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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:07 AM Dec 2016

Change in the Arctic this year was unlike any ever seen before, scientists say

Source: Alaska Dispatch News

Change in the Arctic this year was unlike any ever seen before, scientists say

Author: Yereth Rosen
Updated: 12 hours ago
Published 13 hours ago

The meltdown at the top of the world proceeded at an unprecedented clip over the past year, a sweeping scientific report said Tuesday. ... The annual Arctic Report Card,* presented by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration at the American Geophysical Union** conference in San Francisco, documented rapid changes in the region in 2016, including several records.

Air and sea-surface temperatures are higher, sea ice*** is sparser and more fragile and ocean waters are absorbing more carbon, changing their chemistry to more acidic levels, while warming tundra is now expelling more carbon that it is drawing in from the atmosphere.

"We've seen a year in 2016 in the Arctic like we've never seen before," Jeremy Mathis, director of NOAA's Arctic research program and one of the editors of the document, said at a news conference. "The report card this year clearly shows a stronger and more pronounced signal of persistent warming than in any previous year in our observational record."

The Arctic Report Card is an annual, peer-reviewed summary that has been issued by NOAA since 2006. This year's report gathers information from 61 scientists across 11 nations.

* http://arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card

** http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2016/welcome/

*** http://nsidc.org/

Read more: https://www.adn.com/arctic/2016/12/13/change-in-the-arctic-this-year-was-unlike-any-ever-before-scientists-say/



Hat tip, the Newseum, in DC. They put front pages of newspapers from around the country on display on the side of the building facing Pennsylvania Avenue. On mornings when I take a commuter bus from the Pentagon into downtown DC, like this morning, I look at the front pages.
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Change in the Arctic this year was unlike any ever seen before, scientists say (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 OP
Ice volume... 4139 Dec 2016 #1
This stuff is irreversible. With this 'smart person' at the helm it will have planetary mpcamb Dec 2016 #7
it isn't pretty today, with starving polar bears on land hitting the garbage dumps to survive Sunlei Dec 2016 #9
This stuff is irreversible, period. GliderGuider Dec 2016 #11
Welcome back, GliderGuider!! It has been awhile. StevieM Dec 2016 #13
And what about... GliderGuider Dec 2016 #16
It scares me when your replies are thoughtful and intelligent. StevieM Dec 2016 #17
200 years is a long way out GliderGuider Dec 2016 #18
This stuff is irreversible, period. "The consequences have been planetary since the 1970s." mpcamb Dec 2016 #22
As I wrote above, I am waiting for the geo-engineering fairy to come save us. StevieM Dec 2016 #23
This year's Arctic Report Card ronnie624 Dec 2016 #2
they ALL know it is real KT2000 Dec 2016 #15
artic ice melt Elmergantry Dec 2016 #3
Arctic sea ice still has a notable effect on the albedo muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 #10
Yeah, but Santa's elves have to tread water now. tclambert Dec 2016 #14
The Republicans probably want this to happen greymattermom Dec 2016 #4
Bingo. I saw something on 60 minutes a while back and it made it clear to me that the Dream Girl Dec 2016 #6
Did you hear Kanye West went to Trump Tower? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #5
the hot air emanating from trump tower... dhill926 Dec 2016 #8
The GOP will fire all of them and burn their reports in one month ffr Dec 2016 #12
The human race could have colonized the galaxy resistance2016 Dec 2016 #19
Welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Dec 2016 #20
Just wait till the permafrost melts releasing it's methane and CO2. briv1016 Dec 2016 #21

4139

(1,893 posts)
1. Ice volume...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:55 AM
Dec 2016

"November 2016 sea ice volume was 7,800 km3 , about 2500 km3 below the 2015 value and the lowest for any November on record exceeding the prior record set in 2012 by about 400 km3...."
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
7. This stuff is irreversible. With this 'smart person' at the helm it will have planetary
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:01 PM
Dec 2016

consequences and they won't be pretty.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. it isn't pretty today, with starving polar bears on land hitting the garbage dumps to survive
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:11 PM
Dec 2016

killing the dogs people chain up outside.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
11. This stuff is irreversible, period.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:30 PM
Dec 2016

It doesn't matter who's at the helm. Even Bernie or Hillary couldn't have held back climate change any more than Canute could hold back the tides. The consequences have been planetary since the 1970s.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
13. Welcome back, GliderGuider!! It has been awhile.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

It is good to see you back on DU.

Why do you say that it is irreversible? If we can dramatically reduce carbon emissions, and use geo-engineering to suck up previous emissions, then wouldn't the ice come back?

I realize that you don't think any of this is possible, but if it could be done then I think the ice levels would return to normal.

The good thing about Donald Trump's imminent disaster of a presidency is that people are going to witness the exposure of many GOP lies. That should help us reach them in the future.

I have high hopes for future President Elizabeth Warren.

I know you don't believe that anything can be done to save us. But maybe good leadership can turn a game-over scenario into merely an epic catastrophe.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. And what about...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:35 PM
Dec 2016

1. Soil, fresh water and resource depletion? All these can be mitigated for a while by the increasing use of fossil fuels, during which time the depletion increases and the side effects of the waste products (including CO2) multiply.

2. The unfolding 6th Mass Extinction Event and overpopulation? These two are intrinsically related due to habitat destruction by the expanding human population.

3. The psychological workings of the human being (especially status-seeking and comfort-seeking), leading to the growth imperative, leading to debt-based financial systems? This is where politicians of all shapes, sizes and stripes come from, along with advertising agencies, lines of credit and smart phones.

There are far more, but the litany of doom gets boring at this point. These are enough to make my point.

These are all interconnected in a myriad of ways, and are all variously global in scope. Trying to solve one tends to make others worse. We don't have an Arctic ice problem, we have a global human-systems problem.

Do you think these things can be addressed through the institutions which created them, in the short amount of time left to address them, with margins for money and energy and resources now razor thin, by people whose minds were formed inside of the system of modern techno-industrial-financial civilization, with all the family and cultural beliefs and assumptions which trip them up at every turn?

The only way out of the vast, multi-dimensional trap we've inadvertently built for ourselves is through a reset of global human activity to a very low level for a very long time. There isn't a politician in the world who would facilitate that, so we're fucked. We can't avoid it, even with President Warren. It will happen no matter who the Americans put in charge.

On edit: But thanks for the welcome back!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
17. It scares me when your replies are thoughtful and intelligent.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:12 PM
Dec 2016

It makes the problem seem even more dire than I already know it to be.

I guess I am hoping for a few things to go very right. First, I am waiting for the geo-engineering fairy to come save us. Second, I am hoping that the price of renewable energy falls so much that it makes financial sense to use it for electricity, heat and manufacturing. Third, I am hoping for flow battery cars that are more desirable to many consumers.

I realize that this may all be too much to hope for.

What do you think the planet will look like in 200 years?

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
18. 200 years is a long way out
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:53 PM
Dec 2016

However, if my view of the implications of today's events is correct, a good bet would be on a world 10 degrees Celsius warmer on average (similar to the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum 55 million years ago), with no ice-caps at either pole, enormous long-lasting cyclonic storms, very few species of large animals above the size of cats, oceans clogged with jellyfish, and no humans.

Either that or the world may be starting to revert to anoxic, sulphidic Canfield oceans. If you want to lose some sleep, try reading paleontologist Peter Ward's book "Under a Green Sky".

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
22. This stuff is irreversible, period. "The consequences have been planetary since the 1970s."
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

I think like that at times, other times I don't.
Consequences that began being noticed in the 1970s were the results of unprecedented use of gasoline vehicles, coal and the dregs of the industrial revolution in this country. Solar and wind looked like a pipe dream then. It hasn't come into its own by any means, but it's making a dent. With the right leadership and political will the slide toward planetary doom would be slower; maybe reversible, maybe not. Given the in-coming regime it looks grim. Maybe we're just a bad species for this planet. Dunno.

At my better moments, I cling to hope.
Hell, I got kids. I want this to come out right.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
23. As I wrote above, I am waiting for the geo-engineering fairy to come save us.
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:30 AM
Dec 2016

I am not always terribly optimistic. And I am kind of glad that I don't have children. But I worry about the world that my nephews and nieces will inherit.

Maybe Donald Trump will do such a terrible job that the people will elect a Democrat in 2020 by a nationwide landslide, along with a huge Democratic majority in Congress. That might give him or her a mandate to make huge changes.

Here is a question for you: you say that you have kids. Do you still want grandkids? Is there a part of you that would rather not have grandchildren trying to navigate their way on this troubled planet?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
2. This year's Arctic Report Card
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016
comes amid new threats to climate science.
The incoming U.S. president, Donald Trump, has declared his opinion that climate change is a hoax, and has selected Cabinet members of similar mind.


This is the biggest threat of all, from the incoming gaggle of anti-intellectuals.

KT2000

(20,576 posts)
15. they ALL know it is real
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:12 PM
Dec 2016

the hoax meme is the stall to allow the corporations to cash in before everything goes to hell.
Believe me, no one except the dunderheads who voted for trump actually believe climate change is not real.
These are the same tactics that have been used successfully by corporations to protect toxic chemicals, tobacco etc.

It has already been factored into business plans and our military.
http://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/star/documents/meetings/Ice2015/dayTwo/9_White_J_dayTwo.pdf

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
10. Arctic sea ice still has a notable effect on the albedo
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:19 PM
Dec 2016

Reflective white ice being replaced with dark water absorbs more heat. And the adjacent Greenland ice cap can raise sea levels.

Plus the Antarctic sea ice is also now unlike any year seen before:



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
14. Yeah, but Santa's elves have to tread water now.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:22 PM
Dec 2016

Santa and Superman may have to move their secret headquarters to the South Pole.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
4. The Republicans probably want this to happen
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:43 PM
Dec 2016

because it will open the arctic sea channels to oil tankers. Right?

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
6. Bingo. I saw something on 60 minutes a while back and it made it clear to me that the
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:50 PM
Dec 2016

Access to Arctic spoils (tanker access, drilling rights, etc.) would be at the top of Putins wish list. My fervent hope is that there is a sudden and unexpected energy breakthrough that will render fossil fuel obsolete

ffr

(22,669 posts)
12. The GOP will fire all of them and burn their reports in one month
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

Meanwhile we melt the climate because enough people are brainwashed into believing fiction.

 

resistance2016

(86 posts)
19. The human race could have colonized the galaxy
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:05 PM
Dec 2016

Instead, it chose to kill every other living thing in the room and then shoot itself in the head.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
21. Just wait till the permafrost melts releasing it's methane and CO2.
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 04:48 AM
Dec 2016

We haven't seen nothing yet. (Sorry for the double negative)

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