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jpak

(41,757 posts)
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 01:40 PM Dec 2016

Boy, 3, out shopping with grandma dies in road rage shooting

Source: Yahoo News

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — A 3-year-old boy being taken on a shopping trip by his grandmother was killed in a road rage shooting when a driver opened fire on the grandmother's car because he thought she "wasn't moving fast enough at a stop sign," police said.

The boy and his grandmother were at the stop sign in southwest Little Rock on Saturday evening when a driver apparently angry about the delay stepped out of his car and opened fire, police said. The boy was struck by gunfire at least once, they said.

The grandmother, who wasn't struck, drove away and called police from a shopping center.

Police arrived at the shopping center and found the boy in the car outside a JCPenney department store. The boy was taken to a hospital, where he died shortly after, becoming the second young child shot dead in a road rage incident in the city in the last few weeks.

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Boy, 3, out shopping with grandma dies in road rage shooting (Original Post) jpak Dec 2016 OP
More guns would clearly have solved this problem La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #1
Stupid Grandma should have been packing heat. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #17
no, really the baby should have also. everyone should be packing heat as it were. nt La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #23
There are guns small enough for a small child to use. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #24
My god, PatSeg Dec 2016 #2
Starting? mdbl Dec 2016 #41
Yeah, it has felt like that for PatSeg Dec 2016 #45
yay guns! KG Dec 2016 #3
I can hear gun nuts now: JDC Dec 2016 #4
And grandmas. Vinca Dec 2016 #5
hope the perp finds out things are really s-l-o-w in prison dembotoz Dec 2016 #6
Rest In Peace, precious child. democrank Dec 2016 #7
I mistakenly went to the comments for this story yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #8
Trump's finest jpak Dec 2016 #10
I shudder at all the hate in this country LeftInTX Dec 2016 #12
hate is what repuglicans used to gain power mdbl Dec 2016 #42
I've discovered when you look at comments for a Yahoo story, raccoon Dec 2016 #33
It's astonishing how blantant it is yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #36
Agressive Behavior on our Streets and Highways is Ramping Up McKim Dec 2016 #9
A couple days ago I am driving around the mall on the inside perimeter doc03 Dec 2016 #15
Greedy people never have enough and worry that just as straight, white males are losing mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #19
I'm a straight white male ... AlanAdam Dec 2016 #29
I also think that's part of it. Ilsa Dec 2016 #30
Anger is an addictive emotion. And FOX and Rush fuel it. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #38
Thanks for posting that. nt raccoon Dec 2016 #43
They're angry that too many black/brwon people are in the US - you know the Trumpsters... iluvtennis Dec 2016 #40
Aye, I have also noticed that they often have a Trump/Pence sticker cstanleytech Dec 2016 #20
The guy I grew up with that sold his buisiness for $5 million also has received doc03 Dec 2016 #37
Heck one of them sped past me over double yellow lines on a 35 mph road the other day and I was cstanleytech Dec 2016 #39
I've got handicapped plates for this reason LeftInTX Dec 2016 #11
"Personal Responsibility" is overstated. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #13
Since the election I've thought of getting a CCW permit. 47of74 Dec 2016 #14
Before doing anything, IronLionZion Dec 2016 #32
You don't need a gun on a walk because of dogs: carry yummy treats and throw them mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #22
If only granny was packing heat, I mean the kid would have still died Rex Dec 2016 #16
I certainly hope they can catch that POS!! C Moon Dec 2016 #18
Sadly they probably wont catch the coward. nt cstanleytech Dec 2016 #21
Isn't it great how guns keep us safe? FairWinds Dec 2016 #25
Don't worry! They'll catch the perp! WhiteTara Dec 2016 #26
Or they'll just find another black dude and punish him. Dave Starsky Dec 2016 #34
This could be quite true WhiteTara Dec 2016 #35
oh my god Afromania Dec 2016 #27
Is that against the law in Arkansas? olddad56 Dec 2016 #28
You're supposed to move zero at a stop sign. ileus Dec 2016 #31
Yeah, But. . . ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #44
Reading some of the comments. Turbineguy Dec 2016 #46

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
17. Stupid Grandma should have been packing heat.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 03:08 PM
Dec 2016

How irresponsible for her to not have, at the very least, a sawed-off 12-gauge on hand. That would have shut down the situation before it could get out of hand.

Caregivers with small children should learn from this. When buckling the kids in their safety seats, also make sure that your guns are in the car and that you have rounds chambered in all of them. We're talking basic safety here, people. Use your common sense!

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
24. There are guns small enough for a small child to use.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

No reason why a properly supervised baby shouldn't strap on an iron and be ready for action. The carelessness in this situation is just unbelievable.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
41. Starting?
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:44 AM
Dec 2016

We've been in an armed madhouse for decades and now Bif Tannen was elected president.

PatSeg

(47,368 posts)
45. Yeah, it has felt like that for
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 10:26 AM
Dec 2016

quite awhile, but I never foresaw Trump as president. If this was a movie, it would be too far-fetched to even be considered satire.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. I mistakenly went to the comments for this story
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:03 PM
Dec 2016

Obamas fault, AP actually said black guy did it. White people's fault because they are driving blacks crazy. That's just the first 10 of 3000 comments. I couldn't go further.


I need to bathe.

raccoon

(31,107 posts)
33. I've discovered when you look at comments for a Yahoo story,
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 07:37 PM
Dec 2016

it doesn't take any time for the racists to come out from under the rocks.
I suspect it's that way with lots of comments.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
9. Agressive Behavior on our Streets and Highways is Ramping Up
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:08 PM
Dec 2016

I have noticed an uptick in honking, tailgating, taking an illegal right of way at four way stops, running red lights, and other aggressive behaviors when out driving even in polite Portland, Oregon. People are angry and they are getting more and more aggressive. I guess the new meme is "We don't need no stinking laws!".

doc03

(35,324 posts)
15. A couple days ago I am driving around the mall on the inside perimeter
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:52 PM
Dec 2016

road. I see a guy pulling out of an end parking space going to same direction as me I come to a stop and let him to pull out, as a courtesy. He makes a U-turn right in front of me and is heading in the opposite direction. I don't know what sets him off I see his mouth going F'n me for something. I just threw my hands up and shrugged my shoulders motioning that I didn't know what pissed him off. His mouth is still going and he starts running his window down. I just smiled, waved and drove off. There is a case right there where if another nut job had met him and was armed someone could have been shot. I still have no clue why he was pissed off.
I just don't get why everyone is so angry. A guy I grew up with was going on about how things are going to change when Trump gets in. I said I could not vote for anyone that Putin helped get elected. He says you believe that shit, I said the FBI and the CIA does and Newsweek broke the story weeks ago. He tells me he doesn't believe anything the government or the Communist media says. He said you hear that bullshit on MSNBC and CNN (the Clinton News Network) he said they should call CNN (Communist Clinton News Network). I said well Putin didn't support Hillary Clinton. The thing I don't get is the guy is pissed off at the world he had a good business he sold for I heard $5 million, a beautiful home, his daughter has a good job working for an airline and lives in Colorado, his son has a good job and just built a big McMansion next to him. WHAT THE F--- IS ARE THEY PISSED OFF ABOUT.

mnhtnbb

(31,381 posts)
19. Greedy people never have enough and worry that just as straight, white males are losing
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:09 PM
Dec 2016

the ability to control everything and everyone all the time, they fear losing all their material stuff, too.

That's why they are pissed. They live in fear of losing power, control, and things.

AlanAdam

(87 posts)
29. I'm a straight white male ...
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 06:29 PM
Dec 2016

But I'm pretty sure I don't control everyone and everything. In fact, in fact, I don't even have control of anything in my own house, where my Chinese wife holds sway.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
30. I also think that's part of it.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 06:41 PM
Dec 2016

Even though the Black guy is leaving Pennsylvania Ave, and a old orange peel-faced white guy is coming in, they sense the end of the White Man Rule era.

The rest of it is, " PEOTUS is a vulgar, bigotted asshole. I can openly be one too."

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
38. Anger is an addictive emotion. And FOX and Rush fuel it.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 10:25 PM
Dec 2016
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culture-shrink/201508/angers-allure-are-you-addicted-anger

1. Human neurobiology rewards anger.


Part of the issue is that in the moment anger feels good, feels like the thing to do. It overrides all other moral and rational brakes in the brain because it originates from our primordial, original limbic system: the brain center of our most automatic emotions like fear and desire. The limbic system has the most direct links to our fight-or-flight response system, and that includes control over adrenaline rushes, alertness, and other instincts that prime you for battle or rapid escape.


2. Anger is similar to other addictions.


What happens is that anger can lead to similar “rushes” as thrill-seeking activities where danger triggers dopamine reward receptors in the brain, or like other forms of addiction such as gambling, extreme sports, even drugs like cocaine and methamphetamines. Anger can become its own reward, but like other addictions, the final consequences are dangerous and real, and people follow impulses in the moment without regard to the big picture.


3. Anger boosts ego fragility.


There is also the psychological aspect of ego fragility and injury, often seen in narcissistic personalities; the rush behind anger can be triggered by underlying feelings of weakness or insecurity, a way to feel powerful in the moment and overcome those feelings. It also helps people feel briefly in control of things they typically have no control over. Unfortunately, the aftermath reinforces negative consequences that hurt you in the eyes of others, and continues the cycle of insecurity. It becomes a vicious cycle of tantrums and punishment that ultimately hurt the angry individual.


4. Anger may be familiar/comfortable and also a method of emotional avoidance.


Unfortunately for some people who are raised in continuously chaotic environments, the uncertainty and volatility of anger might become perversely comfortable, might help distract from or escape underlying uncomfortable feelings of emptiness or fear. The rush of drama and conflict feels familiar and produces a destructive intimacy that some might prefer than to confront other darker emotions like loss or grief or more. Aside from traumatic family environments, combat veterans are also at risk of similar addiction, as they remain in high-threat situations for long and repeated periods of time.


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iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
40. They're angry that too many black/brwon people are in the US - you know the Trumpsters...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:52 AM
Dec 2016

...say the US is theirs and everyone who doesn't look like them needs to leave.

doc03

(35,324 posts)
37. The guy I grew up with that sold his buisiness for $5 million also has received
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 09:54 PM
Dec 2016

a disability from the VA since Vietnam for hearing damage (he doesn't have a hearing aid or seem to have any trouble hearing).
I on the other hand have hearing damage from working 40 years in a steel mill and don't get an f---g penny. Yes he had a 2'x 4'
Trump sign in his yard along with 4 other of the smaller ones. He sold drilling rights for his 10 acre yard for $100000 and bitches about paying tax on it, if I had his life I would be so happy I couldn't stand it. This guy is miserable.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
39. Heck one of them sped past me over double yellow lines on a 35 mph road the other day and I was
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 11:26 PM
Dec 2016

doing the dang speed limit and its a very twisty and very busy road which is why its marked no passing *shakes head*

LeftInTX

(25,219 posts)
11. I've got handicapped plates for this reason
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:23 PM
Dec 2016

I used to have a temporary plaque that I could hang on my rearview. I'm a slow driver, was getting lots of honks and cut offs and was concerned about road rage. The plates have made a difference.

(I'm saying this for those who have the option of plates versus the hand tag. I don't know if it would have made a difference in this case)

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
13. "Personal Responsibility" is overstated.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:35 PM
Dec 2016

One thing my job and life have taught me is people are impulsive.

It's rare for people tp truly think about the consequences of their actions before acting.

People have sex without protection and unwanted children or HIV change things for the rest of their lives.

People shoot up with a shared needle and then die of liver failure due to Hep C.

People get pissed and quit a good job with benefits and then wind up working at substandard wages at another job till they are 70.

People start shooting and spend the rest of their lives in jail.

That's why I think that the whole allowing people to carry a gun anywhere is such a bad idea. I mean somebody makes deliveries in a bad part of town, maybe they should be armed. They carry a lot of money something like that.

But too many people carry guns BECAUSE THEY CAN, and there is a potential for something like this or even a tragic accident.

Where I live I know a lot of people who carry guns, most don't really need them. Now my one neighbor always carries one on a walk and I understand because twice he has been attacked by dogs and even had to have surgery on his hand, but
most carry them for the same reason people have confederate flags. Sort of a redneck fuck you to people who don't think people should carry them.

I have lots of guns, but i never carry one because I feel safe. I have trouble carrying a watch without losing it. Most people are like me there's no reason they should carry one but they do. Then they lose their temper and their bad decision ruins their and other peoples lives.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
14. Since the election I've thought of getting a CCW permit.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:51 PM
Dec 2016

Thought, mind you. That's all. Even if I got one I still might not actually get a gun, but just have the permit to make it easier to obtain a weapon if things got that bad.

LGBT, minorities, etc - I could not fault any of them for buying weapons with all the hate crimes the Branch Trumpvidians are pulling off these days.

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
32. Before doing anything,
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 07:24 PM
Dec 2016

first consider whether DUers who know nothing about you or your situation would find fault.

JK

Concealed carry makes a lot of sense. Open carry is just plain stupid and has already caused problems in mass shooter situations where cops didn't know who was the shooter. Also in situations where an open carry person and a concealed carry person had a misunderstanding that resulted in shooting, the concealed carry person won.

I don't own any guns or a permit. But if I needed to protect myself or loved ones from a racist Trumper/klansman, I would most definitely ignore the opinions of judgmental DUers.

mnhtnbb

(31,381 posts)
22. You don't need a gun on a walk because of dogs: carry yummy treats and throw them
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 04:14 PM
Dec 2016

away from yourself to any dogs that might bother you. They stop to scrounge the treats while
you walk away.

All these guns in the hands of idiots who don't know how to handle a tense situation or talk someone down from an aggressive behavior really bothers me.
It's one of the reasons I want to move out of North Carolina--which is an open carry state--because there are way too
many people with guns who have no business having guns.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. If only granny was packing heat, I mean the kid would have still died
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

but maybe she could have got the SOB child murderer! All things can be solved by the end of the barrel of a gun, yes indeed.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
25. Isn't it great how guns keep us safe?
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Dec 2016

NOT

The Reich and NRA have turned this country into a shooting gallery,
and we are the targets.

WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
26. Don't worry! They'll catch the perp!
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 05:39 PM
Dec 2016

He's black and therefore will see the full brunt of the justice of Arkansas.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
34. Or they'll just find another black dude and punish him.
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 07:41 PM
Dec 2016

The wheels of justice move swiftly but surely in the South.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
28. Is that against the law in Arkansas?
Sun Dec 18, 2016, 06:14 PM
Dec 2016

Wasn't the shooter just standing his ground against the dangerous little boy and his grandma?

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
44. Yeah, But. . .
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:18 AM
Dec 2016

. . .that's just what the law says
I see people inching up to my bumper because i actually stop at a stop sign all the time.

Last Friday on the way home, i got flipped off by a guy because i was doing 52 in a 55 ON A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY! There was zero impediment to him just going around me. Somehow, having to change lanes with no chance of oncoming traffic was so inconvenient that it pissed him off.

Go figure.

Turbineguy

(37,312 posts)
46. Reading some of the comments.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 12:07 PM
Dec 2016

Not that I recommend it.

Do these people wallow in hate or are they only venting? I think these random shootings are going to become far more common. What's going to happen to all these armed Trump supporters should they figure out they've been hoodwinked and manipulated for years?

Amazing how quickly and "older black Chevrolet Impala" became a black driver/shooter.

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