It's official: Clinton swamps Trump in popular vote

[forgotmylogin]

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Source: CNN

More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.

Though the legitimacy of his victory has never come into serious doubt, Trump has repeatedly argued, usually via Twitter, that he would have won the popular vote, too, if that had been his focus.

"I would have done even better in the election, if that is possible, if the winner was based on popular vote -- but would campaign differently," he tweeted as recently as Wednesday morning, more than six weeks after the election. In late November, Trump also falsely claimed that "millions" of Clinton voters had cast ballots "illegally."

Trump's victories in swing states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida -- all carried by Obama four years ago -- gave him a comfortable edge in the Electoral College. Still, Trump's claims of a "massive landslide victory" are belied by past statistics, which place his win among the narrowest.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count/index.html

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Can't wait for this Twitter meltdown. The video starts "Donald trump is falsely claiming he only lost the popular vote because millions voted illegally..."

[Ohioblue22]

1. It officially doesn't matter cause of the e.c.

People should quit it with this

[forgotmylogin]

2. Agreed, this article is old news to us, but...

Having it reported by big media in this way might hit some people's radar that didn't realize before.

It's a nice festering thorn in Trump's side, and it chips away at his fragile demeanor and keeps him distracted from doing actual damage.

[DK504]

4. Is it going to be covered

by the M$M? His spin machine is unreal and we still are not fighting, except online.

[forgotmylogin]

5. Maybe I'm wrong...

I don't think you can get more mainstream than CNN. Unless you've sworn off them I guess.

Unless you mean regional/local news. Hopefully they'll just parrot CNN.

[BlueCaliDem]

3. It matters because over half of Trump supporters actually believe that he won the popular vote.

And he fucking didn't.

[RiverStone]

21. Trump supporters will never see the truth...until it effects their $$$

Call it mass hysteria. They drank the Kool-Aid.

[Ohioblue22]

26. They aren't gonna believe you anyway. It's distraction they dont care

They will call it fake news or it's because of 3million illegal voters.

[niyad]

6. yes, it matters. people need to know the truth, and to know that the antiquated system of

the electoral college screwed us, not once, but twice in the last 16 years.

that, and the fact that the pukes and trumpensteins believe he actually won the popular vote as well.

so yes, it damn well matters.

[Ohioblue22]

23. No dems not voting for hillary is what screwed us

Dems voting for stein or Johnson they screwed us

[Abouttime]

14. We need to hammer this!

tRump is an illegitimate president and by constantly reminding the general public of this and the Russian interference with our election we can hound tRump until he is removed from office.

[LanternWaste]

19. you should instruct many, many authors of American historicity and political history to stop writing

If the Popular Vote is irrelevant, then maybe you should instruct many, many peer-reviewed authors of American history and political history to immediately stop including it in the historical record.

Let us know how that goes should you decide to apply your judgement of what officially matters and what doesn't consistently.

[Ohioblue22]

22. It is irrelevant and including it in many many peer-reviewed

Històric and political history articles doesn't make it so. When we start conducting elections this way it will be relevant but we don't and so it isn't.

[tosh]

24. It matters because there is

NO MANDATE for their side.

[Ohioblue22]

25. And that will stop them? Do you think they care ? George aWol

Deserter claimed a mandate and get didn't have one either .

[Achilleaze]

7. Russkie-Republican regime deemed ILLEGITIMATE

By every honorable person on the planet.

[central scrutinizer]

8. No mandate

There are just over 200,000,000 registered voters in the US. Trump's total is about 31% and Hillary's was about 33%.

[Thor_MN]

16. You should look up the definition of mandate.

He has a mandate, but that does not mean anything other that he gained authority over the US. By perhaps the smallest margin ever considering his overwhelming loss in the popular vote.

He only has the right to claim that more people voted against him then for him. He has no right to claim landslide, he sqeaked in with the barest of margins.

[Botany]

9. Up to 7.2 million voters did not have their votes counted too.

http://www.gregpalast.com/ethnic-votes-stolen-crucial-states-help-fix-us-election-trump-reveals-greg-palast/

Crosscheck had amassed a list of 7.2 million voters accused of being potential double voters.

And over a million voters in Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and PA were targeted by cross check.

[Bayard]

13. Wow

Thanks for this, Botany. Hard evidence that the election was indeed stolen. And will not see the light of day by most people.

[Botany]

15. Cross Check targeted blacks, hispanics, and muslims

Can you think of the shit storm we would have if we ran a program like
Cross Check that targeted upper income white men over 45 who are
registered republicans because we can't be sure that they are voting
twice.

" And (it) will not see the light of day by most people."

[TexasBushwhacker]

10. Actually, the first paragraph underplays her PV win

She didn't just win more votes than any other losing candidate. She won more than all the winners except Obama and she's less than 100K behind his 2012 total.

But this exposes another weakness of the electoral college. A state gets all of its EVs regardless of its voter turnout. Texas can have an awful voter turnout and New York can have a great voter turnout. Texas will still get 9 more EVs than NY. The winner take all rules in most states discourage voting by the less popular party. Why should a Republican bother voting in California or a Democrat in Texas. I'll admit, the only thing that got me to the polls in November were the down ballot races.

[forgotmylogin]

11. The article has graphs showing this

And I agree. A hypothetical voter turnout of 10 in one of the big states could award far more EC votes than real votes.

Hey, perhaps that should be the reform: Every state has potentially 100 EC votes, but the number of EC awarded to the winner of that state is the percent of eligible voter turnout. That could serve to negate the effects of voter suppression.

So if you have 12% voter turnout in Michigan and it goes for Trump, then he receives 12 EC votes from the state. If NY has 19% turnout, they get 19 EC votes.

This along with the reform that Election Day is now Election Week, and people can vote in normal polling places, as well as their City Hall/Courthouse and at least one post office in their zip code.

[TexasBushwhacker]

17. Well the 100 potential EVs per state wouldn't work

Because then, hypothetically, Wyoming could get 100 EVs with 100% voter turnout and California would only get 50 EVs with a 50% voter turnout, even though CA's 50% is many times more votes.

They could take away the 2 EVs per state that are because of the senators, but it would still be inequitable. Winner take all still effectively says the minority party voters don't matter, and that's just not right.

They can try a million different workarounds, but nothing is really fair other than one person, one vote, without winner take all.

[forgotmylogin]

18. I'm still curious

What is the highest state voter turnout that's ever happened?

[spooky3]

20. That's a good point that I haven't seen made before.

Thanks!

[Sunlei]

12. after primary, in Texas, I got the "Crosscheck" post card.Rs must have excluded 7 million votes.

I ignored the post card and when I went to vote, I had to verify my home address and was able to regular vote. I've voted in past 3 elections at the same location.

http://www.gregpalast.com/ethnic-votes-stolen-crucial-states-help-fix-us-election-trump-reveals-greg-palast/

[OKNancy]

27. Duplicate topic - Locking

earlier thread posted yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141645941