Think tank with ties to Trump says 'religious freedom' means no LGBT protections
Source: LGBTQ Nation
By Jeff Taylor · Thursday, February 16, 2017
Conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation played a key role in the Trump transition team and are out with a new report offering their far right perspective on religious freedom laws that should concern all LGBTQ rights advocates.
The argument between the far right and more moderate conservatives lies in whether creating religious exemptions to nondiscrimination law is sufficient or if offering any protections for LGBTQ people is a step too far. The Heritage Foundation takes the view that to provide protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity are unjustified.
Current proposals to create new LGBT protections with varying types of religious exemptions will not result in fairness for all. Instead, they will penalize many Americans who believe that we are created male and female and that male and female are created for each other, the report, titled [link:http://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/report/how-think-about-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-sogi-policies-andHow to Think About Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity (SOGI) Policies and Religious Freedom.]
The report goes on to claim that the burden is on their proponents to prove the need for such laws and that so far proponents have failed to carry their burden on all counts.
Read more: http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/02/think-tank-ties-trump-says-religious-freedom-means-no-lgbt-protections/
randr
(12,417 posts)reasons violates the separation of church and state as clear as day. They would be siding with one group over another based on a belief system.
mpcamb
(2,878 posts)Not that there's not a real issue involved, but I think it's to distract and make people piss away a lot of energy and then land back on square one.
I think it's strategic, and there's something else they want to slip past the public while people are up in arms about this.
No way to prove it, but watch out for the next horrible thing they propose.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Freethinker65
(10,070 posts)And displayed at the entryway of businesses. And put on license plates. And displayed in residential windows.
I would also like to see what religion they profess to belong to along with a checklist of who/what they choose to discriminate against. Then I will be free to exercise my own non-religion discrimination accordingly.
unblock
(52,387 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Religion is chosen rather than genetic. So... no; a more accurate analogy would be the sign reading "this is a smoking establishment"
unblock
(52,387 posts)the way some "christian" businesses once said "whites only"?
starshine00
(531 posts)because I sure as hell don't want to be their patron if they are against my existence
unblock
(52,387 posts)but i don't want to bring back the 1950s....
starshine00
(531 posts)you are right about that, sadly, I can see 'no queers' signs everywhere if they had their way.
essentially, this is what the confederate flag means in the south. they can't openly block people but they can make people feel unsafe and go elsewhere if they see one hanging in a store.
Freethinker65
(10,070 posts)I want to know what religion these religious freedom discriminators profess to belong to. I want them to be exposed as hypocrites and shunned. I have lived ok without religion, but tolerant of others, for decades.
unblock
(52,387 posts)what logical contortions they have to go through to then say, alone among the many sins they say exist, they can't even serve cakes to someone who has had the gay sex.
ridiculous!
these people surely serve cakes to murderers, rapists, adulterers, blasphemers, people who have violated each of the ten commandments, etc.
that's ok, after all, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, and besides, none of us are without sin, and there would be no business if you could only serve the pure.
but teh gay sex, no, that's something else entirely!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Most gays, especially those in a stable relationship, and super-especially those married, are concerned about the mortgage, healthcare, the environment, putting gas in the car, office politics, planning grocery shopping around meals, mopping up the floor where the dog had an accident, deciding whether to reroof the house this year or next, monitoring their weight, downloading music from an online seller, binging on Big Bang Theory, unstacking the dish washer, ...
It's almost as if Republicons want gays and lesbians to have uncommitted wild sex. Especially if they can watch lesbians streamed over the internet.
unblock
(52,387 posts)i know, i know. in truth, it's all about hate. gay people want marriage, therefore haters gotta say no.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)with their own sexuality would give a rat's ass about who is fucking whom, assuming that consenting adults are involved.
Every single one of these clowns who crusade against the gays eventually turns out to have secret proclivities of their own--all too often involving minors, unfortunately.
starshine00
(531 posts)oh wait, pedophilia is a holy sacrament of the religionists...
gay texan
(2,478 posts)What is it with these people? I'm a guy. I find guys really attractive, so muc that i'd like to have a boyfriend/husband.
Yet you bible thumping fuckwits deem it necessary to hound me at my pride parades, strip away my rights, possibly fuck me out of employment all because a desert fairytale says we are an abomination of some form.
Seriously, fuck off.....
we are the bad ones, yet incest, child rape, child genital mutilation, domestic violence, corporal punishment of children, etc etc etc are all sacraments. So tired of this b.s.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)If it is against my religion but you protect it, you have violated my religious freedom. It's dumb. And every time we hear it, the only response that should be made is this: that is a stupid fucking argument.
Things (including my hope) are in a rapid free-fall.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)"The same circular fucking arguments" Republican propagandas a multi-billion dollar industry these days.
Just think what America could be if those billions were spent for the public GOOD by these scam foundations.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)Think of the work we could do for children in poverty and to prevent unwanted pregnancy with all of the money the anti- choice crazies have spent trying to deny freedom.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)year for some 'closed door' meetings. They meddle in peace process for some hidden agenda. These Foundations are POLITICAL groups for ONLY the RW agenda.
I don't understand how they get away with paying no taxes and are classed as a charity on IRS. It's a Republican group, they can do anything they want with 'donation millions'.
The shouldn't get away with allowing those donations to be tax deductions on a donors tax returns. They shouldn't be able to get away with not having to pay ANY STATE or FEDERAL taxes.
billions of dollars are washed through those kind of FAKE charities called Foundations, they have a huge payroll and only service Republican party interests.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)how would that work out for them?
Behind the Aegis
(54,013 posts)There are scores of these bills all over the US and most people are unaware they are happening. It is another bone of contention for me, as well. Too many people are "accusing" gays of getting off easy with the new administration because the "president" hasn't attacked us directly; well, this is WHY. Shit like this means HE doesn't have to attack us, his minions will do it.
starshine00
(531 posts)they are not going to overturn Roe v. Wade because that will lose them a huge chunk of one issue voters. They must have figured out to try to screw lgbt folks at the state and local level so that they still have this wedge issue in presidential elections.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)The right to freedom from discrimination means that a person has the right not to be discriminated against. It never gave people the right to discriminate against others due to religious beliefs.
I'm not surprised that Trump buys into this crap though.
starshine00
(531 posts)whatever makes his base more loyal to him he will do probably in the end.
sc1line
(2 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Have to tweet @POTUS immediately so he notices and makes Heritage Foundation finish the transition. He reads every tweet.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)laws apply to them too!
as in "Our religious beliefs include the right to be, be with and marry anyone of any color, creed, gender or sexual orientation." Then let the Xtian fundies claim their "religious rights" are greater than LGBT's religious rights---the fundies won't get too far with that argument.
Of course, it's Trumpworld now...
Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)Nothing but a bunch of haters.