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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:07 PM Feb 2017

Republicans will fail in Obamacare repeal bid: top Senate Democrat

Source: Reuters



27 FEB 2017 AT 14:46 ET

The top Democrat in the U.S. Senate predicted on Monday that Republicans would fall short of their stated goal of repealing former Democratic President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law.

“The odds are very high we will keep ACA,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters at a news conference, referring to the Affordable Care Act, which is commonly known as Obamacare. “It will not be repealed.”

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Republicans will fail in Obamacare repeal bid: top Senate Democrat (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2017 OP
I wonder if Schumer is trying reverse psychology on them to get them to pull the trigger and create cstanleytech Feb 2017 #1
Hope not. Much as I lust for the self-inflicted wound, getting it on moonscape Feb 2017 #2
Oh its a gamble but if it leads to long term losses for the Repugnants the Dems could then perhaps cstanleytech Feb 2017 #4
There is no way we will ever get single payer in the foreseeable future. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #6
Short term thinking is what got us into the problem we are in with the Repugnants in charge cstanleytech Feb 2017 #9
And how many decades did it take to get some sort of health care reform? moonscape Feb 2017 #10
One person's death is too many...some of these posts are horrifying. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #15
No...it is called reality...we might have gotten a public option Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #14
Ya but I am also looking at this another way which is if they don't abolish the ACA like they wanted cstanleytech Feb 2017 #16
It would only help elections if it happened just before. Kablooie Feb 2017 #12
Depends on how badly the Repugnants piss the voters off. cstanleytech Feb 2017 #13
Schumer doesn't want thousands to die so no I don't think so...I can not believe Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #7
Need two more Republicans in the Senate. I think it's doable given recent townhalls..nt Bengus81 Feb 2017 #3
Great. Keep it MontanaMama Feb 2017 #5
If they own it, we need to keep the pressure up to improve it. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #8
What do you expect him to say? "We're boned." briv1016 Feb 2017 #11
and what about the Medicaid funding? 0rganism Feb 2017 #17

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
1. I wonder if Schumer is trying reverse psychology on them to get them to pull the trigger and create
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:10 PM
Feb 2017

a massive self inflicted wound on themselves from which they will have to spend decades recovering from by repealing it now thereby pissing off millions and millions of voters from both parties.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
2. Hope not. Much as I lust for the self-inflicted wound, getting it on
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:17 PM
Feb 2017

the backs of people losing health insurance is too high a price to pay.

If that's Schumer's strategy, then he is affirming it's politics over people.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
4. Oh its a gamble but if it leads to long term losses for the Repugnants the Dems could then perhaps
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

push through a single payer healthcare system instead which would hopefully be even better than Obamacare.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
6. There is no way we will ever get single payer in the foreseeable future.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:52 PM
Feb 2017

And you indifference the suffering such an attempt would cost is appalling. We need to flood Congress with calls and save the ACA and thousands of lives as well...honestly your post is probably one of the most heartless posts I have ever seen.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
9. Short term thinking is what got us into the problem we are in with the Repugnants in charge
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 06:52 PM
Feb 2017

and if we only keep on thinking of the short term gains then we will likely to keep on losing more and more over time.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
10. And how many decades did it take to get some sort of health care reform?
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:41 AM
Feb 2017

You think if there is a backslide that Dems will just swoop in later and all our health care dreams will come true?

How many lives lost is an acceptable sacrifice in the hopes this fantasy will come true? What number is too many? We're talking real people here.

We'll be swooping back in at some point anyway - how about we try to start making progress from where we are now vs allowing an inch of backsliding if we can possibly help it. Hardly short-term thinking.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
14. No...it is called reality...we might have gotten a public option
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 01:31 PM
Feb 2017

had Hillary been elected and we took the Senate and the house two to four years later...but that didn't happen...so we will be lucky to keep what we have...and those who would sentence people to death by supporting ending the ACA are as contemptible as any Republican...ideology before innocent people...now not saying you feel that way...just a general statement. It took over a 100 years to get this Nancy Pelosi sacrificed her majority for its passage...there is no single payer in our future...unless we take everything...and it is going to be tough... Foolish people like Sarandon think...that after a right wing tyrant like Trump...Jesus will return...oh no wait not that...almost as unlikely...the country will elect the perfect liberal candidate...it has never been true...you can look at 92 if you doubt it...where we won the electoral college without a majority and because of a third party candidate who took significant amounts of the vote...Clinton was a centrist because he had to be. We need to keep thinking about winning elections by hook or by crook...and state elections are terribly important. I for one thank God for the ACA which saved my kid's life. Thanks Obama!

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
16. Ya but I am also looking at this another way which is if they don't abolish the ACA like they wanted
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 03:40 PM
Feb 2017

then they will probably use the other tactic of cutting it off at the knees like cutting things like the subsidies and the taxes to choke it to death slowly.
If they do it that way then not as many people will care as it will be a gradual decline and the Repugnants will blame it on the Democrats and alot of people will buy it, if however the Repugnants are stupid enough to just kill the program altogether with almost zero Democrats voting for it not nearly as many voters will buy any attempt by the Repugnants to spin it as being the Democrats fault as they aren't the party with majority control of Congress.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
12. It would only help elections if it happened just before.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:35 AM
Feb 2017

Anything done today, no matter how egregious, will be forgotten by the time elections come around again.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
13. Depends on how badly the Repugnants piss the voters off.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 02:43 AM
Feb 2017

I dont see way though that the Democrats can really stop them if they want to do away with the law and or gut it so the best we can hope for after that is that it causes them enough karma during the midterms that they lose a shit ton of seats.

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
7. Schumer doesn't want thousands to die so no I don't think so...I can not believe
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 05:54 PM
Feb 2017

that some think this is a good idea...truly I am appalled at some of these posts.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
3. Need two more Republicans in the Senate. I think it's doable given recent townhalls..nt
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:21 PM
Feb 2017

More would be that much better. Republicans need to for ONCE listen to the people who put them there.

MontanaMama

(23,314 posts)
5. Great. Keep it
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 04:22 PM
Feb 2017

and better yet, start making noises about making it better, Senator Schumer! You've got voters behind you in that effort and the rethugs have nothing to contribute, as usual. Let them fail at the repeal and then fail to support any attempt to make the ACA a better functioning law. Rethugs love to say that the ACA doesn't work but watch them shoot down any possibility of improving it, once again proving what hypocrites they are.

0rganism

(23,954 posts)
17. and what about the Medicaid funding?
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 03:43 PM
Feb 2017

that's the real vulnerability, that's where the GOP can really cut hard into the ACA to the point where it becomes as lousy as they say it is

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