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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 12:01 PM Mar 2017

Europe WikiLeaks publishes trove purportedly taken from CIA

Source: Washington Post

PARIS — WikiLeaks on Tuesday published thousands of documents purportedly taken from the Central Intelligence Agency’s Center for Cyber Intelligence, a dramatic release that appears to provide an eye-opening look at the intimate details of America’s cyberespionage toolkit.

The dump of more than 8,000 documents could not immediately be authenticated by The Associated Press and the CIA declined comment, but WikiLeaks has a long track record of releasing top secret government documents. Experts who’ve started to sift through the material said it appeared legitimate — and that the release was almost certain to shake the CIA.
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Bob Ayers, a retired U.S. intelligence official currently working as a security analyst, agreed, saying that the release was “real bad” for the agency.

If the authenticity of the dump were officially confirmed, it would represent yet another catastrophic breach for the U.S. intelligence community at the hands of WikiLeaks and its allies, which have repeatedly humbled Washington with the mass release of classified material, including hundreds of thousands of documents from the State Department and the Pentagon.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/wikileaks-publish-1000s-of-what-it-says-are-cia-documents/2017/03/07/532f3a7a-0341-11e7-9d14-9724d48f5666_story.html



Just what we need. More deflection and more 'news' overload.
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Europe WikiLeaks publishes trove purportedly taken from CIA (Original Post) Stonepounder Mar 2017 OP
I never understood why the US didn't turn the screws on Ecuador. Renew Deal Mar 2017 #1
I think that's happening in the background. Nt NWCorona Mar 2017 #15
Trump: 'I love WikiLeaks TomCADem Mar 2017 #2
"nothing secret"? Good, release your Tax Returns Mr. Minority President. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2017 #12
Wikileaks is connected to Russia wordpix Mar 2017 #17
"More deflection" - that's why it was done BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #3
And to discredit the CIA meadowlander Mar 2017 #13
Yup BumRushDaShow Mar 2017 #27
Boom. Beyond amazing. Evil. Missn-Hitch Mar 2017 #34
This is dangerous. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #4
He's not American leftynyc Mar 2017 #7
Assface is my name for Trump. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #8
Whooops - sorry leftynyc Mar 2017 #16
Wikileaks linked to Russia, Assange is Russian agent wordpix Mar 2017 #18
No harm done. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #23
You've described the republican leftynyc Mar 2017 #26
This is the moment. DK504 Mar 2017 #5
This: Turbineguy Mar 2017 #6
I got a $20 says there are no documents included that implicate Dolt 45 ehrnst Mar 2017 #9
Mercifully Assange has like 1% the credibility that he used to Blue_Tires Mar 2017 #10
Is this where Trump got wiretapping information? More_Cowbell Mar 2017 #11
Assange will release NO compromising material on Drumpf. That much is certain. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2017 #20
This is indeed catastrophic Duppers Mar 2017 #14
Unlike Pres. O who placed sanctions on Russia for hacking, Trumputin will welcome more wordpix Mar 2017 #19
Lots of stuff in that dump. xor Mar 2017 #21
I find stuff like this odd xor Mar 2017 #22
Refers to this Occulus Mar 2017 #24
Yeah, I saw that. xor Mar 2017 #28
At which point we enter an infinite loop Occulus Mar 2017 #30
So Trump asks his Russian buddies for help... yet again... Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #25
What very convenient timing... Hayabusa Mar 2017 #29
Hmmm yes convenient timing Athought Mar 2017 #31
note the impact of this Wikileaks / Assange Swagman Mar 2017 #32
Timing is everything! SayItLoud Mar 2017 #33
Another version of the article, same source: janx Mar 2017 #35

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
2. Trump: 'I love WikiLeaks
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 12:04 PM
Mar 2017
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300327-trump-i-love-wikileaks

GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump on Monday praised WikiLeaks for publishing Democratic rival Hillary Clintons hacked emails.

I love WikiLeaks, he told listeners during a campaign rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., prompting prolonged Lock her up! chants from his audience. Its amazing how nothing is secret today when you talk about the Internet.

Trump then began reading from sheets of paper some of the details revealed by WikiLeakss Friday dump of Clintons emails.
In a speech behind closed doors, Crooked Hillary said, Terrorism is not a big threat to our nation, Trump said. Terrorism is a big, big threat. We are riding into something very dangerous.

In another closed door speech, she wanted to have open borders and open trade with everybody. There go the rest of your jobs.

BumRushDaShow

(169,297 posts)
3. "More deflection" - that's why it was done
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 12:09 PM
Mar 2017

to knock Russia off the news cycle.

Let's hope the media doesn't fall for the bait. That dump has nothing to do with the prevailing foreign interference issue.

BumRushDaShow

(169,297 posts)
27. Yup
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 05:39 PM
Mar 2017

and it's amazing that they would denigrate and destroy the tools they have and will definitely need in the future just for a short term gain.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
4. This is dangerous.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 12:27 PM
Mar 2017

Assface, with Wikileak help, is putting the intelligence community, and the nation as a whole, in extreme danger.

He is targeting those persons who have been trained to keep this country safe. How is this not treason?

Will no one stop him?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
8. Assface is my name for Trump.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:41 PM
Mar 2017

The Wikileaks guy can go screw himself, but if Trump is using him to harm Americans, how can that be anything but treason?

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
23. No harm done.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 05:02 PM
Mar 2017

I should have made it more clear that I think Trumps face looks like an actual ASS!

I should also add that seeing him on teevee makes me feel like throwing up, cause he is so gross and nasty!

And, why leave without saying that the weasel Chaffetz's face is starting to look like an ASS, too!

These heartless bastards are starting to get me down. What kind human makes points by hating on sick, old, or helpless people? How about they pick on someone their own size for a change?

Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get that out. I feel better now.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. You've described the republican
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 05:14 PM
Mar 2017

party going back as long as I'm alive (56 years) - heartless bastards. I don't watch the news very much, I follow my twitter feed, get latest breaking news on my phone so I don't miss anything truly important and check in with DU a few times a day. It's really all I can handle with that degenerate in the oval office.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
5. This is the moment.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:10 PM
Mar 2017

The intelligence community has to shut this traitor down. They have to shut down Wikileaks and start turning the screws to Ecuador, we have to force them to kick his ass out. It is only a matter of time when he turns the tables on them.

The intelligence community has to come together and kick this fucking traitor out of our House. Any one that has hitched their wagon to this POS is as guilty as he is.

Turbineguy

(40,035 posts)
6. This:
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:25 PM
Mar 2017

"... WikiLeaks said the archive “appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.”..."

Uh... let's see "contractors". Wait! I know... Privatization! The GOP's favorite way to do things.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. I got a $20 says there are no documents included that implicate Dolt 45
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:44 PM
Mar 2017

in anything.

This is simply to push the "deep state" narrative that the WH pushed last night.

This is on command of Putin and likely Bannon.

More_Cowbell

(2,241 posts)
11. Is this where Trump got wiretapping information?
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 01:51 PM
Mar 2017

I had assumed that Trump or Bannon got the information about wiretapping (maybe in the form of transcripts of conversations) from a national security briefing after the election. But what if Wikileaks gave them a heads-up about this dump (as Wikileaks is a Russian organization) and Trump just prematurely let the cat out of the bag?

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
14. This is indeed catastrophic
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:26 PM
Mar 2017

"the CIA had “recently” lost control of a massive arsenal of CIA hacking tools as well as associated documentation."

"If the authenticity of the documents is officially confirmed, it would represent yet another catastrophic breach for the U.S. intelligence community at the hands of WikiLeaks and its allies...."



wordpix

(18,652 posts)
19. Unlike Pres. O who placed sanctions on Russia for hacking, Trumputin will welcome more
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 02:45 PM
Mar 2017

xor

(1,204 posts)
21. Lots of stuff in that dump.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 04:05 PM
Mar 2017

I went through a few things and while interesting, I don't know if there is much seriously compromising stuff in it. But I also haven't go through everything. There are some code and explanations, but I haven't seen anything that wouldn't be known to anyone who does stuff in this arena.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
24. Refers to this
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 05:08 PM
Mar 2017
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_14588467.html

Tl;dr: "When signaturing [malware] tools, string obfuscation algorithms (especially those that are unique) are often used to link malware to a specific developer or development shop."

The US government writes malware targeting Windows (and Mac, and *nix etc etc etc) and attempts to hide where that malware actually came from (because privacy and security, with no irony at all intended whatsoever). Nothing at all new there, been done for years and more likely decades, but it should still piss you off because....

.... well. I'll leave it to you to decide if the black market price for the tools themselves is high enough to overcome a developer's patriotism enough that they would sell the tool stripped of its signatures, so that the "newly-discovered-in-the-wild" malware doesn't blow the authoring shop's cover after the sale.

A vulnerability is a vulnerability is a vulnerability. Once it is discovered (or reverse-engineered, in the case of a false/compromised DLL), it's just malware in the wild, same as all the rest and available to everyone who knows how to use it.

Maybe our government shouldn't write malware that targets specific DLLs of OSes known for their vulnerability to malware for that exact reason, that it just perpetuates a shitty cycle, but now parts of that cycle are being (unintentionally, but for the theorized sale) contributed by government employees

xor

(1,204 posts)
28. Yeah, I saw that.
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 05:50 PM
Mar 2017

What I found odd was the "LOLZ" on that page. Seems unprofessional even if this does seem to come from a rather informal knowledge base.

As to your point, one thing I've noticed is that a lot of the topics in there seem to pull from public knowledge. I would also expect that any intelligence agency would be developing and using such tools and information. In fact, the summary page on wikileaks says that some of tools and source code were "stolen" from other countries intelligence agencies and hacking groups. I suppose it's always possible someone working for the CIA or NSA could attempt to sell this stuff on the black market, but those people could find exploits and develop those tools on their own if they were not doing it for the government. Plenty of people do that sort stuff just for fun.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
30. At which point we enter an infinite loop
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 06:18 PM
Mar 2017

and those are almost never useful. I only mention that because I recall in a class a year or two ago (BASIC or Javascript, I think) the "almost never" applied to infinite loops, and I've been scratching my head ever since trying to come up with a scenario in my language du jour in which an infinite loop would have a legitimate use, and I'm stumped.

Back on point, can you imagine the security and capability these people from varying nations could develop into a computing platform if all of them decided to work together for once on a single project?

I know, I know, won't happen, not realistic, too much opportunity for secrets to be exposed, etc., etc. Still.

The result wouldn't be completely impregnable from attack, but it would be one hell of a lot stronger than what we currently have in general consumer market use.

Athought

(10 posts)
31. Hmmm yes convenient timing
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 06:51 PM
Mar 2017

It makes me wonder. Who is there to trust? Wikileaks is saying : chess move.

I don't like narcissists who are malignant. Chaos is their game to make people wonder what is real and who can we trust.

I have a term for it: emotional water boarding.

It keeps one off balance.

So, wikileaks is in the game again and it is a game to them.

America is not a game to me. She needs heroes right now- heroes who can remember who we are and what we know and where we've been.

Swagman

(1,934 posts)
32. note the impact of this Wikileaks / Assange
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 07:23 PM
Mar 2017

claim is a fraction of what it would have been in the past.

Assange really blew any credibility he had with the Democrat email hacks and showed he was a partisan political player.
He is either a straight out Putin shill or expected to be rewarded by the Comb-over Crybaby and ignored the fact- Trump never pays his bills.

and don't forget- Wikileaks (Assange) repeatedly tweeted up until election day the @pizzagate claptrap.

Assange's reward is that he is only a star now in the world of Red Neck Tea Party loonies who couldn't give a damn about him. Mainstream media report on Assange like he's an oddity and Ecuador is sailing close to the wind by allowing the person they gave sanctuary to deal in stolen goods.

Assange played a dangerous game and has lost.

SayItLoud

(1,774 posts)
33. Timing is everything!
Tue Mar 7, 2017, 08:12 PM
Mar 2017

Saturday tRUMP45* tweets about wire taps. Today WikiLeaks releases IC tactics...including about wire taps! Hummm more shady dealings of Bannon or Stone or Cory or ManaFART. He knew the leaks were coming on Saturday!

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