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zz-la

(224 posts)
Mon May 1, 2017, 07:59 PM May 2017

Shooting of black teen in Dallas suburb did not meet our core values, police chief says

Source: Washington Post

Police have retracted earlier accounts that a vehicle was reversing toward officers in an “aggressive manner” when one of the officers opened fire, striking and killing 15-year-old Jordan Edwards in a Dallas-area suburb Saturday night. In a news conference Monday, Balch Springs Police Chief Jonathan Haber said that he initially “misspoke” and that the vehicle had begun to drive away at the time the officer opened fire. He questioned whether the shooting was necessary.

“I unintentionally (was) incorrect when I said the vehicle was backing down the road … in fact I can tell you that I do have questions in relation to my observation (of) the video,” Haber said. “After reviewing the video, I don’t believe that (the shooting) met our core values.”
Haber, who declined to release the video footage of the shooting as well as the name of the officer involved, said that evidence will be presented to a grand jury.

Earlier, the police chief said that officers were dispatched to the 12300 block of Baron Drive in Balch Springs after receiving a 911 call at 11 p.m. reporting several drunken teens walking around the neighborhood. When officers arrived, they heard gunshots, Haber said. In what police described as an “unknown altercation,” a vehicle then began “backing down the street toward the officers in an aggressive manner.” By Monday afternoon, police had retracted that statement.

One officer shot at the vehicle, Haber said, striking Jordan, who was in the front passenger seat. Jordan was taken to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. The Dallas County Medical Examiner’s office said he was killed by a rifle wound to the head.The officer was placed on administrative duty. The Dallas County Sheriff’s Department and the Dallas County District Attorney’s Office are conducting their own investigations into the shooting, and the Balch Springs Police Department will oversee an internal investigation.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/05/01/officer-fatally-shoots-15-year-old-boy-in-dallas-suburb/?utm_term=.93de30615939



Disgusting a 15 year old boy murdered by the police. Had enough yet America?

So sorry for the families loss.
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Shooting of black teen in Dallas suburb did not meet our core values, police chief says (Original Post) zz-la May 2017 OP
Every police officer involved in use of force safeinOhio May 2017 #1
If there was a study that shows drugs and or steroid use are whats causing this cstanleytech May 2017 #5
Shameful. And I bet he only retracted his statements because they became aware of a... iluvtennis May 2017 #2
Absolutely, they seem to be trained to "shoot to kill". ATL Ebony May 2017 #4
Free clue: this ain't hollywood, cops aren't annie oakley X_Digger May 2017 #13
It is kind of like Hollywood atreides1 May 2017 #16
And a miss when aiming for the body doesn't? LanternWaste May 2017 #17
Which is more likely to miss, shooting at a torso or a knee? Which is a larger target? X_Digger May 2017 #18
What the shell was that cop doing with an effing RIFLE much less shooting it?? hedda_foil May 2017 #3
Hunting n/t moonscape May 2017 #6
Good answer. hedda_foil May 2017 #12
Until a majority of white folks WellDarn May 2017 #7
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #15
Ah jeeze, THAT'S nice to know jmowreader May 2017 #8
Didn't meet their core values? bagelsforbreakfast May 2017 #9
Kind of a low bar, nest pas? mpcamb May 2017 #10
Unbelievably understated....didn't meet core values JDC May 2017 #11
Dallas, Texas, Afro-American Greensix1 May 2017 #14
Before you lambast Dallas you should lookup where this happened tammywammy May 2017 #19

safeinOhio

(32,522 posts)
1. Every police officer involved in use of force
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:09 PM
May 2017

should be tested for drugs and especially steroids. Ive been saying this for years. Today a research paper on increased testosterone and bad judgement on snap decisions.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170428154556.htm

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
5. If there was a study that shows drugs and or steroid use are whats causing this
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:35 PM
May 2017

then I would agree however I suspect the main causes are going to turn out to be lax recruitment qualifications and far to little training before putting people out on the streets.
Another approach that they could and should consider is changing the makeup of the large police departments so you have unarmed officers for routine things like traffic accidents and armed specially trained ones for violent domestic and robbery calls and every patrol car and officer has cameras that live stream what they are doing back to the department both for the officers and public safety.

iluvtennis

(19,756 posts)
2. Shameful. And I bet he only retracted his statements because they became aware of a...
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:14 PM
May 2017

...cell phone video someone in neighborhood captured. Police really need to be trained to "disable/take down ppl" versus "shooting to kill". They could easily shoot someone in the knee caps versus aiming for the head. (note: Irealize this was shooting in the direction of a car, but could do the same thing. Instead of shooting at the windshield, shoot at the tires)

ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
4. Absolutely, they seem to be trained to "shoot to kill".
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:29 PM
May 2017

If the car was moving away from the officer then there wasn't an imminent threat causing the "shoot to kill" reaction, also why was a rifle needed. The officer could just as easily have shot out tires. Additionally, it was simply poor judgment because the youth was only a passenger. Although the outcome can be predicted based on past history I would love to finally see appropriate actions against the officer and retraining nationwide as to what constitutes use their deadly weapons.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
13. Free clue: this ain't hollywood, cops aren't annie oakley
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:39 PM
May 2017

Shooting someone in the kneecap will cripple them for life.

Cops are trained to aim for center mass, which is the torso. Why? 1. Because a miss (likely when aiming at someone's knees) may endanger bystanders, and 2. a center mass shot is likely to stop (not kill) a target immediately. No cop is trained to go for a head shot outside of some swat sniper hostage situation shit.

And shooting at the tires? Hollywood shit again. Cars don't immediately stop just because they get a flat. And the misses that a cop makes when shooting for the tires? Where does the ricochet go?

Derp, hollywood cop crap != reality.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. And a miss when aiming for the body doesn't?
Tue May 2, 2017, 03:32 PM
May 2017

"Because a miss (likely when aiming at someone's knees) may endanger bystanders..."
And a miss when aiming for the body doesn't? Irrational.

"and the misses that a cop makes when shooting for the tires? Where does the ricochet go?"
The same place that ricochets go from a missed body shot. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Again, irrational.

Derp... logical fallacies.


Though I dig your groovy justifications-- as they're very creative yet standard bullet points, regardless of your free, irrelevant and petulant advice...

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
18. Which is more likely to miss, shooting at a torso or a knee? Which is a larger target?
Tue May 2, 2017, 07:39 PM
May 2017

Physics fail.

Stick to repetition, it requires less thought.

 

WellDarn

(255 posts)
7. Until a majority of white folks
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:02 PM
May 2017

start demanding consequences for blue on black murder instead of looking for reasons not to call it what it is (for example, claiming Michael attacked Wilson, Garner was resisting, Tamir made a move for his toy . . .) young black males in particular and poc in general are in imminent danger during every police encounter and need to learn to defend themselves.

Arm up, they shoot.

JDC

(10,081 posts)
11. Unbelievably understated....didn't meet core values
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:10 PM
May 2017

this incident, police response and story sicken me

 

Greensix1

(67 posts)
14. Dallas, Texas, Afro-American
Mon May 1, 2017, 10:52 PM
May 2017

The whole shooting can be explained by where it happened, Dallas, Texas, and the fact the kid wasn't white. He was a MINORITY, and in Texas, that's enough to warrant a cop killing him. Cop don't need reasons, just targets. It's like a game to them. They are afraid of US, all of US. WE are their Enemy. Each and every one of US. They talk about it in the police station, in their conversations with each other, and in their daily briefings. It's them against US. Not them protecting US. Them Against US. The whole hiring system of police needs to change and most of the cops in the country should be replaced by citizens who understand why they have a job in the first place, and who pays their salaries.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
19. Before you lambast Dallas you should lookup where this happened
Tue May 2, 2017, 09:39 PM
May 2017

Here's a clue - not in Dallas.

The officer has now been fired.

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