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ProudProgressiveNow

(6,129 posts)
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:56 PM May 2017

In a Private Dinner, Trump Demanded Loyalty. Comey Demurred.

Source: NYT

WASHINGTON — Only seven days after Donald J. Trump was sworn in as president, James B. Comey has told associates, the F.B.I. director was summoned to the White House for a one-on-one dinner with the new commander in chief.

The conversation that night in January, Mr. Comey now believes, was a harbinger of his downfall this week as head of the F.B.I., according to two people who have heard his account of the dinner.

As they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trump’s rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.

Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not “reliable” in the conventional political sense.

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In a Private Dinner, Trump Demanded Loyalty. Comey Demurred. (Original Post) ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 OP
like a mafia don. drray23 May 2017 #1
He certainly has shady connections... whether it's the New York mob or Russian mob. groundloop May 2017 #2
Don't forget Rudy canetoad May 2017 #17
I think most mafia bosses murielm99 May 2017 #24
"It's me or The Constitution. You can't have both." no_hypocrisy May 2017 #3
U.S. Government employees' Oath: elleng May 2017 #4
Anyone working in the Government Best_man23 May 2017 #22
Since Trump runs the government like a crime family, he should start enforcing a blood oath dalton99a May 2017 #5
Trump would have to tie sane folks to a chair to make them listen to yammering about crowd sizes. Judi Lynn May 2017 #6
Face it bucolic_frolic May 2017 #7
I'm not Comey..... but if I were IN his shoes Plucketeer May 2017 #13
Yes, you're right bucolic_frolic May 2017 #14
except Hillary, publicly yurbud May 2017 #31
Isn't there a law against that crap? n/t bagimin May 2017 #8
So glad this is coming zentrum May 2017 #9
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 #18
never meet with Trump alone -- may need a witness to the conversation. nt NCjack May 2017 #10
Remember, the Nazi's DIDN'T say "Heil Germany" ..................tRump: Heil Myself!!! winstars May 2017 #11
It sounds like a scene from "The Godfather" dflprincess May 2017 #12
No kidding!! I thought that too. Trump is just pathological! AgadorSparticus May 2017 #21
Comey is such a hypocrite. He felt compelled to abandon all precedent deurbano May 2017 #15
Good points. zentrum May 2017 #20
OMG I just read the entire article, It is absolutely hysterical !!!! pangaia May 2017 #16
Wehrmacht swear 'Oath of Loyalty' to Hitler ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 #19
The White House Chief Usher that he fired kskiska May 2017 #23
K & R - and thanks for not substituting a bogus, click-bait headline. L. Coyote May 2017 #25
It's an easy call whether to believe Comey or Trump DeminPennswoods May 2017 #26
Comey Never Told Trump videohead5 May 2017 #27
Trump also said it was from committee meetings and other people- bettyellen May 2017 #28
Comey's a very smart, astute man to have answered that way. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #29
I think a whole article could be written over the word choice of 'demurred' in this context. mr_lebowski May 2017 #30

drray23

(7,627 posts)
1. like a mafia don.
Thu May 11, 2017, 08:57 PM
May 2017

Maybe we will find that Trump is actually a mafia boss running part of new york underground...im only half kidding.

elleng

(130,861 posts)
4. U.S. Government employees' Oath:
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:10 PM
May 2017

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

5 U.S.C. §3331

Best_man23

(4,897 posts)
22. Anyone working in the Government
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:56 PM
May 2017

Needs to remember, they support and defend the Constitution, NOT tRump.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
6. Trump would have to tie sane folks to a chair to make them listen to yammering about crowd sizes.
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:12 PM
May 2017

Having Trump demanding a loyalty oath to him could bring on a spontaneous human combustion.

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bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
7. Face it
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:25 PM
May 2017

Comey is highly intelligent, he sees the nuanced shades of gray in everything.

Of course he's not going to tell anyone they're under investigation. That would
tip them off. It's like stopping at a speed trap and asking if they're clocking you.

Yet some dunce just doesn't understand it.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. I'm not Comey..... but if I were IN his shoes
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:36 PM
May 2017

I'd have NO trouble lying to Trump about whether or not he was being investigated. We're talking TREASON of the highest order here - handing over the keys to a dogged foe. A foe that laughs at the argument for human rights. "No, Mr. President. We're not looking into ANY of your transgressions against Americans and their country! What an absurd thing to ask about."

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
14. Yes, you're right
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:39 PM
May 2017

An FBI Director worth his salt would either demur or do explicitly what you suggest.
Anyone asking the question would know enough not to ask the question unless they
were up to no good. And they'd know they don't deserve a straight answer because
the job is not about loyalty, it's about rule of law.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
9. So glad this is coming
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:30 PM
May 2017

...out.

It means however, that all the other guys who are still there did swear loyalty. Like Sessions. And his second in command. If McCabe sticks around---then I would assume he's "loyal".

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
15. Comey is such a hypocrite. He felt compelled to abandon all precedent
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:02 PM
May 2017

by interjecting himself (front and center) into the email investigation after Lynch had a private conversation with Bill (not Hillary) Clinton when they happened to be at the same airport... but this upstanding public servant accepts an invitation to a private dinner with the guy whose campaign is the subject of an FBI investigation?

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
20. Good points.
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:26 PM
May 2017

I've never "met" a head of the FBI I trusted, frankly. Each, in their own unique way, are problematic. And rarely stand for real justice, IMO, but rather for the powers that be.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
16. OMG I just read the entire article, It is absolutely hysterical !!!!
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:03 PM
May 2017




Huckabee might just be stupider than whats her face from Wasilla..

DeminPennswoods

(15,273 posts)
26. It's an easy call whether to believe Comey or Trump
Thu May 11, 2017, 11:58 PM
May 2017

Comey's made is share of missteps, but imho, he's honest. Trump, otoh, says whatever he thinks will make him look good right then and has been repeatedly proven he lies, probably pathologically.

videohead5

(2,171 posts)
27. Comey Never Told Trump
Fri May 12, 2017, 12:16 AM
May 2017

He was not under investigation.according to Brian Williams on MSNBC tonight.this was from someone that knew Comey.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
28. Trump also said it was from committee meetings and other people-
Fri May 12, 2017, 12:40 AM
May 2017

So basically he's watching TV and regurgitating FOX spin as if it actually happened. Crazy, isn't it?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
30. I think a whole article could be written over the word choice of 'demurred' in this context.
Fri May 12, 2017, 05:12 AM
May 2017

Why? Because ...

1) WAY fewer people know the meaning of the word 'demurred' vs. the far more accurate 'Declined' or even better 'Said No'.
2) Even people who are fully aware of it's meaning should recognize it's a 'weasel word' in this context. Based on the headline, you have no idea if it means 'he did' or 'he didnt' ... promise his loyalty. Because 'demurred' works as a descriptor in EITHER CASE.

It's like this kind of headline: "Blockbuster Proof: Asked if He was Alien From Other Planet, Obama Once Replied 'Oh You Know It!'"

I find this kind of click-bait-headline-crafting despicable and am so sick of this kind of manipulation from our corporate media.

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