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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:23 AM May 2017

Trump Cancels Visit to Ancient Masada Site after Israel Refuses Helicopter Landing

Source: Newsweek



BY JACK MOORE ON 5/18/17 AT 7:05 AM

President Donald Trump has canceled a planned visit and speech at the ancient mountain fortress of Masada in Israel after authorities told him that he could not land his helicopter on top of the UNESCO-listed site.

Instead, Trump will now deliver a speech at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. It comes after an Israeli Air Force (IAF) regulation that prevents helicopters landing at the summit of the Masada site, according to Israel’s Channel 2 broadcaster.

Unlike former presidents who have made the trip, such as George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, Trump declined to land the helicopter at a base of the historic site and then take the cable car up, preferring to cancel the visit altogether.

The office of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declined to comment, referring any matters involving Trump’s schedule to the U.S. government. The Israeli Foreign Ministry also declined to comment on Trump’s schedule.



Read more: http://www.newsweek.com/trump-cancels-visit-ancient-masada-site-after-israel-blocks-helicopter-landing-611287

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Trump Cancels Visit to Ancient Masada Site after Israel Refuses Helicopter Landing (Original Post) DonViejo May 2017 OP
Did he throw a temper tantrum---------------apparently so, when they said NO turbinetree May 2017 #1
If he is afraid of stairs, he's probably terrified of the cable car that goes up the mountain. Mrs. Overall May 2017 #2
Nah, a cable car, like a helicopter, is "sit back and relax." forgotmylogin May 2017 #15
Nothing to do with wind leftynyc May 2017 #38
That totally makes sense! forgotmylogin May 2017 #45
fwiw that looks amazing d_r May 2017 #51
It'll take under 5 minutes muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #53
I suspect it is more anger at being told "NO" karynnj May 2017 #23
I hiked the Snake Path leftynyc May 2017 #39
Afraid of stairs. Now cable cars? Fear of heights maybe? Lochloosa May 2017 #3
He lived for decades on the 56th (and higher) floor of his NYC Tower. nt BumRushDaShow May 2017 #16
But all the windows are actually one way glass so he'd never have to look out, only at his uppityperson May 2017 #28
LOL BumRushDaShow May 2017 #37
Has His Supreme Tonedeafness Tweeted about it yet? neeksgeek May 2017 #4
Why is he so scared? IronLionZion May 2017 #5
He's already created an international incident and he has even left yet. brush May 2017 #6
He's basically a walking, talking international incident. neeksgeek May 2017 #8
without the "walking". marybourg May 2017 #13
Well, he does walk. A little. More of a waddle, I suppose.... neeksgeek May 2017 #14
I've been thinking that for awhile now! Bayard May 2017 #26
Heeheehee! Yep! brush May 2017 #22
Talk about a showboater C_U_L8R May 2017 #7
So what other events will he find an excuse to cancel? Freethinker65 May 2017 #9
What a weenie. Ilsa May 2017 #10
he's infantile barbtries May 2017 #11
I just heard about this. DK504 May 2017 #12
Might as well not go, anyway. AFAIC. . . DinahMoeHum May 2017 #17
Yeah, this on top of his already having revealed their intel with the Russkies. brush May 2017 #24
could be payback from the Israelis for leaking classified intel they shared onetexan May 2017 #18
Not at all - Masada is a UNESCO heritage site filled with archaeological ruins karynnj May 2017 #30
To this day leftynyc May 2017 #41
I didn't know they still swear in the military there. karynnj May 2017 #44
Yes, it is leftynyc May 2017 #50
B'nai mitzvah at Masada are huge too! EllieBC May 2017 #49
no dramatic entry? no golf course? fuck it 0rganism May 2017 #19
Quick, someone tell Queen Elizabeth that this is how it is done. sdfernando May 2017 #20
Maybe they could offer to carry him up in a sedan chair... brooklynite May 2017 #21
Gonna need more than four carriers for your know who. Maybe an aircraft carrier. brush May 2017 #25
My exact, same thought! You beat me to it. maddiemom May 2017 #33
In all fairness, a cable car can only take so much weight. Vinca May 2017 #27
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #43
Always looking for the rock start entrance Bayard May 2017 #29
Trumps gold cart would not make the climb. Nice pics at link in OP riversedge May 2017 #32
Like the time he bathroommonkey76 May 2017 #55
So, he wanted to make a grand entrance on top of an archeological/Heritage site. haele May 2017 #31
Trump wanted to land is helicopter ON MASADA? DFW May 2017 #34
Your attempt at a religius analogy does not get too far. former9thward May 2017 #46
I was thinking in terms of offending the sensibilities of the locals DFW May 2017 #52
Frees up his schedule for a visit to Salem, MA. Xipe Totec May 2017 #35
He was planning on giving a speech about how badly he's been treated in America benpollard May 2017 #36
Let me guess, the speech will be all about himself. Beacool May 2017 #40
First the Queen won't let him use her horse drawn carriage left-of-center2012 May 2017 #42
Be proud of your lazy-assed cowardly president, America... Blue_Tires May 2017 #47
I've walked up the Snake Trail a couple times. bikebloke May 2017 #48
This is just the beginning of the insults he will deliver Alice11111 May 2017 #54
Lucky them. Cha May 2017 #56
I suspect he has no idea of the significance of the site. alphafemale May 2017 #57

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
1. Did he throw a temper tantrum---------------apparently so, when they said NO
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:28 AM
May 2017

What a jerk...................he really is sexual predator jerk


forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
15. Nah, a cable car, like a helicopter, is "sit back and relax."
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:50 AM
May 2017

He's afraid of stairs cause he's 70 and unsure of his "limited exercise mana." I'd guess he wouldn't like being surrounded by the public in a tourist area. Surely they would have given him a private cable car for himself and his staff.

The other Presidents probably enjoyed the scenic ride! If he can ride in a helicopter (which I can confirm is terrifying to anyone who has trouble with planes or unsteady heights), he's got to be okay with a cable car.

And I can understand that they wouldn't want to take chances landing a helicopter in the wind up there, especially near strung cables.





Oof. I'd be nervous, but what a view of the Dead Sea!

My guess that cable car takes 20-30 minutes each way which would take a whole hour out of 45's itinerary, and Trump just wanted to get in and out without spending the length of downtime the cable car would require. I suspect he gets really bored easily and doesn't appreciate unfamiliar surroundings or transport for any length of time.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
53. It'll take under 5 minutes
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:05 PM
May 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada_cableway

900m long (height gain 290m), top speed 28.8 km/h. At that speed it'd take under 2 minutes; with speeding up and slowing down, it should still be under 5. Even with getting to and from the terminus and where a helicopter lands, probably just a total of 20 minutes.

I think he may really be scared of it. Has he been in one before? He doesn't look like the skiing type (he avoids all exercise). He's not one to appreciate a natural view, either. He may have a fear of modes of transport he hasn't done before. Or ones that the public use as well.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
23. I suspect it is more anger at being told "NO"
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:46 AM
May 2017

I've been to Masada -- I think almost the entire top is archeological ruins. When we went, we did not take the cable car up, but climbed up starting at about 4 am at the advice of our wonderful tour guide. It was August and very hot, so she suggested going that early to both see the sun rise over Massada and avoid the heat and to have more time at the Dead Sea. Going down was not scary in the least even though I have some fear of heights.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. I hiked the Snake Path
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:18 PM
May 2017

in my 20s - same as you, August, crazy early in the morning, for the sunrise. Did the cable car last year. You are 100% correct, the entire mesa is an archeological site.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
28. But all the windows are actually one way glass so he'd never have to look out, only at his
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:03 PM
May 2017

own reflection.

I think I made that up.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
4. Has His Supreme Tonedeafness Tweeted about it yet?
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:32 AM
May 2017

Perhaps a misspelled diatribe about "unfair" he's being treated?

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
8. He's basically a walking, talking international incident.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

Sorta like Pigpen in classic Peanuts: diplomatic disaster just sorta sloughs off his clothes.

neeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
14. Well, he does walk. A little. More of a waddle, I suppose....
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:49 AM
May 2017

Sudden flashback of Dune's Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. Must... resist... urge... to Google... that!

Bayard

(22,063 posts)
26. I've been thinking that for awhile now!
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:59 AM
May 2017

The orange hair, the bloat, the lasciviousness, the preference for floating around.....

Freethinker65

(10,017 posts)
9. So what other events will he find an excuse to cancel?
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

Probably concerned about getting too much exercise...
That and bad optics with the cable car.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
10. What a weenie.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:39 AM
May 2017

Look, I'm not fond of heights of cable cars, either. I suspect a helo ride would bother me more. But I've done a high cable car. You suck it up, overcome your anxiety, and do what is required of you. Trump isn't capable of mastering his emotions; he's unfit.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
11. he's infantile
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:41 AM
May 2017

i know this isn't news but when i read shit like this i just have to comment.
i'm chuckling but what an unrelenting shame to the USA this man is.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
12. I just heard about this.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:43 AM
May 2017

His refusal to understand or even get history lessons about the 5,000 years of history of the region really is stunning.

DinahMoeHum

(21,784 posts)
17. Might as well not go, anyway. AFAIC. . .
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:51 AM
May 2017

. . .he's an "accident" waiting to happen. . .

Lawd only knows how much he's pissed off Mossad and the Israelis in general.

brush

(53,776 posts)
24. Yeah, this on top of his already having revealed their intel with the Russkies.
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:52 AM
May 2017

He should be real popular in Israel right about now, having probably endangered the life of one of their agents who had worked his/her way into ISIS somehow.

Wonder what Bibi thinks of him now, he was such of fan of his?

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
30. Not at all - Masada is a UNESCO heritage site filled with archaeological ruins
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:05 PM
May 2017

It is an important place in Israeli history as well as ancient history. In Ari Shavit's book, he writes of how Jewish settlers pre 1947 who were became part of Israel's defense in 1948 were taken there.

I suspect that the earlier story that the Trump people planning the trip turning down Israeli help for planning a visit to the Western Wall and having Netanyahu accompany him - because it is "part of the West Bank" and not Israel.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. To this day
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:21 PM
May 2017

The most elite of their military get sworn in on Masada. It's an extremely important site for Jews and Jewish history. It was the very last site to fall before the Romans took over

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
44. I didn't know they still swear in the military there.
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:45 PM
May 2017

The symbolism of swearing in the military which protects them at the last stronghold against the Romans, where the defenders committed suicide rather than surrender is very powerful.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. Yes, it is
Thu May 18, 2017, 04:07 PM
May 2017

When I heard he was scheduled to speak from there, I came very close to actually throwing up. And one small but important point, only one person bore the burden of suicide - it was a mass killing (the difference being the same as thou shall not kill versus thou shall not murder), not a mass suicide.

EllieBC

(3,014 posts)
49. B'nai mitzvah at Masada are huge too!
Thu May 18, 2017, 03:45 PM
May 2017

When I was there in 03 there were some IDF being sworn in there. And our guide told us its very popular for bar and bas mitzvah kids too.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
20. Quick, someone tell Queen Elizabeth that this is how it is done.
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:19 AM
May 2017

Refuse the carriage ride, and the orange one will cancel the trip! Easy Peasy!

Bayard

(22,063 posts)
29. Always looking for the rock start entrance
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:05 PM
May 2017

Like wanting the royal golden carriage in London. The ego is YUUUGE, and requires continual stroking. Is he visiting Egypt while he's over there? Maybe he could land on top of a Pyramid.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
55. Like the time he
Thu May 18, 2017, 09:52 PM
May 2017

was rocking on the escalator in Trump Tower?? LOL Every rock star was jealous after this: LOL




haele

(12,650 posts)
31. So, he wanted to make a grand entrance on top of an archeological/Heritage site.
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:06 PM
May 2017

It would have been beautiful, right - to watch him land on the top of the plateau where the Israelites held of the Romans for so long - the symbolism would have been terrific in his mind.
A great segue into some blathering..."stirring speech" about how he can hold out and will never be defeated by his enemies because he's righteous, or something like that. At least, that's how Miller would spin it to him.
Baby God-Emperor, he is. So of course, he'd throw a tantrum and refuse to go if he doesn't get his way.
Haele

DFW

(54,369 posts)
34. Trump wanted to land is helicopter ON MASADA?
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:18 PM
May 2017

What does he want to do next, visit the Grand Mosque at Mecca and have a pork barbecue?

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
46. Your attempt at a religius analogy does not get too far.
Thu May 18, 2017, 03:15 PM
May 2017

There is nothing that offends the Jewish religion about a helo going on Masada. It is banned for safety reasons because of the wind and many cables in the area.

DFW

(54,369 posts)
52. I was thinking in terms of offending the sensibilities of the locals
Thu May 18, 2017, 04:43 PM
May 2017

Not the purely "religius" aspects.

benpollard

(199 posts)
36. He was planning on giving a speech about how badly he's been treated in America
Thu May 18, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

"No one has ever been treated as badly as I have" was his topic to the Jews of Israel.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
40. Let me guess, the speech will be all about himself.
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:19 PM
May 2017

Just like his speech to the Coast Guard graduates. We have an imbecile as president.



left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
42. First the Queen won't let him use her horse drawn carriage
Thu May 18, 2017, 02:32 PM
May 2017

Now the Israelis say no to a helicopter to Masada.

Don't they know who Donald is?

bikebloke

(5,260 posts)
48. I've walked up the Snake Trail a couple times.
Thu May 18, 2017, 03:24 PM
May 2017

Took the cable car down. I bet he doesn't want to ride in a cable car used by lowly commoners. His throne wouldn't even fit through the door.

But it is an archealogical site. A helicopter would damage it.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
54. This is just the beginning of the insults he will deliver
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:21 PM
May 2017

to our allies on this trip. At least, Clinton and GWB, rode the cable car. DT is going out of his way not to let them show him their places of pride and participate as they do.
Hey, Prez, this is part of your job. (We don't have a royal family to do some of this...plus, don't you have any curiosity? You don't have to study up, like anyone else would do. Just listen.)

It's like he is accentuating the "Ugly American" stereotype, who expects to go to a foreign country, and be treated differently than the locals, like he is still in America and calling the shots about how things are done. Not to mention, he is telling them, I don't give a shit about your history.

You would think Melania would want to go on this trip...maybe even have Barron miss a week of school...once in a lifetime opportunity. I'm sure the hosts would provide her with separate quarters.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
57. I suspect he has no idea of the significance of the site.
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:21 PM
May 2017

I am glad he didn't spew his verbal filth there.

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