Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Judi Lynn

(164,125 posts)
Fri May 26, 2017, 09:50 PM May 2017

California citrus growers shocked and blindsided by arrival of lemons from Argentina

Source: Fresno Bee

MAY 26, 2017 4:15 PM
BY ROBERT RODRIGUEZ
brodriguez@fresnobee.com



Argentine lemons are on their way and California farmers are angry.

Friday was the first day that South American lemons were allowed into the U.S. market after a 16-year absence.

. . .

Citrus growers were feeling somewhat confident in January when President Donald Trump issued a 60-day stay on the Obama administration’s plans to lift the ban on lemons from Argentina. But in May, President Trump, who many in farming voted for, agreed to lift the ban and farmers were feeling betrayed.

Nelsen said many in the industry felt “shocked and blindsided” by the decision and last week citrus industry leaders filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Fresno. The suit, filed by the U.S. Citrus Science Council, alleges the federal government relied on incomplete science and political considerations in making its decision.

Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/business/agriculture/article152959484.html

29 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
California citrus growers shocked and blindsided by arrival of lemons from Argentina (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2017 OP
And they would be stupid enough to vote for him again blueinredohio May 2017 #1
and another bloc of trump voters screwed sideways Marthe48 May 2017 #2
TOO BAD, SO SAD! nt Nay May 2017 #20
First, the people who need healthcare. Then the coal miners. Now the farmers. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #3
And draining the swamp of the Goldman Sachs banksters ! (n/t) Pluvious May 2017 #5
Oh, yeah. How could I forget that one? nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #16
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #15
Well, Obama was a big free trader. I think it surprised him, the opposition to TPP, PatrickforO May 2017 #4
Good post. I agree with your points and well stated. n/t. airplaneman May 2017 #6
Excellent post NJCher May 2017 #12
True. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #17
+1000 OrwellwasRight May 2017 #19
NAFTA leveled the playing field down for all workers Marthe48 May 2017 #21
Trump probably got a bribe from Argentina. McCamy Taylor May 2017 #7
That, or he wanted to give his old friend Macri a hand politically. sandensea May 2017 #11
Citrus prices plummet. xxqqqzme May 2017 #8
When u got a lemon, import lemonade??? dembotoz May 2017 #9
TweeterRump giving the California growers as taste of their own lemons dreamland May 2017 #10
Did they expect differently?! Dopers_Greed May 2017 #13
k and r..nt Stuart G May 2017 #14
They probably thought Devin Nunes would look out for their interests Tanuki May 2017 #18
Fuck Fresno growers! They are poisoning the ground-water of their own wells. vkkv May 2017 #22
Check this: pablo_marmol May 2017 #24
That's bad, too. We're doomed if we keep going this direction. vkkv May 2017 #28
Looks like a good year for making lemonade! truthisfreedom May 2017 #23
but the farmers in California who export rice to Asia are happy. olddad56 May 2017 #25
Guess we know what Argentina got for rescinding Jimmy Carter's honor at DJT request. n/t CincyDem May 2017 #26
Look upon it as a learning experience, CA citrus farmers. Paladin May 2017 #27
.....The bigger impact will be to the 750 lemon growers in California. That is who is going to be riversedge May 2017 #29

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
3. First, the people who need healthcare. Then the coal miners. Now the farmers.
Fri May 26, 2017, 09:59 PM
May 2017

Don't forget the anti-Muslims, when he failed to craft a legal ban. And the "I'm the best wall builder in the world" wall.

Politicians exaggerate and at times tell a small lie. I've never seen a candidate base his entire campaign on a stack of lies before, that he had no intention of fulfilling and in some cases were the opposite of what he planned to do.

The legs of his campaign are falling like dominoes.

PatrickforO

(15,426 posts)
4. Well, Obama was a big free trader. I think it surprised him, the opposition to TPP,
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:11 PM
May 2017

particularly those democracy-killing ISDS provisions. I think he was taken aback at the vehement opposition to the secrecy in which the TPP was negotiated and drafted, as well.

Of course, the idea behind free trade (the ability by treaty to move capital from one geography to another) is noble. The creation of a worldwide middle class. That IS a noble thing.

Unfortunately, that isn't how it has worked. There are still sweatshops. IKEA fought its own union tooth and nail when moving stores here, to abide by the lesser protections afforded in US law.

Think of all the pain caused by NAFTA and CAFTA - the factories closed forever, to be replaced by Wal-Marts, turning once proud small-town Americans who prospered and lived their share of the American dream into the working poor, to be nickel and dimed to economic death by the inexorable march toward maximum value for shareholders at the expense of all else.

Now, it is the citrus farmers. Our farmers have enjoyed a protected market for a long time. Funny how it was the Dems all along that were giving them that...and ironic that they thought voting Republican was the right thing for them. The thought is worthy of a sad chuckle followed by a long sigh.

It is tragic for this nation that the right wing noise machine which has brainwashed a significant portion of our populace with very sophisticated corporate propaganda since the death of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 has turned so many Americans anti-intellectual, ignorant-and-proud-of-it, selfish, and generally hateful to anyone less fortunate. These people don't ever get the real news. They get talking points carefully picked by the corporate overlords of Breitbart, Fox and syndicated talk radio.

Will these farmers, like the displaced small town people who once prospered and now languish in working poverty, ever really understand how complete the betrayal of the American people has been at the hands of Republicans?

Maybe Trump is a good thing, because he is so unabashedly corrupt. He doesn't even pretend to be moral, he seems a bit whimsically insane, and is profoundly ignorant and anti-intellectual. These are traits that the corporate owners of the right wing propaganda network have carefully cultivated, and now they are coming back to bite the Republican base on the butt.

In the meantime we see a gradual softening in the housing market. Orders for autos and other durable goods are down. Trump, who takes seriously the mantra, "privatize, deregulate and gut social programs," has told financial regulators not to enforce the Volcker Rule, which prohibits banks from speculating with their customers' money.

We have allowed the foxes into the henhouse and they are destroying everything in sight. Will this republic survive them?

Tune in next week...but NOT to Fox...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. True.
Sat May 27, 2017, 08:55 AM
May 2017

"he is so unabashedly corrupt. He doesn't even pretend to be moral, he seems a bit whimsically insane, and is profoundly ignorant and anti-intellectual. These are traits that the corporate owners of the right wing propaganda network have carefully cultivated, and now they are coming back to bite the Republican base on the butt. "

That's the thing. Trump's so in-your-face about it all. He lies about obvious things, like how many people are in a photo. He says the Russian investigation is a hoax! Then he hosts Russians in the oval office, and gives them top level classified information! He then speaks with the evil Philippines dictator and gives HIM classified information. He brazenly stuffs his cabinet with Goldman Sachs executives and other billionaires, and then tops it off with a handful of Russian-connected rich guys.

He doesn't even try to hide it or explain any of it away. He's "whatareyougonnadoabout it? I'm the King!" And so far, he's been right. No one is doing anything about it.

I am beginning to think that we are, in fact, being run by the Russians at this point (the White House & the ones who control Congress).

Marthe48

(23,175 posts)
21. NAFTA leveled the playing field down for all workers
Sat May 27, 2017, 02:02 PM
May 2017

we were led to believe that it would level the playing field up. I'll never believe a good thing about trade agreements again.

sandensea

(23,344 posts)
11. That, or he wanted to give his old friend Macri a hand politically.
Sat May 27, 2017, 01:16 AM
May 2017

Macri, often called the "Argentine Trump" for his right-wing policies and fondness for race-baiting (as well as tax evasion and women), is in political dire straits right now - mostly on account of the sharp recession Argentina's been in, since he took office.

Mid-term elections in Argentina are in October, and Macri's anxious to show voters "something" - anything. Even a lemon.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
8. Citrus prices plummet.
Fri May 26, 2017, 10:55 PM
May 2017

The land is sold to developers and is lost forever to housing no one can afford. The 'local' market becomes non-existent and the price of lemons rises. California history

dreamland

(1,121 posts)
10. TweeterRump giving the California growers as taste of their own lemons
Fri May 26, 2017, 11:23 PM
May 2017

When Argentina suddenly approved Trump's tower plans after the election, it was another business deal at the cost of the California farmers. TweeterRump does not do anything that does not benefit himself in some manner, this time a hotel for lemons.

Tanuki

(16,448 posts)
18. They probably thought Devin Nunes would look out for their interests
Sat May 27, 2017, 09:51 AM
May 2017

instead of spending his time in Washington running secret midnight errands to protect #TrumpRussia.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
24. Check this:
Sun May 28, 2017, 02:03 AM
May 2017

Citrus growers in Anza-Borrego have been depleting the desert aquifer -- exploiting the inexpensive water even though they need more of it.

"Equally telling is how the hardy mesquite trees on the eastern edge of the park are dying from lack of water, he said.

“Here you have a tree . . . with the deepest documented roots of any tree in the world . . . and it appears that even this tree cannot keep up with the (aquifer) drawdown,” Jorgensen said."
 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
28. That's bad, too. We're doomed if we keep going this direction.
Sun May 28, 2017, 12:14 PM
May 2017

Do most people know that?

truthisfreedom

(23,532 posts)
23. Looks like a good year for making lemonade!
Sat May 27, 2017, 10:00 PM
May 2017

Frozen lemonade manufacturers should have a great summer.

riversedge

(80,813 posts)
29. .....The bigger impact will be to the 750 lemon growers in California. That is who is going to be
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:55 AM
May 2017

I know nothing of the lemon industry.

.....The bigger impact will be to the 750 lemon growers in California. “That is who is going to be hurt by this,” Nelsen said.

Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/business/agriculture/article152959484.html#storylink=cpy

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»California citrus growers...