Gunfire sparked blaze that destroyed 63 homes outside Yosemite

[SunSeeker]

Source: LATimes.com

Fire investigators say gunfire caused a wildfire near Yosemite National Park that destroyed 131 structures, including 63 homes, last month.

The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection said Friday that a gun fired on public lands caused the wildfire that burned 127 square miles (331 square kilometers) on July 16.

The fire prompted evacuations in several areas, including the town of Mariposa.

Cal Fire is offering a $2,000 reward for information about the person responsible for starting the fire.



Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-yosemite-fire-20170805-story.html

[sandensea]

1. Somewhere, clutching his assault weapons,

is some gun nut telling himself: "It's gonna be fine. President Trump won't let'em touch me!"

[Kensan]

2. Hey Trump....

This is one Obama era regulation I would be happy if you rescinded. Allowing guns into National Parks was always a foolish idea.

[GulfCoast66]

7. Respect your view and not looking for a debate

Because it is bed time!

But this gun owning social democrat disagrees.

The platform of the Democratic Party expressly supports the 2nd amendment as the right for civilians to own firearms.

I think we may be in agreement if we were to talk about the many restrictions we should place on that right.

Have a nice evening.

[LovesPNW]

30. Just so we are clear

You were in fact a republIcan, until recently ... Is that correct?

So, I say that because you have some ideas as to what the Democratic Party should support, and one of those subject areas is Second Amendment issues ...

My question to you would be - How much of Democratic Party philosophy should change to suit your idea of how the party philosophy SHOULD be arranged ...

I guess you probably thought long and hard what Democratic Party changes are needed while you were still a republican, correct?

Curious ...

[GulfCoast66]

35. Have you read the party platform on the 2nd amendment?

I support it as written. We Democrats support the rights of individuals to own firearms subject reasonable restrictions like the assault weapon ban, limited magazine capacity, closing the gun show loophole, etc. I support all those. As for the comment you are responding to about guns in National Parks; our platform is silent on the issue, the law was signed by President Obama and I support it.

And since you ask, I cannot think of any part of the Democratic Party philosophy I would like to see changed to the right...now to the left there are many things.

I think Healthcare is a right and look to Germany and France as an example that we should emulate. It is multiple long trips starting in 2005 to these nations that led me to my road to Damascus moment.

I support stronger Unions and believe right to work laws are extremely reactionary.

I could go on and on.

Please feel free to throw up my ex-republican status anytime we disagree. It bothers me not at all and is really just a deflection from the actual issue we are discussing as if my past somehow weakens my current options.

Personally, I would love to have several million more American realize that they have been sold a load of shit for 40 years and change their minds.

Have a nice evening.

[WhiteTara]

3. Some fool thinking they are Davie Crockett!

Guns owners can be such morons.

[hack89]

12. Hunting has been allowed on public lands for a long time

I suspect it was a hunter.

[Hoyt]

26. Needs to be limited when condition are prone to fire, don't ya think? Or is it gunz everywhere no

matter the danger?

[hack89]

31. We all know gun use can be limited. That's a given

Did the state set a fire danger condition and did it limit the use of guns?

[Hoyt]

34. I know gunners aren't known for judgement, but does the state have to tell gunners to

hold their fire when conditions are ripe for fires like this.

Maybe the NRA should teach gunners something useful besides how to shoot people, and what to tell the police if you mess up and shoot some unarmed kid.

[hack89]

37. Performance art is a DU tradition. I must say you are one of the best

sly parody is a form of humor I really appreciate.

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. Hmm- A) Kaufman-level performance art, B) a "Mary McFate", or C) gormless sincerity?

For the Mary McFate reference, see:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mary+McFate%22+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com&oq=%22Mary+McFate%22+site%3Ademocraticunderground.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3...20803.34212.0.34976.38.23.0.0.0.0.120.1835.20j2.22.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..22.0.0.J4eku0eQ_HY


Given some of the statements that have emanated from other gun control advocates over the years,
I'm inclined towards C...

[hack89]

39. His posts on other subjects are completely different

they are actually rational, well articulated and don't stoop to over the top stereotypes. I have been convince for years that Hoyt has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek when it comes to gun posts.

[friendly_iconoclast]

41. He needs to watch out, there's an up-and-comer looking to dethrone him

That other one still needs to work on his style, as he tends to go for obvious logical fallacies and
his formatting is rather ...idiosyncratic, shall we say...

[turbinetree]

4. Thank you fucking NRA and your rentless attack of having that fucking gun on and in a

priceless National Park, you mother fuckers should pay for this out of your worthless fucking budget and for everyone in the Interior Department sayings it's just fine and dandy to have a gun, that causes sparks---------and everyone that voted for legislation at the federal and state level--------------fuck you


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30832809/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/congress-votes-allow-guns-national-parks/#.WYZqg4jyvIU

[hack89]

11. That's a lot of Democrats that voted for it.

Suprising

[GulfCoast66]

36. Do you cast the same expletives at the President who signed the law, President Obama?

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. Good point-but don't expect to hear an answer to *that* awkward question...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. 63 homes x $200K is over $12 million. Insurance companies should offer $200K reward. . . . nt

[FakeNoose]

8. Send that invoice to the NRA

They should be the ones to pay.

[hack89]

10. That makes no sense

They didn't cause the fire.

[SergeStorms]

14. They're the ones.....

always opening their mouths and lobbying for guns to be allowed EVERYWHERE. Public land, private land, federal property, court houses, childcare facilities, airports, airplanes.......you name it, they want GUNS THERE! So in a way, yeah, they're responsible.

[friendly_iconoclast]

15. I've no doubt whatsover that you genuinely believe the NRA is responsible

[Hoyt]

27. NRA, 3%ers, KKK, gunners supporting gunz but too cheap to pay NRA dues -- they all are responsible.

Not to mention those who profit financially from gunz and those who just can't walk down the street without one.

[friendly_iconoclast]

28. I have no doubt whatsover that you sincerely believe what you say when you say it

[hack89]

19. ok. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

16. I'm waiting to hear about how AAA is responsible for pileups on freeways...

[SergeStorms]

23. That's......

a false equivalency, and you know it. Or you should. I should never make an assumption about what people should or shouldn't know. I'm a gun owner myself, but I use common sense when handling firearms. And no, I'm not a member of the NRA, because I hate their politics. Peace.

[LanternWaste]

24. I'm waiting to hear about the AAA's political posturing and sponsorship of partisan bills.

I'm waiting to hear about the AAA's political posturing and sponsorship of partisan bills.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as petulant and without merit as the other.

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. Here you go- AAA Advocacy Archive:

http://newsroom.aaa.com/advocacy/advocacy-news-archive/

http://newsroom.aaa.com/advocacy/advocacy-articles-information/

Transportation Funding (Video) Kathleen F. Bower, AAA Vice President Public Affairs, discusses transportation funding issues with Fox News’ Chris Wallace. Courtesy of Fox News Channel. All Rights Reserved.

Seated, Safe and Secure Is a national child passenger safety initiative to pass laws, educate parents, and promote industry engineering and technological advances on the issue of child passenger safety

Licensed to Learn is a national safety campaign to pass graduated driver licensing laws in all 50 states, and to make existing laws more robust.
– Ten Year Cost Savings
– Key Provisions Analysis
– State Law Comparison Chart

Nationwide Review of Graduated Driver Licensing Each year more than 1,000 16-year-old drivers are involved in fatal crashes. Injuries are the primary cause of death of teenagers, and 41% of all injury deaths at ages 15-19 involve motor vehicle crashes.

Safe Highways and Infrastructure Preservation Act In 2008, more than 4,000 people died and approximately 90,000 people were injured in truck-related crashes, with 84 percent of deaths occurring among persons other than occupants of a large truck. AAA opposed any change in truck size and weight regulations and encouraged Congress to focus on addressing the safety, enforcement and infrastructure implications associated with such a change.

http://newsroom.aaa.com/2017/01/aaa-commends-confirmation-elaine-chao-u-s-secretary-transportation/

(WASHINGTON, January 31, 2017) AAA’s President and CEO, Marshall Doney, has issued the following statement in response to the confirmation of Elaine Chao as U.S. Transportation Secretary:

“I commend the Senate for moving swiftly to confirm Elaine Chao as the nation’s 18th U.S. Secretary of Transportation. Ms. Chao’s commitment to public service is commendable and her previous service at U.S. DOT will serve her well as she advances the department’s goals to enhance the safety, efficiency and accessibility of the nation’s transportation system. AAA stands ready to work with Secretary Chao to identify solutions for transportation safety and funding challenges and intelligent transportation systems, automation and other shared priorities. AAA firmly believes that significant, additional investments are needed to maintain existing infrastructure and to enhance the nation’s system. We look forward to working with Secretary Chao to ensure that our transportation system is safe, reliable and efficient, and that the nation remains globally competitive in a rapidly changing economy.”

[mr_lebowski]

22. It also doesn't say the fire even touched Yosemite it says 'near' & Mariposa is at least 60 miles

... as the crow flies ... from any YNP property

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. We can only hope the dumb fuck gunsel burned down his/her own home. . . . . nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

9. But guns make us safer, right?

[SergeStorms]

13. Send the bill....

to that other draft dodger, Wayne LaPierre. The NRA has enough money to rebuild everything 100X over.

[Sunlei]

17. guns even an ATV driven over dry tinder will start a fire. our DOI doesn't seem to use gov satellite

to catch abuse of our public lands.

[Hoyt]

29. And if they tried to restrict guns when it's too dry, gunners would whine like babies.

[Sunlei]

32. pitiful,gives legitimate hunters a bad name. They may know on whose 'private land' fire started.

Here in Texas it's even worse, its legal to ride in helicopters and machine gun wildlife without even using the kills for food. Can see the choppers raising dust, blowing trees and rich guys shooting hundreds of rounds, shells ejecting to the ground. Dead animals left all over.

[Hoyt]

33. Wow. It may be legal, but it ain't moral or something I'd do.

[NotASurfer]

18. Or as the NRA might spin it

Guns: it there anything (destructive) they can't do?

I mean, not only can a high-powered assault rifle bring down and tenderize dinner, it can start the campfire - never mind the collateral damage either way

[HAB911]

20. Good guy just exercising his constitutional rights

I'm sure he will whine

[vkkv]

21. While conservatives attempt to restrict the 1st Amendmend, the 2nd's rights burned up 63 homes and

another 60 out buildings.

120 (+) square miles burnt at a cost that's going to be a few hundred million to taxpayers.

What has the 1st Amend ever cost us in real dollars ??