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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:05 PM Aug 2017

Trump to cut pay raises for government workers

Source: MSN/The Hill

President Trump sent a letter to Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) on Thursday announcing his intention to cut pay raises for civilian government workers.

In the letter, Trump cited his authority in times of "national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare" to make adjustments to the 2018 pay schedule for federal employees.

Under the previous plan, workers were scheduled for a 1.9 percent bump. Trump will use his authority to lower that to 1.4 percent.

"We must maintain efforts to put our Nation on a sustainable fiscal course," Trump wrote.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-cut-pay-raises-for-government-workers/ar-AAr3DUV?li=BBnb7Kz



Wow. Even as Trump bills the federal government, including the Secret Service that protects him, to facilitate his lavish lifestyle, Trump demands that civil servants take a pay cut in the midst of the economic boom that he brags about. Likewise, while he brags about the federal response to Harvey, he busily takes money out of the pockets of those people saving thousands of lives.

So, do they get a raise for a job well done? Nope. They get a pay cut, because everyone needs to sacrifice...to fund his tax cuts.

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Trump to cut pay raises for government workers (Original Post) TomCADem Aug 2017 OP
There goes that 'winning' again SummerSnow Aug 2017 #1
"national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare" Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #2
He wants to build his f'ing vanity wall by stiffing civil servants. Tanuki Aug 2017 #10
I wonder if the plan is to put Trump Motels every 100 miles along the wall?? Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #13
I thought the same thing. BadgerMom Sep 2017 #29
He probably thinks Hurricane Harve gives him a green light to do this. Chemisse Sep 2017 #32
Deconstruction of the administrative state proceeding as planned Freethinker65 Aug 2017 #3
Deconstruction of government and society, you mean sharedvalues Aug 2017 #16
Another dumb ass move he didn't have to make. mobeau69 Aug 2017 #4
You won't like Charles Blow's oped today sharedvalues Aug 2017 #17
This should be an OP, if it isn't already. longship Sep 2017 #31
This is the thanks civil servants get for helping in Texas SHRED Aug 2017 #5
No surprise. elleng Aug 2017 #6
It's destroying the federal pay scale and decreasing effectiveness of our government. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #18
That is more than teachers in San Diego got for 5 straight years. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #23
In fairness, he's NOT ordering a "pay cut", he's limiting a pay increase brooklynite Aug 2017 #7
Nothing is "fair"... SergeStorms Aug 2017 #9
Unless you propose to be a bad as he is, I'll have to expect a higher level of accuracy. brooklynite Aug 2017 #11
If the pay raise was a COLA (cost of living adjustment), Tanuki Aug 2017 #14
Not in real dollars. In nominal dollars. sharedvalues Aug 2017 #19
That sounds like Republican talk SHRED Aug 2017 #20
Exactly. If I tell you I will pay you $5000 and I give you $4000, that is not a "cut". R U kidding? Midnight Writer Sep 2017 #24
He ordered a pay cut Major Nikon Sep 2017 #27
Just when I think...... SergeStorms Aug 2017 #8
Well crap!! There goes my trip to the Maldives benld74 Aug 2017 #12
Well,Trump is offering free trips to Death Valley Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #15
Trump,Trump,Trump!!!!! Grassy Knoll Aug 2017 #21
What a fucking asshole PatSeg Sep 2017 #22
Isn't he bragging about all the jobs he is creating? keithbvadu2 Sep 2017 #25
If the Repugs treated their own bank accounts C Moon Sep 2017 #26
This from the guy who is on track to spend more taxpayer dollars on weekend vacations/golf in one jalan48 Sep 2017 #28
He's got walls and tax cuts for the rich to fund JDC Sep 2017 #30
What a fucking fucker BumRushDaShow Sep 2017 #33
The latest outrage. Hugin Sep 2017 #34
Writer must be new to covering federal pay issues jxla Sep 2017 #35
There is a national emergency but Trump will do nothing about it jmowreader Sep 2017 #36
Again,looking under couch cushions for ANYTHING to cut Bengus81 Sep 2017 #37

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
2. "national emergency or serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare"
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:14 PM
Aug 2017

he should be forced to list emergency or serious economic conditions
I guess he has been lying because he has said things were good

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
10. He wants to build his f'ing vanity wall by stiffing civil servants.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:27 PM
Aug 2017

He seems to think they work for *him* and he has a long history of stealing services of any worker he can steal from.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
29. I thought the same thing.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 01:46 AM
Sep 2017

What national emergency? What serious economic condition? These are reasonable questions about outrageous statements. If everything's as rosy as he paints it, why would this make any sense? If he can decide on his own that the nation is in a state of emergency of some kind and claim extraordinary powers, our representatives must demand an explanation. Push back, please! Outrage on the Dem blog isn't enough. What can be done?

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
16. Deconstruction of government and society, you mean
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:41 PM
Aug 2017

Deconstruction of government
Deconstruction of American society
- Government is the way we act as a society to achieve societal goals.

Don't use "administrative state" - that's a word that has bad connotations and helps the GOP.

"Government" "society" "state" - these words are all better.

mobeau69

(11,139 posts)
4. Another dumb ass move he didn't have to make.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:16 PM
Aug 2017

Seriously, he's down to just two groups left to piss off; the Klan and the Nazis.

Keep it up ass hole, you're doing just fine.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
17. You won't like Charles Blow's oped today
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:43 PM
Aug 2017

Keeping the Klan and the Nazis is the point:

How do you raise an army?

You do that by dividing America into tribes and, as “president,” aligning yourself with the most extreme tribe, all the while promoting militarization among people who support you.

Trump is playing an endgame. In the best-case scenario, these die-hards are future customers; in the worst, they are future confederates.

If these people should come to believe — as Trump would have them believe — that establishment systems have unfairly and conspiratorially acted to remove from office their last and only champion — another thing Trump would have them believe — what will they do?

What would Trump’s army do if he were compelled to leave but refused to graciously comply?



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/31/opinion/trump-harvey-storm-army.html

elleng

(130,861 posts)
6. No surprise.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:20 PM
Aug 2017

Sad history of federal pay raises.

* the last really, really big raise you got was 2.9 percent. And that was in 2009. After that the 2010 raise was 1.5 percent followed by goose egg (as in nothing) in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Three years, no pay raises. The non-raise in 2013 was followed by a 1 percent increase in 2014, another 1 percent in 2015 and yet another 1 percent last January. Some people got a bit more, thanks to locality pay, but not much more.'>>>

https://federalnewsradio.com/federal-report/2016/05/sad-history-of-federal-pay-raises/

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
18. It's destroying the federal pay scale and decreasing effectiveness of our government.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:44 PM
Aug 2017

People are being moved up the GS level just to get them more pay. And there's a limit at the top. Good people are leaving.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
23. That is more than teachers in San Diego got for 5 straight years.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 12:21 AM
Sep 2017

In fact we were told to be grateful to not get a pink slip and have double health insur costs. Also, we lose money we already paid into Social Security (SS offset) before entering teaching as well as no paid disability insur. through our employer. We pay for our own pension and no "double dipping" either. It isn't only the "poor uneducated, middle America 45 voters" who have to deal with this reality. There is a difference however. We do not use it as an excuse to make idiotic choices when we elect our reps and bitch and complain about the elite who are ripping us off.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
14. If the pay raise was a COLA (cost of living adjustment),
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:35 PM
Aug 2017

the overall effect would be reducing their relative income/economic standing. With the prospect of a steep rise in gas and its cascading effect (e.g., higher gas prices adding to the cost of trucked goods), none of which was factored into the orginal COLA, this will be even more disadvantageous and demoralizing.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
19. Not in real dollars. In nominal dollars.
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:44 PM
Aug 2017

In real dollars, a 0% raise would be a cut - because inflation reduces what a dollar can buy. Hence COLAs.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. He ordered a pay cut
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 01:24 AM
Sep 2017

Had he done nothing their pay would be 1/2 % higher, which can be quite significant over a career, so it's actually far worse than simply cutting a fixed amount for one year.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
8. Just when I think......
Thu Aug 31, 2017, 11:24 PM
Aug 2017

Trump is a total asshole, he comes up with something else that can be added to his sum total. As the old joke goes, I guess there's just no end to this prick.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
26. If the Repugs treated their own bank accounts
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 01:19 AM
Sep 2017

the way they treat the U.S.'s money, they would all be standing on the corners with signs.
Who the hell does Trump think he's kidding? He just wants more money for his upcoming war machine.

jalan48

(13,855 posts)
28. This from the guy who is on track to spend more taxpayer dollars on weekend vacations/golf in one
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 01:26 AM
Sep 2017

year than Obama spent in eight years.

JDC

(10,125 posts)
30. He's got walls and tax cuts for the rich to fund
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:05 AM
Sep 2017

Wonder what the rate of congressional wage/salary increase has been over the last several years.

This is what winning looks like I guess.

BumRushDaShow

(128,753 posts)
33. What a fucking fucker
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 07:51 AM
Sep 2017

Feds (including myself until this year) had 3 years WITHOUT any increase due to the Great Recession... and a couple more years of measly increases (generally 1% + fractions of a % for locality pay) after that. The Pay Comparability Act keeps getting shoved aside as fake "economic emergencies" get touted as the reason.

Because of Harvey, the federal civil servants will be working for years to deal with this catastrophe across many agencies not being mentioned in the news and he just told them fuck you.

Hugin

(33,112 posts)
34. The latest outrage.
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 08:33 AM
Sep 2017

I bet if he could have cut it all, He would have.

I guess no Feds are going to be buying any fucking $40 Dolt45 hats.

jxla

(201 posts)
35. Writer must be new to covering federal pay issues
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 12:34 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Fri Sep 1, 2017, 02:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Fortunately for federal employees,Trump's letter does not say what the writer thinks it does. I see he updated the article at 1:21 pm today, but he is still confused about locality pay. OPM has a handy calculator that lets you see how much difference there ibetween locality pay areas.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/2017/general-schedule-gs-salary-calculator/

https://federalnewsradio.com/your-money/2017/08/trump-sets-2018-pay-raise-for-federal-employees/
Most civilian federal employees will receive an average raise of 1.4 percent, with an additional 0.5 percent adjusted in locality pay for a total of a 1.9 percent.

https://www.fedsmith.com/2017/08/31/president-proposes-1-9-average-2018-federal-employee-raise/
President Trump has now issued the letter that verified his intent to move forward with an average raise in 2018 of 1.9%. In this letter, President Trump wrote:

"I have determined that for 2018, across-the-board pay increases will be 1.4 percent and locality pay increases will average 0.5 percent, resulting in an overall average increase of 1.9 percent for civilian Federal employees. I will specify locality pay percentages for each locality pay area by Executive Order before the first pay period in January 2018. These decisions will not materially affect our ability to attract and retain a well-qualified Federal workforce."

For those who pay close attention to this issue, you may recall that the average pay raise for 2018 amounts to 1.9%, as previously announced, and not 1.4%. The difference is locality pay. An additional amount of 0.5% was allocated to locality pay for 2018. The actual percentage of the 2018 raise will vary between different locality pay areas. The actual amount of the raise in locality pay areas may not be disclosed until December.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
36. There is a national emergency but Trump will do nothing about it
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 12:43 PM
Sep 2017

We have an insane Stalin wannabe in the White House.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
37. Again,looking under couch cushions for ANYTHING to cut
Fri Sep 1, 2017, 01:28 PM
Sep 2017

for his tax cuts for the RICH. This POS will GUT anything and everything to help pay for them. A "fiscal course" Donnie is to keep requiring that the ultra rich pay their FAIR SHARE.

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