40-year campaign to exhume baby's body produces empty coffin
Source: Guardian
A mother who campaigned for more than 40 years to find out what happened to her dead babys remains has found out his coffin was buried without a body inside.
Lydia Reid, 68, was given a court order for the exhumation of the grave of her son Gary, who died at the Royal Hospital for Sick Children in Edinburgh in July 1975 aged seven days old. But no human remains were found.
The NHS in Scotland was forced to admit to having unlawfully retained about 6,000 organs and tissues in hospitals between 1970 and 2000, many of which belonged to children.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/01/40-year-campaign-to-exhume-babys-body-produces-empty-coffin
I wonder if Scotland has learned anything helpful after years of testing human tissue? Any big breakthroughs from all this? If this was in America there would be MANY lawsuits.
sandensea
(21,596 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)I think organ donation should be mandatory.
My box has been checked since I was 16. Never made sense to me why someone would not want their organs to help someone else after they were dead.
That said pretty shitty what this hospital did.
sandensea
(21,596 posts)Just be careful in certain places like Thailand or Brazil, where organs from healthy individuals (particularly if white) can have quite a price tag on them.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Most of my organs are weird purple-brown, brick-red or sidewalk-gum-pink.
Whew!
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)meadowlander
(4,387 posts)Not that I think that's a particularly good reason not to donate your organs, but I also don't think the state should be telling people what to do with their body parts, particularly when it is anathema to their religious convictions.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Some are followed see aren't. I don't have a lot of patience for religion being the excuse.
I get it but I don't really accept it as a valid reason unless you are strictly following everything in the stupid book. Like stoning your wife and whatever other goofy things that are ignored.
When it is the word of God I lose all respect when it is selectively believed. Don't want them messing with my body because God but I will have an affair god didn't really mean that....
Religion has it's place and gives many peace but using it as an excuse to ignore good science is where I lose religion
Often it is just cherry picked to support whatever you happen to be engaged in at the moment.
meadowlander
(4,387 posts)which is why I said above I don't think religion is a good reason not to donate our organs.
However, I also don't think it is the place of the government to make organ donation "mandatory" as you suggest, in part because I don't think the state should have the power to dictate how people dispose of their own bodies. The point about religion is simply to provide an example of some groups that would be disadvantaged if the state did have that power.
Frankly, even as an atheist, I would be squicked out by a requirement to donate my body to science after I die with no say in how it would be used. Who knows what medical students get up to. I'm an organ donor and would consider donating my body to science but only under certain specific conditions which I think I have the right to negotiate without government interference.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Did not mean that to be directed at you. Just religion in general.
I hear you and I get it freaks folks out. Just find the organ donation part odd. Wouldn't suggest the entire body is donated to science but organ donation seems like a no brainier to me.
Do not really expect anyone to agree as people get weird about it . Just personally never understood why you would not want a part of your death to give someone else more life.
xor
(1,204 posts)I mean, assuming there isn't any widespread shadiness in which hospitals are quicker to declare someone dead just so they can harvest their organs. Not sure if that's something that is an irrational concern, or if it's something that happens.
If it was mandatory then I would think that would reduce the motivations behind any such activities.
LisaL
(44,972 posts)I don't see why someone should be forced to donate.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)had a little help.
Very troubling.
Stuart G
(38,410 posts)The story might be the same, but this is the home town of the event, perhaps there is more news than is in the OP...What a horrific story..
Stuart G
(38,410 posts)This story has a little more information..might be worth looking at, short article easy read.
Also, more information on what might have happened to the baby..something about body parts being stored in 25 hospitals around the UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/01/mother-finds-babys-coffin-empty-42-year-battle-discover-happened/
Stuart G
(38,410 posts)pictures of what was found inside the coffin....It is the most inclusive of the articles..but I got to leave this one ...It is a sickening story.....Below is the BBC link
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-41122888
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)My hearts goes out to this woman.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Transplants weren't done that far back, so there was no medical use for them. It's not like they could have sold kidneys for transplant unless they were heavily invested in dead baby futures.
Gore1FL
(21,095 posts)I suspect research was the primary use, however.
https://organdonor.gov/about/facts-terms/history.html
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)MontanaMama
(23,294 posts)for Ms. Reid's profound loss. It seems she lost her son Gary twice. The fact that she suspected he wasn't in his casket all these years must have been torture for her.
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)If people want to donate their body knowingly, that is one thing. But to do this without her knowledge is the crime here.
packman
(16,296 posts)She was shown the body of a baby - perhaps not hers. Forgive me for saying, but a person that wanted a baby and had enough money ---
LisaL
(44,972 posts)"This baby was blond and big, my baby was tiny and dark-haired. This was not my son."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-41122888
csziggy
(34,131 posts)That is how the HeLa line of cells was obtained - without the patient or the family consenting to the taking or the use.
Journalist Rebecca Skloots new book investigates how a poor black tobacco farmer had a groundbreaking impact on modern medicine
By Sarah Zielinski
smithsonian.com
January 22, 2010
Medical researchers use laboratory-grown human cells to learn the intricacies of how cells work and test theories about the causes and treatment of diseases. The cell lines they need are immortalthey can grow indefinitely, be frozen for decades, divided into different batches and shared among scientists. In 1951, a scientist at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, created the first immortal human cell line with a tissue sample taken from a young black woman with cervical cancer. Those cells, called HeLa cells, quickly became invaluable to medical researchthough their donor remained a mystery for decades. In her new book, The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks, journalist Rebecca Skloot tracks down the story of the source of the amazing HeLa cells, Henrietta Lacks, and documents the cell line's impact on both modern medicine and the Lacks family.
Who was Henrietta Lacks?
She was a black tobacco farmer from southern Virginia who got cervical cancer when she was 30. A doctor at Johns Hopkins took a piece of her tumor without telling her and sent it down the hall to scientists there who had been trying to grow tissues in culture for decades without success. No one knows why, but her cells never died.
Why are her cells so important?
Henriettas cells were the first immortal human cells ever grown in culture. They were essential to developing the polio vaccine. They went up in the first space missions to see what would happen to cells in zero gravity. Many scientific landmarks since then have used her cells, including cloning, gene mapping and in vitro fertilization.
There has been a lot of confusion over the years about the source of HeLa cells. Why?
When the cells were taken, they were given the code name HeLa, for the first two letters in Henrietta and Lacks. Today, anonymizing samples is a very important part of doing research on cells. But that wasnt something doctors worried about much in the 1950s, so they werent terribly careful about her identity. When some members of the press got close to finding Henriettas family, the researcher whod grown the cells made up a pseudonymHelen Laneto throw the media off track. Other pseudonyms, like Helen Larsen, eventually showed up, too. Her real name didnt really leak out into the world until the 1970s.
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/henrietta-lacks-immortal-cells-6421299/#H4TePrOf5eHGBGZV.99
Posted on March 9, 2010 by Claire Devine
To doctors, the HeLa cell line is an invaluable tool in the treatment of disease; to the Lacks family, it is an invaluable piece of their mother. The HeLa cell line, the first immortal cell line, is the solution to overcoming many impediments in biomedical research, and a key tool in developing certain cures and drugs that have the potential to improve the lives of millions of people. That collection of cells derives from the now-deceased Henrietta Lacks, an African-American mother from Baltimore, Maryland, kept alive for decades without her childrens knowledge or permission. The shock and discomfort they felt upon learning of this, coupled with the lack of any disclosure, seeking of informed consent on the part of HeLa cell researchers, or share of the vast financial benefit that accrued to the physicians and researchers, serves as an emotional counterbalance to the utility these cells represent. Her cells story raises many difficult questions regarding tissue rights, including questions about ownership rules, the role of informed consent, and the fair distribution of profit. Do patients still own tissue cells once they have been removed from their bodies? Do doctors have the duty to ensure their patients understand that these cells may be cultured and preserved, and to share any profits from selling the cells?
HeLas Immortal Cell Lines
The development of immortal cell lines led to major improvements in research and experimentation; unlike most cells, these cells do not die of old age. Immortal cell lines are significant because of their ability to grow indefinitely and to survive being divided and shared; these traits allow scientists to engage in more productive research. Scientists created the first immortal cell line, dubbed HeLa, almost 60 years ago, in the 1950s. Since then, scientists have used HeLa cells to develop the polio vaccine, as well as drugs that treat Parkinsons disease and leukemia. Scientists even sent cells from the line into space to aid in research on the effects of zero gravity on human tissue. Overall, scientists have produced more than two thousand pounds of these cells, the sales of which have generated millions in profits.
The Personal Side to the Story
Recently, renewed interest in this cell line has focused on its origin rather than its results. In this case, scientists named HeLa cells after the patient in whom they first found them: Henrietta Lacks. Lacks suffered from a particularly virulent strain of cervical cancer and, after unsuccessful radium treatment, died in 1951 at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Maryland. Without Lacks knowledge or consent, her doctor shared a sample of her tumors with a researcher, Dr. George Gey, intent on developing an immortal cell line. With Lacks tumor cells, the researcher succeeded in making the line that led to medical advancements and high profits.
This behind-the-back cellular research and development story has recently become the subject of controversy. Tissue rights scholars now question whether or not patients should retain any control over cells removed from their body. Currently, cells be bought and sold without the patients permission, but tissue rights advocates suggest that these often-unwitting donors deserve a share in the profits their cells eventually reap.
http://stlr.org/2010/03/09/tissue-rights-and-ownership-is-a-cell-line-a-research-tool-or-a-person/