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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 01:14 PM Sep 2017

Calling Nurse A 'Hero,' Utah Hospital Bars Police From Patient-Care Areas

Source: NPR

The Salt Lake City hospital where a police officer roughly arrested a nurse who was protecting her patient's rights in July will no longer allow law enforcement agents inside its patient care areas. They'll now have to check in, rather than enter through the emergency room.

"Law enforcement who come to the hospital for any reason involving patients will be required to check in to the front desk of the hospital," said chief nursing officer Margaret Pearce of the University of Utah Hospital. "There, a hospital house supervisor will meet the officers to work through each request."

Hospital officials say they created the policy one day after the July incident in which nurse Alex Wubbels refused to allow a police investigator identified as Jeff Payne to get a blood sample from a patient who was injured in a deadly collision with another driver. Wubbels was following the hospital's policy (and a recent Supreme Court decision) that requires either a warrant, the patient's consent, or the patient being under arrest for such a sample to be obtained legally.

Last year, the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourth Amendment bars blood tests from being obtained without a warrant in drunken-driving cases.

Read more: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/05/548601099/calling-nurse-a-hero-utah-hospital-bars-police-from-patient-care-areas?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170905

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Calling Nurse A 'Hero,' Utah Hospital Bars Police From Patient-Care Areas (Original Post) Julian Englis Sep 2017 OP
Kick and Recomend and Thank you! Tribalceltic Sep 2017 #1
patient who was injured in a deadly collision with another driver. --do not forget, the man who niyad Sep 2017 #2
Yep. The cops were trying to duck responsibility christx30 Sep 2017 #5
and that bastard is still drawing a salary. makes me sick. niyad Sep 2017 #6
I'm ok with that part. christx30 Sep 2017 #15
you make a very interesting suggestion there. my problem with him getting his salary is that niyad Sep 2017 #21
Way too many cops are like this Payne guy. Ligyron Sep 2017 #3
When I hear or read of someone so belligerant and hostile in their work environment, No Vested Interest Sep 2017 #7
Indeed. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2017 #16
I would almost lay money on him being an abuser at home. niyad Sep 2017 #22
I've heard nurses say aggressive cops are quite common IronLionZion Sep 2017 #4
Iam of the opinion cops do this often BUT this time............. Old Vet Sep 2017 #12
"Other hospitals will likely want to adopt similar policies to prevent police overreach" left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #8
In my experience ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #9
This is an appropriate move Gothmog Sep 2017 #10
I won't be happy until "Officer" Jeff Payne is in jail, with no more law enforcement career. (nt) Paladin Sep 2017 #11
Agreed Egnever Sep 2017 #14
Stripped of his pension The Wizard Sep 2017 #19
If it were not for body cams Mr.Bill Sep 2017 #13
I think it would be highly interesting to file for discovery or FOIA on the other officer's reports AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #17
If she sues, I'm sure that will happen. Mr.Bill Sep 2017 #18
and I wonder how many complaints from citizens are in payne's file. niyad Sep 2017 #23
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME............... raven mad Sep 2017 #20

niyad

(113,576 posts)
2. patient who was injured in a deadly collision with another driver. --do not forget, the man who
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 01:18 PM
Sep 2017

was injured was injured as a result of a high-speed police chase, in which he was an innocent bystander. the way the sentence reads, he was involved, and he wasn't. that needs to be made clear in every single relating of this story.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
5. Yep. The cops were trying to duck responsibility
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 01:31 PM
Sep 2017

by trying to find something, anything to say the driver was partially at fault.
Thank goodness for that nurse. And for her, thank goodness for video cameras, and the internet. 20 years ago, her life and career would be ruined for standing up and doing the right thing. Now we just need to prosecute this cop, and the other ones for standing around and not doing anything to stop this tragedy.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
15. I'm ok with that part.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:18 PM
Sep 2017

if he's found innocent (not sure why he would be, but it's always a possibility), he doesn't get to sue the city for his back pay and damages, which would cost even more money. It's kind of like 'go away money'.
Personally, I think any damages the nurse gets should come out of the police retirement fund. That way, good cops that work hard to serve their communities will have skin in the game, and won't let POS like this bad cop get away with everything. The bystanders will get in there and stop bad behavior.

niyad

(113,576 posts)
21. you make a very interesting suggestion there. my problem with him getting his salary is that
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 11:46 AM
Sep 2017

we have seen far too many officers found "innocent" of heinous behaviour.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
3. Way too many cops are like this Payne guy.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 01:21 PM
Sep 2017

Don't you dare challenge my authority even if the law and everything else says otherwise.

I hope he loses his job in law enforcement. There are already enough bad apples in that bunch.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
7. When I hear or read of someone so belligerant and hostile in their work environment,
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:07 PM
Sep 2017

I wonder what they're like in the home and as a neighbor.
Likely as bad or worse.

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
4. I've heard nurses say aggressive cops are quite common
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 01:29 PM
Sep 2017

usually the circumstances are that they want evidence against a suspect, not an innocent bystander. This one happened to be caught on video and made public

Record the police! (yes, they've been shooting people who record them) but they still need to be recorded.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
12. Iam of the opinion cops do this often BUT this time.............
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:22 PM
Sep 2017

It was on videotape, The person arrested was female and white. Had this been on a highway somewhere the driver would of been black and the cop would bring out there famous sentence "I smell pot" which gives the cops the go ahead to do just about anything they want. And nobody would of heard a peep about a citizen being violated again, IMHO

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
8. "Other hospitals will likely want to adopt similar policies to prevent police overreach"
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:08 PM
Sep 2017

The Salt Lake City Police Department says it suspended Payne from its "blood draw program"

(We slapped him on the wrist and called him a naughty boy)



Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
13. If it were not for body cams
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 02:50 PM
Sep 2017

that RN would have been charged with resisting arrest, and assaulting a police officer. And every cop who was there would swear to it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
17. I think it would be highly interesting to file for discovery or FOIA on the other officer's reports
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:36 PM
Sep 2017

from that incident and compare to the video.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
18. If she sues, I'm sure that will happen.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 03:53 PM
Sep 2017

But they will put up a legal fight about it, unless they just decide to fire him and throw him under the bus, as they should.

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