Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten granted parole by California board

[freddyvh]

Source: KTVU

Leslie Van Houten, the youngest of Charles Mason's murderous followers, has been granted parole by a California board.

Van Houten, who was 19 when she killed for Manson in 1969, appeared before a parole panel for the 21st time Wednesday.

Gov. Jerry Brown now has a 120-day period to affirm, reverse or take no action on the decision.

Read more: http://www.ktvu.com/news/279099552-story

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What will Jerry Brown do?

[uppityperson]

1. here's a link, no story yet

http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Charles-Manson-follower-Leslie-Van-Houten-granted-12178304.php

[still_one]

2. Governor Jerry Brown will be the one to decide whether she should be released from prison after 40

years. Brown rejected her release last year.

[LenaBaby61]

60. Brown rejected her release last year.

Wish he'd keep her in, but he'll probably let her out.

[still_one]

61. I wouldn't even venture a guess what he will do

[janterry]

3. Good, it's time

but Brown will veto it................

[WinkyDink]

5. "It's time"? For a very sick and twisted murder, complete with post-mortem atrocities? Don't bother

with a reply. I'm cruel and heartless, and you're not. Got it.

[janterry]

6. Yes

that's what I believe (as does the parole board)

[yallerdawg]

9. Do we believe in justice and mercy...

or just punishment and revenge?

We call them our Department of Corrections. If we don't believe in correction, we should change the name.

[7962]

15. Justice & mercy are not always interchangeable.

Hopefully Brown turns her down.
Send a message to all the other poor impressionables out there who might savagely murder someone to impress another

[yallerdawg]

20. A message?

We imprison more people than any other country.

While punishment and revenge might be interchangeable, justice and mercy go hand in hand in an enlightened society.

[Lucky Luciano]

28. Ok in order to reduce prison populations, let's release low level drug offenders...

...and keep cold blooded savage murderers locked up forever.

[Major Nikon]

30. I've got a better idea

How about we release all drug offenders who should never have been there in the first place. It would be a good start and really has nothing to do with violent offenders.

As far as the rest of the prison population goes, they should be locked up for exactly how long it benefits society and no longer. Other, more civilized countries have long abandoned the US's backwards ideas on capital punishment and indefinite incarceration.

[mountain grammy]

49. Yes, this is true.

Keeping her in prison really serves no purpose, but we Americans love our revenge. Maybe cause we're such a Christian nation?

[Major Nikon]

53. Possibly

For whatever reason Americans seem to always collectively think there's always a simple solution to complicated problems, which explains why DT is so popular.

[mountain grammy]

54. And that too. So very true.

[duhneece]

72. Yep nt

[Honeycombe8]

56. The purpose of prison is not just to protect society. It's for punishment.

I know that these days there is this view that punishment should go unserved, if someone says "oopsies!" But a life sentence for an intentional, senseless, cruel murder of an innocent person is a just punishment, IMO. Punishment. That's why she's where she is. Justice. Justice for society, to punish a criminal for doing the unthinkable to an innocent person.

Let's not forget this wasn't a killing in defense, or out of passion, or accidental. She wasn't even assigned by Manson to be involved. She ASKED to be involved in the murders. Then she giggled about it on the witness stand.

This was no ordinary person who did something bizarre because of drugs. She's where she should be.

[Major Nikon]

66. The purpose of prison is just to protect society

Punishment is a means to that end, but should never be mistaken for the only solution. Punishment should end when it ceases to serve to protect society. It really is just that simple. Anything else is counterproductive.

[Honeycombe8]

69. Actually, no. The purposes of prison include accountability for a crime.

Even if someone kills another person out of revenge, that person goes to prison, even though the killer won't be killing anyone else. He goes to prison to be accountable for his crime. For justice for the victim.

[Major Nikon]

73. Accountability protects society

Which still goes back to the reason why we have prisons is to protect society. It's just that simple.

[mountain grammy]

74. agree..

[7962]

91. The prison population has nothing to do with releasing murderers.

Plenty of deserving people can be released to lighten the population.
SHE isnt one of them. She's a violent killer and would be made a star by the still-deluded followers of Manson. yes, they're out there & easy to find.
She shouldve been given the needle and we wouldnt be having this discussion. Much deserved.

[USALiberal]

33. Yea, crazy people evaluate parole periods and jail time when deciding to murder someone. FFS! n/t

[Honeycombe8]

57. She wasn't crazy. Just evil. nt

[treestar]

106. 40 years in prison from age 20

is a message. She's just no danger at this point.

[7962]

120. No longer being a danger isnt the point. Murderers of this type shouldnt get out.

[Honeycombe8]

55. It's called punishment and justice for a reason. There's no correcting what she did.

She's a few years older than I am. I was familiar with the drug scene in those days, although I was very young. No one...NO ONE...who is a half decent, halfway normal person would ever participate in what she participated in, no matter the drugs involved, no matter a guru like guy, no matter what.

She didn't kill someone in defense, or because of mistaken identity, or by accident. What she did was calculated, brutal, caused Mrs. Labianca extreme suffering, and was evil.

She already got to spend years in prison instead of being executed. She needs to fulfill her punishment.

[duhneece]

71. What we now know about brain development and the lack of consequential ...

decision making until closer to 25 makes me believe that it is possible she has been 'corrected' and is no longer a threat to my life, so that keeping her locked up like a dangerous animal is now revenge, not community reconciliation. I'm with you, yallerdawg.

[BigDemVoter]

63. I agree.

She has already give her entire life up for this, and she really should have. At this point, it's like beating a dead horse--

[Warpy]

34. She's 68. Her term was life WITH the possibility of parole, not life without parole

She is extremely unlikely to turn to crime at this stage. She is not a threat to anyone any longer.

It was determined at her trial that between her youth and her drug addled state, she had sharply diminished capacity to make decisions. Unfortunately, there was also a media circus that pointed out that a manslaughter conviction with time served could put her on the street within a year and that is the main reason for the first degree murder conviction.

Whether she lives her life in prison or in a halfway house (the likeliest option), the people Manson ordered killed are not going to come back. She's spent 49 years trying to atone for being a follower. That's a life. It's enough.

[leftynyc]

95. Actually I think she got the death penalty

which was commuted to life when the supreme court had decided the DP violated the 8th amendment.

[Warpy]

102. She also had more than one trial

since other witnesses came forward to say which drugs she'd been given before she was taken to the La Bianca house and what threats she was under if she didn't comply with what others ordered her to do.

Her whole situation was beyond sad and she's been a model prisoner for 49 years. She's given her life. It's enough.

[Midnight Writer]

78. Yeah, when you hang a pregnant woman from the ceiling and cut the child out of her body, just fer

shits and giggles, that should be your last chance at living among the rest of us. Forever.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

81. I am pretty sure that didn't happen.

Or at least I never heard about that before.

[Midnight Writer]

83. You are right. She had been dragged around by the noose around her neck, her breast was removed,

and her stomach slashed through and the baby killed. Sorry for my previous misstatement.

I get a little tetchy about these things.

[leftynyc]

96. No - she wasn't there for the Tate murders

but she still got the death penalty for the LaBianca (I think that was the name, apologies if not) murders. She already got a break when they commuted her sentence to life.

[Warpy]

87. first, she wasn't there

Second, it didn't happen that way. Looks like you've got some reading to do.

[treestar]

107. You're thinking of Susan Atkins

who died in prison.

[nini]

86. Looks like people dont care how absolutely heinous those murders were

I remember all that happening. It stii creeps me out.

That and Richard Ramirez night stalker stuff were not routine run of the mill killings. These are dangerous people.

[nini]

76. Look up some of the crime scene photos

.. she's fine where she's at.

[Skittles]

79. I agree

[WinkyDink]

4. Story true. But Brown will put the kibosh on the parole.

[ripcord]

7. The goal of the Manson family was to start a race war

Pardon me if my sympathy meter isn't registering.

[aeromanKC]

23. What Manson Started

Trump and his Deplorables have taken mainstream.

[Major Nikon]

39. Calling it sympathy is a wingnut talking point and intellectually bankrupt

It's also commonly used in half-fast strawman pro-DP "logic".

Sympathy has nothing to do with it, but ironically emotional arguments have pretty much everything to do with those who support the DP and indefinite incarceration as they have little to no hard evidence to cite.

[Honeycombe8]

58. He said he wanted to start a race war. But seems like jealousy & revenge were part of it.

Several of the people killed had connections to people he had known in connection w/his attempt to break into the music scene (he'd failed at getting into the music scene).

[dawn frenzy adams]

8. I don't know. But...

Whether it's a religious cult or whatever, they typically cannot function without the exploitation of women and children. I think Van Houten is a warning to young women who fall prey to the likes of Manson. Perhaps, if she is freed she could tour schools and colleges.

[7962]

17. These days, the opposite would probably happen.

she'd become a star to the twisted idiots out there. There are still PLENTY of people who think Manson is cool. Only a few years ago a woman was going to marry him.

[FLPanhandle]

10. This is why I still support the Death Penalty

People say replace it with "Life in Prison", which many of us could get behind, but then they move the goal posts to "Oh, they have been in prison long enough, let them out".

[7962]

18. And thats exactly what is already starting to happen;

"oh, he/she is 74 now and no threat to society" or whatever other excuse. Death within a year for people like her. guilty with ZERO DOUBT. Only those cases. ZERO DOUBT.

[BigmanPigman]

19. I would support the death penalty for Manson

but he actually WANTS that. He has said so many times over the years. He has spent 75% of his life in prison. The death penalty is only useful for those who do not want it. Many criminals would rather die than spend life in jail so for them life in jail is a better punishment.

[USALiberal]

37. OK, so some deserve it and some don't, I get it. n/t

[ProgressiveValue]

46. What happens when they catch on to your plan?

"So if I say I'd rather have death, they'll lock me up for life. Fine, I'll say I'm scared to death of the death penalty and would rather have life, that way they'll think they are punishing me when they give me what I secretly really want; the death penalty."

[BigmanPigman]

48. That is what happened to one of those female murderers.

I think it was that lady that murdered her boyfriend while he was showering. At first she said she would rather have death then she changed her mind when they took her seriously.

[Major Nikon]

32. Meanwhile Norway did away with both with far greater success

While the DP and life in prison might help you sleep better at night, it's counterproductive to the betterment of society.

[Honeycombe8]

59. Norway is a tiny country with a low crime rate. Very different.

I wonder how understanding they'd be, if they had repeat offenders roaming the streets at night to kill innocent people brutally, and make them suffer first, just for funsies? That's what we have.

And the leading cause of death of pregnant women being murder.

And one serial murder after another...where men spend decades hunting women down like animals, enjoying the hunt, the end game being the kill and the saving of a souvenir. Maybe even posing their bodies for whoever finds them.

Or college guys who rape the girl in their group because she got drunk and can't resist. And then videotape it and put it on the internet. Fun!

No...I think our country is a little different from Norway. Compared to the U.S., murder in Norway is practically nonexistent.

[Major Nikon]

65. Kinda like saying the answer to a concussion problem is to get bigger bats

The reason Norway has a low crime rate is because they have been taking positive steps for decades to address the underlying causes of crime rather than just focusing on the symptoms in hopes that somehow the forces of cause and effect will somehow reconcile by really wishing it would.

[Honeycombe8]

68. No. It's because it's a tiny country w/o a big crime problem.

Norway didn't used to have a big crime problem that they took care of. It has NEVER had a big crime problem.

Its history is very different from America's. Its size is very different, too. Its crime rate and kinds of crimes are different, as well.

[Major Nikon]

70. By crime index they are 47th compared to 44th for the US

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

[customerserviceguy]

67. Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik

killed off dozens of young people who would have been that country's progressive leadership of tomorrow? And he only got 21 years in the slammer?

They should slowly torture him to death, but Norway's way too weenified for that.

[leftynyc]

97. Seriously?

NOT torturing people to death doesn't make you weenified, it makes you NOT isis.

[customerserviceguy]

98. I was being facetious

But somewhere between ISIS and what Norway did in this case is a happy medium out there.

[leftynyc]

101. Agree

Live without parole qualifies because that slime has no business breathing free air again. Neither does Van Houton for that matter.

[customerserviceguy]

126. We can both agree on both points. n/t

[USALiberal]

36. Wow, I guess you admire the other countries who love the DP? China and Iran are the top 2! Congrats.

[Major Nikon]

40. Don't forget Saudi Arabia

[7962]

121. I wouldnt make US law based on what other countries do or dont do.

The US is a fairly unique country. For whatever reason, you dont see savage murders such as this very often in other civilized countries.

[Xolodno]

84. Death is too dignified for monsters.

Life without the possibility of Parole should be just that. Lock them up and throw away the key. I don't care if they are 100+ years old in prison, too frail to whack someone with their cane let alone kill someone...Keep them locked up, let them know they could have lived 100+ years in freedom, a productive life, family, etc. They took the opportunity for someone else away, their opportunity should also be taken away.

Can they be forgiven? Sure. But, that doesn't mean you should be released. If anything, speak out, write, etc. against the deeds done. Tell people, you follow my path, this is where you end up.

[Jake Stern]

11. It's purely political.

Brown has let some nasty bastards go free so any crap he'll invariably utter to justify keeping Van Houten in prison will ring hollow;

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1400-lifers-released-from-california-prisons-in-last-3-years/

Ernest Morgan on the other hand, is a lifer Brown did let free.

Morgan, a San Francisco man convicted of the shotgun slaying of his 14-year-old stepsister burglarizing the family home, was turned down for parole five times before the board granted him parole, only to be overruled by Schwarzenegger.

Schwarzenegger wrote that Morgan posed "a current, unreasonable risk to public safety." And he noted that Morgan had at one point claimed that the shotgun had gone off accidentally, although he later acknowledged his guilt to the parole board.

[applegrove]

12. Boooo!

[forgotmylogin]

13. Is she still dangerous? (n/t)

[Skittles]

80. she hasn't been dangerous for over 40 years

[madaboutharry]

14. She has been in prison for nearly 50 years.

I don't see how she is a threat to society. She has been a model prisoner and has consistently expressed deep remorse and horror for her actions. She's 68 years old now. There comes a point when incarceration becomes political rather punishment.

[Chemisse]

47. I totally agree. n/t

[MFM008]

16. Only she should get parole.

It's been 50 years.
Labianca was already dead when she
Mutilated the body.
If OJ can get out. Let her out.
The rest forget about. ..

[Drahthaardogs]

89. OJ was convicted for armed robbery. He was acquitted

For murder. This is not a good comparison

[MFM008]

117. I know

Heck everyone knows.
But we also know he did it regardless of aquital.
Just because someone in a jury may not understand DNA doesn't mean it lies....
Other offenders would have gotten less time
But it was the only chance they had to make him do time.

[Drahthaardogs]

119. Yes, but still

It's not a good comparison

[LeftInTX]

21. Didn't she get parole last year and Brown turned it down?

[PatrickforO]

25. If he did it was an act of mercy.

See my post immediately below.

[obamanut2012]

22. s to let the Parole Board do their job

Like they did last time.

[PatrickforO]

24. Well, she's 67 and has made no contribution to Social Security.

Therefore, if actually paroled, she will end up homeless and living under a bridge because it will literally be impossible for a Manson follower who is almost 70 to get work. Release her now and the 48 years she's spent in prison will seem like paradise compared to the living hell she'll have on the outside. Hunger. Disease. Constant dirt. Exposure to elements. Physical danger.

Was 48 years in prison punishment enough? Because Van Hauten will now have absolutely nothing on the outside, unless she has family.

Just saying.

Fucking Manson. That piece of shit.

[janterry]

26. No, she won't

she submitted an appropriate release plan to the board (everyone who wants parole does)

[FLPanhandle]

31. She could make good money on the speaker curcuit

and books, writings, media, TV interviews.

I think she will profit nicely for her crimes.

[PatrickforO]

35. Hmm. I guess I'm a bleeding heart.

Van Houten was barely an adult when she fell in with Manson and Tex or whatever the hell his name was. She got brainwashed, and participated in something that killed innocent people, including a pregnant woman, and that ruined her life and the lives of the rest of the people Manson brainwashed.

I never understood why Manson and that Tex guy, as well as some of the women weren't executed. I know as 'good' Dems, we're supposed to be against the death penalty, but you know what? The mastermind who was trying to start a race war and incited the murders deserves to hang high.

But not, I think, Van Houten. Not after serving 47 years in prison.

[Midwestern Democrat]

45. They did get the death penalty in 1971, but the US Supreme Court ruled the death penalty

(as it was then administered) unconstitutional in 1972 which caused everyone on death row in America to have their sentences reduced to life imprisonment. (The death penalty was later allowed by the Supreme Court in 1976).

[Honeycombe8]

62. I remember those days, though I was young. NO ONE who was remotely normal...

and not evil would have done what she did.

Manson did not assign her to the murders. She asked to be involved in them. She was 19. Young, but an adult. I knew a lot of people messed up on drugs. NO ONE would have done what she did, no matter what.

She was evil. You have to have that in you, in order to do what she did. Mrs. Labianca was stabbed 47 times and certainly suffered, in great fear, before she died. Houton giggled about Mrs. Labianca on the witness stand.

Houton was not some innocent wayward girl who got in with a bad crowd and was influenced. No. I did drugs, was naive, messed around with some bad people...NO WAY would even I, who could be influenced, would ever have participated in cruelty toward a person, much less murder.

She's evil and is where she should be. In her punishment cell. For life.

As for her financial status, her family may take care of her. I believe they stayed in contact with her. The prison system may also have some program. Then there's Medicaid to provide health care (such as it is). If she can live somewhere free, by virtue of her family, get free healthcare, then all she'd need is a menial job to get by.

[treestar]

110. I don't think any of us can say

there is no way we would not have done it. It was the 60s. We don't know if we would have fallen in with the Manson crowd, or what we would have done.

[Honeycombe8]

123. Yes, I can. I KNOW for a fact that I would never ever NEVER EVER harm or kill anyone...

I don't care if I was drunk or on drugs. I don't have it in me to harm or kill anyone, except in self defense or the defense of others. Nothing, no drug, no drink, could put that evil thing in me.

That sort of thing is IN someone to begin with. Houton ASKED to be included in the murders. She wasn't even assigned to it. Then she giggled about it during trial.

No, she is not like most people. She's evil. She's not insane. She's evil. To know if someone is evil, you simply look at what they DO.

She should spend the rest of her life in prison, as punishment and justice for the murders, and for the cruelty and suffering that she caused Mrs. LaBianca. Mrs. LaBianca had a bag put on her head, neck tied to something with electrical cord, left to hear her husband scream as he was stabbed to death, and then Mrs. LaBianca was stabbed 47 times, as she slowly died.

I wouldn't do that to a pig, much less a person. She's evil.

[SethH]

38. she should do anti-drug PSA's n/t

[treestar]

109. She could do all that from jail

In fact I have seen interviews of her.

She could have written books already. Weren't there some laws passed that they can't benefit?

[LongTomH]

113. Aren't there laws preventing criminals from profiting from books, etc. about their crimes?

[JenniferJuniper]

42. She'll be fine. Books, speaking engagements but

I don't think Brown will ever let her out.

Personally, I think enough is enough. She committed a terrible crime when she was a teenager. She's an old lady now. Had she not been associated with Manson and committed the same crime she'd have been out by the early 1980's.

[fierywoman]

52. I knew her brother a long time ago in LA . sweet man.

[LovingA2andMI]

27. WOW....

Shocking....

[eppur_se_muova]

29. What do you mean, Aunt Leslie's coming to visit ?

[iluvtennis]

41. She murdered someone in cold blood and in my opinion should serve Life in Prison/no parole

[nini]

77. 16 stab wounds if I remember correctly

What kind of mind can do that?

To hell with her.

[WhoWoodaKnew]

43. Pic...

[link:|

[spike jones]

44. Degrees from Charles Manson

In 1970, I was hitch hiking from Lone Pine California to San Bernardino. I got a ride with a guy that said he was in the Inyo County jail for being drunk when Manson was caught. Manson was put in the cell next to his. They talked and the guy said that Manson seemed like a nice guy, very polite. That puts me two degrees of Manson, which, of course means nothing.
The origin of that conversation was that from 1969 to 1972, I looked exactly like Charles Manson.

[argyl]

50. She's been in prison for almost 50 years. She'll never murder again. Set her free.

[Honeycombe8]

51. He'll defer to the parole board. Which he shouldn't do, IMO. She should die in prison. nt

[mrmpa]

64. Try explaining this to the Pennsylvania inmate........

who when he was 17 was sentenced to life in prison, (in 1969)without the possibility of parole, for a murder, he says he did not do. This inmate appeared in front of a Judge (due to the supreme court's decision that juveniles could not be sentenced to life sentences).

The Judge resentenced him to 48 years to life. He has already spent 48 years in prison, he will be immediately up for parole, but since he will not admit his guilt, he will not be paroled.

WTF

[Gore1FL]

75. Parole boards exist for a reason.

If we aren't going to trust their findings, we shouldn't have them.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

82. The degree of cold-blooded and heartless

vengefulness expressed here is a bit scary.

She was 19. She was not a full adult. She's been in prison 50 years. She's not remotely a danger to anyone.

[nini]

85. Let me get this straight

Because i think someone who took part in murders one night, where a pregnant woman had her baby killed with a knife in utero , then the next night she stabbed someone 15 or so times isnt worthy of being let loose - I'm vengeful anld heartless?

Ok.

[iluvtennis]

88. +++ Agree with you. Guess I'm vengeful and heartless also in this instance. nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

99. Let me get this straight.

You don't believe anyone can ever reform. Or be forgiven for what they've done.

I believe in the possibility of redemption. I believe 50 years is long enough.

[nini]

100. To be clear

I am not always against parole.. I believe most people should be let go before they even are.

Not in this case. You don't do that crap by mistake or because you're young. There's something deep seeded in there to partake in those types of crimes.

[obamanut2012]

108. LVH had nothing to do with the Tate murders

And actually didn't kill anyone. She has served 50 years, much more than people who have committed similar crimes in CA, who serve an average of 18.75 years for a home invasion and single muredr, and there is no proof LVH even killed anyone.

She even lived a s a model citizen for several years between her trials.

[nini]

114. She was present at the Tate murders and watched all that go down

She then decided that must have been fun and then took part in the LaBianca murders. Now normal people would have been completely freaked out at the Tate events and ran for the hills, yet she went back for more - then took part.

"Van Houten stalked into the house of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca and participated in Rosemary's murder, stabbing her approximately 16 times"
https://www.biography.com/people/leslie-van-houten-20900729


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Van_Houten

Snippet: Van Houten then held LaBianca down while Krenwinkel tried to stab her in the chest, but the blade bent on LaBianca's clavicle. Van Houten called for assistance from Watson, who entered the bedroom and stabbed Rosemary LaBianca several times. He then found Van Houten, handed her the knife, and told her to "do something" (since Manson had instructed Watson to make sure everyone actively participated). Van Houten stabbed Rosemary's lower back and buttocks over a dozen times. Van Houten later told Dianne Lake that she had stabbed someone who was already dead. The autopsy indicated that some of the 47 stab wounds Rosemary suffered had been inflicted post-mortem.[3][18][33]

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Whether LaBianca was already dead at that point does not dismiss the insanity of what she did and who can say really who gave the blows that actually killed her - she still did what she did. There is a fundamental mental problem with people who go to that level in crimes and that doesn't go away. There are just some things so vile I don't agree to parole on. She'll get out this time I'd guess and let's hope she proves me wrong.

[ProgressiveValue]

94. Can you point that out in the law?

Where in the law is 19 not considered an adult? Also, I've never seen the legal term "full adult". The categories fall as a minor and adult, with adult being 18 or older. So where did you come up with this term of not a full adult and how does it carry any legal weight?

I very much dislike it when people start referring to suspects or victims in a case, depending on what side they fall on, as adults or children. Preteens suddenly become grown men and people in their 20s suddenly get referred to in terms of small children. Then those same people, in a different case, will suddenly reverse how they see those same age categories and the terms they use to describe them. All in order to frame a narrative.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

103. You are right that in the eyes of the law

anyone over 18 is an adult. But research shows that brains don't mature until age 25 or so. Anyone who has raised children to adulthood knows that.

Of course, this country cheerfully sentences juveniles to life in prison without parole, so clearly vengefulness is a strong part of our national personality.

I come down on the side of mercy. Oddly enough, I am not a Christian or a believer of any kind. I wonder how many here consider themselves Christians and are stating that this woman should die in prison. I don't see any aspect of mercy there.

[treestar]

111. Still a consideration

19 is different from 30.

[chelsea0011]

90. I am all for rehabilitation and parole but not in this case. This was a crime(s) of crazy

brutality. And as I read about her paroles hearings, it has always felt like she is never giving the full story to her involvement. However, I am not completely against being confines in a different prison and given some leeway to do community work during the day outside the prison under strict supervision.

[nini]

115. Exactly my view

This was no run of the mill murder here.

[Jarqui]

92. There is something seriously wrong with the make up of a person

who would assault a defenseless woman already wounded by a bayonet and 33 other stabbings by stabbing her 14 more times in the back.

She wasn't picked or forced to do the Labianca killings - she asked to go.

After her arrest, she defended Manson throughout much of the court action. She said she would have gone to jail for committing crimes even if she hadn't met Manson.

In my opinion, she deserves the same compassion she gave Rosemary LaBianca: none.

Generally, I'm not a fan of the death penalty but Manson is someone so evil, I could easily make an exception.

[Sunlei]

93. good record of behavior in prison, IMO she has earned parole.

[SHRED]

104. Fuck her

She deserves no freedom...ever.

Ms. Van Houten broke into the home of Leno & Rosemary LaBianca on August 10, 1969- after Charles Manson had gone into their home & tied the couple up. She placed a pillowcase over Mrs. LaBianca's head & tied it with a lamp chord. She held Mrs. LaBianca down so Patricia Krenwinkel could stab her. When the knife bent stabbing Mrs. LaBianca in the collar bone, Ms. Van Houten held Mrs. LaBianca down so Tex Watson could come in & stab her. Ms. Van Houten then stabbed Mrs. LaBianca in the lower back several times. Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed a total of 41 times. Words were written in blood on two walls & a refrigerator door. Ms. Van Houten then took a shower, stole one of Rosemary LaBianca's dresses to wear, & ate food from the victims' refrigerator before leaving.

https://www.change.org/p/ask-gov-brown-to-keep-charles-manson-cult-killer-leslie-van-houten-from-being-paroled

[nini]

116. Thanks for that link

Signed..

[treestar]

105. They should let her out

She's not a threat to anyone at this point. She had the least involvement.

[brooklynite]

112. "Thanks for subnmitting your resume, Ms. Van Houten..."

"Could you briefly summarize your adult work life?"

[Turbineguy]

118. 120 days?

By that time the trump administration will have appointed her "Secretary in charge of being nice to people".

[maxsolomon]

122. The Quality of Mercy is not strained...

The quality of mercy is not strained.
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings.
But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings;
It is an attribute of God himself;
And earthly power doth then show like God's
When mercy seasons justice.

[ellie]

124. I hope he

denies it. They all need to die in jail.