CNN exclusive: Joe Paterno may have known of earlier Jerry Sandusky abuse claim police report reveal
Source: CNN
CNN exclusive: Joe Paterno may have known of earlier Jerry Sandusky abuse claim, police report reveals
By Sara Ganim, CNN
Updated 10:21 AM ET, Sat September 9, 2017
(CNN)A police report obtained by CNN bolsters evidence that legendary football coach Joe Paterno knew years before Jerry Sandusky's arrest that his longtime assistant might be sexually abusing children.
The one-page Pennsylvania state police report, obtained from a source and described here for the first time, lays out an account from whistleblower Mike McQueary, who reported to Paterno an incident he had just witnessed in a locker room between Sandusky and a young boy. Paterno allegedly told McQueary in 2001 that the claim against Sandusky "was the second complaint of this nature he had received," according to the police report, which was written after Sandusky's arrest 10 years later.
McQueary's claim of abuse and other allegations led to Sandusky's conviction in 2012 for sexually abusing 10 boys over 15 years, including three victims after the 2001 locker room incident. He is serving a sentence of at least 30 years in prison. An appeal is pending.
The police report casts fresh doubt on the mountain of denials by Paterno, his family and his loyalists that the coach knew anything of Sandusky's serial molestation before the 2001 incident.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/09/us/penn-state-paterno-sandusky-police-report/index.html
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)And put it in Sandusky's cell with him. They can keep each other company.
underpants
(182,879 posts)Sorry I still call them that but I am careful who I say it around. The Ped Staters are rabid.
McQueary was indicative of the program. Former players so tied to Joe Pa that they were completely under his control and didn't even look for other jobs. Joe Pa has almost no "coaching tree". He hired for people to stay put and be at his will. This is NOT meant as an indictment of McQueary, he did what he was supposed to do - he took this to the highest power in the land not the President of the University not the Board of Regents not the cops he took it to Joe Pa. oh BTW McQueary has gotten another coaching job yet.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Fuck the middle of that state.
At least the southeast contributes something to this world.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)**Joe Paterno never had a day in court; he died before he had his say.
AND WHAT DO YOU CALL THESE SCHOOLS?
According to the NCAA, the schools with the most number of major infractions cases:
http://www.foxsports.com/other/story/schools-with-most-major-ncaa-infractions-092915
underpants
(182,879 posts)Tressel at Ohio State has to still be saying "WTF tattoos and I get 5 years?!?!"
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)Initech
(100,103 posts)You have to prioritize. A Division I football or basketball star might have sold a game worn jersey so his mother can pay her electric bill. That is way more important.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)you Paterno died before he could be so sworn.
"One important note: Pennsylvania State University does not appear on the list because the NCAA's punishment against it -- in the aftermath of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal -- was meted out not by the association's Committee on Infractions but
in an unprecedented move
by the association's leaders themselves.
The penalties were hotly debated by those who said the NCAA was sliding down a slippery slope in punishing members for no direct violations of the association's rules,
and they were later softened."
(Structure and bolding mine.)
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/11/96-division-i-colleges-violated-major-ncaa-rules-last-decade
The NCAA are just as bad as the NFL FIFA or the IOC. PED state is the only really big time football program in the northeast. Lots of eyeballs and wallets.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)are very similar in that nCAA makes big money off of a largely unpaid labor force (can't have a football game without football players like can't have a metro bus system without bus drivers) which is the only system like that they are really violating antitrust & labor laws but get away with it due to the term "student-athlete" which was created after they lost a court case in Denver where they had to pay workman's comp for an injured player.
Monopsony in College AthleticsPosner
The most common type of cartel is an agreement among competitors not to sell their product below a fixed price that will generate monopoly profits for the parties to the agreement. But another type of cartel, termed monopsonistic (from the Greek words for one and purchasing of food) rather than monopolistic (one seller, versus one buyer in a monopsonized market), is an agreement among competitors not to pay more than a fixed price for a key input, such as labor. By agreeing to pay less, the cartel purchases less of the input (and perhaps of lower quality), because less is supplied at the lower price (and suppliers may lower quality to compensate, by reducing their costs, for the lower price they receive).
The National Collegiate Athletic Association behaves monopsonistically in forbidding its member colleges and universities to pay its athletes. Although cartels, including monopsonistic ones, are generally deemed to be illegal per se under American antitrust law, the NCAAs monopsonistic behavior has thus far not been successfully challenged. The justification that the NCAA offersthat collegiate athletes are students and would be corrupted by being salariedcoupled with the fact that the members of the NCAA, and the NCAA itself, are formally not-for-profit institutions, have had sufficient appeal to enable the association to continue to impose and enforce its rule against paying student athletes, and a number of subsidiary rules designed to prevent the cheating by cartel members that plagues most cartels.
As Becker points out, were it not for the monopsonistic rule against paying student athletes, these athletes would be paid; the monopsony transfers wealth from them to their employers, the colleges. A further consequence is that college teams are smaller and, more important, of lower quality than they would be if the student athletes were paid.
One might ask why colleges choose to collude on the student athlete dimension rather than on some other dimension, such as tuitionagreeing to minimum tuition levels, or maximum scholarships. The answer I think lies in my earlier pointthe justification (specious though it may be) that paying student athletes would corrupt the educational process, an argument that draws on a tradition of admiration for amateurism even in adult athletic competition, as in tennis until 1968. Efforts to fix the price for a college education would encounter sharper antitrust challengesand indeed the Ivy League schools were forced by antitrust litigation to drop their attempt to limit competition in scholarship aid, a form of price fixingin effect colluding on tuition discounts, which is what a scholarship is.
College athletics would be less profitable for colleges if the student athlete market were competitive. If permitted, colleges would continue to agree to limit recruitment of athletes who could not satisfy degree requirements and to require athletes to attend classes and thus be bona fide students, because otherwise competition for the best athletes would tend to eliminate the student athlete; college teams would be largely composed of athletes who had no interest in or capacity to obtain a college education; awarding them a degree would be meaningless. The college would be engaged in a business unrelated to its academic mission and would thus have to pay taxes on its teams earnings. Worse, alumni donations to their alma mater, which are stimulated by the success of the colleges teams, would wilt if the teams were composed of non-students. If the University of Chicago bought the Chicago Bears, and renamed the team the University of Chicago Bears, would alumni of the University of Chicago write bigger checks to the University?
http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2011/04/monopsony-in-college-athleticsposner.html
The first fact he knew earlier is appalling.
The first time someones fails to reports something like this to authorizes maybe can be chalked up to denial. Not wanting to believe your friends of many years is a child rapist. Multiple accounts it is just horrific.
Archae
(46,347 posts)And his wife still says this too.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)FakeNoose
(32,756 posts)... as well as criminals.
Mrs. Sandusky should have been charged along with her husband. Some of the victims were their own (adopted) children. What monsters!
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Number 4 in the top 25.
Fuck Penn State
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Between that and the frat hazing murder, you've got quite a reputation as a shit school and a garbage program.
Trump's gonna put that statue back up for JoePed, it's no shock a bunch of Pedo State loving whack jobs would vote for that sex offender based on that promise alone.
Wuddles440
(1,127 posts)like someone that applied to Penn State for admission and got rejected. There was one offender and four enablers. All have been brought to justice for their transgressions, except for Paterno. Despite these incidents, the exceptional academic reputation of the institution has not been tarnished by the despicable actions of these individuals and it remains one of the elite universities in the nation. Just ask any guidance counselor or employer. There's a reason that they continue to lead the nation in applicants every year. It may be painful for you to accept, but that's the reality. Sometimes you just need get on with your life and don't continue to dwell on your past failures - it's not healthy.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Never applied nor ever considered going there. I must say you Penn Staters live in quite a fantasy land to think people who find pedophilia and its cover up distasteful are just "haters" or "jealous". You must be clueless if you think saying you went to Penn State outside of PA is said with pride these days.
Wuddles440
(1,127 posts)with all the sexual and pedophilic abuse sanctioned by the Catholic Church. Worse and more pervasive atrocities have occurred at other institutions, such as Notre Dame, but suppressed due to the influence of the corrupt Catholic Church in America.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Anything else?
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)You have a strange definition of elite
underpants
(182,879 posts)But $$$$$ and undying loyalty even on this thread.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)are right wing born again nut cakes, including their wrestling and baseball coaches.
NEVER SEND YOUR KIDS TO THAT SHITHOLE!!! NEVER!!!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)According to a Wall Street Journal survey released in September 2010, the university was ranked number 1 by 479 corporate recruiting executives who were asked to identify "whose bachelor degree graduates were the best-trained and educated, and best able to succeed once hired."[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_University#Rankings
VermontKevin
(1,473 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)football game? You know, for the best impact.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)underpants
(182,879 posts)They weren't ranked but that was a opening weekend lay-up game for a program like Baylor.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I remember the Women's BBall coach said to "punch" someone if the face if they said they wouldn't send their daughter to Baylor. I imagine she heard that a lot on her recruiting trails.
Freedomofspeech
(4,228 posts)It's also like the KKK there.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Too bad they couldn't both lose.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)I remember him campaigning for Reagan.
Asshole.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 9, 2017, 08:39 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm sure you also remember him laying into Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. I mean he REALLY laid into Bill Clinton talking about how he had no morals or ethics and that he was an embarrassment to this country (I bet he loved tRump though whose guilty of sexual assault--perhaps rape, tReason and IS the worst embarrassment this country ever had as a president).
Yet, it appears that he knew Sandusky was raping and injuring little boys and destroying their LIVES?
My friend said he hopes there was a seat in hell for Paterno.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)And that justice is being leveled on Asshole Joe posthumously with revelations like these.
May what remains of his reputation be entombed in a pile of shit.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Tell you what, there are STILL too many people defending him for my taste.
Here's hoping what you said is true: That what's left of his rep is entombed into a HUGE pile of ELEPHANT shit.....
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)The shit of those wonderful animals is way to good to waste on entombing his reputation.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Forgive me pennylane100
raven mad
(4,940 posts)UA is 2-1 vs. Penn State, since 1959.
(Sorry, my kid's a graduate..........)
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Timeline
http://www.npr.org/2011/11/08/142111804/penn-state-abuse-scandal-a-guide-and-timeline
1998
An 11-year-old boy returns home with wet hair after an outing with Sandusky. Victim 6 tells his mother he took a shower with Sandusky and that the coach hugged him several times. The boy's mother contacts university police, triggering an investigation.
On May 13 and May 19, Det. Ronald Shreffler records the boy's mother during a call with Sandusky. Court papers say Sandusky acknowledges that he showered with the boy, as well as with others. When the mother cuts off contact with Sandusky after a second call, he tells her, "I wish I were dead," according to court papers.
On June 1, Jerry Lauro, an investigator from the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, takes part in an interview of Sandusky by Shreffler. According to the grand jury report, Sandusky admits to hugging the boy in the shower, and says he will not shower with children again.
Shreffler speaks to another boy who reports similar treatment to that reported by Victim 6. But the investigation ends after District Attorney Ray Gricar decides the case warrants no criminal charges. Shreffler tells the grand jury that Thomas Harmon, who headed the campus police, told him to close the inquiry.
AND
2000
Jim Calhoun, a janitor at the Lasch building, tells a co-worker and his supervisor that he saw Sandusky engaged in sexual activity with a boy in the assistant coaches' shower. The boy, referred to as Victim 8 in court papers, has never been identified.
Calhoun's colleague Ronald Petrosky, who reported seeing Sandusky's car in the parking lot later that night in the fall of 2000, says that members of the janitorial staff were concerned that they might lose their jobs if they spoke out about what had happened.
After Calhoun told his supervisor, Jay Witherite, what he had seen, Witherite told him whom he could report the incident to, if he chose to do so.
and the NY Times timeline
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/sandusky.html?mcubz=3
May 4-30, 1998
University vice president Gary C. Schultz is informed. His notes of that date say: Behavior at best inappriate @ worst sexual improprieties. He also notes, Is this opening of pandoras box? and Other children?
During the course of the investigation, police listen in on a conversation between the mother and Sandusky, who admits to showering with the boy, and says: I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I wont get it from you. I wish I were dead.
University police chief Harmon emails Schultz: Were going to hold off on making any crime log entry. At this point I can justify that decision because of the lack of clear evidence of a crime.
Tim Curley, the athletic director, notifies Schultz that he has told Penn State Coach Joe Paterno about the incident, and later emails: Anything new in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands. Paterno maintained before his death that he didn't know about the incident.
June 1998
A university police detective and a state public welfare caseworker interview Sandusky, who admits hugging victim 6 in the shower, but says there was nothing "sexual about it." He says he has done this with other children. District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charges.
May 1999
Paterno informs Sandusky at a meeting that he will not become the teams next head coach. Victim 4 later testifies that Sandusky appeared emotionally upset after the meeting and that he was told by Sandusky to not tell anyone about the meeting.
Summer, 1999
Curley says Paterno gives Sandusky an option to stay on as an assistant, but Sandusky proposes instead running a middle school football camp, and finding "ways to continue to work with young people through Penn State." The university agrees to "work collaboratively" with Sandusky on Second Mile, and gives him free lifetime use of the East Area Locker Room.
This too is damning for Paterno
Feb. 27, 2001
Curley informs Shultz and Spanier that he has changed his mind after talking it over with Joe Paterno. Instead of reporting the incident, he says they should offer Sandusky professional help and tell him to stop bringing guests to the locker room. Spanier worries that if Sandusky continues, we then become vulnerable for not having reported it, before agreeing the approach is humane. They do not report the incident.
Look at all the Penn State people who knew stuff had gone with Sandusky and kids on before Feb 2001.
I respected Paterno and went into it waiting for conclusive evidence that he knew - I needed proof. I'm satisfied after following the case that Paterno did know enough and wrongfully opted to cover it up and may have convinced others to cover it up putting the school and his legacy ahead of those kids.
I liked the post suggesting his statue be put in Sandusky's cell. That's where it belongs. Shame on him.
underpants
(182,879 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)I had a lot of respect for Paterno; my dad graduated Penn State way, way before he became coach, but was a fan.
I hate what big money has done to collegiate ball, but have no clue how to "fix" it.
modrepub
(3,503 posts)Look him up. This was the Centre County DA who decided to end an investigation regarding Sandusky in the 1990s that may have been what Paterno was referring to. IMHO it goes deeper than Joe. Those who've spent any time in State College knows there's something off in Happy Valley. Don't think so? Then you probably didn't know the local police are 0 for 3 on coed murders.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,435 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,910 posts)Joe P died a football coach hero and now his legacy is as an enabler of child molesting.
We can hope he is looking up at it all.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Unfortunately, the "good people" of Central and Western Pennsylvania have some real fucking blindspots as to what matters.
dchill
(38,536 posts)to WAY too many people.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Sandusky is an evil person, but placing too much faith in a document written 10 years after the fact is a bit of a stretch.