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turbinetree

(24,757 posts)
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 08:55 AM Sep 2017

GOP senators are rushing to pass Graham-Cassidy. We asked 9 to explain what it does.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by muriel_volestrangler (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Vox

Republican senators are struggling to articulate why they are rushing to pass their last-ditch effort to repeal and replace Obamacare over the next 10 days before running into their September 30 deadline.

In interviews with Vox on Tuesday, nine Republican senators primarily argued that their “Hail Mary” bill — spearheaded by Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC) and Bill Cassidy (LA) — would return federal power to the states, giving them greater flexibility to improve their health systems locally. “The heart of the legislation takes the policymaking role of Washington and sends it to the states,” Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said.

Far less clear is exactly how Graham-Cassidy would pull off this feat without resulting in millions of Americans losing their insurance — and the number of millions is still unknown, since any vote would likely have to come before the Congressional Budget Office completes its analysis of the bill. The GOP senators insisted that the tens of billions in cuts to federal health spending proposed in the bill would not result in coverage losses because, they said, the states would have more flexibility.

“They can do it with less money,” said Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK), who was unable to explain how or why.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/20/16333876/republican-senators-graham-cassidy



“You have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is,” one said of the Obamacare repeal push,” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) said."

Just think the above comments are from an ass**** that will keep his or her current health care being paid by the taxpayers, while they try to pass a law to give everyone sh*t, and this "guy" gets over $174,000 a year saying and I quote:

“You have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is,” one said of the Obamacare repeal push,” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) said."

Never mind about fixing the issues with the ACA, never mind that "Medicare for all is cheaper". And the only thing right wing republicans want to do is confuse the public>

Never mind that Toyota moved its operation to Canada, because the health care system is cheaper and simpler for the company per employee value, when compared to this mess with the for "profit" sh*t system " here in the United States.

Call these nine senators and ask them about the Toyota plant moving to Canada, and why they moved and see what you get.

They make over $174,000 trying to kill human beings



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GOP senators are rushing to pass Graham-Cassidy. We asked 9 to explain what it does. (Original Post) turbinetree Sep 2017 OP
Hey Pat Roberts,as a Kansan you EMBARRASS me every time you open your old ass yap Bengus81 Sep 2017 #1
They'll somehow blame it on Democrats. Ligyron Sep 2017 #3
Thing is he hasn't lived in Kansas for many many many years. deminks Sep 2017 #7
True enough,ONLY shows his face in Kansas for re-election.....n/t Bengus81 Sep 2017 #24
I've been calling for weeks (seriously). I learned that the deal was back on here on DU Sept 6th. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #2
Remember Lamar Alexander....................... turbinetree Sep 2017 #4
I wouldn't be surprised a bit. BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #6
Yes not fooled Sep 2017 #12
"regular order" which McConnell will not abide by turbinetree Sep 2017 #15
'Springs a trap.' eom sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #28
Federal lawmakers should have state based mealth care. rickford66 Sep 2017 #5
Good idea. 👍🏼 dae Sep 2017 #14
Yeah, this. n/t sprinkleeninow Sep 2017 #29
These GOP incumbents all need to lose their seats FakeNoose Sep 2017 #8
This is one of the most deeply cynical pieces of legislation I've seen in my lifetime. Texin Sep 2017 #9
Money Back to the States Cryptoad Sep 2017 #10
9 pieces of shit spouting bullshit. ananda Sep 2017 #11
RepubliClan reverse thinking RicROC Sep 2017 #13
Collins, Murkowski, Graham, McCain AllyCat Sep 2017 #16
'Outright lying' is now in fashion. yallerdawg Sep 2017 #17
My latest email to portman (r) BASTARD Marthe48 Sep 2017 #18
I'm so sorry, Marthe Bayard Sep 2017 #22
You have my sympathy, truly Marthe48 Sep 2017 #23
k&r DesertRat Sep 2017 #19
Reading that article, the takeaway conclusion is Republicans don't know anything procon Sep 2017 #20
easy to stop this thing azureblue Sep 2017 #21
All this wasted time and energy xxqqqzme Sep 2017 #25
Please, everyone who can saidsimplesimon Sep 2017 #26
They only want to remove the tax on people earning 250K or more that funds The_Casual_Observer Sep 2017 #27
K & R Duppers Sep 2017 #30
Locking - the hosts feel this is analysis, rather than a breaking news story muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #31

Bengus81

(6,945 posts)
1. Hey Pat Roberts,as a Kansan you EMBARRASS me every time you open your old ass yap
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:03 AM
Sep 2017

Your a POS who has lived off the teet of Guberment since the 60's and have enjoyed your paid for health care for you and your family for decades. But...like your buddy Bill Cassidy quality HC seems to be ONLY for your ilk and very few others.

There are so many counties in western Kansas that live on or below the poverty line that vote this asshat into office time and time again. The loss of HC in those counties could easily be 90% or more. But guess who they'll vote for again?? Him and Jerry Moran.

Ligyron

(7,665 posts)
3. They'll somehow blame it on Democrats.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:17 AM
Sep 2017

What's The Matter With Kansas?

Same thing that's the matter with almost half the friggin' country.

deminks

(11,040 posts)
7. Thing is he hasn't lived in Kansas for many many many years.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:29 AM
Sep 2017

In his own words, he only sleeps in a recliner in a friend's house in western Kansas when he HAS to be here for elections.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/02/07/pat-roberts-doesnt-have-his-own-home-in-kansas/?utm_term=.26671ab5f5a2

I thought that comment would hurt him, but it only made him more popular. He laughs at his constituents, and it only makes him more popular.

Bengus81

(6,945 posts)
24. True enough,ONLY shows his face in Kansas for re-election.....n/t
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:07 PM
Sep 2017

BigmanPigman

(51,734 posts)
2. I've been calling for weeks (seriously). I learned that the deal was back on here on DU Sept 6th.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:14 AM
Sep 2017

The lines are finally beginning to get busy and mailboxes full. I wish it happened two weeks ago though! If I knew than surely the Dem senators knew too and were silent! Why?!

turbinetree

(24,757 posts)
4. Remember Lamar Alexander.......................
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:23 AM
Sep 2017

and the bipartisan moment, with Patty Murray (WA)................it was a ploy on Alexanders part.................he has to have had meetings with the "republican caucus" so I will leave it at that, the bi-partisan moment is out the door, they had one meeting, it was a republican delaying tactic in my opinion








BigmanPigman

(51,734 posts)
6. I wouldn't be surprised a bit.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:26 AM
Sep 2017

not fooled

(5,813 posts)
12. Yes
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 10:35 AM
Sep 2017

Get the story in the news that there's a "bipartisan" group working on "fixing" healthcare--lull people into a sense of relief that the pukes are finally being reasonable and working with dems (although we know better), then spring the trap of the last-minute repeal effort when they think no one's paying attention.

Evil bastards. McTurdle was planning this new iteration of dumpcare all along.



turbinetree

(24,757 posts)
15. "regular order" which McConnell will not abide by
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:07 AM
Sep 2017

and is in complete violation of the legislative process of the Constitution, just like that ass**** Ryan


sprinkleeninow

(20,285 posts)
28. 'Springs a trap.' eom
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:45 PM
Sep 2017

rickford66

(5,542 posts)
5. Federal lawmakers should have state based mealth care.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:24 AM
Sep 2017

You get what your state offers to their own.

dae

(3,396 posts)
14. Good idea. 👍🏼
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 10:48 AM
Sep 2017

sprinkleeninow

(20,285 posts)
29. Yeah, this. n/t
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 02:01 PM
Sep 2017

FakeNoose

(33,042 posts)
8. These GOP incumbents all need to lose their seats
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:34 AM
Sep 2017

Not one of these people deserve to win re-election because not one has done anything constructive during their time in office.

They make more the $174K per year because they also have staff, entertainment and travel budgets that aren't included in the base salary. Most of these guys make $200K and the leaders/committee heads get more.

They've done nothing this year except push BS about a bad "healthcare" bill down our throats. It's not a healthcare bill it's a taxcut bill, and nobody wants it. Everybody wants the ACA, stop trying to take it away. Before this year, all they did was obstruct Obama at every turn.

None of these people deserve to be re-elected. They should all be replaced by Democrats who will get the job done.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
9. This is one of the most deeply cynical pieces of legislation I've seen in my lifetime.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 09:59 AM
Sep 2017

To make it more palatable to the hardline teaparty wing, they literally rob Paul - Democratic states like NY, CA, etc. to pay Peter - red state bastions of troglodyte Trumpolini voters. I am so repulsed by this it's sickening and heartbreaking. I'm 63 years old and I've been just trying to be hopeful that I'll reach the goal to obtain benefits under Medicare, but now I'm deeply concerned that this won't happen. I've got two pre-existing conditions, asthma and hypertension. My (private) healthcare plan is already steep but now that the insurers can and probably will deny coverage of preexisting conditions because they can. I fully expect a letter to arrive before the end of the year (if this passes and it seems it will) that they will deny payment for anti-hypertensive and asthma medications with the added langniappe that my premium is going to be jacked up an additional 30-40 percent if not higher. Coupled with that body slam, the cost of my asthma medications and blood pressure drugs will also get jacked up - again, because the drug companies will use this to justify cause.

I'm nearly in tears right now.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
10. Money Back to the States
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 10:03 AM
Sep 2017

That will be great here in AL......... The new Gov been hot to find some money to rebuild the State's Governor's Beach House on the Gulf.

Do we get any KY Gel with this bill?

ananda

(28,948 posts)
11. 9 pieces of shit spouting bullshit.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 10:18 AM
Sep 2017

Geez

I hope this vote fails .. bigly!

RicROC

(1,206 posts)
13. RepubliClan reverse thinking
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 10:39 AM
Sep 2017

So, RepubliClans want to give more tax breaks to the rich and add more fees to the working class. (Instead of trickle down economics, it's 'pass through economics', as in 'feed the horse some corn so that the birds have something to eat')

BUT with the Graham-Cassidy version of Health care, federal money is taken away from the successful blue states and given to the red states which resist Obamacare.

AllyCat

(16,299 posts)
16. Collins, Murkowski, Graham, McCain
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:10 AM
Sep 2017

Every time one of these KGOPers does something that is the opposite of their horrible party or speaks out against it, we all cheer and say "finally, they are seeing reason". They aren't. They are worse than the ones who always try to screw Americans. These horrible people make a big deal of standing up for the little guy and then pull the rug out later. They are like the nice torturer who gains our trust before the pain comes.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
17. 'Outright lying' is now in fashion.
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:10 AM
Sep 2017

Some shit does 'trickle down.'

Marthe48

(17,199 posts)
18. My latest email to portman (r) BASTARD
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:12 AM
Sep 2017

My husband had cancer and died. He stayed at home with me and I cared for him. I was shown how to clean his feeding tube, how to use the food meter, what to watch for to take him to E.R. I didn't know what the hell I was doing and I felt hopeless when I screwed up. His mother is still alive at 94, in a nursing home because she has dementia. We cared for her as long as we could, and then she needed more than we could give her. I tell her her son is mowing or watching the game, or whatever, so she is happy in her mind. She wears adult diapers. All of the residents do. They sit on alarm pads, so if they get up, one of the overworked staff can come running and prevent a fall. The staff is always near. The residents don't get a lot of visitors. Much like the healthcare repeal efforts, email investigations, and Benghazi, conversations go around and around and go nowhere, accomplish nothing, and offer no help to any of us. I bet you haven't ever been to a nursing home, bet you'll never go. Bet you have hired help if you have a loved one who needs long-term care. You can't know unless you have experienced the living loss of Alzheimer's, the uselessness of caring for a dying loved one. So Mr. Heartless Portman, vote healthcare away. Take the dignity from families and patients, crush the medical health field. Do it all, because you can. You and every single are going to be written into history as heartless turncoats who betrayed your constituents and your country. If you have $24, 128,000,000.00 to waste on your outrageous, useless exercises in hahahah investigations and government shutdowns, you have the money to support a health care bill doesn't doesn't mean death to Americans.

I also signed 2 petitions and donated to PFAW.

Bayard

(22,330 posts)
22. I'm so sorry, Marthe
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 12:40 PM
Sep 2017

No one should have to go thru all that.

I lost both my parents several years ago. They had to do the "spend down" thing, sell everything they owned, and move to a nursing home. My dad died a few months later from cancer (he'd already suffered a stroke previously that paralyzed the right side of his body). My mom had Alzheimer's, and cancer. Both of my Type 1 diabetic sisters had already died in nursing homes by then. Literally millions of dollars in healthcare costs from the time they were children, to when they passed.

I can't even think about what would have happened without Medicare and Medicaid.

Marthe48

(17,199 posts)
23. You have my sympathy, truly
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:05 PM
Sep 2017

Watching your loved ones lose their battle is a heartache, every single time. You don't get tougher.


We had orthopedic ailments in out family, and long-term care for healing.
I just posted this on Yahoo:

Here's a nutshell description of my white, middle-class upbringing, circa early 1960s: When I was 8, I was put in charge of my bed-ridden, stroke-impaired great aunt, who had come to live with us. I was unsupervised. My family ran a grocery store. My parents and the older kids worked there after school, my youngest brother was in a children's hospital for 29 months. Bankrupted my parents. Who's for stealing the youth of your children? Who's for endangering the old folks? Who's for bankrupting small business owners?

My bed-ridden aunt slept with her sister, my grandmother, from 1957 to 1972, in Gram's double bed. I do not have that much love and sense of duty. My younger brother developed Legg-Perthys disease and had spent 29 months in Rainbow Hospital in Cleveland, in traction. $29/day. My parents couldn't afford to keep him there, so they got a hospital bed and he was in traction at home another 2 years. In a 2 year span, around 1961-1963, my younger brother was in traction and had a bed in the living room. My sister developed scoliosis and had to have surgery to straighten her spine. Six weeks in University Clinic in Cleveland and another 6 months bed-ridden at home, then 9 months in a walking cast. My sister was in a body cast and had a bed in the dining room. It was like living in a hospital. I think my parents had gotten some medical insurance, so my sister's care didn't break the bank like my brother's care did. I pity my parents, they had all this and so much more. I am lucky. I was the only one with no health problems.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
19. k&r
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:40 AM
Sep 2017

procon

(15,805 posts)
20. Reading that article, the takeaway conclusion is Republicans don't know anything
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:51 AM
Sep 2017

about the Graham-Cassidy bill they are trying to pass. Their primary purpose is political, and keeping themselves in the majority power in the 2018 elections, and to do that they are only concerned about appeasing a small group of voters.

The reality is, they hate Obama. Its like a mental disease with them, its OCD or Obama Derangement Syndrome on crack. If Obama did something that helps people then they must destroy it. Republicans don't give a damn that they are hurting real people, even their own constituents.

azureblue

(2,162 posts)
21. easy to stop this thing
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 11:53 AM
Sep 2017

Take away all Congressional health care, and put it on the same plan as the one they are offering to the public. Just a small little one liner inserted in the bill somewhere, like in some place where it may not get read. I have no idea why the Dem leadership hasn't done this...

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
25. All this wasted time and energy
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:35 PM
Sep 2017

because a man with brown skin wanted everyone to have health care coverage.

I have no kind thought; no generous wish of well being for any of these heartless, horrible healthcare rustlers.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
26. Please, everyone who can
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:40 PM
Sep 2017

make that call to the "US Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121. To locate your Member" (I have not lost my Member, or have I??)

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
27. They only want to remove the tax on people earning 250K or more that funds
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 01:42 PM
Sep 2017

the ACA. After that they don't give a shit what happens.

Duppers

(28,139 posts)
30. K & R
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 04:20 PM
Sep 2017

muriel_volestrangler

(101,470 posts)
31. Locking - the hosts feel this is analysis, rather than a breaking news story
Wed Sep 20, 2017, 06:22 PM
Sep 2017

Please repost in GD, or Editorials. Thanks.

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