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SunSeeker

(51,508 posts)
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:08 PM Sep 2017

Aaron Hernandez had severe CTE; daughter sues NFL, Pats

Source: ABC News

Tests conducted on the brain of former football star Aaron Hernandez showed severe signs of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and his attorney said Thursday that the player's daughter is suing the NFL and the New England Patriots for leading Hernandez to believe the sport was safe.

In a news conference at his offices, Hernandez's attorney Jose Baez said the testing showed one of the most severe cases ever diagnosed.
...
Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, concluded that the New England Patriots tight end had stage 3 of 4 of the disease, and also had early brain atrophy and large perforations in a central membrane.
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CTE can be caused by repeated head trauma and leads to symptoms like violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive difficulties. Hernandez killed himself in April in the jail cell where he was serving a life-without-parole sentence for a 2013 murder. His death came just hours before the Patriots visited the White House to celebrate their latest Super Bowl victory.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/aaron-hernandez-lawyer-brain-showed-severe-case-cte-50011241



Aaron Hernandez was only 27 when he committed suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hernandez

A neuropathologist who examined the brains of 111 N.F.L. players found 110 to have CTE. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/25/sports/football/nfl-cte.html

It is now more plain than ever that playing football causes CTE and helmets don't protect you from the impacts, since the damage is caused by your brain sloshing in your skull from the sudden stop caused by the impact. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/football-helmets-concussion-protection/ https://www.ted.com/talks/david_camarillo_why_helmets_don_t_prevent_concussions_and_what_might/transcript?language=en

This is why I don't let my son play tackle football.
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Aaron Hernandez had severe CTE; daughter sues NFL, Pats (Original Post) SunSeeker Sep 2017 OP
It will be interesting to see if this gains any traction. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #1
I don't know about that. The NFL will just have new players sign waivers of liability for CTE. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #4
I wonder if those kinds of waivers would hold up in the long run? PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #6
There is only one way to kill the NFL, very very simple: Everyone stops watching it on TV Stuart G Sep 2017 #10
First thing is make sure that sports are unbundled from any cable package HAB911 Sep 2017 #23
And the football fans not fooled Sep 2017 #12
I doubt he'll win. He'll have to prove he couldn't have gotten CTE from any other sources. Calista241 Sep 2017 #33
Given the recent study that showed 110 of 111 of the brains PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2017 #35
It depends. Calista241 Sep 2017 #36
This could end the NFL as we know it ghostsinthemachine Sep 2017 #2
But they're suing the wrong thing possibly, assuming a connection at all. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #7
That's what a jury is for. They will decide if there was causation. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #19
Did it make him a murderer? Coventina Sep 2017 #3
I wonder if OJ had it? BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #11
If the sport produces murderers, then maybe it should be banned. Coventina Sep 2017 #13
I always knew that something was off with high school football players bathroommonkey76 Sep 2017 #5
Good, I hope she takes em down. GeorgeGist Sep 2017 #8
Hitting your head as hard as you can against another hard jalan48 Sep 2017 #9
Let's not ouija Sep 2017 #14
My apologies for the stereotype. It sounds like you take responsibility for your choices which is jalan48 Sep 2017 #15
This sport should be shut down in its current form BeyondGeography Sep 2017 #16
Maybe Jerry Ford DID play too many games without a helmet........! lastlib Sep 2017 #17
So what's Trump's excuse? nt :) JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2017 #37
I think his problem is genetic. lastlib Sep 2017 #38
CTE is showing up in soccer and rugby players as well n/t TexasBushwhacker Sep 2017 #18
Yep. That's why we banned heading in youth soccer for 10 & under. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #22
Wonder if he would have hanged himself if he wasn't in prison for murder blueinredohio Sep 2017 #20
The league HAB911 Sep 2017 #24
There are also longterm consequences from all the drugs he used janterry Sep 2017 #26
If he played tackle football before the age of 12 it would. Exultant Democracy Sep 2017 #29
We all know the answer-playing football causes brain damage. bronxiteforever Sep 2017 #21
Boxing, and ice hockey are two other sports that can produce CTE. kwassa Sep 2017 #25
Why do people like watching violent sports? procon Sep 2017 #27
Dunno. I've never found it entertaining. SunSeeker Sep 2017 #28
Suing the league? Good luck with that shit Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #30
yep Cosmocat Sep 2017 #32
The out take here is his daughter is looking for pub and $$$ Cosmocat Sep 2017 #31
What basis does his sister have for a lawsuit? brooklynite Sep 2017 #34
The athleticism and power of the players has surpassed Abu Pepe Sep 2017 #39

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,812 posts)
1. It will be interesting to see if this gains any traction.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:25 PM
Sep 2017

If it does, if she wins, then that may be the death knell of American football as we know it.

SunSeeker

(51,508 posts)
4. I don't know about that. The NFL will just have new players sign waivers of liability for CTE.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:30 PM
Sep 2017

The desperate kids whose only marketable attribute is their physical ability will still accept the likelihood that they will die with CTE.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,812 posts)
6. I wonder if those kinds of waivers would hold up in the long run?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:39 PM
Sep 2017

Plus, we already know that kids who play football before age 12, no matter how far they go with playing (high school, college, NFL) have much higher rates of CTE than those who start at a later age.

Minors wouldn't be able to sign such a waiver, and I'm not sure parents could do so either.

Stuart G

(38,410 posts)
10. There is only one way to kill the NFL, very very simple: Everyone stops watching it on TV
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:00 PM
Sep 2017

If 90 percent of the viewers stopped watching it on TV, money would evaporate..without lots of money..to pay people and to finance things..,etc........................................................................................... ...................................................................................................................
..................................................................are you ready??...NO NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE

also...........................no college football TV,,,none?... therefore: less competition, less notoriety ...guess what?
............less injuries.....less people playing this sport.............far fewer injuries....

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
23. First thing is make sure that sports are unbundled from any cable package
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 07:52 AM
Sep 2017

If you can see sports channels in your package, you're paying for them. Of course they bundle them so it is extremely difficult to rid your self of ESPN without losing many other channels of value. (value being a relative term here)

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
12. And the football fans
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:26 PM
Sep 2017

won't stop watching games and supporting their teams. That's the only way this situation really will improve, and we all know that counting on the American public to do the right thing--especially if it means some sort of personal sacrifice--is not a good bet.

That's assuming most fans even know about or understand the issues invloved. After all, look at how many Americans callously disregard the need and distress of their fellow citizens, let alone highly paid athletes.

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
33. I doubt he'll win. He'll have to prove he couldn't have gotten CTE from any other sources.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:21 PM
Sep 2017

Without a live witness, or with Hernandez to testify, there are too many variables.

If he got into a fight in prison, or any other time, they can blame the injury on that incident.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,812 posts)
35. Given the recent study that showed 110 of 111 of the brains
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 02:50 PM
Sep 2017

of NFL players showed CTE, it would be extremely difficult to persuade a jury or a judge that he might have gotten the CTE elsewhere.

Of course, given how many people are willing to think that climate science and global warming aren't settled, I probably should retract my above statement.

Calista241

(5,585 posts)
36. It depends.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 03:32 PM
Sep 2017

As another poster said, he only played for 3 years in the NFL, one of which he missed significant time with a shoulder injury. He was diagnosed with one concussion during his nfl career.

He was involved in a number of fights at Florida. And those injuries may be the the underlying causes of his of his CTE.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
2. This could end the NFL as we know it
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:26 PM
Sep 2017

Huge lawsuit. A story that won't go away, celebrity, guns, cars, football. Yep this will captivate the country.

But, he began that journey as a kid, in Pop Warner, the High School then college. He got his bell rung often, surely.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
7. But they're suing the wrong thing possibly, assuming a connection at all.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:48 PM
Sep 2017

I mean, his violent criminal career began well before the NFL.

SunSeeker

(51,508 posts)
19. That's what a jury is for. They will decide if there was causation.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:52 PM
Sep 2017

The issue is whether his suicide, not his criminal conduct, was caused by CTE.

BigmanPigman

(51,565 posts)
11. I wonder if OJ had it?
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 07:04 PM
Sep 2017

Of course having this doesn't make you a murderer. It may have been a very small factor but we will never know.

I remember Obama said that if he had sons he wouldn't allow them to play football. If you know the hazards (and who doesn't) then it is your choice and responsibility I guess...like many other dangerous sports.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
5. I always knew that something was off with high school football players
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:35 PM
Sep 2017

During my 90s high school days there was a sense of craziness coming from the minds of those players. Part of me wanted to blame steroids as one of the problems and mental issues of some of my friends. Looking back I completely believe their issues had to do with getting hit in the head- I knew guys who started playing tackle football at age five! For me there was zero desire to play competitive football- My sports were always football and basketball.

jalan48

(13,841 posts)
9. Hitting your head as hard as you can against another hard
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 06:54 PM
Sep 2017

Last edited Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)

object (helmet) is just a bad idea. Whatever happened to common sense?

ouija

(397 posts)
14. Let's not
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:10 PM
Sep 2017

Let's not hurl sterotypical insults as I played and have done well in education. I loved to play the game and most who play do as well. With that said, I had multiple concussions and am concerned moving forward.

jalan48

(13,841 posts)
15. My apologies for the stereotype. It sounds like you take responsibility for your choices which is
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:18 PM
Sep 2017

admirable. I do wonder about the young boys being pushed into a game which has serious life consequences though.

BeyondGeography

(39,345 posts)
16. This sport should be shut down in its current form
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 08:23 PM
Sep 2017

It's an obvious disaster. But just as we will milk every last penny we can from dirty fuels and irresponsible coastal development, no matter how much suffering results, so it will go with football. We are absolute prisoners of the buck.

lastlib

(23,146 posts)
38. I think his problem is genetic.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:08 AM
Sep 2017

He's hard-wired to be what he is. His father was nucking-futs. Klansman, all-around bad guy--but his real crime was not letting it run down his leg when he had the chance.

SunSeeker

(51,508 posts)
22. Yep. That's why we banned heading in youth soccer for 10 & under.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:35 PM
Sep 2017
https://www.theringer.com/2017/4/25/16041684/us-soccer-header-ban-concussions-4805684f63ca
We should ban heading altogether. The beauty of soccer is what you do with your feet anyway, not your head. I always thought heading was barbaric.

Not sure how to make rugby safer since I don't know much about that sport. It appears to inherently be a game of impact, like football.

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
24. The league
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 08:03 AM
Sep 2017

had already faced public relations problems after other high-profile players were found to have C.T.E., including Junior Seau, Ken Stabler and Frank Gifford. Mr. Seau — along with Dave Duerson, Andre Waters and Ray Easterling, among others — killed himself.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.html?_r=0

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
26. There are also longterm consequences from all the drugs he used
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 09:42 AM
Sep 2017

Hard to tease that out - though the brain injuries are real (not questioning that).

As for murder, I don't think the researchers would suggest that it caused that. He had a propensity for violence throughout his life (as a kid, too, if I recall).

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
29. If he played tackle football before the age of 12 it would.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:13 PM
Sep 2017

The newest data suggests that a season of tackle ball before the age of 12 will Swiss cheese a brain at a vital point in development. It could be the reason he was a terrible young man too.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
21. We all know the answer-playing football causes brain damage.
Thu Sep 21, 2017, 09:16 PM
Sep 2017

It's a fact and just like the cigarette companies, the NFL tries to bury the science.

We will never know if football induced brain damage contributed to how Hernandez behaved but we do know it causes substantial changes in the behavior of people. I am certain that having cte doesn't make a person better.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
25. Boxing, and ice hockey are two other sports that can produce CTE.
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 09:38 AM
Sep 2017

I've often wondered if Muhammad Ali's Parkinsons was brought on by this.


CTE was first described in 1928, when Dr. Harrison Martland described a group of boxers as having “punch drunk syndrome.” Over the next 75 years, several researchers reported similar findings in boxers and victims of brain trauma, but fewer than 50 cases were confirmed

..........................................................

CTE has been found in individuals whose primary exposure to head impacts was through tackle football (200+ cases confirmed at the VA-BU-CLF Brain Bank), the military (25+ cases), hockey (20+ cases), boxing (15+ cases, 50+ globally), rugby (5+ cases), soccer (5+ cases, 10+ globally), pro wrestling (5+ cases), and, in fewer than three cases each, baseball, basketball, intimate partner violence, and individuals with developmental disorders who engaged in head banging behaviors.


https://concussionfoundation.org/CTE-resources/what-is-CTE

procon

(15,805 posts)
27. Why do people like watching violent sports?
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 10:58 AM
Sep 2017

Listen to any group watching football and they will be enthusiastically hooting and cheering whenever some player gets slammed to the ground. It makes me physically sick to see such brutality.

They want to see another human being get hurt. I've seen otherwise normal people applauding the guy who flattened another player and left him laying unconscious of the field, justifying the violence because he was too slow or somehow deserved getting knocked out. There's rarely any concern that his life might by in jeopardy or those injured men might be permanently crippled or left facing a lifetime of pain.

As human beings, why haven't we evolved past the blood sports of the Roman coliseum?



Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
30. Suing the league? Good luck with that shit
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 12:43 PM
Sep 2017

How about you scratch out a check for the families of the dudes he killed?

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
31. The out take here is his daughter is looking for pub and $$$
Fri Sep 22, 2017, 01:41 PM
Sep 2017

Before anyone gets all hyper reactive, CTE is absolutely real, and there are many athletes, in many sports who suffer greatly from it.

But, he only played three years in the NFL (whatever damage occurred from football was more so done during youth/high school and college ball), and was a very real menace to society his whole life, well before he stepped on to an NFL field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hernandez#2007_Gainesville_double_shooting

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