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aggiesal

(10,804 posts)
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:15 PM Sep 2017

Trump May Have Broken the Law When Calling for Boycotts if the NFL Doesnt Fire Peaceful Protesters

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Source: PoliticusUSA

By Adalia Woodbury on Sun, Sep 24th, 2017 Donald Trump, Featured News

When Donald Trump tweeted for a boycott of the NFL if team owners didn’t fire players for protesting racism, Trump may have broken a law that is punishable by a fine, jail time or both – and Trump may have further disqualified himself from serving in public office.



Donald Trump sure knows how to unite Americans around football.

When Donald Trump tweeted for a boycott of the NFL if team owners didn’t fire players for protesting racism, Trump may have broken a law that is punishable by a fine, jail time or both – and Trump may have further disqualified himself from serving in public office.

According to Laurence Tribe, Trump’s tweet may have violated US 18, Section 227.

Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/24/trump-broken-law-dalling-boycotts-nfl-doesnt-fire-peaceful-protestors.html



Nothing will happen to Cheetolini

The Greedy One Percenters will look the other way.
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Trump May Have Broken the Law When Calling for Boycotts if the NFL Doesnt Fire Peaceful Protesters (Original Post) aggiesal Sep 2017 OP
He broke the law every day of his life. RainCaster Sep 2017 #1
Lock him up SCantiGOP Sep 2017 #2
Like he cares. Who's going to arrest him? Jeff Sessions? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Sep 2017 #3
Besides, SergeStorms Sep 2017 #24
(a)Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, elleng Sep 2017 #4
IANAL, but, it seems to me that this law applies only if it is based Stonepounder Sep 2017 #9
Maybe/Maybe not. 'MAY have broken the law,' elleng Sep 2017 #13
Exactly right. It's not close to a violation of 227 onenote Sep 2017 #17
LOCK THE FUCKER UP NOW !!!! vkkv Sep 2017 #5
I am soooo Blessed not to be Donald J Trump! Cryptoad Sep 2017 #6
Donnie Dipstick Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #7
So this makes what, the 199th time he's broken the law since taking office? Binkie The Clown Sep 2017 #8
That's what said ... aggiesal Sep 2017 #16
Trump has ZERO respect for this country, its laws and its traditions. BlueIdaho Sep 2017 #10
There's plenty to go after Trump for...this isn't one brooklynite Sep 2017 #11
that was my (layperson's) reaction, too. spooky3 Sep 2017 #14
Din ding ding onenote Sep 2017 #18
Why wouldn't this be a violation of the first amendment? It's an attempt by a governmental official spooky3 Sep 2017 #12
No, it's a person's opinion (obnoxious as it is) which carries no more influence than yours. brooklynite Sep 2017 #15
The pres certainly has more influence than I do, but spooky3 Sep 2017 #22
In 2007 Sen Barack Obama onenote Sep 2017 #19
You're responding as if I'm arguing a position. I'm asking spooky3 Sep 2017 #21
He's broken a number of laws. W/o the GOP Congress, it doesn't matter. Crash2Parties Sep 2017 #20
This law originally applied only to Members of Congress Shoonra Sep 2017 #23
He's messing with an important income stream for billionaires. BadgerMom Sep 2017 #25
It appears he has NO idea how little everyone respects him. C Moon Sep 2017 #26
lock him up, he is breaking the law trueblue2007 Sep 2017 #27
Locking - the hosts feel this is opinion, not news in its own right muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #28

RainCaster

(13,717 posts)
1. He broke the law every day of his life.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:23 PM
Sep 2017

BFD

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
2. Lock him up
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:23 PM
Sep 2017
 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
3. Like he cares. Who's going to arrest him? Jeff Sessions? n/m
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:23 PM
Sep 2017

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
24. Besides,
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 01:52 AM
Sep 2017

he'd just "pardon" himself anyway. Trump has always thought that he's above the law, and can do and say anything he damn well pleases without any consequences. He's the type of person I'd love to see imprisoned for extended periods of time.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
4. (a)Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence,
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:24 PM
Sep 2017

solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—
(1)
takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2)
influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
(b)In this section, the term “covered government person” means—
(1)
a Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;
(2)
an employee of either House of Congress; or
(3)
the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
9. IANAL, but, it seems to me that this law applies only if it is based
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:38 PM
Sep 2017
solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation

Trump doesn't care if the NFL Player are (R), (D), or (O)ther. He just needs somebody to lash out at and deflect from Mueller and Russia.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
13. Maybe/Maybe not. 'MAY have broken the law,'
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:47 PM
Sep 2017

Tribe suggested.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
17. Exactly right. It's not close to a violation of 227
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:58 PM
Sep 2017

Partisan affiliation in this context means affiliated with a particular political party. Plus it's only unlawful if the government official's attempt to influence an employment decision is backed up by taking or withholding an "official" act or a threat to take or withhold an official act or some effort to get another government official to tak or withhold an official act. While Trump's tweets and speech are abhorrent he didn't back up his call for the NFL to act by taking or withholding any official government action.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
5. LOCK THE FUCKER UP NOW !!!!
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:26 PM
Sep 2017

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP IS THE HEAD FUCKIN', FUCKING LYING FUCKER OF HIS ENTIRE FUCKING FAMILY OF OTHER FUCKS.

Not much more to say than that..

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
6. I am soooo Blessed not to be Donald J Trump!
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:31 PM
Sep 2017

with all that Hate eating him up from the inside out!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. Donnie Dipstick
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:31 PM
Sep 2017

just loves the divisiveness he creates. Just can not imagine the tension in those Teams Locker Rooms. Lot of Friendships bit the dust. But Donnie won the day,he got his name mentioned umteen times on the TV.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
8. So this makes what, the 199th time he's broken the law since taking office?
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:38 PM
Sep 2017

Like anything is going to happen.

American democracy is broken. Get used to it.

aggiesal

(10,804 posts)
16. That's what said ...
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:52 PM
Sep 2017

The Greedy One Percenters (GOP) will look the other way.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
10. Trump has ZERO respect for this country, its laws and its traditions.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:39 PM
Sep 2017

His collapse will be epic.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
11. There's plenty to go after Trump for...this isn't one
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:44 PM
Sep 2017
“(a)Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—


"Taking a knee" doesn't reflect Partisan Political Affiliation

(1)
takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or
(2)
influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.


No Official Act has in this Statute has been influenced.

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
14. that was my (layperson's) reaction, too.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:47 PM
Sep 2017

onenote

(46,142 posts)
18. Din ding ding
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:58 PM
Sep 2017

I've tried to explain this on several occasions.

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
12. Why wouldn't this be a violation of the first amendment? It's an attempt by a governmental official
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:46 PM
Sep 2017

to interfere in citizens' expression of free speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
15. No, it's a person's opinion (obnoxious as it is) which carries no more influence than yours.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:49 PM
Sep 2017

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
22. The pres certainly has more influence than I do, but
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:36 AM
Sep 2017

I'm not sure that's a relevant consideration. My question is whether or under what conditions a President's attempt to get someone fired would constitute a governmental interference in the NFL players' rights. Since I don't work for the government, my opinion or other action is entirely irrelevant, but the Pres's actions may not be. The NFL owners also would not be subject to first amendment provisions here, because they aren't part of the government.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
19. In 2007 Sen Barack Obama
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:01 AM
Sep 2017

Publicly criticized CBS Radio and MSNBC for merely suspending rather than firing Don Imus. Do you think that was unconstitutional?

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
21. You're responding as if I'm arguing a position. I'm asking
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:32 AM
Sep 2017

Lawyers and anyone else who's an expert on this a factual question.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
20. He's broken a number of laws. W/o the GOP Congress, it doesn't matter.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 12:29 AM
Sep 2017

Which only proves they are every bit as evil as he is and fully complicit.

Shoonra

(602 posts)
23. This law originally applied only to Members of Congress
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 01:27 AM
Sep 2017

Originally 18 USC § 227 applied only to Members of Congress, but in 2012 it was amended to cover "all covered government employees" that included the Prez.

BadgerMom

(3,417 posts)
25. He's messing with an important income stream for billionaires.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:05 AM
Sep 2017

In my opinion, those folks could be a far greater threat to his Presidency than Paul Ryan could ever be.

C Moon

(13,643 posts)
26. It appears he has NO idea how little everyone respects him.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:05 AM
Sep 2017

I think he believes everyone is afraid of him, as well.
Probably because he surrounds himself with sycophants.

trueblue2007

(19,251 posts)
27. lock him up, he is breaking the law
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:42 AM
Sep 2017

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
28. Locking - the hosts feel this is opinion, not news in its own right
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:51 AM
Sep 2017

Please repost in GD. Thanks.

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