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riversedge

(70,186 posts)
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:05 PM Sep 2017

The VA conducts gruesome experiments on dogs, then kills them. Investigation draws outrage

Source: USA Today




Donovan Slack, USA TODAY Published 6:30 a.m. ET Sept. 25, 2017 | Updated 12:00 p.m. ET Sept. 25, 2017


An investigation uncovering surgery failures and deaths in VA experiments on dogs has led to more scrutiny from the agency's chiefs and Congress, but that's not stopping tests involving pain for dogs. USA TODAY
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WASHINGTON — The Department of Veterans Affairs is tightening oversight of controversial medical experiments on dogs after an investigation found surgery failures and canine deaths in research projects at a VA facility in Virginia — findings that spurred a push in Congress to defund the experiments altogether.

Nationwide, invasive experiments at three VA facilities are slated to include roughly 300 dogs, including six-month-old Beagle puppies, and involve surgeries on their brains, spines and hearts by researchers seeking treatments for heart disease and other ailments. All the dogs will be killed when the research is complete.

Going forward, top VA veterinary officials will have to approve any research on dogs, and scientists will have to review proposed dog experiments more rigorously, says Michael Fallon, the VA's chief veterinary medical officer.

“VA programs that have dog research as a component will now be visited more frequently by our accrediting body,” Fallon said.

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Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/25/va-tightens-oversight-medical-experiments-dogs-after-surgery-failures-canine-deaths/690684001/

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The VA conducts gruesome experiments on dogs, then kills them. Investigation draws outrage (Original Post) riversedge Sep 2017 OP
Gruesome. Gotta wonder about the person carrying out this program. 'Psychopath'. byronius Sep 2017 #1
Animal experiments have been going on for a long time. jimmil Sep 2017 #2
Brings to mind the Barrington Avenue (Brentwood) VA burial site scandal sandensea Sep 2017 #3
I love dogs but you can't give people heart attacks to study heart disease ... Botany Sep 2017 #4
Seems the only argument to experiment on animals is "the alternative is worse..." LanternWaste Sep 2017 #6
There's a time and place for everything Phoenix61 Sep 2017 #5
Fuck them get the red out Sep 2017 #7
They go for Beagles Bayard Sep 2017 #8
You won't get any flame from me, sister. Duppers Sep 2017 #10
Oh fucking hell NO! Duppers Sep 2017 #9

jimmil

(629 posts)
2. Animal experiments have been going on for a long time.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:20 PM
Sep 2017

Growing up one of my best friend's father was a noted surgeon in the area. He did some pretty horrible experiments with dogs which led to the development of an internal "bag" for those who had their colon removed. His father went all over the country teaching the technique to other doctors. I guess it was better than experimenting on people and letting them die.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
3. Brings to mind the Barrington Avenue (Brentwood) VA burial site scandal
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:30 PM
Sep 2017

About a decade ago, the VA admitted that in the 1950s it had buried hundreds of dogs and other animals in a ravine near the intersection of Barrington and Sunset Avenues (in the Brentwood area of LA).

The animals had been subjected to abuse similar to that described above, and many were moreover full of radiation.

That alone, of course, would have been an outrage; but on top of that, the burial site was located literally steps from the very residential Barrington Avenue - which even in the '50s was already lined with small apartment buildings.

When the scandal emerged, they simply sent a team of "experts" to give the site a "nothing to see here folks" clean bill of health, and that was that.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
4. I love dogs but you can't give people heart attacks to study heart disease ...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:35 PM
Sep 2017

.... now if there is a way to do the study w/out hurting the dogs then do that
but sometimes things can't be perfect.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. Seems the only argument to experiment on animals is "the alternative is worse..."
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:44 PM
Sep 2017

Seems the only argument to experiment on animals is "the alternative is worse..."

Appears an absurd way to rationalize our sins against life, but that's what humans do best-- rationalize.

Phoenix61

(17,000 posts)
5. There's a time and place for everything
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 02:37 PM
Sep 2017

That being said, with the technology available, animal experimentation is nowhere near as necessary as it used to be. It should be used as a last resort.

Bayard

(22,057 posts)
8. They go for Beagles
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 04:12 PM
Sep 2017

They're such friendly, placid little dogs, so easy for them to work on. They've done the same thing with Greyhounds retired off the track. Wonderful temperaments, that will wag their tails no matter what's done to them. My ex used to work at Univ. of Louisville's med school. He said they would take the same dogs and repeatedly break their legs, or amputate them so students could set/reattach.

There are too many alternatives to animal research now, but I have no problem with experimentation on people who are convicted of, for instance, killing kids in horrible ways.

Flame on.

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