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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:35 AM Sep 2017

Zinke: One-third of Interior employees not loyal to Trump

Source: Associated Press




By MATTHEW DALY
Today

WASHINGTON (AP) — Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke said Monday that nearly one-third of employees at his department are not loyal to him and President Donald Trump, adding that he is working to change the department’s regulatory culture to be more business friendly.

Zinke, a former Navy SEAL, said he knew when he took over the 70,000-employee department in March that, “I got 30 percent of the crew that’s not loyal to the flag.”

In a speech to an oil industry group, Zinke compared Interior to a pirate ship that captures “a prized ship at sea and only the captain and the first mate row over” to finish the mission. “We do have good people” at Interior, he said, “but the direction has to be clear and you’ve got to hold people accountable.”

Zinke’s comments echo complaints by some White House allies that a permanent, “deep state” in Washington has sabotaged Trump’s efforts to remake the government.

Read more: https://apnews.com/570c910d21be41869f76d45a2c55c359

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Zinke: One-third of Interior employees not loyal to Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
None of them should be Sanity Claws Sep 2017 #1
Yeah, was gonna say, only one-third? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #39
There is the 1/3 you see and the 1/3 you don"t. NCjack Sep 2017 #40
LOL! My first thought too - ONLY one third? /nt bitterross Sep 2017 #52
Loyal to the flag? onlyadream Sep 2017 #2
No. Loyal (or not) to the Trump-Zinke flag. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #25
They better fucking not be! yallerdawg Sep 2017 #3
Zinke statements show that he is the one out of step with American values rurallib Sep 2017 #4
(maybe they did....... lastlib Sep 2017 #38
I would absolutely not be surprised if it were more like 75% not 'loyal' to Trump. PatrickforO Sep 2017 #5
Recently retired from DOI. KPN Sep 2017 #6
Which flag is he talking about? ArizonaLib Sep 2017 #7
The Jolly Roger - "literally" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #36
They mistakenly call it the Stars and Bars which is a different flag altogether ArizonaLib Sep 2017 #55
You mean 2/3 are? Good grief. PSPS Sep 2017 #8
Trump's jealous of the Fuhrereid: Girard442 Sep 2017 #9
Turf the Turd Reich. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #26
So is Zinke the pirate in his analogy? IronLionZion Sep 2017 #10
The question is Are those people loyal to the country United States of America. lancelyons Sep 2017 #11
they can't even fill appointments Marthe48 Sep 2017 #28
Oh, but that's what he'd like to do not fooled Sep 2017 #33
Da Fuck? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2017 #12
A Traitor to the Department's mission installed by bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #13
Totalitarian. Autocratic. Authoritarian. Fascist. Anti-democracy asswipes. Solly Mack Sep 2017 #14
Have these idiots ever heard of the Civil Service? greatauntoftriplets Sep 2017 #15
What page of Mein Kampf is that on? If it ain't there, Zinke hasn't read it. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #22
This gang is really annoying and their stupidity is getting on my nerves! logosoco Sep 2017 #16
Says Zinke the thief!! atreides1 Sep 2017 #17
Federal employees take an OATH to DEFEND the CONSTITUTION... lastlib Sep 2017 #18
Maybe Zinke thinks the oaths were misprinted? ArizonaLib Sep 2017 #35
L'etat, c'est moi! bluedigger Sep 2017 #19
Hey Zinke, you support a f*cking traitor, it's that simple, you said yes.......... turbinetree Sep 2017 #20
Chilling as hell. nt Hekate Sep 2017 #21
What the shit is this??? Loyal to the flag? RAFisher Sep 2017 #23
Translation: Zinke wants to allow the timber industry to clear out national forests & drill in the muntrv Sep 2017 #24
It should be zero percent are loyal to any given president or person Victor_c3 Sep 2017 #27
There is no deep state, only mass revulsion at idiocy and ignorance. kwassa Sep 2017 #29
He knows this how? SharonClark Sep 2017 #30
WTF? matt819 Sep 2017 #31
He needs to be impeached. nt BumRushDaShow Sep 2017 #32
As a former Navy Seal he must know you earn respect! usaf-vet Sep 2017 #34
They are no doubt not fooled Sep 2017 #37
You know he's lying ... GeorgeGist Sep 2017 #41
That's the idea behind the Civil Service, Ryan. DavidDvorkin Sep 2017 #42
ding ding ding and we have a winner dembotoz Sep 2017 #45
When will this nightmare end? mtngirl47 Sep 2017 #43
they shouldn't be weissmam Sep 2017 #44
Banana republic... Blue_Tires Sep 2017 #46
Loyalty is only to the Constitution. Zinke delisen Sep 2017 #47
Zinke is hinky, no way, just 30% oppose Trump. dae Sep 2017 #48
They're supposed to work for the American public Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2017 #49
He can take a flying leap. Loyal to the flag? Fascism is hete. sinkingfeeling Sep 2017 #50
There are at least ten #AltGovt National Park Service (NPS) or Department of the Interior sites. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2017 #51
Make them swear loyalty to Trump then, asshole dalton99a Sep 2017 #53
Nor should they be Retrograde Sep 2017 #54

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. They better fucking not be!
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:41 AM
Sep 2017

Trump isn't "the flag" - and his alleged "patriotism" is just more huckster bullshit for the gullible masses.

Release your tax records, you lying piece of crap!

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
4. Zinke statements show that he is the one out of step with American values
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:42 AM
Sep 2017

it is a shame the senate didn't take this into account when they approved him.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
5. I would absolutely not be surprised if it were more like 75% not 'loyal' to Trump.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:42 AM
Sep 2017

The people he's been appointing are wreckers, not builders, and civil servants are generally quite dedicated to their careers and proud of the services they provide. Then you get some asshole appointee in there who is an ideologue who doesn't want to actually govern and lead, but instead wants to destroy what has been built, pull it apart brick by brick, and guess what? Those civil servants will quietly hamper every effort to do that. After all, if you've worked in a system for years, know the good that it does, and believe in what it and you are doing each day, are you going to allow some ignorant asshole (and Trump's appointees are ALL ignorant assholes) rip it down?

KPN

(15,642 posts)
6. Recently retired from DOI.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:45 AM
Sep 2017

No Mr. Zinke, you are wrong. 100 percent of DOI employees are loyal to the United States. Fewer than 30% are loyal to Trump and his/your "flag".

There is no deep State unless you call reasonable, prudent, thoughtful, educated and honest professionals a deep State. Fuck off madmen!

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
7. Which flag is he talking about?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:45 AM
Sep 2017

The Russian flag? The confederate battle flag? The one Germany used in the 30's? What was his test? Did he take a poll - "mark the 'yes' box if you like me"?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
36. The Jolly Roger - "literally"
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:37 AM
Sep 2017
"I got 30% of the crew that's not loyal to the flag," he said. "It is literally like capturing a prized ship at sea and only the captain and the first mate row over."

https://www.axios.com/generate-2489407280.html

(To be totally fair, I'm not sure if it's not the AP and/or other reporters that are assuming pirates here, while Zinke might be thinking more along the lines of Hornblower etc. who also talk about "prize ships" (no 'd'). There doesn't seem to be a longer direct quote anywhere yet)

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
55. They mistakenly call it the Stars and Bars which is a different flag altogether
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:28 AM
Sep 2017

Those idiots don't know that it is not the confederate national flag, but rather, a flag of active treason.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
9. Trump's jealous of the Fuhrereid:
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:49 AM
Sep 2017
I swear by God this holy oath, that I want to offer unconditional obedience to the Führer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, the commander-in-chief of the Wehrmacht, and be prepared as a brave soldier to risk my life for this oath at any time.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichswehreid

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
10. So is Zinke the pirate in his analogy?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:51 AM
Sep 2017

and he plans to loot and plunder America's natural resources for profit and that pesky 30% are getting in the way?

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
11. The question is Are those people loyal to the country United States of America.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:56 AM
Sep 2017

The idea that they have to be loyal to Trump is ridiculous.

You also cant come in an install 70000 new republican employees just because they dont kiss your ass.

A leader needs to convince the followers to follow.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
33. Oh, but that's what he'd like to do
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:33 AM
Sep 2017

Nothing would make him and his fuhrer happier than a wholesale purge, followed by hiring toadys and sycophants. They would like to do this to every Federal agency. And you can bet they are trying to figure out how to gut the Civil Service code to be able to.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
14. Totalitarian. Autocratic. Authoritarian. Fascist. Anti-democracy asswipes.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:09 AM
Sep 2017

"...that’s not loyal to the flag."

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
16. This gang is really annoying and their stupidity is getting on my nerves!
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:18 AM
Sep 2017

The Department of the Interior is not about BUSINESS! It is about the actual physical country. Rump and his ilk do not see anything in life that is not connected to $$$$$$

I say three cheers for the folks that have probably been with the department for many years for not getting behind this horrid administration.

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
17. Says Zinke the thief!!
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:20 AM
Sep 2017

None of the federal employees should be loyal to him or to his draft dodging pal in the White House! Their loyalty should be to the country, to the Constitution, not to a thief like Zinke, or a conman like Trump!!!

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
18. Federal employees take an OATH to DEFEND the CONSTITUTION...
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:20 AM
Sep 2017

...against all enemies, foreign and domestic. (As George Takei famously said, that ferret-headed fucknugget is the latter.) They do not take an oath of loyalty to a flag, and they ESPECIALLY do not take an oath to said ferret-headed fucknugget!

Zinke--is that your name, or what your head is made of?--go off somewhere and give yourself some personal gratification.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
35. Maybe Zinke thinks the oaths were misprinted?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:36 AM
Sep 2017

Maybe he started changing the oaths too late? Someone should sue for violating fiduciary responsibilities.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
24. Translation: Zinke wants to allow the timber industry to clear out national forests & drill in the
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:00 AM
Sep 2017

Grand Canyon.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
27. It should be zero percent are loyal to any given president or person
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:15 AM
Sep 2017

Federal employees, like the military, take an oath of loyalty to the constitution. It is very deliberate that they don't take an of loyalty to any particular person.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
29. There is no deep state, only mass revulsion at idiocy and ignorance.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:20 AM
Sep 2017

Qualities that Trump and Zinke bring to the Department of the Interior.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
34. As a former Navy Seal he must know you earn respect!
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:36 AM
Sep 2017

I won't judge him as I don't know enough about him thru his public statements.

But for the president he has done NOTHING to earn the respect. He spent the weekend Tweeting about NFL players while failing to even start to address the needs of Puerto Rico an American Territory.

The president acts like a grade school play ground bully while Americans in Texas, Florida, and Puerto Rico are suffering from hurricane damage all around them.

He has not earned my respect or the respect of two thirds of the America people.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
37. They are no doubt
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:39 AM
Sep 2017

using scarce resources to monitor employees' email and perhaps even phone calls, looking for signs of "disloyalty".

I know that employees in another Federal Department early on in this regime got the message--literally--that the new admin was scanning their emails for 5 key words--trump, 2020, election, and 2 more I can't remember now. Of course Federal civil servants are not supposed to engage in politicking while on the job, but the dumpster's intent was clearly to cow and intimidate employees they knew were horrified at the new regime.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
51. There are at least ten #AltGovt National Park Service (NPS) or Department of the Interior sites.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:12 PM
Sep 2017

Some of them, though, haven't tweeted in a long time. The punctuation is theirs.

* * * * *

More {#AltGovt sites}, added March 30, 2017. Updated September 18, 2017.

Alt-Badlands NPS: @AltBadlandsNPS

Bigly fake #badlandsnationalpark. 'Sad!' - Donald J Trump. #badlands #climate #science #datarefuge #resist #resistance Seriously not affiliated with the NPS.

AltUSNatParkService: @AltNatParkSer

The #Resistance team against #AltFacts #FauxNews #FauxScience. #Science #Climate #Facts Run by non-gov individuals

AltYellowstoneNatPar: @AltYelloNatPark

An unofficial group of employees scientists and activists, in and around Yellowstone national park. We will try and keep you informed, when others can't.

Alt Hi Volcanoes NP: @AltHVNP

The #resist team of Hawaii Volcanoes National Park. Not taxpayer funded. Our work includes education, archiving scientific data, legislative action. Join us.

AltBiscayneNPS: @AltBiscayneNPS

An unofficial group of employees, scientists, and activists in and around Biscayne national park. We will try and keep you informed when others can't.

BadHombreLands NPS: ?@BadHombreNPS

Unofficial feed of Badlands NP. Protecting rugged scenery, fossil beds, 244,000 acres of mixed-grass prairie & wildlife from two-bit cheetoh-hued despots.

ALT WASO NPS: @AltWASONPS

Alt US National Park Service #altnps Official Washington D.C. Office #Resistance Team Protect & preserve the US from facism. Not taxpayer funded.

AltFireAviationNPS: @AltFireAviation

Alternative Fire&AviationMngtNPS Sharing Facts on the Effects of Climate Change on Fire & Fuels #AlternativeFacts Free Zone #resist #theResistance

Alt-San Juan Isle NP: @AltSanJuanIsNP

Not affiliated with San Juan Island National Park. You will not see Russia from the Front Porch, but in American Camp your cell phone says you're in Canada.

San Juan Island, Washington, USA

NastyWomenofNPS: @NastyWomenofNPS

The Unofficial Resistance team of nasty lady rangers your elected officials warned you about. We may even be in a park near you! #OrderoftheBison

Alt Dept of Interior: @altinterior

Not associated with the US Department of Interior or it's employees

* * * * *

Zinke's right, our oath of loyalty doesn't say anything about the flag OR the president. #DefendtheConstitution


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