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Akoto

(4,266 posts)
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:08 PM Sep 2017

Gov. Scott wants 3-day limits on prescribed opiates, $50 million

Source: CBS12, Announcement by Governor Scott

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (CBS12) — Gov. Scott wants 3-day limits on prescribed opioids and more than $50 million to fight the growing problem in Florida.

The governor is traveling across the state to push his proposals for the upcoming legislative session. Scott spoke at the headquarters for the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office Tuesday afternoon after a stop in Bradenton earlier in the day.

"This is an issue that is impacting our entire state and we have to find a way that works," Scott said.

The major legislation being proposed by the governor includes restricting how opioids are prescribed. For people to get more than a 3-day supply, they'd have to meet strict conditions for a 7-day supply. Other measures include requiring all healthcare professionals who prescribe or dispense medications to take part in the Florida Prescription Drug Monitoring Program, the statewide database tracks prescriptions for controlled substances.

Read more: http://cbs12.com/news/local/scott-wants-3-day-limits-on-prescribed-opioids-50-million



This is an issue of extreme concern to me, because I am a chronic pain patient whose syndrome is incurable. I have been taking Tramadol, a synthetic opiate, as part of the cocktail of medications to at least alleviate some of my symptoms for the past ten years. The medications were by no means a cure, and still aren't, but I was suicidal the first year before I began pain management treatment at the University of Miami - UM/Sylvester hospital system. I haven't been since.

There are many other people in my same position, and as much as Scott and his supporters speak to the virtues of what they're doing, they say nothing about the people with a legitimate and ongoing need for these medications who will be negatively impacted. When I say negatively impacted, I mean anything from a return to a worsened debilitation to outright death if their dosages are suddenly cut so dramatically. Chronic pain treatment requires a constant supply of the medication in the system. Note, the constant supply in system thing applies to a lot of other medications, not just opiates. You can't just suddenly cut someone down from that to seven or three days, assuming these new rules don't scare even more doctors away from prescribing.

I spoke with my pharmacist at CVS right after this was on the news. She's become as much a part of my pain management team as the doctors. She said that right now, what's been passed down is that they're only giving seven day supplies to people getting the meds from hospitals (ie ER patients). If the legislation passes, it will go down to three days and introduce a host of other rules, and she didn't know what CVS would do for people like me at that point. Her best guess was that I would have no choice but to wean off and try to find something else with my doctor, but it took a ton of experimentation to find this combination of meds. Her only hope in my case was that, if this passes, Tramadol is low on the list of medications they're concerned with and might be excluded. No promises.

I would encourage everyone to call the governor's office to speak in support of the chronically ill and disabled who will suffer as a result of this bill. Yes, there's an opioid problem and it does need to be addressed. However, there are many, many people who have a legitimate need and will be endangered either by the withdrawal or its consequences to their quality of life. You can reach his office by calling the congressional switchboard at 202-224-3121 and request the office of Governor Rick Scott of Florida.
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Gov. Scott wants 3-day limits on prescribed opiates, $50 million (Original Post) Akoto Sep 2017 OP
What kind of bullshit is this? People with severe pain have do drag their asses to the pharmacy catbyte Sep 2017 #1
Wonder how the Co-Pays come into play? n/t GP6971 Sep 2017 #26
Oh, man, what a nightmare. Insurance companies have the best chance at catbyte Sep 2017 #33
We know that Scott makes a ton of money reggaehead Sep 2017 #42
Tramadol has no affect on my pain. This is so wrong. Lochloosa Sep 2017 #2
Anyone can become addicted to these drugs gyroscope Sep 2017 #8
Anyone can be predisposed to addiction, but most chronic pain patients are rule abiding dependents. Akoto Sep 2017 #10
Most are rule-abiding dependents? gyroscope Sep 2017 #14
As I said in my OP... Akoto Sep 2017 #18
That's me, dead on target SonofDonald Sep 2017 #21
So? That doesn't mean no one should be prescribed them. What about cancer patients? pnwmom Sep 2017 #15
Where does it say Governor Scott wants to ban these drugs? gyroscope Sep 2017 #17
There is a huge difference between limiting prescriptions to 3 days and handing them out like candy. pnwmom Sep 2017 #19
And when did he become so concerned with the people in his state? dixiegrrrrl Sep 2017 #32
I am well aware of the chances for addiction. Lochloosa Sep 2017 #27
That's a fallacy. Only 10% of people with legitimate pain become addicted, and catbyte Sep 2017 #34
Only 1 out of 10 become addicted? gyroscope Sep 2017 #38
That 10% doesn't mean that they all turn into raving heroin addicts. catbyte Sep 2017 #40
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #44
Isn't that how the opiod problem started? JonLP24 Sep 2017 #3
There's a difference in the two situations. Akoto Sep 2017 #7
At the beginning madokie Sep 2017 #50
No, it isn't. It blew up because Big Pharma passed out Oxycontin like candy to doctors, catbyte Sep 2017 #35
I knew heroin addicts that said they got started on Percecot usually JonLP24 Sep 2017 #37
That's where overprescribing for acute pain comes in. Such strong catbyte Sep 2017 #41
Exactly! And most doctors just go along with whatever their pill reps tell them - Native Sep 2017 #43
Punish the law-abiding doctors and citizens with more regulations bucolic_frolic Sep 2017 #4
The big pharma lobby will not be happy with Governor Scott gyroscope Sep 2017 #5
People who need painkillers will sufffer TREMENDOUSLY in this situation. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #6
They should make gun owners renew their licenses every 3-7 days. Cattledog Sep 2017 #9
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #49
This "opioid crisis" is a media-manufactured bullshit story. Archae Sep 2017 #11
100% wrong obamanut2012 Sep 2017 #20
Which part is wrong? They_Live Sep 2017 #25
That's right. They_Live Sep 2017 #24
So the media is just making it all up? gyroscope Sep 2017 #39
The emphasis by the media is what I was referring to They_Live Sep 2017 #46
Not completely making it up. Archae Sep 2017 #51
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #45
Whew, Boy are you wrong on this one. Old Vet Sep 2017 #54
How so? Archae Sep 2017 #55
The sociopathic elite do this to earn badges of honor MarcA Sep 2017 #12
No mention about looking into medical marijuana. logosoco Sep 2017 #13
This will drive a new wave of street drug sales truthisfreedom Sep 2017 #16
Oh hell yeah. People will be buying herion in droves. Scott is probably investing in the company elehhhhna Sep 2017 #29
I completely agree with original post. Akacia Sep 2017 #22
Does Scott/family have any financial interest in more doctor visits and more frequent prescriptions keithbvadu2 Sep 2017 #23
in fla ffs. mopinko Sep 2017 #28
Scorched intestines from NSAIDS CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #47
That's probably for initial prescriptions, not ongoing ones. Yo_Mama Sep 2017 #30
... CountAllVotes Sep 2017 #48
This would have really caused my mother to needlessly have suffered in her final years as she needed cstanleytech Sep 2017 #31
Can not imagine only 3or7 days for meds dembotoz Sep 2017 #36
If I lived in Florida I would be considering suicide right now. Coventina Sep 2017 #52
Kratom 2012lurker Sep 2017 #53
Laws like this melm00se Sep 2017 #56

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
1. What kind of bullshit is this? People with severe pain have do drag their asses to the pharmacy
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:12 PM
Sep 2017

every 3-7 days just to survive? What a crock of horseshit. And I'm sure all of the pharmacists in Florida will be thrilled with all the extra work and sobbing customers.

Those shitheads always make things worse.

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
33. Oh, man, what a nightmare. Insurance companies have the best chance at
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:30 PM
Sep 2017

scuttling this piece of shit bill

reggaehead

(269 posts)
42. We know that Scott makes a ton of money
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:06 AM
Sep 2017

From mandatory drug testing for welfare. Stands to reason he’s got his hands in this cookie jar too.

Lochloosa

(16,062 posts)
2. Tramadol has no affect on my pain. This is so wrong.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:12 PM
Sep 2017

Go after the pill mills. Not the people that need meds and use them responsibly.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
8. Anyone can become addicted to these drugs
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:17 PM
Sep 2017

most who become addicted to prescription opioids were once law-biding citizens.

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
10. Anyone can be predisposed to addiction, but most chronic pain patients are rule abiding dependents.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:22 PM
Sep 2017

Dependency applies to many kinds of medications, not just opiates. Speaking to this specific situation, someone dependent upon a pain medication for a chronic condition requires the regular dose prescribed by their doctor or they go into withdrawal. *However*, they do not have cravings for the medication, nor do they abuse it by taking more than is prescribed or seek out extra from sources other than their doctor.

That is the very important difference between a legitimate patient with a dependency, and someone with addiction issues who goes out of control and seeks from illegitimate sources.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
14. Most are rule-abiding dependents?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:28 PM
Sep 2017

so we should ignore the very substantial number of people that do become addicted to these narcotics?

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
18. As I said in my OP...
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:37 PM
Sep 2017

There is a problem with opiates and it does need to be addressed. I said exactly that in my original post.

My point was that the sweeping legislation Scott is attempting to introduce has no regard whatsoever for its impact upon legitimate patients who could suffer life altering consequences as a result. I know that going back to the condition I was in before I began treatment could well return me to that suicidal state of mind prompted by the severity of the pain. That's a terrifying prospect.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
21. That's me, dead on target
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:07 PM
Sep 2017

I don't have cravings, I don't take more than prescribed, I don't run out.

But if I did after 5 years on morphine I'd be screwed six ways to Sunday, I go to a pain clinic, jump through every hoop including lots of UA tests and even a blood test now and then, I have a medication agreement with the pain clinic, my Doctor and my pharmacy.

If I screw up I'm finished, and I can't have ANY quality of life without my pain meds.

And I did go through every type of pain killer or other meds to try to help before morphine.

I take two pills a day and they last 12 hours, nothing else does that, a percosets or Vicodin only lasts 4 hours and your taking so much ancetaminophen in those that it can't be good.

I have come down 33% in my meds in the last year due to some medical procedures.

But I'll never be off pain meds, and that. 3 day crap?.

Kiss my rear end.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
15. So? That doesn't mean no one should be prescribed them. What about cancer patients?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:31 PM
Sep 2017

What about other people with long term, incurable pain?

I have taken opioids on a short term basis after surgeries. Should I have been denied them because some other people became addicted to them?

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
17. Where does it say Governor Scott wants to ban these drugs?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:35 PM
Sep 2017

any kind of powerful addictive narcotics ought to be carefully monitored and not handed out like candy.

ESPECIALLY when there is a financial incentive for doctors and drug companies to do the latter.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
19. There is a huge difference between limiting prescriptions to 3 days and handing them out like candy.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:38 PM
Sep 2017

A 3 day limit would be a great inconvenience for many legitimate patients. Even a 7 day limit would be too short for many surgical patients.

Where are the studies that would justify this? This seems like a political decision more than a medical decision.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. And when did he become so concerned with the people in his state?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:22 PM
Sep 2017

My spidey senses are telling me there is money somewhere in this rather sudden discovery and publicity about the problem,
which has been around for ages, so why now?

Lochloosa

(16,062 posts)
27. I am well aware of the chances for addiction.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:29 PM
Sep 2017

But, after 7 years I'm also sure that will not happen to me.

Right now, I am required to go to my Doctor every 30 days

I can't call in my prescription. It has to be a signed paper one.

My pharmacist, who is great, won't fill my prescription till 30 days is up.

And I have to pee in a cup every 60 days to PROVE I'm taking my meds.

How many hurdles should I have?

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
34. That's a fallacy. Only 10% of people with legitimate pain become addicted, and
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:33 PM
Sep 2017

most of those could still be helped in the weaning process. The other 90% are just fine. That is a lie.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
38. Only 1 out of 10 become addicted?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:17 PM
Sep 2017

the rate of addiction is the same as any narcotic, which are generally highly addictive.

1 in 10 is a very high rate of addiction. if one doctor has 10 people coming in a week for these drugs that means at least one person a week is getting addicted, at least one persons life a week is being destroyed by these drugs. 50 people a year from just one doctor whose lives are potentially being destroyed. multiply that by all the doctors in the country and we are talking about millions of addicts. that is called an epidemic.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
44. +1,000 !!
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:04 AM
Sep 2017

For those that suffer from CIP (Chronic intractable pain) this is a nightmare.

Many will give up and either commit suicide or die or turn to heroin. Good job (not!)!!

Some think this is an overstatement but it is not.

I heard from a sort of relative the other day. It is an old woman 88 years of age that was born with a severe deformity in her spine. She has suffered her entire life, having had many surgeries over the years.

Today at 88 years of age, she is all bent over from osteoporosis and the spinal deformity she has lived with her entire life and the chronic intractable pain that goes with it.

She is now being told no more pain medication for her. She has been going to a pain clinic and they want to cut her off. She will die if they do. She was in tears and it seems that she does not have a clear DX in her medical files! I was shocked to hear this, but NO DX when she was born with the problem?

She was a Democrat in her day. Now her greedy puke kids have convinced her to be a puke. And so she is now (well maybe she is done now, I don't know) and she called me on the phone crying. She can't live without the pain meds. She voted for it and now she has it; a clear case of buyer's remorse.

As a person who lives with the same problem (but yes, I have the shitty DX that is required), I have compassion for her as I know what her problem is and have known about it my entire life. The deformity she was born with is something one would not care to advertise, but it is very real.

Why is there no DX in her records?

I know they tried to scrape it out of mine (peripheral neuropathy) and I fortunately have a copy of the original unaltered notes that state I have nerve damage, MS, etc. etc. etc. All of it = severe chronic pain and yes, they have attempted to remove it from my medical records which clearly state I have had this problem since 1984. FUCK THEM.

If they cut me off, I will end up in a wheelchair real fast and I too will die soon. They know this. Shame on them the stinking rats that they are. May they go down with the stinking ship they sailed in on.



JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. Isn't that how the opiod problem started?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:12 PM
Sep 2017

Prescribing people with legitimate needs when they ran out they moved to heroin which I could see as a potential problem with this 3day thing.

Akoto

(4,266 posts)
7. There's a difference in the two situations.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:16 PM
Sep 2017

The kind of cases you're discussing are people who have some kind of injury, develop an addiction while using pain medications for it, and then go on to pursuing more via illegal sources. When Scott's people think of the problem, this is at least partly what they envision.

The kind of cases I'm discussing are people with chronic conditions which never go away and are often painful to the point of being legally disabling (as was the ruling in my case). People like me have a dependency, not an addiction. We don't abuse the medications and we adhere to the doctor's instructions. However, our problem is never going to go away and we need the medication all of the time.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
50. At the beginning
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:33 AM
Sep 2017

my doctor told me that I should go apply for disability because I would never work again. I applied and three months later I got my first SSD check. No denials, no anything except approval. Thats been 12 or so years ago. I've been on pain meds this whole time. Started off on morphine but it was too much for me so I asked the doctor for something that wasn't so strong so I was put on hydrocodone. Been on it ever since. No one that I know ever suspects that I might be taking pain meds cause I never and I mean I NEVER take more than one every six hours. I personally didn't like the high that came with them at first but had no choice but to take them because of the pain and I'm here to tell you that that high went away soon after I started taking them. I have not felt euphoric from my pain meds since shortly after starting to take them all those years ago.
You know what causes me more problems now than anything, you guess it if you thought it was all this bullshit about taking the only thing that allows me to have any quality of life away


Fuck the whole bunch of them

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
35. No, it isn't. It blew up because Big Pharma passed out Oxycontin like candy to doctors,
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:43 PM
Sep 2017

telling them it was a ""non-addictive opioid." What a disaster. They misprescribed it like crazy and a crisis was born. They said the time-release would somehow prevent addiction so the prescribed it for short-term pain which was a HUGE mistake. It didn't take long for them to figure out that crushing the pills was better than heroin. The problem was doctors didn't wean them off the meds properly so they went in search of a high. People with legitimate chronic pain don't feel the high--the pain sucks it all up.

We've had an opioid problem since the first time someone realized that pretty poppy made them feel really, really good.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
37. I knew heroin addicts that said they got started on Percecot usually
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:08 PM
Sep 2017

Something like pain from an auto accident. I'm sure oxycontin was a big part of that but you can get opiod withdrawal from all sorts of pills which they use heroin for the "dope sickness".

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
41. That's where overprescribing for acute pain comes in. Such strong
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:23 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:42 AM - Edit history (1)

analgesics usually aren't necessary after a week postoperative or after an accident. All of the chronic pain sufferers I know say they don't even feel a "high" from their medication. It just allows them to live a normal life.

Native

(5,939 posts)
43. Exactly! And most doctors just go along with whatever their pill reps tell them -
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:05 AM
Sep 2017

it's almost malpractice. IMO it's the doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that are to blame for this problem, not the patients. And I don't see why one idiot in the driver's seat should be steering us through this mess. I'd love to know Scott's true motivation.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
4. Punish the law-abiding doctors and citizens with more regulations
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:12 PM
Sep 2017

more work for everyone. Pharmacies will love the volume and twice a week refills

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
5. The big pharma lobby will not be happy with Governor Scott
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:14 PM
Sep 2017

threatening their cash cow like that! how dare he!

whats the matter was their check not big enough this time?

Archae

(46,314 posts)
11. This "opioid crisis" is a media-manufactured bullshit story.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:24 PM
Sep 2017

We've had a "opioid crisis" since just after the Civil War, when 'soothing syrup" for babies had heroin in it.

There's been heroin on the streets for decades.

The "news" media loves this story, lets them make inflammatory stories about "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll," meanwhile actual PATIENTS will have to jump through hoops and swear allegiance to Satan to get the relief they need for pain.

I have a problem with sever chronic headaches, and I've been through it all.
Doctors labeling me a "faker" who just wants narcotics.
Forced AA and NA meetings even though I wasn't drunk or stoned.
"Therapists" convincing my family that I was headed for the needle and the gutter.

It's bullshit.
Pure and simple.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
39. So the media is just making it all up?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:19 PM
Sep 2017

are you a Trump supporter?

What about the CDC who say there is a epidemic of prescription drug abuse?
Are they in on the conspiracy as well? You people are nuts.

They_Live

(3,231 posts)
46. The emphasis by the media is what I was referring to
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:17 AM
Sep 2017

This is not a new problem. Definitely not a Trump supporter, that's insulting.

Archae

(46,314 posts)
51. Not completely making it up.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:03 AM
Sep 2017

But blowing it way out of proportion, to get ratings.

Meanwhile, worse "epidemics of abuse" are getting short shrift.

Like alcohol abuse.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
45. +1,000 !!
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:12 AM
Sep 2017

100% agree and yes, I too am sickened by this bullshit!

How many will die because of this crap? HOW MANY?



Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
54. Whew, Boy are you wrong on this one.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:41 AM
Sep 2017

I don't even know where to start, All I can say is your dead wrong.

Archae

(46,314 posts)
55. How so?
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:49 AM
Sep 2017

Like I said, this "opioid crisis" is being blown out of proportions to get ratings, meanwhile far worse abuse like alcohol gets short shrift.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
12. The sociopathic elite do this to earn badges of honor
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:25 PM
Sep 2017

from their fellow ilk. They care nothing for the 99%.
They care only about what they can do to and get from us.

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
13. No mention about looking into medical marijuana.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:26 PM
Sep 2017

That's too bad. I think that is something that could be prescribed for many people and there is no worry about addiction. It helps me tremendously (and vaping CBD) with my chronic pain issues (which I do not even bother going to a doctor for because I am not interested in pills, most of which cause other side effects or can lead to addiction).

Gov. Scott is throwing so many people under the bus with a generic "solution".

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
29. Oh hell yeah. People will be buying herion in droves. Scott is probably investing in the company
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:54 PM
Sep 2017

that makes Narcan

Akacia

(583 posts)
22. I completely agree with original post.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:08 PM
Sep 2017

I too take Tramadol and without it would suffer immensely. I am monitored by my Doctor every 3 months and this includes a drug test. I really think that this legislation will cause much harm to many and provide little solution for the opiate problem. For people that do not suffer from chronic pain I hope that you could try to understand what it is like to not even be able to function without the medication. Being made to refill every 3 or 7 days is ridiculous and an absurdity . Life is complicated enough for people that suffer without adding to their burden!

mopinko

(70,071 posts)
28. in fla ffs.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:49 PM
Sep 2017

i took a lot of nsaids for a long time to deal w chronic pain, and i have the scorched intestines to prove it.
luckily lyrica and cymbalta have got me functioning well. but tramadol would be the next option.

for people who have chronic issues, most actually have a paper trail showing that they use their meds responsibly. like, right there are the pharmacy.

in a state w such an old population, all the arthritis, etc, this is just cruel as fuck and stupid as rocks.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
47. Scorched intestines from NSAIDS
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:19 AM
Sep 2017

NSAIDS almost killed me I kid you not. I am missing 1/2 of my intestines because of them. It made my options few after that but they found something that works for me and I need to take one pill of "it" a day to continue to be able to walk, drive and otherwise function.

These bastards are living their wonderful little lives with no health problems it seems to me. They have no idea what living in chronic pain is like.

If the cut me off, I'm done. I don't care to live with all of the ugly pain. It is not acceptable to me and the pills I get don't knock it out completely, I'd need a stronger dose but have not dared ask for it out of fear, fear they might try to label me a drug addict.

So very sad this whole thing is.

Why criminalize those that are sick and suffering? WHY?



Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
30. That's probably for initial prescriptions, not ongoing ones.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:00 PM
Sep 2017

The legislation as described could never pass.

Even NJ, which is very strict, allows 30 day prescriptions for chronic pain patients, and allows exemptions for cancer/hospice, etc. What's described here cannot be the whole package.

Sadly, for some purposes and some patients opioids have no substitute.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
48. ...
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:22 AM
Sep 2017

Yep, 'tis the case w/peripheral neuropathy and the progressive disease known as multiple sclerosis.

I wonder if M.S. is on their little "list"? If it isn't they need to add it ASAP. At the local support group, about one-third of us suffer from severe chronic pain.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
31. This would have really caused my mother to needlessly have suffered in her final years as she needed
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:12 PM
Sep 2017

her morphine and her pain patches and I know for a fact she wasnt abusing or selling them since I was the one making sure she was given them on time since she couldnt recall if she had taken them and so I had to keep them locked up away from her.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
36. Can not imagine only 3or7 days for meds
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:43 PM
Sep 2017

Woman in my building has all kind of pain issues. Really crippled up.
Transportation is a real issue for her..
This is Wisconsin. We have bars all over town...not drug stores

Coventina

(27,093 posts)
52. If I lived in Florida I would be considering suicide right now.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:16 AM
Sep 2017

This is going to make life so hard for all who try to be law-abiding.

2012lurker

(4 posts)
53. Kratom
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:35 AM
Sep 2017

If there is anyone here (I am sure there are) who are struggling with opiates I would HIGHLY recommend trying Kratom. It is legal in most states and has helped me IMMEASURABLY with pain and helped get me off opiates.

melm00se

(4,989 posts)
56. Laws like this
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:34 PM
Sep 2017

which try to address/correct certain issues unfortunately impact those who are law abiding and have a true need.

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