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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:45 AM Sep 2017

Trump: NFL owners are scared of their players

Source: Politico




By LOUIS NELSON 09/28/2017 07:17 AM EDT

NFL team owners are hesitant to stop their players from kneeling in protest during the national anthem because “they’re afraid of their players,” President Donald Trump said Wednesday, insisting that they should nonetheless ban the practice league-wide.

“I have so many friends that are owners. And They’re in a box. I mean, I’ve spoken to a couple of them. They say, ‘we are in a situation where we have to do something,’” Trump said in an interview with Fox News’s “Fox & Friends” that was taped Wednesday and aired Thursday morning. “I think they're afraid of their players, you want to know the truth, and I think it's disgraceful. And they’ve got to be tough and they’ve got to be smart.”

The president’s tirade against the NFL and its players who kneel during the national anthem – a practice that started as a protest against racial inequality in the U.S. – began last Friday at a rally in Alabama, where Trump asked the crowd, “wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘get that son of a bitch off the field right now — he’s fired.’”

The remark, along with a flurry of tweets on the subject over the weekend, seemed only to spark more protest from NFL players. Even more players knelt during the anthem than before, while other teams stood on the sidelines with their arms interlocked in a show of unity. Three teams, the Tennessee Titans, Seattle Seahawks and Pittsburgh Steelers, opted to remain in their locker rooms during the anthem.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/28/trump-nfl-owners-controversy-243245

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Trump: NFL owners are scared of their players (Original Post) DonViejo Sep 2017 OP
Does he really think leftynyc Sep 2017 #1
He thinks it makes him look tough to his base NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #16
He really has no concept leftynyc Sep 2017 #19
I agree that it's not a winning issue for him NewJeffCT Sep 2017 #21
Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #31
Is english your second language? nt fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #33
English is my third language--what of it? gopiscrap Sep 2017 #37
It's just a marker, no need to get one's panties in a bunch. fleabiscuit Sep 2017 #44
#2 Yes. And there will be people who revolt against the players, pangaia Sep 2017 #27
You have NO friends, Trump janterry Sep 2017 #2
LOL @ "associates". Girard442 Sep 2017 #5
The box they are in is to remain true their team or give in to their prejudices randr Sep 2017 #3
i dont blame them..they NFL players scare ME..well all except.. samnsara Sep 2017 #4
Most of those guys are nice as can be when they're off the field jmowreader Sep 2017 #41
Could be... Zoonart Sep 2017 #6
Did Donny say this on his on or is it from a script that Putin sent him? Botany Sep 2017 #7
it is ALL Russian.. pangaia Sep 2017 #28
We are in a state of war w/Russia right now and .... Botany Sep 2017 #30
Vladislav Surkov, actually IamFortunesFool Sep 2017 #34
Thanks for the reminder. pangaia Sep 2017 #39
Well, yeah Bradical79 Sep 2017 #8
I've never seen Trump work so hard on anything for so long. forgotmylogin Sep 2017 #9
Vengeance is one thing he does spend a lot of time and effort on. tanyev Sep 2017 #13
Exactly. And today he's trying to bully the owners by basically calling them "pussies." Nay Sep 2017 #14
And Dumbo is scared of the big blue ocean IronLionZion Sep 2017 #10
This! True_Blue Sep 2017 #22
Trump is paving the way to a players' strike FakeNoose Sep 2017 #11
Hey fuckturd.... Aviation Pro Sep 2017 #12
FOX AND FRIENDS ARE PROBABLY HIS ONLY FRIENDS. riversedge Sep 2017 #15
He's telling his white base that to be afraid of all black men. sinkingfeeling Sep 2017 #17
Exactly. It's coded racism. Merlot Sep 2017 #23
You are right. It is a not-so-subtle way of saying that black men are dangerous. Chemisse Sep 2017 #32
That was my first impression, too King_Klonopin Sep 2017 #36
That was my first thought on reading this. murielm99 Sep 2017 #45
They ain't whippin them slaves right!!!! Mopar151 Sep 2017 #48
Yep, no doubt Bob Loblaw Sep 2017 #46
He will say anything to divide this country further. world wide wally Sep 2017 #18
He is full of shit Cracklin Charlie Sep 2017 #20
It's not about solidarity, it's about racism. Merlot Sep 2017 #24
Just stop with the racist dog whistles asshole orange faced freak lunasun Sep 2017 #25
Players carry guns...eom Kolesar Sep 2017 #26
Trump should know about being scared atreides1 Sep 2017 #29
Trump is a divider and not a uniter Gothmog Sep 2017 #35
pro-JEC-tion! annabanana Sep 2017 #38
As if the doughturd knows anything about tough and smart. BHDem53 Sep 2017 #40
DISTRACTION!!! He cooked this up as a wedge issue to throw red meat to his racist supporters. FreeStateDemocrat Sep 2017 #42
Good. Business owners SHOULD be a little scared of their employees NickB79 Sep 2017 #43
He can only comprehend fear as a motivation. They_Live Sep 2017 #47
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. Does he really think
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:47 AM
Sep 2017

1. That announcing he thinks the owners are wimps helps him
2. That anyone is going to believe they're actually AFRAID of the players when they're the ones who write the checks

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. He thinks it makes him look tough to his base
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:29 AM
Sep 2017

these billionaires can't stand up to black people, but I can.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. He really has no concept
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:45 AM
Sep 2017

of standing shoulder to shoulder with the people who MADE them billionaires, does he? It must have really chapped his ass to see the white players, coaches and owners all taking a knee along with the black ones. He thinks this is a winning issue for him. He couldn't be more wrong. His base doesn't represent this country.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
21. I agree that it's not a winning issue for him
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:07 AM
Sep 2017

but, I'm guessing it will play well with much of his base and he needs them to turn out in Virginia & NJ for the governor's races this year, as well as next year for Congress and Senate...

Response to leftynyc (Reply #19)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
27. #2 Yes. And there will be people who revolt against the players,
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:33 AM
Sep 2017

it is more of A. Dugin's disrupt and destroy technique, whether trump knows it or not.

Looks like some 35,000, oopss now 50,000... on change.org are going after Ray Lewis..
Why change.org ?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/petition-seeks-removal-ray-lewis-statue-nfl-protest-50150868

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
2. You have NO friends, Trump
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:48 AM
Sep 2017

You have 'associates' not friends
(to usurp a term the guys I worked with in prison liked to use)

randr

(12,409 posts)
3. The box they are in is to remain true their team or give in to their prejudices
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:50 AM
Sep 2017

Similar to the one the lsos is in; be an American or be a fascist.

samnsara

(17,604 posts)
4. i dont blame them..they NFL players scare ME..well all except..
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:52 AM
Sep 2017

..Russell Wilson.....or Richard Sherman. Beast Mode was kinda scary.....but in a good way

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
41. Most of those guys are nice as can be when they're off the field
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:13 PM
Sep 2017

Richie Incognito is probably an asshole 24-7, but the rest of 'em? You don't build up a fan base by being a dick.

Zoonart

(11,832 posts)
6. Could be...
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:53 AM
Sep 2017

the owners are afraid that if they push back against the protest their players will walk out. They have a pretty strong union. i think that the resident is involved in union busting here, by threatening livelihood of players that protest.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
7. Did Donny say this on his on or is it from a script that Putin sent him?
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:53 AM
Sep 2017

"The NFL Kneel Thing" I am now convinced is part of a policy to get people
riled up over nothing because Russia wants to distract us w/non issues.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmaker-russian-trolls-trying-to-sow-discord-in-nfl-kneeling-debate/2017/09/27/5f46dce0-a3b0-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.cef7fcb22f03

Lawmaker: Russian trolls trying to sow discord in NFL kneeling debate


Russian Internet trolls are trying to gin up even more controversy over NFL players taking a knee during the national anthem, a senator said Wednesday — warning that the United States should expect such divisive efforts to escalate in the next election.

Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.) made the assertion in a hearing with the heads of the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and the National Counterterrorism Center.

Russian trolls, he said, were cynically pushing both sides of the argument over whether players should take a knee at the playing of the national anthem before NFL games. Players have been doing so as a silent protest against police treatment of minorities, though critics — including President Trump — argue that doing so disrespects the American flag and members of the U.S. military.

“We watched even this weekend, the Russians and their troll farms, and their Internet folks, start hash-tagging out ‘take a knee’ and also hash-tagging out ‘Boycott NFL,’ ’’ Lankford said.

The Russians’ goal, the lawmaker said, was “to try to raise the noise level in America to try to make a big issue, an even bigger issue as they’re trying to just push divisiveness in the country. We’ve continued to be able to see that. We will see that again in our election time.’’

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. it is ALL Russian..
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:39 AM
Sep 2017

Wake up, all (not you Botany)

Alexander Dugin.

Look him up.

Disrupt western democracy. Separate the usa from western europe and the oligarchs get all the money and putin gets latvia, lituania, estonia, belarus, ukraine, etc etc
finland?

Botany

(70,447 posts)
30. We are in a state of war w/Russia right now and ....
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:09 AM
Sep 2017

.... they have installed a dull witted puppit as POTUS which makes it very
hard to fight that war.


I might be crazy but I think that the attacks on our embassy in Havana and
our naval ships running into other have Russian fingerprints all over them.

IamFortunesFool

(348 posts)
34. Vladislav Surkov, actually
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:11 PM
Sep 2017

Alexsander Dugin is the politcal theorist whose ideas and ethics are at the heart of Putinism. Surkov is Putin's political strategist and the evil genius behind the gaslighting.

Surkov's methods are well summed up in this article:https://thinkprogress.org/when-everything-is-a-lie-power-is-the-only-truth-1e641751d150/#.kt9mbc96h

Here is an excerpt:

His aim is to undermine peoples’ perceptions of the world, so they never know what is really happening.
Surkov turned Russian politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theater. He sponsored all kinds of groups, from neo-Nazi skinheads to liberal human rights groups. He even backed parties that were opposed to President Putin.
But the key thing was, that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing, which meant that no one was sure what was real or fake. As one journalist put it: “It is a strategy of power that keeps any opposition constantly confused.”
A ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable because it is undefinable. It is exactly what Surkov is alleged to have done in the Ukraine this year. In typical fashion, as the war began, Surkov published a short story about something he called non-linear war. A war where you never know what the enemy are really up to, or even who they are. The underlying aim, Surkov says, is not to win the war, but to use the conflict to create a constant state of destabilized perception, in order to manage and control.

Bannon and Trump deployed that strategy with aplomb throughout the primary. Because of the constant media focus on his campaign, Trump was able to bombard the airwaves with an unending stream of surreal falsehoods. At the same time, Bannon turned Breitbart News into a Trump Party organ and used it to disseminate further confusion. Independent of Trump and Bannon, a number of other fake news sites — an improbable number of which happened to be headquartered in Macedonia — inundated social media with inaccurate information. There is some evidence to suggest that Surkov’s employer contributed to the process as well, using the website Wikileaks as a conduit.

Many of the stories promulgated by Trump, Bannon, and their allies — such as Trump’s claim that Sen. Ted Cruz’s father was somehow involved in the Kennedy assassination — were obviously false and easily debunked. But the sheer volume of these stories had their intended effect. When fake news becomes omnipresent, all news becomes suspect. Everything starts to look like a lie.
The relentless downpour of inaccurate or useless information can make people lose trust in even their own minds. It happened to Washington Post reporter Ben Terris during the election.

In March, Terris reported that he had seen Corey Lewandowski, then Trump’s campaign manager, physically attack journalist Michelle Fields. The campaign lied about the incident and said nothing had happened. After days of being told his report had been wrong, Terris began to doubt what he had seen. Even when video was uncovered corroborating Terris’ report, the Trump campaign evaded the issue.
“Trump gaslighted me,” Fields later told Terris for an article about the incident. “I worry now that he’s gaslighting the country.”

In a world where nothing is true, the only real choice available to voters is between competing fictions. Trump offered a particularly compelling set of fictions, but he also found various ways to telegraph that he knew what he was doing. Through irony, evasion, self-contradiction, and obviously ridiculous claims, he let his supporters in on the joke. If everything is a lie, then the man who makes his lies obvious is practicing a peculiar form of honesty.

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Dugin's (Bannon, too) vision of a racist and nationalistic global cabal, acheived by employing Surkov's methods... This is much larger than just this election, folks. We are already waist deep in WWIII. The nationalistic fascism sweeping across western democracies are the proxy-battles of this new evolution of warfare. Russia is already many years and several "invasions" (in both real and cyber space) ahead of the rest of us even realizing we are already at war. It is time to wake up! We have to throw off our oppressors here before we can hope to stem the tide of the war on the international stage. America is the linchpin to this global coup... If we fall, so will the rest of the West. However, if we can prevail against this global fascism and its domestic deplorables, then we may yet hold the light for the rest of the West and Europe to follow.

A war in the 21st century need not be fought on the battlefield, when it can be fought in the minds of the masses. The movements of armies, munitions, and media are but the weapons of perception on this new battlefield.

We are already at war, My Friends... The question is: Will we return fire before it is too late?









pangaia

(24,324 posts)
39. Thanks for the reminder.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 01:58 PM
Sep 2017

I had heard of Surkov and knew a little, this detail is enlightening..

THIS is what should be blasted from the rooftops..
We all get buried in the daily onslaught of details...which ALSO must be made known and defended against...

So many fronts.. like the siege of Leningrad, where do you put your defenders..?

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
8. Well, yeah
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:55 AM
Sep 2017

They're the most skilled in the world at what they do, with all their important players being millionaires. The players have the real power in the relationship.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
14. Exactly. And today he's trying to bully the owners by basically calling them "pussies."
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:14 AM
Sep 2017

This moron never got past the fifth grade mentally. Does he really think the owners give a shit what he thinks about them? They didn't way back when he wanted to buy a team, and they don't now. HE thinks the name-calling will zing them because it would certainly zing HIM.

Somebody, please please impeach this horrible excuse of a 'man.'

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
10. And Dumbo is scared of the big blue ocean
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 08:59 AM
Sep 2017

keeping him from sending supplies and troops to help Americans in Puerto Rico.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
11. Trump is paving the way to a players' strike
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:02 AM
Sep 2017

I guess that's what he wants, I don't know.

But when he tweets shit like this it makes you wonder.

Aviation Pro

(12,125 posts)
12. Hey fuckturd....
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 09:04 AM
Sep 2017

...when was the last time you were invited into an owner's box, clown? There's that 2012 meet with your BFF, Kraft, in Foxboro with your pet hair flapping in the wind, but other than that it looks like you've been shunned by the club you desperately want to join.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
23. Exactly. It's coded racism.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:24 AM
Sep 2017

It implies the players can't control themselves. Like all the cops who "feard for their lives" when the black man was running AWAY from them or lying on the ground.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
32. You are right. It is a not-so-subtle way of saying that black men are dangerous.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:20 AM
Sep 2017

Which the white base will embrace giddily.

I expect Trump also thinks he will bully the owners into doing his bidding by making them feel they look weak. That is the kind of thing that motivates Trump. Hopefully the owners are more mature.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
36. That was my first impression, too
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:38 PM
Sep 2017

it is GOP code for "Black men are dangerous and should be feared"
Also similar code for...
"Black NFL players will kill their owners in a blind, animal rage."
"NFL players are dangerous and should be feared."
"BLM marchers are dangerous and should be feared."
"Young, black men wearing hoodies are dangerous and should be feared."

Fear is one of the underlying reasons why cops shoot unarmed black males.
Trump is stoking the flames of that fear, like a good racist who made his way to
the highest seat in Washington DC.

The masters of the plantation can't allow much freedom, otherwise,
things could get ugly.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
45. That was my first thought on reading this.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 04:08 PM
Sep 2017

Racism. We need to be afraid of big, black men. Could 45's racism be any more obvious?

I am worried about more incidents, more racial confrontations like Charlottesville and more police shootings. I am worried about some of these players being targeted, too.

Thanks a lot, 45. These bigoted people lived under rocks and we could control them before you came along and enabled them.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
20. He is full of shit
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:06 AM
Sep 2017

Those owners are standing/kneeling with those players because those are their teammates!

Exactly as they should.

Any owner that wouldn't support his teammates shouldn't be owning any team; and will probably never know much success.

Trump is incapable of understanding the concept of solidarity.

BHDem53

(1,061 posts)
40. As if the doughturd knows anything about tough and smart.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sep 2017

A tough and smart leader wouldn't let that big scary ocean keep him from getting aid to American citizens in Puerto Rico.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
42. DISTRACTION!!! He cooked this up as a wedge issue to throw red meat to his racist supporters.
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:19 PM
Sep 2017

They are dumb enough to eat it up but we should ignore his reality show bullshit and focus on getting help to Puerto Rico.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
43. Good. Business owners SHOULD be a little scared of their employees
Thu Sep 28, 2017, 03:26 PM
Sep 2017

Like when we still had strong unions, and the fear of a strike kept management honest.

Not like how Trump spent his life pissing on subcontractors with no fear of repercussions.

They_Live

(3,224 posts)
47. He can only comprehend fear as a motivation.
Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:16 PM
Sep 2017

He does not understand respect, since he never has to use it, and has never felt it himself.

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