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brooklynite

(94,328 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:31 PM Oct 2017

Shakeup at Democratic National Committee, Longtime Officials Ousted

Source: NBC News

WASHINGTON — A shakeup is underway at the Democratic National Committee as several key longtime officials have lost their posts, exposing a still-raw rift in the party and igniting anger among those in its progressive wing who see retaliation for their opposition to DNC Chairman Tom Perez.

The ousters come ahead of the DNC's first meeting, in Las Vegas, Nevada, since Perez took over as chairman with a pledge earlier this year that he would unite the party that had become badly divided during the brutal Bernie Sanders-Hillary Clinton 2016 primary.

Complaints began immediately after party officials saw a list of Perez' appointments to DNC committees and his roster of 75 "at-large" members, who are chosen by the chair.

...snip...

Those who have been pushed out include:
-Ray Buckley, the New Hampshire Democratic chairman and longtime DNC official who ran against Perez for chair before backing Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., lost his spots on the Executive Committee and DNC Rules Committee;
-James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute and prominent Sanders backer, is no longer co-chair of the Resolutions Committee and is off the Executive Committee, a sport he has held since 2001;
-Alice Germond, the party’s longtime former secretary and a vocal Ellison backer, who was removed from her at-large appointment to the DNC; and
-Barbra Casbar Siperstein, the first transgender member of the DNC who supported Ellison and Buckley, was tossed from the Executive Committee.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/shakeup-democratic-national-committee-longtime-officials-ousted-n812126

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Shakeup at Democratic National Committee, Longtime Officials Ousted (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2017 OP
Great way to unite Perez mdbl Oct 2017 #1
IKR!! Maybe it's time for Keith Ellison to "buck up," as he likes to say?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #51
'Thanks.' Have to think about this. elleng Oct 2017 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author catbyte Oct 2017 #3
Team building indeed. Purveyor Oct 2017 #4
The party must be inspirational.Who you are determines what you do. onit2day Oct 2017 #33
"Barbra Casbar Siperstein, the first transgender member of the DNC" Not Ruth Oct 2017 #5
I'm worried this is gonna backfire... BIG TIME!! Sure seems like a dumb move to me! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #52
Good. Lol BootinUp Oct 2017 #6
Why? Bradical79 Oct 2017 #8
It's complicated. BootinUp Oct 2017 #11
Oh yeah. This is going to build "party unity"... Good grief. eom Purveyor Oct 2017 #18
Just curious BootinUp Oct 2017 #22
I'm one that thinks the healing "was" going along nicely post 2016 and somebody Purveyor Oct 2017 #23
The question is, whose wound was ripped open? Control-Z Oct 2017 #30
Nailed it! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #53
One thing's for certain.Can't unify if ignore half your members onit2day Oct 2017 #31
Yes, never rock the boat or change the status quo onit2day Oct 2017 #32
WHY?!? benld74 Oct 2017 #7
Good to change old 2001 positions around, revitalize & add newness & life to DNC Sunlei Oct 2017 #9
Considering we've been losing ground in the states TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #17
Exactly this. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2017 #21
These DNC people need to be out in States to help win 2018. No R should run unopposed! Sunlei Oct 2017 #24
I'm disappointed, and didn't expect this from Perez.. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #10
I won't say I expected it, but it doesn't shock me either... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #55
Meet the new boss Fiendish Thingy Oct 2017 #12
haha! Now I can't get that Who song outta my head! Thanks. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #56
So is the "old guard" of the DNC a good thing now? Long term members of the DNC aren't Squinch Oct 2017 #13
It really is confusing. My guess is the same people would be critical if there were no changes. Hoyt Oct 2017 #26
++++++++++++++++ JHan Oct 2017 #54
Why am I not surprised. Although, I am surprised. pangaia Oct 2017 #14
Cant comment, DU rules forbid it. Ccarmona Oct 2017 #15
To cooler heads than mine: what does this all mean?? ancianita Oct 2017 #16
It means a complete Corporate takeover of the DNC harun Oct 2017 #25
You're kidding me. Right? Why the hell would that be happening. Seriously. ancianita Oct 2017 #28
So they get more campaign contributions harun Oct 2017 #41
Why not see what happens...I understand how quickly some here are to bash Democrats...but Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #48
I don't think we can afford to wait. harun Oct 2017 #50
No, you're right, this has the potential to have devastating consequences. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #57
The most important thing is to vote...all the rest is just bullshit spread around by trolls to help Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #62
the rich demand final word & obedience from their politicians. Pols have latitude on gays, guns... yurbud Oct 2017 #43
Couldn't agree more, well said. harun Oct 2017 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Control-Z Oct 2017 #35
LOL snooper2 Oct 2017 #46
I'm confused. SCVDem Oct 2017 #19
Sorry, not funny, if that's what you intended... guess I'm just pissed. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #59
Looks like the purges are back. Smart move to piss people off so early in the season (not). Ford_Prefect Oct 2017 #20
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Purveyor Oct 2017 #29
hilarious to see so many DU members now angry that long-term members have lost power. rogue emissary Oct 2017 #34
+1000 murielm99 Oct 2017 #38
It is not the ethnicity or sexual orientation of the members but economic & who has final say: yurbud Oct 2017 #44
Agree get the red out Oct 2017 #58
We need a fresh direction question everything Oct 2017 #36
Let's call it a noble experiment that failed. Big time. ucrdem Oct 2017 #37
Wait.... SergeStorms Oct 2017 #39
Hmmm. Either this is no big deal or here we go .... again. KPN Oct 2017 #40
and there's THIS: Democrats Plan to Name Lobbyists, Operatives as Superdelegates. elleng Oct 2017 #42
If Centrist Democrats wanted to shore up support, they'd cut those people loose & end their yurbud Oct 2017 #45
YES, yurbud! elleng Oct 2017 #47
Here here!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #60
SMFH... Scoopster Oct 2017 #61
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2017 #63
All I care about is vote for any democrat in every election. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #64
I can't get too worked up, since I normally can't HeartachesNhangovers Oct 2017 #65
A very normal Democrat - or Republican for that matter. sandensea Oct 2017 #66
I can think of a few platitudes that may apply here: Rollo Oct 2017 #67
Right. sandensea Oct 2017 #68
You would, perhaps, prefer the fare as served up by Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Rollo Oct 2017 #69
Hardly! sandensea Oct 2017 #70
I'm reserving judgement on Perez until I see who he puts in as replacements... Rollo Oct 2017 #71
Hear, hear. sandensea Oct 2017 #72

elleng

(130,721 posts)
2. 'Thanks.' Have to think about this.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:35 PM
Oct 2017

I liked Buckley. (I liked some of the other 'also rans' too.) So 'largely' harms pro-Ellison folks???

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
5. "Barbra Casbar Siperstein, the first transgender member of the DNC"
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:39 PM
Oct 2017

Put them back on the Executive Committee now. The optics are horrible.

BootinUp

(47,072 posts)
11. It's complicated.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:49 PM
Oct 2017

If I had a lot of time to share my opinions I would. Basically we need people who recognize party unity as a priority.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
23. I'm one that thinks the healing "was" going along nicely post 2016 and somebody
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:11 PM
Oct 2017

decided it was best to rip that scab right off the healing wound.

I don't understand it. Nope.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
30. The question is, whose wound was ripped open?
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:12 AM
Oct 2017

And by whom? I can only half way agree with you without more information.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
31. One thing's for certain.Can't unify if ignore half your members
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:22 AM
Oct 2017

Only discussion and debate should settle disagreements but effort and commitment are leading traits. One person's opinion is just that an one should not assume everyone should or does feel the same way. Still if someone like trump started calling himself a democrat I'd tell him to go fuck himself and get lost. This is supposed to be the people's party and not chasers after banksters, Wall streeters, corporate lobbyist's donors. Progressives vs the DLC will have to be debated and discussed. So far the party was changing to be more progressive...every since Sander's push for income equality. The country always prospered more when there was a high corporate tax rate with a high wealth tax. Always.

 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
32. Yes, never rock the boat or change the status quo
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:26 AM
Oct 2017

Party unity worked right up to election day when the votes were stolen. If we don't have a fair voting system (paper ballots, no voter suppression) party unity plays second base.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. Good to change old 2001 positions around, revitalize & add newness & life to DNC
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:47 PM
Oct 2017

Americans need to hear from DNC, all we hear about DNC is who's pushed out, who's divided. and bunches of emails asking for money to fight some republicans crazy headline statement.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,135 posts)
17. Considering we've been losing ground in the states
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:57 PM
Oct 2017

I would appreciate a DNC that isn't only focused on the presidential election.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
21. Exactly this.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:07 PM
Oct 2017

We're getting our butts kicked all across the country (and especially here in the Midwest) because the Republicans are running the table in state-level elections, thereby allowing them to institute all manner of voter suppression techniques and union-busting rules (which of course hurt our side much more than theirs), to say nothing of the gerrymandering.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. These DNC people need to be out in States to help win 2018. No R should run unopposed!
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:22 PM
Oct 2017

Every D running for Congress & Senate needs a team of experienced DNC backing them. Get these committee members out of their offices. They need to research the Rs and publicize the dirt, Rs squander taxpayer money on special interests. That needs to be exposed to voters.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
13. So is the "old guard" of the DNC a good thing now? Long term members of the DNC aren't
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:51 PM
Oct 2017

the hated "establishment" any more?

So confusing.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. It really is confusing. My guess is the same people would be critical if there were no changes.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:26 PM
Oct 2017

ancianita

(35,929 posts)
16. To cooler heads than mine: what does this all mean??
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:55 PM
Oct 2017

Just when I thought it was the other party that was falling apart, splintering "complaints" begin?

Being reactive to "complaints" -- not cool.

What the hell is going on?!

harun

(11,348 posts)
41. So they get more campaign contributions
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:03 PM
Oct 2017

from their corporate sponsors.

Can't go in to any more of it my post will get deleted.

(My apologies if that is a rhetorical question or just sarcasm)

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
48. Why not see what happens...I understand how quickly some here are to bash Democrats...but
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 12:33 PM
Oct 2017

didn't work out so well for us in 16...maybe we could just...oh I don't know focus on elections and remember vote Democratic...or lose it all...all progressive policy for the last 100 years is on the table.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
62. The most important thing is to vote...all the rest is just bullshit spread around by trolls to help
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 03:35 PM
Oct 2017

the GOP. When the house is on fire ...not need to sweep the floor.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
43. the rich demand final word & obedience from their politicians. Pols have latitude on gays, guns...
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 10:00 AM
Oct 2017

immigrant rights and a few other issues, but on core economic issues like trade, foreign policy, Wall St. regulation, wars, and prosecution of Wall St execs and war criminals, their only leeway is how they do what they are told not whether.

Response to harun (Reply #25)

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
20. Looks like the purges are back. Smart move to piss people off so early in the season (not).
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:05 PM
Oct 2017

Guess we won't have to wait long to see what this means in terms of party "direction".
Should we practice our marching in order now or wait until we get our orders from on high?

If this is an example of how we are enabling party unity I think 2018 may turn out to be a very long year.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Response to Post removed (Reply #27)

rogue emissary

(3,147 posts)
34. hilarious to see so many DU members now angry that long-term members have lost power.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 12:51 AM
Oct 2017

Last edited Fri Oct 20, 2017, 12:32 PM - Edit history (1)

While every week there are two or three threads about Pelosi and Feinstein stepping down to let new blood lead.

From the below article. It appears the very thing many have wanted the DNC to do, Perez is attempting to carry out.



http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/355954-dnc-chairman-aims-for-diversity-with-delegate-nominations

. . . A Democratic source told The Hill that Perez’s nominees would double the number of millennials and Native Americans currently represented at the DNC. It will also increase the DNC’s LGBT presence and representation from Puerto Ricans, at a time when Trump has been criticized for his response to the hurricane that has devastated the island territory. . . .

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
44. It is not the ethnicity or sexual orientation of the members but economic & who has final say:
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 10:14 AM
Oct 2017

the rich or the rest of us.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
37. Let's call it a noble experiment that failed. Big time.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 01:26 AM
Oct 2017

That last ACA maneuver was probably the last straw. Actually I can think of several last straws but never mind, this had to happen and the sooner the better.

SergeStorms

(19,179 posts)
39. Wait....
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:07 AM
Oct 2017

there was a rift between the Hillary and Bernie camps?

...."he would unite the party that had become badly divided during the brutal Bernie Sanders-Hillary Clinton 2016 primary".

Who knew? I'm certainly glad there hasn't been any discord between Hillary and Bernie supporters here at DU.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
40. Hmmm. Either this is no big deal or here we go .... again.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 09:13 AM
Oct 2017

Guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

I am concerned that some of the key changes were to membership on the Rules and Bylaws Committee. Optically, there's certainly room for skepticism.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
45. If Centrist Democrats wanted to shore up support, they'd cut those people loose & end their
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 10:17 AM
Oct 2017

privileged role.

If lobbyists and other party insiders cared more about the party and the country as a whole, they would demand that the superdelegate system end.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
61. SMFH...
Fri Oct 20, 2017, 02:19 PM
Oct 2017

You know, I look up & down this thread and I see people talking about this official being removed for supporting Perez' opponent, people talking about people who supported Bernie being removed, people who are progressive being removed....

These would have been the same people who have for OVER A YEAR constantly complained that the DNC needed desperate change. I see ALMOST NO ONE talking about how these folks have been in senior executive positions within the party for years, in some cases over a decade, and how shaking things up & bringing in some new faces with new ideas would be A GOOD THING FOR THE DNC.

But nahh.. never mind that stale leadership that we've been complaining about the whole damn time. That's second fiddle to ideological purity!

(In case you didn't notice, my pet peeve is fuckin' hypocrites).

Response to Scoopster (Reply #61)

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
64. All I care about is vote for any democrat in every election.
Sat Oct 21, 2017, 05:14 PM
Oct 2017

There doesnt need to be any fucking unity or getting along or kumbaya, there needs to be adults agreeing that until we get the NAZIS out of the WH, we vote for any democrat in every election

period

65. I can't get too worked up, since I normally can't
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 06:58 PM
Oct 2017

name a single DNCer. I'm sure in a week, I'll have forgotten who was kicked off and who was installed.

Does that make me a bad Democrat, or a normal one?

sandensea

(21,596 posts)
66. A very normal Democrat - or Republican for that matter.
Sun Oct 22, 2017, 11:50 PM
Oct 2017

I bet there aren't 1,000 people between the two major parties who can name even 5 national committee members at any given point (I certainly can't).

But we do certainly remember news like these. And team building this is not.


Rollo

(2,559 posts)
67. I can think of a few platitudes that may apply here:
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 12:15 AM
Oct 2017

1) "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it."

Well, it's pretty obvious from the dismal congressional and presidential results that it IS broke, and needs fixing.

2) "To make an omelet, you have to break some eggs".

Self-explanatory.

sandensea

(21,596 posts)
70. Hardly!
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 02:10 AM
Oct 2017

I mean, I like Debbie and all (especially the way she went to bat for Gore during the recount, which is where I first saw her in action).

But we need someone who can help unite the Clinton and Sanders wings of the party. Pérez looked like the man for the job - until this mass sacking of left-leaning committee members.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
71. I'm reserving judgement on Perez until I see who he puts in as replacements...
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 03:23 AM
Oct 2017

and, more importantly, what kind of results he gets.



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