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Loyd

(309 posts)
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 02:00 AM Oct 2017

Kevin Spacey Responds To Report He Sexually Harassed Then-14-Year-Old Anthony Rapp

Source: HuffPost

10/30/2017 01:15 am ET



Oscar-winning actor Kevin Spacey has addressed a report that he once sexually harassed actor Anthony Rapp.

Rapp, who is currently starring in the TV series “Star Trek: Discovery” and is best known for work in the play and movie “Rent,” told BuzzFeed News that Spacey invited him to a party at his apartment in 1986. Rapp was 14 years old at the time.

Spacey’s statement, made on Twitter early Monday, included his first public declaration that he is gay. He did not deny that the incident took place, citing the passage of time and being drunk on the occasion, but apologized to Rapp for “what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior.”

“I am sorry for the feelings he describes having carried with him all these years,” Spacey wrote.

Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kevin-spacey-anthony-rapp_us_59f6a786e4b03cd20b827d3d?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009



My wife will be heartbroken. She lusts---not loves, lusts---Spacey.
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Kevin Spacey Responds To Report He Sexually Harassed Then-14-Year-Old Anthony Rapp (Original Post) Loyd Oct 2017 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Oct 2017 #1
Saddens and maddens me to hear this news. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #2
Does anyone Boilingpots Oct 2017 #18
Welcome to DU! IronLionZion Oct 2017 #30
WRONG- The story is he was 26 years old, grabbed a 14 year old and climbed on top of him snooper2 Oct 2017 #38
Are you serious? I mean, really. This is pathetic. yardwork Oct 2017 #46
it's spin. yurbud Oct 2017 #58
Agreed. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #68
I don't think anyone cares he is gay. MosheFeingold Oct 2017 #56
That's the point... the fact that Spacey is gay is irrelevant to whether he attempted child rape. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #69
I disagree. He knows conservative media will pounce on & try to blame, the gayness Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #59
Guts? Yea, he validated the victims claim rather than gaslight and deny, or shame. That is all. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #77
Think Louis CK will be next Not Ruth Oct 2017 #3
As gay or a child abuser? IronLionZion Oct 2017 #31
Neither, likes to masturbate with young (adult) female comics Not Ruth Oct 2017 #36
Watch this trailer, especially the last line,and tell me this is not a giant wink and fuck off world Not Ruth Oct 2017 #42
Yup. Long rumored to be a perv. gldstwmn Oct 2017 #71
Yeah in this climate anyone could go down next lol Kimchijeon Oct 2017 #83
My, my! things seem to be unraveling in Hollywood! Lokilooney Oct 2017 #4
How disappointing. MontanaMama Oct 2017 #5
No, he isn't a child molester. Chicago1980 Oct 2017 #26
A drunken advance is child molestation Kaleva Oct 2017 #37
Attacking a fourteen year old is way beyond making a sexual advance. yardwork Oct 2017 #47
Pinned him down on a bed 14 yrs old escaped and that's not an advance or pass or an adult lunasun Oct 2017 #78
Im a huge Spacey fan, I think his response secondwind Oct 2017 #6
Me, too. Everyone does something they regret in life and booze is the great enabler. Vinca Oct 2017 #16
Spacey most likely was sober when he invited the then 14 year old to the party Kaleva Oct 2017 #28
You have no way of knowing or not knowing unless you were with him. Vinca Oct 2017 #70
I'm not going to be an apologist for those who prey on children. Kaleva Oct 2017 #73
It's nice to know there is one person in the world who never got drunk and made a mistake when Vinca Oct 2017 #75
I agree with you on that! eom Kimchijeon Oct 2017 #82
There's millions of us who didn't molest children no matter how drunk we were Kaleva Oct 2017 #86
When I was in 5th grade an older boy pulled up my shirt and exposed my breasts. Vinca Oct 2017 #88
Spacey was 26 at the time he allegedy molested a 14 year old. Kaleva Oct 2017 #92
And Spacey doesn't remember it because he was drunk. Vinca Oct 2017 #95
And how do we know that Anthony Rapp was the first, christx30 Oct 2017 #96
Child molestation is a very serious yet it doesn't seem like much to you. Kaleva Oct 2017 #97
What did I say in a previous post? If a pattern emerges I'll change my opinion. Vinca Oct 2017 #104
I'm more willing to give a child or teenager the benefit of the doubt. Kaleva Oct 2017 #106
I'm a lesbian mother of three and I'm disgusted by Spacey's tweet. yardwork Oct 2017 #48
Seen taking cover under the rainbow or hiding behind the rainbow. Yes disgisuting response by him lunasun Oct 2017 #80
Kevin Spacey is one of my favorite actors syringis Oct 2017 #7
Horrible get the red out Oct 2017 #8
Why invite a Scarsdale Oct 2017 #17
It's predatory behavior. yardwork Oct 2017 #49
Sounds like Rapp was hanging out with his friends. forgotmylogin Oct 2017 #101
And lots of people here are excusing it... Imagine if the name was Sean Hannity snooper2 Oct 2017 #40
Do you know something Scarsdale Oct 2017 #63
Everybody makes mistakes...it is good of Spacey cbdo2007 Oct 2017 #9
I've made it to my fifth decade withiut molesting a minor obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #10
He does not remember & it is only one person's say-so. But he apologized just in case. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #13
This is an example of the reason sexual assualt is to prevelant in Hollywood Evergreen Emerald Oct 2017 #24
+10000 NT EllieBC Oct 2017 #35
Yes, it is a problem. But more rumors were cited by another poster in-thread that are big problem Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #54
Just in case he assaulted a fourteen year old and doesn't remember? yardwork Oct 2017 #51
Apparently he may have been drunk at the time the alleged action occurred. But there are more allega Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #53
Drunk is no excuse Evergreen Emerald Oct 2017 #55
Correct. But it would explain (if true) the lack of memory of the incident (if it happened). . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #57
And it happened over 30 years ago TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #93
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Oct 2017 #52
Some of the Defenses Here.... LovingA2andMI Oct 2017 #72
I'm with you Phentex Oct 2017 #89
Thank you, I agree. I so cannot stand when people insist on making us all, that one. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #79
Inviting a 14 year old to a party where booze is served is just a mistake? Kaleva Oct 2017 #20
Shaking my head. yardwork Oct 2017 #50
Wtf? Spacey admitted to sexual assault of a child. Deb Oct 2017 #11
Wrong. He did not admit it. No judge would convict on this claim. But he apologized just in case. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #14
Throw him in jain for something that happened in 1986? Chicago1980 Oct 2017 #27
Apparently this sort of thing was an open secret Bradical79 Oct 2017 #12
IF that is true, it would be evidence unkown to me when I wrote my two previous posts. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #15
Bonjour Bernardo syringis Oct 2017 #19
Merci pour votre rponse. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #33
Thank you Bernardo syringis Oct 2017 #41
No need to translate. I understood it well. It was a fun exercise! Thanks :) Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #43
Understandable Bradical79 Oct 2017 #29
Why would an adult invite a 14 year old to a drinking party? Kaleva Oct 2017 #21
The kid was 14 years old!! Spacey is so popular that even DUers give him a pass. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2017 #22
Some of the comments in this thread astound me. Kaleva Oct 2017 #23
Yes. And prove the points the victims have been making. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2017 #25
The responses would be totally different ripcord Oct 2017 #45
Or if the man was a Republican. yardwork Oct 2017 #60
What about a 26 year old woman and a 14 year old boy? (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2017 #62
Based on previous observations, there would be some posters saying how LisaL Oct 2017 #91
+1 get the red out Oct 2017 #34
Did he sexually assault the kid or not? IronLionZion Oct 2017 #32
If Spacey was as drunk as he says, he probably wasn't physically capable of ... Rollo Oct 2017 #39
Drunk people are capable of having sex. LisaL Oct 2017 #44
Depends on the person, the degree of inebriation, etc... Rollo Oct 2017 #66
Sexual assault can occur even if the people don't "have sex." (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2017 #61
I was referring to sexual intercourse... Rollo Oct 2017 #64
Right, but Spacey wasn't accused of that... thesquanderer Oct 2017 #65
It would not be unreasonable to surmise... Rollo Oct 2017 #67
It's hardly the only possible reason. LisaL Oct 2017 #90
Could be, I don't know, I wasn't there. Rollo Oct 2017 #94
One can be blitzed and still be able to commit child molestation Kaleva Oct 2017 #74
Yes, but I was talking about intercourse/penetration, m'kay? Rollo Oct 2017 #81
Rapp said he carried him to his bed and laid on top of him TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #99
That's nice. Rollo Oct 2017 #100
Don't get me wrong. Rapp was underage TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #108
Well if the lawyer Rapp consulted was competent, and told him there was nothing actionable... Rollo Oct 2017 #109
I think he's a great actor too TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #112
I think his career just got thrown in the trash Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #76
I think there is Netflix inside politics at play here... AntiFascist Oct 2017 #84
It's just the final nail in the coffin TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #98
Also... AntiFascist Oct 2017 #102
Hmmm, that's really kind of a compliment n/t TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #113
Some years back, a close friend suggested I learn to separate the art from the artist. LanternWaste Oct 2017 #85
Spacey is getting murdered by his LGBTQ colleagues in social media Not Ruth Oct 2017 #87
Spacey's in space at this point. truthisfreedom Oct 2017 #103
He's toast, career-wise. Codeine Oct 2017 #105
Thats my issue with this whole thing. Spaceys apology aside. Calista241 Oct 2017 #110
Spacey's infamous for this kind of behavior. Codeine Oct 2017 #111
coming out now is like OJ embracing the black community when he was accused of murder yurbud Oct 2017 #107

Response to Loyd (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,256 posts)
30. Welcome to DU!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:01 AM
Oct 2017


Everyone knows how much guts it took. No, it's not the story here. The child sexual abuse is. And it has come out because of other celebrities in the news lately.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
38. WRONG- The story is he was 26 years old, grabbed a 14 year old and climbed on top of him
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:20 AM
Oct 2017

Wanting some sexual favors...

Oh, but he doesn't remember and was "drunk" so just party fun right?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
56. I don't think anyone cares he is gay.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:03 AM
Oct 2017

I'm more concerned that he at least attempted to rape a child.

Pedophiles are scum of the worst kind. I'll never watch a thing he's in.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
69. That's the point... the fact that Spacey is gay is irrelevant to whether he attempted child rape.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:52 AM
Oct 2017

Now, if equally scummy people try to smear the LGBT community with this, you can bet those scumbags will be hearing from me!! I've already seen this broad generalization on social media... it sickens me, as much as Spacey dispicable actions.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
59. I disagree. He knows conservative media will pounce on & try to blame, the gayness
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:25 AM
Oct 2017

instead of rightfully focusing on him being a predator. Two separate things. Only one is actually to blame but many media outlets will be more than happy to muddy the water for him.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
36. Neither, likes to masturbate with young (adult) female comics
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:17 AM
Oct 2017

In the white male comedic world, Woody Allen famously defines masturbation as sex with someone that you love.

It is pretty well documented. Louis CK may even be spoofing it in his new Woody Allen type movie next month.

He has a couple of daughters in middle school, and is by all indications, a perfect dad.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roseanne-barr-calls-out-louis-ck-ive-heard-so-many-stories

http://defamer.gawker.com/louis-c-k-will-call-you-up-to-talk-about-his-alleged-s-1687820755

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
42. Watch this trailer, especially the last line,and tell me this is not a giant wink and fuck off world
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:29 AM
Oct 2017

TV producer Glen Topher is a divorced dad whose teenage daughter China is living with him during her senior year. Glen takes China to a Hollywood party where he meets his idol Leslie Goodwin, the auteur who inspired his career. During the evening, the gossip about Goodwin's preference for underage girls begins to look plausible to Glen when the older man shows an intense interest in China. And when Goodwin invites her to go to Paris with him, Glen has to start doing some serious parenting

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
83. Yeah in this climate anyone could go down next lol
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 03:25 PM
Oct 2017

Jeez, what a bunch of eager witch hunters. Pity anyone who has a good career and had drunken/wacked out times at parties they might not recall. Pretty fucked up. Good distraction bullshit "news" pieces are always needed, right? Ugh.

Lokilooney

(322 posts)
4. My, my! things seem to be unraveling in Hollywood!
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:50 AM
Oct 2017

It all seems to be falling apart like...hmm, if only I could think of an analogy...

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
26. No, he isn't a child molester.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:40 AM
Oct 2017

He appeared to make a drunken advance, not diddle anyone.

There's a difference.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
37. A drunken advance is child molestation
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:17 AM
Oct 2017

Inappropriate physical behavior of a sexual nature towards a minor is by definition, child molestation.

"Regardless of the terminology, it is illegal for an adult to touch any portion of a child's body with a "lewd and lascivious" intent."

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Child+Molestation

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
6. Im a huge Spacey fan, I think his response
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:55 AM
Oct 2017

is honest, from the heart, and pretty nearly perfect. I will remain a staunch fan. Am a straight 70-yr old grandma of five.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
16. Me, too. Everyone does something they regret in life and booze is the great enabler.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:52 AM
Oct 2017

If more comes out I'll rethink it, but I don't think he's a bad person.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
28. Spacey most likely was sober when he invited the then 14 year old to the party
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:43 AM
Oct 2017

Good people don't invite minors to parties where there is to be drinking and where the parent(s) or guardians of said child are to be kept in the dark about the party.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
73. I'm not going to be an apologist for those who prey on children.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 01:42 PM
Oct 2017

Inviting a 14 year old to a party where alcohol is going to be served is bad enough in of itself but on top of that, Spacey says he was so drunk at the party he doesn't remember. If one is going to have minors at a party, then they damn well better stay sober and keep a watchful eye on the children in attendance.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
75. It's nice to know there is one person in the world who never got drunk and made a mistake when
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 02:05 PM
Oct 2017

they were young and foolish. If a pattern of behavior emerges, my position on Mr. Spacey will change. Otherwise, in this instance, I'm chalking it up to being an idiot.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
88. When I was in 5th grade an older boy pulled up my shirt and exposed my breasts.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:27 PM
Oct 2017

I got over it and I would have hated for him to be tagged a sex offender for his entire life. The fellow said Spacey "harassed" him at 14. If I had a dime for every time I was "harassed" as a kid I'd be rich.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
92. Spacey was 26 at the time he allegedy molested a 14 year old.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:10 PM
Oct 2017

We are not talking about the actions of an "older boy".

The victim, who you seemingly dismiss, stated that the incident has had a profound effect on him for years and continues to do so.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
95. And Spacey doesn't remember it because he was drunk.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:48 PM
Oct 2017

And he apologized. I assume you won't be happy unless he throws himself off a bridge.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
96. And how do we know that Anthony Rapp was the first,
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:02 PM
Oct 2017

or the last underage kid Spacey tried something with?

There's a Family Guy clip that's been going around today. Brian pays Stewie $8 to run naked through a mall saying "Help! I've escaped Kevin Spacey's basement!"
Perhaps it was a one time thing. But from what we all know about Hollywood, I don't think it was.
Seth McFarlane needs to sit down with the FBI and a tape recorder.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
97. Child molestation is a very serious yet it doesn't seem like much to you.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:16 PM
Oct 2017

Others are coming forward about Spacey:

"Kevin Spacey is getting it from all sides as he is also being criticized for choosing this time to come out and admit that he is a homosexual. But beyond that, the people coming out to say that they had been sexually harassed or assaulted by Spacey are not only young men. Heather Unruh, a former Channel 5 anchor in Boston, tweeted a message to actor Anthony Rapp, “You are not alone.”"

https://www.inquisitr.com/4587857/more-sexual-assault-allegations-are-being-leveled-at-kevin-spacey/

But lets continue to advocate for predators here at DU.

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
104. What did I say in a previous post? If a pattern emerges I'll change my opinion.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 07:33 AM
Oct 2017

The difference between us is I'm willing to give a person the benefit of the doubt for one incident, but I agree if there are multiple charges he's no different from Weinstein, Trump, Cosby and the rest. As for when he "comes out," I would think that's a personal decision and none of our business.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
106. I'm more willing to give a child or teenager the benefit of the doubt.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 09:33 AM
Oct 2017

Not so much for a 26 year old adult who invites a 14 year old to a drinking party where there are only other adults.

yardwork

(61,415 posts)
48. I'm a lesbian mother of three and I'm disgusted by Spacey's tweet.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:42 AM
Oct 2017

1. It's not ever ok to prey on fourteen year old children.

2. Using the excuse that he was drunk and gay is an attempt to use the worst libel against gay people - that we prey on children - as an excuse.

Spacey has admitted to being a sexual predator and worse, preying on children. And he's using being gay as an excuse.

I am appalled.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
80. Seen taking cover under the rainbow or hiding behind the rainbow. Yes disgisuting response by him
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 02:39 PM
Oct 2017

Isn't what he did bad enough ? And then he pulls out that crap

syringis

(5,101 posts)
7. Kevin Spacey is one of my favorite actors
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 05:05 AM
Oct 2017

Not only as actor but as nice and decent human being.

This is a sad story.

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel his response is honest (he don't deny the facts) and that his apologies are sincere.

Well, I hope so. I can't appreciate an actor only on the basis of his work. The way a person behave is important to me.

There is many good actors and actresses I will never watch again because of their despicable behavior or words such as James Wood or Clint Eastwood or Susan Sarandon.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. Why invite a
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:54 AM
Oct 2017

14 year old in the first place? Was Spacey drunk when he invited a kid to a party? The sad part about this is that Spacey felt the need to cover up his homosexuality in the first place for all these years. Sadder still, the way underage actors are treated. Where are the parents?

forgotmylogin

(7,496 posts)
101. Sounds like Rapp was hanging out with his friends.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:53 PM
Oct 2017

Some of whom were older and decided to go to the party. What I can't believe is his friends *ditched him* and left him there alone.

I remember being taken to several grown-up parties by my parents when I was very young (in the 1970s). It was common that people who couldn't get sitters brought their kids along, and we were all confined to an area away from the actual party to watch TV and play. Often we were minded by the oldest teenager available, or some hosts would arrange for an adult sitter - often a non-drinker/designated driver who would shuttle between the party and the kids and keep track that their parents didn't get too sloppy.

I remember being mad that the adults were playing games (actually drinking games) that seemed more fun than watching cartoons in the other room, and I would always try to sneak in. I remember one event where they actually relented and let me sit in on a game of "Thumper" and try to play (without alcohol, of course - I had a glass of Hi-C.)

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
9. Everybody makes mistakes...it is good of Spacey
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:09 AM
Oct 2017

To come clean about this. Hopefully it was a one time thing and not a pattern.

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
10. I've made it to my fifth decade withiut molesting a minor
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:16 AM
Oct 2017

And am betting most people have.

This isn't a "mistake."

What is wrong with you???

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,786 posts)
13. He does not remember & it is only one person's say-so. But he apologized just in case.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:36 AM
Oct 2017

What is wrong with you?

In the USA I know, a person is innocent until proven guilty. This single allegation would not convince a judge.

Note that effectively we treat a person as guilty if they face 16 disparate accusers and they are recorded admitting similar crimes on tape like, say, SCROTUS tRump.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
24. This is an example of the reason sexual assualt is to prevelant in Hollywood
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:35 AM
Oct 2017

Spacey is popular and powerful. People--even DU liberals--discount the allegations. The behavior is ignored, justified, forgiven, and allowed to continue. Meanwhile, other potential victims see that there is no choice but to shut up and hide.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,786 posts)
54. Yes, it is a problem. But more rumors were cited by another poster in-thread that are big problem
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:49 AM
Oct 2017

... for Spacey.

It seems that there may be some substance to this story after all.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,786 posts)
53. Apparently he may have been drunk at the time the alleged action occurred. But there are more allega
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:47 AM
Oct 2017

Per another post in this thread there are more rumors about his activities and proclivities.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
93. And it happened over 30 years ago
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:29 PM
Oct 2017

I'm about Spacey's age and I don't remember every single thing I did in my 20s and I didn't drink much. But people can drink enough that they forget things they did, so if he says that's why he doesn't remember, I think that's possible.

Spacey's apology sounds sincere to me. Rapp never told his mother, who was with him in New York. He never reported it to the police.

"Rapp said he even met with a lawyer, who told him there was no case worth pursuing. So he put it away again, sharing his story with close friends whenever Spacey's name would come up."

Here's the original story from Buzzfeed.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14?utm_term=.kv26MwZmX#.rmWYNpZvj

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #13)

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
72. Some of the Defenses Here....
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 01:23 PM
Oct 2017

Of the Alleged Molestering of a 14 Year Old -- Are Sick! Period!

There Is NO MISTAKES when it comes to alleged molestering of a CHILD. NONE!

Phentex

(16,330 posts)
89. I'm with you
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:29 PM
Oct 2017

there is no way to justify this. Young/old/drunk/high...it's the same crap excuses they give when anyone talks about harassment. THERE IS NO EXCUSE!

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
12. Apparently this sort of thing was an open secret
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:44 AM
Oct 2017

Among those who work in Hollywood and others "in the know". He was involved with those notorious Bryan Singer parties that alegedly involved preying on underage boys. Hell, googling shows me articles written about the rumors a few years ago.

I was a big fan, and this is pretty disapointing. Glad these predators are getting exposed though.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
19. Bonjour Bernardo
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:19 AM
Oct 2017

Je me permets de répondre en français sachant que vous le comprenez, c'est un peu compliqué en anglais.

Je sais que d'autres membres le lisent aussi mais je sais pas s'il y en a d'autres sur ce post.

En fait, c'est surtout à d'autres interventions que je m'adresse.

A propos de Kevin Spacey : j'ai répondu en anglais, je pense que c'est assez clair.

Comme vous le soulignez, c'est un peu dur de condamner si fort une personne sur base d'un seul témoignage, une personne qui par ailleurs, s'est toujours comportée avec beaucoup de courtoisie et qui donne l'impression d'avoir d'avoir de bonnes valeurs morales, d'y croire et de les appliquer. C'est en tout cas comme ça que je le perçois, j'espère vraiment ne pas m'être trompée car c'est vraiment un acteur que j'aime beaucoup. Comme je l'ai dit, je ne peux ni ne veux cautionner un acteur aussi talentueux soit-il, si dans sa vie privée, il fait bon marché de valeurs morales telles que le respect, la tolérance, le souci de ne pas nuire aux faibles et de les protéger.

Je pense que ce témoignage est probablement vrai, l'acteur étant connu, il n'a rien à gagner à inventer une histoire pareille. De même, je trouve que la réponse de Kevin Spacey est empreinte d'humilité et que ses excuses sont sincères.

A propos de Bryan Singer, il semblerait que l'accusation à l'époque ne reposait sur rien, son avocat ayant apporté la preuve qu'il ne se trouvait pas là où on l'accusait d'être. D'autre part, celui qui l'accusait a volontairement retiré son accusation. N'ayant eu aucun document officiel en main, en bonne juriste, je reste donc au conditionnel et n'affirme ni dans un sens ni dans l'autre

A priori, il semblerait aussi que malgré sa préférence pour les jeunes garçons, il soit attentif au fait que les jeunes garçons soient au moins majeurs, même s'ils le sont tout juste. Idem que ci-dessus, je n'affirme ni n'infirme mes propos, vu que je n'ai aucune preuve dans un sens ni dans l'autre.

Moralement, je n'apprécie pas trop mais bon, tant que les personnes sont consentantes et savent à quoi elles s'engagent, elles font comme elles veulent. Et je ne parle pas seulement de majorité légale.

Bien entendu, ceci n'est que mon avis et n'engage que moi.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,786 posts)
33. Merci pour votre rponse.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:10 AM
Oct 2017

Vous avez fait un bon teste de ma abilité francophone, mais vous avez ecrit avec les mots et phrase ce que je veut comprens. Sans argot, et clair. Les autre mots et phrase j' avais comprendre avec le contexte, avec les mots environ.



syringis

(5,101 posts)
41. Thank you Bernardo
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:27 AM
Oct 2017

I answer as much as I can in English, which is normal on a English forum, but sometimes, it is easier in French. Especially if I don't have time to built a coherent one.

I'll try to translate later the entire reply. What are the words you didn't understand? I can translate them one by one.



 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
29. Understandable
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:56 AM
Oct 2017

Most don't pay attention to that sort of thing. I didn't even know he was gay until yesterday, lol. I just happen to read some posts elsewhere where some Hollywood workers I know of happen to hang out, and went down the google rabbit hole of finding previous rumors and accusations.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
21. Why would an adult invite a 14 year old to a drinking party?
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:26 AM
Oct 2017

Apparently Spacey remembers being drunk at the party although he claims he doesn't recall the actually assault.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
22. The kid was 14 years old!! Spacey is so popular that even DUers give him a pass.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:29 AM
Oct 2017

Using gay as an excuse for molesting a child? Shameful.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
25. Yes. And prove the points the victims have been making.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:37 AM
Oct 2017

Powerful people get a pass. No wonder people stay silent.

ripcord

(5,084 posts)
45. The responses would be totally different
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:36 AM
Oct 2017

If this same thing had happened between a 26 year old man and a 14 year old girl.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
39. If Spacey was as drunk as he says, he probably wasn't physically capable of ...
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:20 AM
Oct 2017

... actually having sex with anybody ...

And I think I saw a post elsewhere that there was a scene in the play that Rapp was appearing in where the same sort of situation was enacted ... with him as the "victim" ...

As an aside... when I was about 13, the orchestra teacher at my middle school was prone to fondling the butts of boys who came within range... I didn't know about it until I got the "feel", after which I avoided him... which was too bad because it meant that I never tried to learn an instrument at that time... As far as I know, nobody ever complained about this creepy guy, though, and he was still in his position when I graduated and moved on to high school. In his case, this wasn't a case of him being drunk or him being unaware of his actions, and it was a serial activity. And I don't know if he ever took his touching further... but I still remember his name.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
44. Drunk people are capable of having sex.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:31 AM
Oct 2017

As the allegation goes, apparently 14 year old was able to get away and wasn't actually raped.
The allegation is detailed in this story here.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14?utm_term=.onEYNDlGEg#.voy8gXvyzd

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
66. Depends on the person, the degree of inebriation, etc...
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:01 AM
Oct 2017

But I think having no memory of the incident tends to lend credence to the corroboration that Spacey was too drunk to perform intercourse. Rapp's own statement was that Spacey was visibly drunk ("swaying&quot and that he was able to "squirm away" without getting, for lack of a better term, nailed.

Of course if this is what Spacey did it was very wrong. But I don't know how he can better handle this than express his deepest apology for an incident he says he cannot recall.

In m own case, I have never had the urge to go public with a description of the inappropriate contact from a teacher I experienced as a pre-teen. I was also able to squirm away and avoided that teacher from then on. The teacher is no doubt dead by now (it was in the mid-60's and he was no spring chicken then), so I don't really see what is to be gained at this point. Social awareness of "stranger danger" and child abuse is far greater today - so I assume a kid today would know more about what to do about it than I did back then.

thesquanderer

(11,954 posts)
65. Right, but Spacey wasn't accused of that...
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 10:57 AM
Oct 2017

...so whether he was or was not capable of it doesn't seem relevant. Unless I'm just missing your point, sorry if I am.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
67. It would not be unreasonable to surmise...
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:38 AM
Oct 2017

That Spacey wasn't accused of rape because he didn't attempt it, and that he didn't attempt it because he was too drunk to get it up.

I hope I don't have to get more explicit.


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LisaL

(44,962 posts)
90. It's hardly the only possible reason.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 06:32 PM
Oct 2017

The boy says he managed to get away. Presumably at that time it was obvious that the boy wasn't into it. So would that not be a reason enough to stop?

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
94. Could be, I don't know, I wasn't there.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:44 PM
Oct 2017

I'd like to think I'd have said something to somebody about the incident... but then kids at that age are generally confused about such things, and he may have felt guilty about being out late, perhaps consuming alcohol himself, etc. And it appears the kid himself turned out to be a gay adult, so he may have played along to a certain point out of curiosity until he realized it wasn't what he wanted, for whatever reason. But I'm not accepting that the kid was at all responsible for Spacey's alleged behavior.

No means no.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
99. Rapp said he carried him to his bed and laid on top of him
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 09:00 PM
Oct 2017

Spacey made a "sexual advance" and Rapp squirmed away and left. He said it wasn't unusual for him to go to cast parties and such by himself. He said he didn't drink alcohol. He also didn't tell his mother or the police. He did consult with a lawyer who said there was nothing to pursue legally.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
108. Don't get me wrong. Rapp was underage
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 03:53 PM
Oct 2017

But what did he mean by "sexual advance"?

Did Spacey kiss him? Inappropriate, but not illegal.

Did Spacey touch Rapp's genitals? Inappropriate AND illegal.

Personally, I think Rapp is jealous of Spacey's success and that is part of the reason why he is still suffering so much pain over an event that happened over 30 years ago. JMHO

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
109. Well if the lawyer Rapp consulted was competent, and told him there was nothing actionable...
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:16 PM
Oct 2017

...then this is a big whoop over essentially nothing, legally speaking.

I wonder how much of the outrage being expressed against Spacey is because he is gay and/or concealed it for so long, or at least tried to.

I do think he's a great actor and it's a shame how this is cutting into his gigs.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
112. I think he's a great actor too
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 06:10 PM
Oct 2017

I don't think he ever actively tried to conceal his sexuality. He just refused to discuss his private life. He never had a fake "girlfriend" that I'm aware of. Until she passed away in 2003, his mother was always his date to awards shows. I do think his "coming out" now was rather awkward, but it's really nothing we didn't know already. Now if he's part of the "pedophile ring" in Hollywood that Cory Feldman talks about, that's another thing entirely.

Rapp's story about the "sexual advance" brings to mind something Lord Grantham said on Downtown Abbey.

"If I shouted blue murder every time someone tried to kiss me at Eton, I'd have gone hoarse in a month."

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
84. I think there is Netflix inside politics at play here...
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:28 PM
Oct 2017

Netflix has now decided to cancel House of Cards after its 6th season because of this. Meanwhile, they are spending shitloads of money producing Star Trek.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
98. It's just the final nail in the coffin
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 08:54 PM
Oct 2017

Season 5 didn't have especially good ratings or reviews compared to other seasons. It was probably time to wrap things up anyway.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
102. Also...
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 12:21 AM
Oct 2017

House of Cards may have gotten a bum rap when it was reported that employees of Russian fake news troll farms were required to watch the series to help understand American political issues.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
85. Some years back, a close friend suggested I learn to separate the art from the artist.
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 04:48 PM
Oct 2017

Some years back, a close friend suggested I learn to separate the art from the artist.

After getting into the habit of doing just that, every year seems to bring in another handful of accurate examples of why, as a contemporary movie fan, and fan of the Impressionists and classic literature, it's in my best interest to continue doing so.

I cannot, in good conscience rationalize a 26 year old male, regardless of how drunk, sexually harassing someone.

Drunk is not a reason, it's an excuse. 26 years old is not a reason, it's an excuse. 31 years in the past is not a reason, it's an excuse.

truthisfreedom

(23,113 posts)
103. Spacey's in space at this point.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 01:17 AM
Oct 2017

His career is completely in limbo. This revelation goes into the "beyond egregious" bin. You don't pin down an underage person while making drunken sexual suggestions and, later, expect walk away from that when you've both achieved fame.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
110. Thats my issue with this whole thing. Spaceys apology aside.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:26 PM
Oct 2017

He’s got no way to defend himself from this. His career is over, he’s a pariah now.

In court, you at least have to have some evidence to take someone’s life away.

People say that these kinds of stories aren’t made up. But at some point, people are going to realize that these kinds of accusations work, and they’re going to start making them up.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
111. Spacey's infamous for this kind of behavior.
Tue Oct 31, 2017, 05:32 PM
Oct 2017

He's always been predatory and skeevy. That's why he knows denying it is a completely hopeless notion.

I do understand what you mean, but in Spacey's case it just isn't applicable.

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