Shootings at multiple sites kill 3, wound kids at school in Northern California; police say they

[riversedge]

Source: tulsaworld.com /AP



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RED BLUFF, Calif. (AP) — Authorities say three people have been killed in shootings at multiple locations in rural Northern California, and the shooter has been killed by law enforcement. Students also were shot and wounded at an elementary school.
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Tehama County Assistant Sheriff Phil Johnston tells a TV station in the city of Chico that officers are investigating at least five crime scenes in and around the school in Rancho Tehama Reserve, about 130 miles north of Sacramento.

Jeanine Quist, an administrative assistant with the Corning Union Elementary School District, says no one was killed at the school but a "number" of students were shot and wounded.



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[iluvtennis]

1. Every week another shooting, this madness needs to be stopped. TIme for #SensibleGunControl

[maxsolomon]

2. It won't stop. The cat is out of the bag.

The toothpaste is out of the tube. The Unorganized Militia is the largest Terrorist Organization in the nation.

"It's WAY too late for Gun Control in America" - Steve Earle

[IronLionZion]

8. Indeed, there are hundred of millions of guns in circulation

people have been buying lots of them during the Obama years after every major mass shooting plus many older ones are still in working condition.

[Not Ruth]

3. Why do they have so many shootings?

[Fred Sanders]

4. Too many guns? Like 300 million too many!

[Igel]

40. There's been a marked increase in mass shootings.

Not in gun ownership.

So the uptick is either random or has a cause.

If random, it'll subside by itself. And might decrease below baseline. It's random.

If not random, then there's a cause. It's of no small interest to find that cause. Why?

Because if we find the cause it's likely to be causing other pathologies, social and private. If we can reverse it, it's likely to not only stop mass killings but also help mitigate other pathologies, social and private. And there's the chance that we'll find that what's happened isn't a new cause, but an increase in a pre-existing one. Stop it, and it's likely to help more than just those whose lives it'll save.

Texting while driving kills. There are two choices: Ban cars or reduce texting. We like texting, so while there are laws on the books they're seldom enforced and behavior is difficult to change. So there's a third choice: Ban texting in general, or implement some system that prevents moving cell phones from engaging. That idea's been floated and been thoroughly rejected by a clear majority of those surveyed--often because saving lives would so inconvenience passengers. So we've decided that the death toll for texting or making phone calls merits the loss of life.

It's the same for alcohol. For many drugs. Even for high speed limits--"55 saves lives" was a slogan I was taught and it's true. Nobody forces us to go over 55 mph. Yet we do.

But we look at guns and it's just those things we don't like that should be banned--not necessarily those that would save the most lives. Looking at it, of course, from a strictly utilitarian point of view in which 'lives saved' is the primary goal.

[Fred Sanders]

44. Thanks for the NRA false equivalences. Logic is not a strong point with those guys.

Guns turn anger and mental illness into death, which is simply what the 300 million are for, am I right?

[Stuart G]

5. Very sad...

[KG]

6. so relieved to know this country doesn't have a gun problem!

[Aristus]

7. "We need to do something about mental illness!" in 3......2......1......

[tymorial]

9. There is no difference between the mass shooter and a suicide bomber

They both intend on killing people and they know they will die at the end either by their own hand or by law enforcement. They are terrorists and it's long past we call them for what they are.

[Willie Pep]

19. That is a good point.

It is interesting how worried Americans are about terrorism but not about mass shootings. Most polls I have seen place terrorism among the top worries that voters have despite the rarity of terrorist attacks. Sometimes it is second only to the economy. Mass shootings need to become a major issue going forward.

[raccoon]

47. Amen to that. Nt

[Bragi2]

25. It's possible to be a mass shooter but not a terrorist

We have defined terrorism as violence used to advance a political or religious goal. That's why a mentally deranged apolitical mass shooter isn't deemed to be a terrorist. I personally think that's as it should be.

[Judi Lynn]

35. It's hard to imagine the murderer wouldn't see widespread terror as the unavoidable consequence

of random, depersonalized slaughter left to traumatize an indeterminate number of grief-stricken people.

It certainly is meant to destroy lives and horrify the survivors.

[Igel]

42. Why?

One church shooting years ago was directed at very specific people. All the documentation shooter-side said he had a vendetta against a particular congregation. He killed more than he "required," but it's unclear why. Suspicion was he held grudges against those, too.

He had no animus for others in the church. Just locals. He wanted them dead. I don't see why he'd have thought beyond simple revenge to "widespread terror for doing me wrong" on the part of those who didn't do him wrong or know him.

And that's the problem with lone shooters versus those who are part of an organization. The very fact of being in an organization means that the shooter's goals might be shared by others; his claims, what he wants changed, if unfulfilled might prompt a repetition of the event. If the lone gunmen has a personal issue and is dead, it's unlikely John or Jane Doe will say, "You know, he's right--he was wronged, but he didn't kill these people over here, so I'm going to continue his good work to avenge him."

It's not that the shooter couldn't see widespread terror had he thought about it. It's a question as to whether he thought about it, had it as a goal, or even surmised, given all and only that he knew, that others would be terrified by what he did (as opposed to horrified). "Of course he would, if he was thinking clearly" is hardly a reasonable retort. Almost by definition the shooter isn't thinking clearly, as we would define it.

[crazycatlady]

41. to many in this country

The difference is in the color of their skin

Brown-- terrorist
white-- mass shooter

[Marthe48]

10. So many bullies with guns

Anybody who harms children. So many bullies, so many victims.

[NRaleighLiberal]

11. Too. Many. Guns. Period.

[iluvtennis]

23. Ditto

[forgotmylogin]

12. Have they determined yet

if this is a Muslim terrorist, or a criminal minority, or a troubled white person?

[mnhtnbb]

15. Just heard on public radio domestic violence involvement

[Ellen Forradalom]

18. A "Hehadist."

Call it what is, male supremacist violence.

[Judi Lynn]

36. "He had" a bad day, poor thing. n/t

[Hestia]

13. I keep wondering if MSM should run the daily death count like they did during Vietnam.

Walter Cronkite voiced the troops that died that day at the end of the national news every day.

[RKP5637]

16. +++ 1,000 +++ K&R n/t

[renate]

17. that is a phenomenal idea!!!

[OldHippieChick]

22. This would be a fantastic idea. Wish even one

network would consider doing this. Not that many minds would change, as a majority agree we need more gun control, but the publicity might finally make people contact their reps and demand action.

[Hestia]

49. Yes, just one listing the number, along with Y-T-D totals. It would absolutely shock people, maybe

even doing something about it?

[Judi Lynn]

37. Great idea. Thanks. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

45. Show the bodies. Show what a GUN can do. What it really can do. No scrubbing of the blood.

[mnhtnbb]

14. Five now confirmed dead

[riversedge]

29. 5 more candles.

[BobsYourUncle]

38. Get ready for those thoughts and prayers. N/T

[vkkv]

20. Another legal, responsible gun owner no doubt. nt

[ManiacJoe]

52. Not according to the news reports.

[vkkv]

53. The attached article says the shooter shot his roomate before shooting others, he also

stole his neighbor's truck.

NOT A WORD about owning guns illegally, only that the shootings are all part of the same incident... gimme a f'n break man.
Please never reply to any more of my comments, alright?

Including this one.. waste of time.

[ManiacJoe]

54. Guns not legally owned, according to other articles.

For example:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/us/california-tehama-county-shootings/index.html

[Willie Pep]

21. Every time I open my news feed I expect to see mass shootings.

I don't know about others here but I look up the news with dread these days because of all of these mass shootings. This is disgusting. I am just disgusted.

[Not Ruth]

33. Not sure if this is consider a mass shooting or many mass shootings

[bluestarone]

24. The last guy ran into a school bus and i thought

Now there going to start shooting or going after children. If they continue as i think they will,then This is the lowest of lows i hate them bastards!

[Coventina]

26. If the shooting of Republican lawmakers didn't change their mind, nothing will.

[Bengus81]

31. Didn't bother them 40 years ago when Jim Brady was shot........

Now it bothers them even less...........

[Doreen]

27. Well, if you can't beat them join them.

Do what the N.R.A repukes want, give those kindergarten and up guns to take to school then they can shoot the shooter get on with their day at school. What an absolutely fucked up mess this country is in.

[humbled_opinion]

28. ENOUGH !

No one has the right to deprive Americans of Life, guns are depriving people of life, telling us that your right to own any gun you want trumps everyone's right to live in peace, is the antithesis of why this country was founded.

[Bengus81]

30. Five dead,started with domestic violence. More multiple killings for Trump to IGNORE...........

He'll have the usual "disturbed" statement and then nothing...............

[Not Ruth]

32. Is it a mass shooting if it is in multiple locations?

[kwalter66]

50. Yes

mass shootings are classified by how many killed not location, So if was the same person on the rampage and more than three dies then yes it was a mass shooting. And does it really matter? 5 people are dead.

[Not Ruth]

51. How about if it is over several days?

By the way, no one has to die or be hit for there to be a mass shooting. It is the act of shooting that is critical.

[Doc_Technical]

34. "A well regulated militia....."

Should have its automatic and semi-automatic weapons stored in an
armory and they can be removed from the armory only when
the militia is conducting training and maneuvers.
Revolvers, lever action, bolt action, and slide (pump) action
firearms can be kept by individual citizens.

[Bengus81]

39. Yep...RW blowhards love to quote the 2nd amendment and then

want ZERO regulations. Hypocrites as usual........

[Igel]

43. That explains the huge push ...

To legalize automatic weapons.

Because those are regulations the gunlovers don't want.

Except there's no such push.

[0rganism]

46. time for some more thoughts and prayers, right?

thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, graaaak

[Blue_Tires]

48. Holy damn...

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