Trump's personal banking information handed over to Robert Mueller

[Saviolo]

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Source: The Guardian

Donald Trump’s banking information has formally been turned over to Robert Mueller, the special prosecutor who is investigating whether the president’s campaign conspired with the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential election.

Deutsche Bank, the German bank that serves as Trump’s biggest lender, was forced to submit documents about its client relationship with the president and some of his family members, who are also Deutsche clients, after Mueller issued the bank with a subpoena for information, according to multiple media reports. The news was first reported by Handelsblatt, the German newspaper.

Deutsche Bank declined to comment. The bank told Bloomberg in a statement that it always cooperated with investigating authorities.

It also indicated that any investigation into Trump personally may not be limited to the question of whether or not the president sought to obstruct justice when he fired the former FBI chief James Comey. Instead, said Ryan Goodman, a New York law professor and former Pentagon counsel, it showed that Mueller was possibly examining whether the president could be compromised by Russian interests.



Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/05/donald-trump-bank-records-handed-over-robert-mueller?CMP=share_btn_tw

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And John Iadarola from TYT tweeted this:

Link to tweet

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Get the tax returns next Bob!

[marylandblue]

3. Well the money laundromat is a blazing inferno

Deutsche Bank is also a favored bank of Russian Oligarchs.

[PearliePoo2]

5. There was a legal type on MSNBC this morning and he said that every single person he talked to..

both law and intelligence experts, have assured him that Bob Mueller does INDEED have donald's tax returns!

[Shrike47]

25. Leak, please oh please oh please...

[calimary]

26. I saw that, too. WICKED Cool!

It's about time this fucking crook is exposed. Crooked Donald. Yeah, we're all still waiting to see your tax returns, Donald. HAND 'EM OVER, Dammit! I bet those tax returns tell one whale of a story! And as soon as we see 'em, it'll probably be abundantly clear why he's been hiding them.

If everything's on the up-'n'-up, Donald, then what's yer problem? If you've done nothing wrong, then you should have nothing to hide, true? Mind if we don't just take your word for it?

[NCjack]

36. Maybe Mueller can park "Donny the chin"(head of the GOP mafia) in prison for tax cheating

while the Feds run down the money laundering paths.

[TheDebbieDee]

43. I guess you've never watched American Greed...

The DOJ has liaisons that work for the IRS. Any time the DOJ needs help with a financial crime investigation, the IRS is there to help, provided all the "t"s are crossed and the "i"s are dotted!

[lagomorph777]

44. Crossed the red line. A blazing, burning, red fire.

Pres. Turd is toast!

[ffr]

2. One way or another, the end is near.

It always comes down to money. And in tRump's world, money is king above all.

We're in the final two or three rounds of this match. Mueller has saved up his best knockout punch for last and tRump's on the ropes, withering under the pressure of his own lies and deceit.

[FakeNoose]

30. This should be the smoking gun!

I still want his tax returns published though.

[Dalton Mac]

4. JUICY!

And if Trump decides to fire Mueller? Too late. Ship sailed. He'll merely SPEED UP his removal from office!

[renate]

20. welcome to DU!

[Dalton Mac]

40. Go raibh maith agat

Gaelic

[calimary]

29. Welcome to DU, Dalton Mac!

It will be interesting to see how many of the GOP holier-than-thou hypocrites still stick with him as this grotesque aberration falls apart. Some of them will. They'll go down with his ship. ANYTHING to avoid having to admit you were wrong, or worse - that you've been royally HAD.

[forgotmylogin]

33. Wasn't that the red line 45 drew?

"DON'T investigate my personal finances!"

Which is about as smart as "Sure you can search my car, Officer, so long as you don't look in the trunk!"

[erronis]

41. And I don't know nothin about the body you might find in there.

And if I did, it was my best friend Vinnie who did her in.

And if Vinnie fingers me, he's just a liar.

Believe me.
(The Who)

[2naSalit]

6. My oh my...

[NastyRiffraff]

7. And so it begins

This is enormous, and very very bad for Dump and family. He's always explicitly protected his finances, including of course his taxes. If there's anything illegal there (and my guess is that there's more than one thing) Mueller will find it.

We already know he has a pattern of cheating contractors, workers, and business associates. His bankruptcies were scams to line his pockets while shafting everyone else associated with his businesses (other than his family). It wouldn't be AT ALL surprising if some of his financial activities illegally involved Russians.

[erronis]

42. Of course, the Uglicans have done everything they can to diminish the IRS

I suspect that 80%+++ of them would be given huge tax bills, if not convictions for tax evasions, if the examiners could have Mueller-type access to all of their records.

What a fun time to be a US citizen watching the "righteous" crumble under their own misdeeds!

[honest.abe]

8. This is big.

I am convinced the Trump family and the Russian oligarchs are financially and illegally linked and these bank accounts will clearly show it.

[renate]

23. welcome to DU!

Great user name!

[honest.abe]

28. Thanks.

If only we someone like him in the WH.

[calimary]

32. Welcome to DU, honest.abe!

Nothing honest about these "sons and daughters of 'The Party of Lincoln'." Nothing. Honest Abe is surely rolling in his grave. No. Not rolling. Not nearly. Probably more along the lines of Olympics-level gymnastics.

[Maven]

9. Deutsche Bank is a Russian money laundromat

So of course they are "Trumps biggest lender".

This is the crux of the Russians' influence on Trump.

They subsidize his business with their mob money. He needs them to stay afloat because no legitimate financiers will touch him. And they also know about all his dirty dealings to the last dollar. He can't afford to alienate them.

The "other" kompromat - sex perversion type stuff - is just extra insurance for them to keep him in line.

[LittleGirl]

10. the Guardian?

okay. I trust them yes, but wished it had come from a US press company.
nevermind.

[delisen]

11. Possibly these are also NY crimes too and firing Mueller

or pardoning witnesses may not work to evade consequences.

Wondering if siege mentality takes over and Trump decides to hole up somewhere and fight it out -where will it be: White House, Trump Tower, Post Office Hotel, Mar e Lago, or undisclosed location?

This past year sure takes the shine off the 'Imperial Presidency."

[Pluvious]

18. Or perhaps holed up in a scenic dacha outside Moscow ?

[Roland99]

12. Would the investigation not continue w/o Mueller??

[getagrip_already]

16. unlikely...

What the new ag could do first is to simply abolish he rule that established the sc in the first place. It isn't constitutional, and it didn't come about from legislation (that was the special prosecutor statute that expired under gop leadership).

The special council came about from a policy set in place by the then attorney general. It can be undonde by any AG willing to set aside the rule.

Once set aside, all authority for the SC would end, muehler and his staff would be gone, and all materials and work product would fall into the possession of doj prosecutors.

In short, the investigation would stop cold.

Now presumably, there are already sealed indictments against trump and the sc could petition the court to not allow the ag to close the investigation as an obstruction attempt.

Dubious. Even indictments would need to be prosecuted, and they could be set aside at any time as too weak to proceed.

So, it's a scary place and an instant constitutional crisis.

I think this is why they are being so calm (trump is calm, he is just dumpster fire while calm). Trump believes he holds the upper hand and can stop the train any time he wants to.

He believes he can stop an impeachment or conviction. There aren't 19 republicans who are brave enough to convict him in the senate.

He isn't worried because he is a bully and the GOP is weak.

[Roland99]

24. I hope Mueller has had this info for a while and is about to pounce

[lagomorph777]

45. Mueller has most likely set up a dead-man switch.

If he is pulled off the case, the switch flips. Dirt on Pres. Turd, Turd Jr, Eric the Turd, Ivanka Turd, and the entire GOPutin leadership will suddenly flood the inbox of every reporter in the country.

[karin_sj]

13. This is big!

[renate]

19. welcome to DU!

and yes, !

[iluvtennis]

14. Wow, made my day - Happy Tuesday!

[pangaia]

15. Germany, fortunately, is still a country of laws.

[ffr]

17. To refresh: TRMS Deutsche Bank, Tillerson, Putin, and tRump financial connection

[SunSeeker]

21. Love it!

[TygrBright]

22. ALL of it? ALL of his banking information? The offshore accounts...

...the numbered-only Swiss accounts, the accounts held by aliases or shell companies?

ALL of it?

I bet not.

grimly,
Bright

[FakeNoose]

35. No this is just his Deutsche Bank accounts

... but it should be enough to convict the bastard - finally.

Quite possibly Manafort has turned over other off-shore bank info on Cheeto also. We'll soon know.

[SHRED]

27. That is Trump's "Red Line" isn't it?

[jalan48]

39. Yep. If Trump intends to fire Mueller it should be happening soon.

It will be up to the Republicans to do something at that point and I'm not optimistic.

[DangerousUrNot]

31. If Trump fires Mueller, itll be sometime soon.

If he does and Congress doesn’t take action, we the people need to demand his resignation.

[Saviolo]

37. If he fires Mueller and Congress doesn't take action

We the people need to take action. Take to the streets. Protest up and down both coasts and right down the middle. Don't allow that slide down into totalitarianism gain any more traction.

[yurbud]

34. this is where the real meat is.

[scarytomcat]

38. Maybe we will find out that he is such a bad businessman

he owes more than his assets are worth so if he sells he will go bankrupt
Hopefully we will see the facts about money laundering, rigged deals, unpaid obligations
His deals are so criminal US banks won't lend to him only corrupt foreign banks will

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. Locking - duplicate thread

of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141930571 . Please continue discussion there. Thanks.