US military tests hypersonic jet
Source: Irish Times
irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Wednesday, August 15, 2012, 07:03
US military tests hypersonic jet
The US military conducted an unmanned test flight yesterday of its hypersonic Waverider aircraft that is designed to move at six times the speed of sound using technology that bridges the gap between planes and rocketships.
A B-52 bomber launched the remotely monitored, nearly wingless experimental aircraft, officially known as the X-51A, between 10am and 11am local time, John Haire, a spokesman for the 412th test wing at Edwards Air Force Base in California, said in a statement. Results of the brief test flight will be released today, he added.
The plan had been to conduct the test flight over the Pacific Ocean after a staging at Edwards, said a spokeswoman for Boeing, which was involved in constructing the craft, said in a statement.
The Waverider is designed to reach speeds of Mach 6 or above, fast enough to zoom from New York to London in less than an hour. But rather than commercial air travel, the military has its eye on a more readily achievable application - using it to develop high-speed cruise missiles.
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)it stays airborne, in part, with lift generated by the shock waves of its own flight."
Fascinating. And scary that it is supposed to make it from New York to London in an hour. But not developed for passenger flights.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)maybe 35 max.
The flight time for an intercontinental ballistic missile from Russia, going over the north pole, was 30 minutes max to the farthest point in the United States, the little pointy foot of Texas.
In Alaska, flight time was 10 minutes, maybe less.
The reason I said that is you don't get the little nuclear war films in grade school anymore. I was probably one of the last. All that info is in them.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)And I grew up in another country so I didn't get a US public education. Thanks for the information.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Diclotican
(5,095 posts)Confusious
I'm just 36 - but I somehow got some information, about nuclear ICBMs over the years - and it was scary enough....
Thankfully a nuclear war never happened - at least not to this day - but I'm not sure what could happened years ahead.. I think we just have to se I guess.. And hope for the best... Hope that sanity somehow prevail..
Diclotican
Selatius
(20,441 posts)If one of the Soviet nuclear subs got within a thousand miles of American shores and was ordered to fire, it could hit a target on land in as little as five minutes given the speed of the missile and the incoming warhead. There was always a fear that the Soviet Union could use its ballistic missile submarines in a decapitation move meant to knock out key communication and command centers. This is why NORAD was built. Its distance inland would at least buy some time to react. That, and the fact that it was buried under a mountain. The Soviets had something similar buried inland in the heart of Russia. We also maintained our nuke subs off their shores as well. It was real high stakes in those days.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)With potential global strike range.
Matt Gurney on the X-51 Waverider: When people need to die really fast
But there is a need for rapid-strike capability, because sometimes, minutes and seconds do count. For example, imagine if the U.S. had gotten reliable intelligence that a dangerous individual someone like a bin Laden was in a specific location, but wouldnt be staying long. Unless you happened to have a bomber circling somewhere nearby, by the time an attack could hit that target, it would almost certainly be too late.
Thats where something like the Waverider would come in. Hypersonic cruise missiles, stationed aboard naval vessels or bombers scattered across the globe in proximity to likely conflict zones, would give the U.S. the means to hit targets with non-nuclear warheads fast enough to make a difference.
Hypersonic missiles still need a lot of work. It will be years before they are advanced and reliable enough to be militarily useful. But thats still far sooner than theyll be used to haul passengers or cargo. Getting where you need to go faster is great. But killing the right people quickly is even better.
Missycim
(950 posts)in 10 or so years this plane will be common place and we will ho-hum about it.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The only thing really different about this is that instead of being rocket-powered it operates with a jet engine called a Scramjet that operates in high-speed mode (Mach 7) and can be throttled back for subsonic flight and powered landing - that extends the range and usefulness, a lot.
This thing also appears to use a supercooled gas to fill the boundary layer around the fuselage that allows it to operate longer at hypersonic speeds lower in the atmosphere. But, that neat trick was conceived in the mid-1950s. It also operate as a "wave-rider", but again that's basically 1950s technology. The F-4 Phantom and B-70 manned bombers both employ wave-rider underbodies and wings. What you can plainly see in the video I posted above thread are the characteristic "bursts" of laminar airflow associated with that design at high Mach speeds.
There is a larger, operational version of the X-51B that we demonstrated for the Chinese and Russians a couple years ago. The video is from the China fly-over. That's not a UFO - it's an unmanned hypersonic aircraft developed by the USAF/Lockheed and most probably operated by the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). These things are extraordinarily expensive to build and operate, so we only have a handful of them.
What advantage does this thing have over an ICBM? None for delivering nuclear warheads, but it is a very fast-moving, maneuverable aerial surveillance platform that current generation antiaircraft/ABM interceptors might have trouble shooting down. They're great for psyching out the opposition (and the bottom-line for Lockheed stockholders).
Missycim
(950 posts)there could be a commercial use for these planes?
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,453 posts)Missycim
(950 posts)laser weapons
Proles
(466 posts)I'm sure the days when people will fly NY to LA in this sort of aircraft will not be too far away, relatively speaking (though ticket prices will naturally be insanely high at first).
It's a shame a lot of these things have to originate from defense spending -- but things like the Internet, GPS, etc have originated from their.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)You could buy 6 or 7 widebodies for that.
Missycim
(950 posts)but i remember when cell phones were new and cost a heck of a lot more then now.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The skin temperature of parts of a hypersonic aircraft reaches almost 2000 degrees, even with supercooled liquid injection. It's the same issue with the Space Shuttle, which is why that program was so expensive as well.
It's an inherent engineering problem that has not been overcome in 60 years since we first had the capability to go that fast. It's not getting up to that speed that's a problem, it's doing it over and over again with a reasonable turnaround time between flights, as required for any mode of transport to make commercial sense.
Missycim
(950 posts)problem? I saw a show on the space elevator and how we are close in making a material to withstand the pressures need for such and endeavor. Well if they ever find a material for that plane that can withstand repeated flights it would be a fantastic world to live in.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The SR-71 was largely titanium which made it astronomically expensive to manufacture. Most current gen hi-performance jets and aerospace vehicles are largely composites, with ceramic heat tiles on the leading edges of reentry vehicles. But even those materials fracture and break down at sustained high temps and pressures.
Missycim
(950 posts)maybe I will see it before they plant me.
Proles
(466 posts)the ultra rich who for whatever reason need to get from point A to point B immediately.
Nonetheless, the beginning of air travel was also quite expensive, but advances in technology made it more accessible for the average person.
Anyways, I think I heard this thing blew up, so it might take some time to work out the kinks anyways lol
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Older DUers who were following aerospace news back in the 1980s may remember all the hype about the National Aerospace Plane, (NASP).
This project came out of the ultra-top-secret DARPA 'Copper Canyon' study. President Ronald Reagan announced the NASP program in his 1986 State of the Union Address; it was sold to the American public as the prototype for an "Orient Express" that could reach Tokyo in two hours and, as a single-stage-to-orbit replacement for the Space Shuttle.
A lot of people in the pro-space movement, including the National Space Society (of which I was a member) bought into the hype. Others were not so easily convinced: An aerospace craft that could reach near-orbital speeds (Mach 20-25) in the atmosphere would undergo incredible heating (1800-3000 deg F). Insulating tile like those on the shuttle only work when the heat load is relatively brief; insulation only slows the progress of heat to the aerospace craft's skin. In prolonged hypersonic flight, the problem would be heat soak; heat would have time to reach the skin of the craft. So, an active cooling system would be needed, along with a new generation of refractory (heat-heat) resistant materials. An active cooling system would probably be one that passed fuel (liquid hydrogen in most designs) under the skin to carry away heat.
An active cooling system would add weight to the vehicle. There was also the issue that scramjet engines, ramjets that can operate at hypersonic speeds, don't even begin to work until they're moving at about Mach 6 or greater. That meant the NASP would have to have two or three propulsion systems: One for takeoff to about Mach 3, another to work in the realm from Mach 3 to Mach 6, and the scramjet from Mach 6 upward. I might add that air-breathing engines are heavier than rockets.
The weight of the active cooling systems and the multiple propulsion systems would largely negate the advantage that airbreather systems seemed to promise.
The National Aerospace Plane project was finally terminated in 1993. A few years later, in 1996, aerospace writer G. Harry Stine announced that the National Aerospace Plane project had been a cover for a military project to develop hypersonic flight! Nothing ever flew except unmanned test vehicles, like the Waverider.
So we lost a number of years when we could have been working on a practical successor to the Space Shuttle, probably a two-stage, completely reusable vehicle.
As for hypersonic flight becoming commercially feasible in any foreseeable future, I would point to the Anglo-French Concorde. Between its first flight in 1976 and its retirement in 2003, the Concorde was a consistent money loser; it was only flown by airlines like British Airways and Air France that were subsidized by their respective governments. Even the British and France haven't been tempted to invest in a Concorde II (The US supersonic transport program was wisely terminated early in the 1970s).
The reasons for the Concorde's lack of commercial success and the reason hypersonic flight isn't likely to be commercially viable, are two fold: 1) Cost of fuel, or the laws of economics meet the laws of aerodynamics. Somewhere around Mach 1.8, the energy needed to overcome drag starts increasing rapidly. 2) Cost of maintenance: Airlines prefer a robust vehicle that doesn't break the bank in terms of maintenance labor or material cost. Supersonic and hypersonic aircraft would require exotic, expensive materials and many more man-hours of maintenance by highly skilled workers.
The reasons given above are largely the reason modern aircraft don't fly appreciably faster than the original Boeing 707 in the late 50s. Most of the design studies conducted by NASA and big aerospace are aimed at reducing fuel consumption, not achieving supersonic or hypersonic speeds.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)(Reuters) - An unmanned experimental hypersonic military aircraft called the Waverider broke apart over the Pacific Ocean seconds into a test flight due to a faulty control fin, the U.S. Air Force said on Wednesday.
The problem with the fin was identified 16 seconds after a rocket booster on the X-51A aircraft was ignited to increase its speed in a test flight on Tuesday morning, the Air Force said in a statement.
Fifteen seconds later, when the X-51A separated from the rocket booster, it lost control due to a "faulty control fin," the statement said. The 31 seconds of flight fell far short of the military's goal for the X-51A to fly for five minutes.