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Gothmog
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maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)Joe's 75 now, Kerry's only 74.
Shouldn't we find someone in their 80s, like DiFi or Jerry Brown?
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)“To friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation.”
It’s time to stop looking back and start moving forward to the next generation of leaders.
Soxfan58
(3,537 posts)America will be looking for a trusted grandfather figure, after this insane shitstorm. Biden,Kerry, and Jerry Brown would be great leaders. And I dont want to forget Bernie!
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)
Soxfan58
(3,537 posts)Maybe I should have said a "trusted" grandfather figure.
Abouttime
(675 posts)The Presidency was stolen from him in 2004
50 Shades Of Blue
(11,389 posts)
samnsara
(18,767 posts)...but Joe or Kerry..either one I can support. They know their shit and will not have to go to 'President School'
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pnwmom
(110,259 posts)the same healthcare as a member of Congress.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_Kerry_Health_Care.htm
Health care is not a privilege but a right for all
The story of people struggling for health care is the story of so many Americans. But it’s not the story of senators and members of Congress. Because we give ourselves great health care and you get the bill. Your family’s health care is just as important as any politician’s in Washington DC. When I’m President, America will stop being the only advanced nation which fails to understand that health care is not a privilege for the wealthy, the connected, and the elected - it is a right for all Americans.
Source: Acceptance speech to the Democratic National Convention , Jul 29, 2004
Source: Democratic 2004 primary Debate in Greenville SC , Jan 29, 2004
Day 1: Make health care a right, not a privilege
Q: After the inauguration, what would be your first action as president?
A: I will send to Congress a health care plan that stops spiraling costs, covers every child in America, and makes it possible for every American to get the same health care as any member of Congress. Making health care a right and not a privilege is something worth fighting for.
ALSO:
Kerry voted to extend CHIP to millions more children. Bush VETOED the bill.
Voted YES on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility.
Allows State Children's Health Insurance Programs (SCHIP), that require state legislation to meet additional requirements imposed by this Act, additional time to make required plan changes. Pres. Bush vetoed this bill on Dec. 12, 2007, as well as a version (HR976) from Feb. 2007.
ALSO, ON TAX MATTERS:
ALSO, KERRY VOTED YES ON INCREASING TAXES FOR THE WEALTHIEST, NO ON REPEALING THE ALTERNATIVE MINIMUM TAX, NO ON RAISING THE ESTATE TAX DEDUCTION FROM $1 MILLION TO $5 MILLION, NO ON PERMANENTLY REPEALING THE ESTATE TAX.
HE VOTED AGAINST EXTENDING THE BUSH TAX CUTS, AND AGAINST ACROSS THE BOARD TAX CUTS.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_Kerry_Tax_Reform.htm
blm
(114,656 posts)They know their audience.
C_U_L8R
(49,382 posts)But can't we just elect Canada's Prime Minister?
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)I would hang on every word he'd say, and not too bad on the eyes either.
Renew Deal
(85,144 posts)How many 70+ candidates are we going to run? He only won the primary in 2004 because the field was weak. He wouldn’t have stood a chance in 2008 and is going nowhere in 2020.
DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)70+ is not the same as it used to be. The other day I went down the elevator at work with a woman who told me her mom was picking her up. Guess how old her mom was? 97!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"How many 70+ candidates are we going to run?"
About the same amount as the Tide Pod Challenge candidates we're going to run... 
(Since we're simply making allegations lacking any objective evidence to support it as an actual premise.)
montanacowboy
(6,714 posts)He was quick to concede the rigged Ohio Election
We need young bold leaders
I am an old fart and I don't want any more old farts running
Their time is up
DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)We don't need a young fart who knows nothing. I don't care how much energy they have. Why not judge folks for who they are? Not all folks in their 70s are the same.
Mme. Defarge
(9,019 posts)when he caved so quickly when the election was stolen for a second time by GWB. He’s a good man, but he let us down and does not deserve a do over.
pansypoo53219
(23,034 posts)THE MEDIA KILLED HILLARY. and kerry and dean.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)but we need to bring back experience and intelligence and a person who knows the English language, and diplomatic.
Grins
(9,457 posts)Kerry will be 77 on election day 2020.
Biden will be 78.
DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)Judging them for who they are, their ideas, how they come across and not their age? How old are you?
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)I have lots of living elder relatives. While it's possible for someone in their 70's to be mentally acute and active, they are still prone to loss of concentration and loss of skills, even if they can cover it up for the most part - it is still there.
Being president is a full time job. It isn't something a dotard or a retiree can do well, no matter how good their staff is.
It's time for younger leadership. One "frontrunner" will be almost 80 in jan of 2020. And he was missing steps 2 years ago.
Sorry. There is such a thing as being too old for some jobs.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"There is such a thing as being too old for some jobs."
What precisely then is that age, and on what objective measure do you base it (regardless of how sorry you are...)?
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)lots of jobs have age limits. Sure, they are arbitrary but they still exist.
The risk with the presidency is that you can end up with a jaffar running the show, or at the very least manipulating the leader.
Sorry, but 75 is too old. Is 70? Probably.
Does that unfairly exclude an outlyer? Maybe, too bad.
It's like asking when should you take the keys away from grandma. If you are asking, it's already too late.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)you stay home, you vote third party, you right in names, you take a chance on a visibly racist, unstable narcisist with a need to destry what others love, and you don't get honest or reasonable.
We need a candidate who can win, and who can lead. They will literally need to rebuild the government. In 2020, we will be post war germany without a marshal plan.
This won't be a caretaker position. Don't nominate someone who doesn't have the energy to campaign, let alone lead. And for the love of life, don't elect someone who will lose. I honestly believe if we nominate one of the 2016 primary candidates, we will lose in 2020.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)He will be almost 80 by the time he took office. That (or him for any reason) we absolutely don't need!
DownriverDem
(7,014 posts)So Bernie is too old too? I say good because he's not a Dem.
Ilsa
(64,362 posts)He's a great man. I really love the guy. But his time has passed.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)Joe Biden but we need someone to energize of citizenry again and tell them the truth, we will never have another President Obama, sadly.
awesomerwb1
(5,101 posts)But nah.
We really don't have anyone more exciting than Kerry, Biden, Bernie?
3 years away still....
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)any DU'ers up for the challenge???? just bringing some amusement to the board. 
StevieM
(10,578 posts)in the race a month after the voting stopped last time. Romney could talk about running a third time in 2016. And Biden can run for a third time, in his late 70s, after first running in 1988.
But Hillary Clinton was accused of being obsessed with power and running her whole life when she ran again in 2016. Actually, she faced that charge in 2008, when she ran for the first time, as well.
The sexism is so blatant.
Staph
(6,467 posts)to stick to their knitting and go for walks in the woods?
Even in the Democratic Party, the misogyny is strong!
SharonClark
(10,497 posts)Staph
(6,467 posts)I'm not seeing much in the way of prejudice or discrimination against men.
Justice
(7,261 posts)
FakeNoose
(41,622 posts)But I don't ever want to see another woman be humliated and subjected to the garbage that was thrown at Hillary Clinton. I happen to love Hillary and she's the main reason I joined the Democratic Party - so I could vote for her in the primary. (Previously I was independent my whole life.)
There isn't an opposing party that can behave cordially and patriotically, other than the Democrats. Until the Republican Party can be banished to hell where they belong, we have to go through this charade every 4 years with them. They don't know how to behave and they surely cannot be trusted. The abuse is more than I can stand and I don't want to see another woman treated the way they treated her. It's just not right.
moriah
(8,312 posts)And she's been in two -- one eight years ago...
Maybe someone has to come out there and deal with those attacks and make them look like what they were -- plain sexism. And persist. Let's face it, there's truth to the cliche that "well-behaved women" rarely make history. Truthfully, I think Hillary did exactly that, but ner baggage that came from having had Hillary Derangement Syndrome (sexist at its core) pushed for many first-time voters entire *lives* didn't help in the states our stupid system says mattered.
Here's a good video from the 2008 primary, where they really got some idiots up there ...
FakeNoose
(41,622 posts)... however I'll forgive you because you don't know me and I didn't explain all the details. I have voted in every election since 1972 when I became 21 and I have never voted for a Republican for president. I've always voted for a Democrat for President, and I'm pretty sure I've also voted for Dems for House and Senate every time. I joined the Democratic Party in 2008 because I wanted to vote for Hillary in the primary. In Pennsylvania as in most states you can only vote in the primary of the party in which you're a member.
That being said, the evil that the Republican Party showed towards Hillary last year has been worse than anything I've ever seen. Yes it was sexism of the highest order and I don't ever want to see it again towards any woman.
joshcryer
(62,536 posts)Golden Raisin
(4,755 posts)That is if we still have elections in this Country.
Dopers_Greed
(2,647 posts)Even though I have nothing against him, losing in 2004 is a total albatross that people will hold against him.
LittleGirl
(8,999 posts)but seriously folks, we need younger blood. (And I'm almost 60!)
What about some mid-40s or 50s ladies and gentlemen? They have experience and have been around the block some. We have to look forward, not back.
fyi, I would vote for whoever the Dems put forward that wins the nomination. I will NOT vote for a third party or GOP.
Aristus
(72,178 posts)But I don't want him running in 2020.
If he does, I will vote for him enthusiastically.
But I want someone younger and more dynamic. A Barack Obama-type.
Joe Kennedy III would make an inspiring candidate.
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)When Kerry let an AWOL, Draft Dodger beat him with BS charges and did not fight back, this told me he was not a great candidate.
PennyK
(2,343 posts)I can still see that horrible woman laughing with the fake medals.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What leads you to allege he never fought back against those charges? Because, well... he did, regardless of whether you ignored it or not, or are simply too young to remember.
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)
irisblue
(37,506 posts)That was a big clue by 4 to me.
The National Party not fighting Blackwell, also telling.
Sanity Claws
(22,412 posts)He and Biden should be helping to develop the younger generation of leaders. Their time has passed.
AlexSFCA
(6,319 posts)kinda like biden to obama.
woodsprite
(12,582 posts)milestogo
(23,073 posts)When I think of a statesman, I think of Kerry.
Biden is one gaffe after another.
karynnj
(60,965 posts)Biden was an excellent VP, but Kerry was an exceptional Secretary of State. Neither of Obama's two biggest foreign policy accomplishments, Iran deal or the climate accord would have happened without Kerry.
That said, I doubt either will run.
This story is all hear say and parts seem very distorted especially in right wing sources.
bearsfootball516
(6,711 posts)That being said...I don't want him to run. We need youth.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)I think every possible candidate should say they are thinking of running.
Drive Trump crazy.
Yes,Kerry is running,so is Gore and Oprah and Jimmy Kimmel and Chelsea Clinton.
I do have total respect for John Kerry.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)IMO he wasn't that good a candidate the first time. Mr. Excitement. I'd literally hate to see him run again.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,940 posts)president.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)And yes, I'm with you on competence.
But we need someone who can excite the VOTERS, someone who can be seen as not just better than Trump, but worth voting for. Worth getting up and out of the house to go vote for. That ain't Kerry, I'll guarantee you.
oasis
(53,689 posts)
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Biden. Sanders. Kerry.
Hey, Fritz Hollings is still alive! He's won't be too old at 98! What are you, an ageist?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to compete on competence with those who have years of experience.
And only a very few will be able to match the types of talents combined with stamina and hard work that elevates people to leadership positions.
Notably, even the power and extensive connections with other powerful people that these elderfarts have accrued is invaluable in those positions.
We need a mix of ages and experience, which is why our leaders are all always on the lookout for talented younger members to bring along.
But I agree with you that many people live long lives without expanding their understanding over the last several decades. If we don't recognize calcification setting in when we're young, we sure won't realize it later.
bronxiteforever
(11,212 posts)Plus they will run 2004 swift boats against him and he is not ruthless enough against Trump.
Major negatives for us winning.
hueymahl
(2,904 posts)We need new blood.
djg21
(1,803 posts)We need a candidate from a state that isn’t already dependably blue. It’s all about the electoral college. Give me a candidate from the midwest, Rocky Mountain States or the South. Like John Hickenlooper.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)I hope she runs. I think she could win.
hueymahl
(2,904 posts)She is the kind of new blood we need.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)for VP. But we are so behind the 8 ball as far as getting a woman leader comparing other European countries, I wish our society wasn't so racist and sexist. But things will change.
We just need to get out there and vote no matter what. 
djg21
(1,803 posts)Again, we need a candidate who isn’t from a state that is assuredly blue already. She doesn’t deliver electors from states that are red or purple.
delisen
(7,365 posts)We had our first woman candidate for president in 2016. It seem that it took criminality and to defeat her.
All those millions of women who voted for her-do you think maybe millions of those million have anything to do with what's happening today?
Clinton is concentrating on getting women into office--why can't these male candidates do the same-put the ego aside.
I don't really need any more personally ambitious male candidates running for president--I've had that all my life and it has not resulted in in equality for me and my daughters. We have to keep fighting the same battles over and over again.
I can't get excited about yet another man with presidential ambitions who does not understand the the urgency of equality, of placing the needs of children first.
I am weary of the male orientation of our politics, of the pissing contest primaries, of the relegation of equality, human rights, childcare, equal pay,being regarded as "womens issues."
The male orientation has failed us. Let's acknowledge it and move on to political equality.
MFM008
(20,042 posts)Younger than me in this party??
Ill be 60 this year.
Anyone?
Bueller?
Bueller?
4now
(1,598 posts)
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)We're getting it 3rd hand. In any case, it's not a good optic for citizen Kerry to appear to be negotiating foreign policy when our current 'President' is under investigation for doing the same thing during his campaign.
Ilsa
(64,362 posts)It just doesn't look right. I'm highly skeptical and would not share the story or link.
karynnj
(60,965 posts)As to Logan act, he is not negotiating or saying he can represent the US.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)the PA isn't technically a foreign government.
karynnj
(60,965 posts)Citizen Kerry can speak to anyone and give advice. He is not suggesting he can get the US to do anything or that he represents the US.
This is far less troubling than when 47 Republican Senature wrote Rouhani that Kerry and Obama could not negotiate for the US.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)"Kerry offered to help create an alternative peace initiative and promised to help garner international support from Europeans, Arab states and the international community." is the kind of thing that if we caught, say, Ronald Reagan, doing, we would be pretty exercised about.
Nevertheless, the wording of this story is weird. It says:
"Agha apparently reported details of the conversation to senior PA officials in Ramallah. A senior PA official confirmed to Maariv that the meeting took place."
That's not the same as confirming the content of any discussion. So, it might be a hit piece.
karynnj
(60,965 posts)It is much more likely that it is greatly enhanced. Kerry most likely continued to back the 2 state solution as does the international community. The international cummunity has long been on board. The US including the Obama administration pulled the rest of the world back.
Remember the vote in December 2016. ALL of the other countries voted to condemn the settlements. The US abstained. The rest of the world already backs the 1967 resolution and they disagree with Israel's interpretation that it does not mean all the pre 1967 land. The US speaks of minor swaps. Most of the world is stronger on that.
matt819
(10,749 posts)And I'm not a kid myself anymore. So if I'm being ageist, I'm discriminating against myself.
But could we please please please not encourage people who are over 55 to run. Kerry is 74 now, would be 75 when the marathon beings, and 76 when inaugurated.
Joe Biden is 75, would be 76, and then 77 at inauguration.
You can't ignore the experience. But, please, can we look to younger folks. Plus I'm friggin' tired of looking at old white guys with jowls.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)
regnaD kciN
(27,639 posts)...and therefore automatically suspect: "Be afraid! The Democrats might pick a Jew-hating candidate who'll side with the Palestinians! Better redouble your support of Trump!"
FSogol
(47,623 posts) blm
(114,656 posts)What the eff happened?
leftyladyfrommo
(20,002 posts)Beacool
(30,517 posts)He would be 77 by 2020. Sanders, Biden, Kerry, are we the party of septuagenarians????
Bring new blood or we are going to get clobbered.
StevieM
(10,578 posts)I like Tom Steyer and Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But I want younger face for POTUS, not because I'm ageist or anything I'd love any of them as POTUS but just because I think we'll have a better chance of winning ... with someone more new to the big stage ... ya know, like Bill was 1992, and Obama in 2008.
Pachamama
(17,564 posts)No no no no no...
And I say that at as somebody who worked actively on his campaign and raised a lot of money for him, including for his legal fund and went to Ohio and was there on the Election night.
I won't get into details - but no no no
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Yeah, mister can't concede fast e-fucking-nough. NO.
blm
(114,656 posts)but, the revisionists claiming otherwise seem to have won here at DU
blm
(114,656 posts)They get to plant propaganda and get knee-jerk attacks on their enemies at the drop of a fake headline.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210145035
riversedge
(80,802 posts)
herding cats
(20,049 posts)Read the JP article and reflect on its total content and overall message in context.
karynnj
(60,965 posts)Here is the FOX - yes FOX denial - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/26/john-kerry-rep-pushes-back-on-report-on-comments-to-abbas-2020-run.html
If you want to consider why this story was pushed -- consider that Trump and the RW Israelis are pushing for things that make the 2 state solution impossible. They have been furious with Kerry since the US abstained on a UN resolution - that was very close to the US position - on settlements and Kerry gave a detailed, impassioned speech - that many in the international community, especially France, pushed him since 2014 to give. It was a plea to change direction and create two states - completely aware that it was absolutely unlikely to happen. The problem is that for most liberal Zionists, accepting that that would not happen creates a conflict between the liberal and the Zionist beliefs.
To me, that speech which speaks unpleasant truths was a bookend - paired with a bookend on the other end of his public life - his truth to power speech from 1971. I suspect it is motivated by the same thing - he is a man of conscience. It is absolutely NOT the act of a man who is remotely considering a run for President, though there are few people even close to him in integrity, knowledge, experience, and morality. In 1971, speaking to Morey Safer of 60 minutes, he was asked if he he like to run for President. After an initial joke of "President of what", the 27 year old Kerry responded that there were important things they were then doing and he did not know if he could do them and keep people happy enough with him. (The Boston Globe book truncates the "and keep them happy enough with me" - completely altering the meaning.) Kerry is easily a good enough politician to know that that important speech would hurt anyone running for President.
This is the US right wing joining the Israeli right wing to try to both attack Kerry because of his work in 2014. It is not the first time the rw lied about Kerry - Netanyahu himself intentionally mischaracterized a Hamas ceasefire plan in 2014 as Kerry's and Obama's.
