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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:01 AM Mar 2018

Cruz revealed gory fantasies to his therapists years before the Parkland massacre

Source: MSN/Miami Herald

Nearly four years before Nikolas Cruz killed 17 students and educators at a Parkland, Fla., high school, he confided in a therapist that he saw himself in a dream drenched in human blood.

A May 3, 2014, notation in a Broward County schools psychiatric file said Cruz "reported (a dream) last week of him killing people and covered in blood. He smiled and told the therapist that sometimes he says things for shock value."

After Cruz's disclosure to his therapist at the alternative Cross Creek School, administrators developed a "safety plan" to ensure the welfare of Cruz and others while he was on summer vacation. The plan included provisions for removing "all sharp objects from the home" and encouraging the youth to "verbalize what the problem is."

If talking about "the problem" was seen as a solution to Cruz's volatile behavior - and, in the short term, it may have been - it did not last. Portions of his psychiatric file, obtained by the Miami Herald Friday, show a young man whose mental health exhibited frequent and extreme swings. His attitude would brighten for weeks at a time, and then descend again into paranoia and anger.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cruz-revealed-gory-fantasies-to-his-therapists-years-before-the-parkland-massacre/ar-BBK5mNu



There should be a law that if you are bragging about killing people and have a documented history of mental illness, then you should not have a gun or at least have a means where family, school personnel, should get a retraining order an injunction against he purchase of a gun.

It seems like it is far easier to get a TRO against someone who is harassing someone, then it is to restrain someone who openly fantasizes about committing a mass shooting from getting a gun.
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Cruz revealed gory fantasies to his therapists years before the Parkland massacre (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2018 OP
For a minute, I thought this was about Ted Cruz UpInArms Mar 2018 #1
I did, too. Cha Mar 2018 #6
Me too. NNadir Mar 2018 #9
So did I!!! pazzyanne Mar 2018 #10
Me too d_r Mar 2018 #11
My mind went there IMMEDIATELY!! bullwinkle428 Mar 2018 #12
When I read the headline I thought Orange Free State Mar 2018 #2
Same Here Me. Mar 2018 #3
We all did. Cha Mar 2018 #7
I thought they meant Rafael Edward Cruz. n/t Julian Englis Mar 2018 #4
Ted has been pretty even-keeled since Loki Liesmith Mar 2018 #5
"Background checks" at the POS will never catch this... Sancho Mar 2018 #8
I think this is pretty close to my views on the matter. renegade000 Mar 2018 #13
Heres a California gun law that saves lives. If only Florida had such a law TomCADem Mar 2018 #14

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
5. Ted has been pretty even-keeled since
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 03:37 AM
Mar 2018

He finished with the Zodiac killings. His therapists believe he got it out of his system.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
8. "Background checks" at the POS will never catch this...
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 07:03 AM
Mar 2018

and my experience in Florida is exactly as described. That's why the only solution (to me) is a strict license to keep dangerous people from access to guns and ammunition.

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

For those who want to argue legality, please reference: The Second Amendment: A Biography by Michael Waldman

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
13. I think this is pretty close to my views on the matter.
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 12:45 PM
Mar 2018

Thanks for articulating your ideas about what licensing guidelines could look like. I suppose there could also be two-tiers of licensing as well, with the general license being very stringent as you have described (or even moreso), while something like a "hunter's license" gives someone legal access to very limited-capacity, non-semi-auto, long guns with slightly more relaxed requirements (e.g. lower age requirement, less frequent renewal periods, one vs. multiple references, etc.).


TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
14. Heres a California gun law that saves lives. If only Florida had such a law
Sun Mar 11, 2018, 01:29 PM
Mar 2018

I do not see why licensing and being able to get a TRO against folks making violent threats are mutually exclusive. What happens if someone with a license buys a gun, then starts making violent threats?

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article201215989.html

A man armed with an AR-15 assault weapon made serious threats, not in Parkland, Fla., but in La Jolla. There, authorities had the power to act.

The La Jolla man had texted his fiancée to say he intended to shoot her in the head. To drive home the point, he visited her ex-boyfriend and threatened to kill him, too.

Rather than wait until the man acted on his impulses, San Diego police turned the information over to San Diego City Attorney Mara W. Elliott, whose deputies used a relatively new California law to obtain a court-imposed gun violence restraining order requiring the man to turn over his gun last month.

Legislation pending in roughly other 18 states would follow the lead of California, Washington and Oregon by authorizing gun violence restraining orders. We can only imagine what might not have happened if such a law had been in place in Florida.
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