NY Police Fatally Shoot Unarmed Black Man On Brooklyn Street
Source: HuffPo
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Police fatally shot an unarmed black man walking down the street in the Crown Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, on Wednesday.
Officers responded to three 911 calls reporting that a man at an intersection was pointing what callers believed to be a gun at residents, New York Police Department Chief Terence A. Monahan said in a news briefing.
Today at 4:40 p.m., the NYPD received several 911 calls of a man described as a male black, wearing a brown jacket, pointing what is described as a silver firearm to people on the street, Monahan said. When officers arrived, they saw a man matching that description.
The suspect then took a two-handed shooting stance and pointed an object at the approaching officers, the police chief said.
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The shooting comes just two weeks after the killing of Stephon Clark by police in California.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Either way, between the 911 calls and the shooting stance, it sounds like a tragedy more than a crime.
duhneece
(4,118 posts)Just like in Albuquerque.
That'll show 'em.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Nitram
(22,890 posts)There is a cylinder with a top on it, a stem that comes out the size and curves 90 degrees upwards. There is even a mouthpiece on the end of the pipe's stem...
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)out for drugs in his system.
moriah
(8,311 posts)But I could be wrong.
Other sources also identified it as a showerhead.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/05/599711119/nyc-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-black-man-believing-he-had-a-gun
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Questions? Who needs questions?
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)We're missing something here.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The man was mentally ill. That shouldn't be a death sentence.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)And there is a cop standing besides you, what should the cop do? What if the guy is taking a shooting stance and is aimed at your wife or kids?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But it IS part of a pattern.
And while cops have the authority to exercise deadly force, there also needs to be consequences when they are wrong.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)If someone takes a shooting stance at me or my family today, damn right I want a nearby cop to respond.
If we react like Trump does (emotionally) about every shooting (justified or not) it HURTS our cause.
Scream when we should scream. Don't be Trump when we shouldn't.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)When we act like Trump during those times when it is justified, people will treat us the same way we treat the idiot Trump.
tblue37
(65,489 posts)WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)and said just that?
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)Very sad for the mentally ill man and his family,
hatrack
(59,592 posts).
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Just a shiny object..that justifies the killing if a non white
Nitram
(22,890 posts)Looks a lot more like a gun than a cell phone would. I'm afraid I think the cops may have been justified on this one, unless we decide that cops can never shoot before they are shot at first.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)My days of believing uncorroborated reports are very long gone.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)especially a male teenager enjoying his Skittles and tea, child on a playground, someone on a phone in their own backyard, EVERY AA jaywalker and hell ANY AA man, woman or child has a target on their person, back and front that the ameriKKKan SS and their civilian brownshirts have been given the green light by the present potus, to shoot at and kill. He told them directly to get tougher on those minorities. Well police officers are doing that and there are civilians who are chomping at the bit waiting for their potus to tell them openly, kill as many immigrants and n****** as they can, what wait!!! He already did. But ameriKKKans have always done this. At least this time in ameriKKKan history they are not under sheets with eyeholes..... and the decent americans can fight back with every fiber of their being
Nitram
(22,890 posts)If you look at the "pipe" involved, it could be mistaken for a gun at a distance. If you were a cop and someone took a shooting stance and pointed the stem of that pipe at you, what would you do? This is the first time I've seen evidence that the cops may have taken reasonable action.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The fight is even more effective if we respond to sufferers of bi-polar disorder with treatment rather than gunshot wounds.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)the fight is the fight. You might be able to give a benefit of doubt to every cop/AA encounter, I can't afford that luxury. Especially with the tweaking of an already hateful and vicious society by forces of racist hate who, I have no doubt, are seriously in a grim and idiotic search for reasons, again, to tout the superiority of possessors of white skin and to put AA "back in their place" underfoot of white superiority. They have been sharpening their knives of oppression since the day of 64-65 Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. No choice.
Per your question, I don't know what I would do in a case where I had a lethal weapon pointed at someone in a case like this. All I know is only in war does one start shooting and that's usually based on a protocol established by any particular war situation. These shootings of UNARMED AA since just say, Trayvon Martin(killed by a police wannabe/security guard). No, you keep giving benefit of doubt, your right and I will continue to be suspicious of ANY murder of an UNARMED AA by any police officer, especially the white ones. It's a matter of surviving racist hate emanating from a white culture that has only exhibited extreme animus toward all minorities, AA especially.
Trump brought out the hate that has been festering in the underbelly of this society since slavery was abolished. There are historical forces at work here at trumps clarion call for police to get tougher, on minorities, implied by his entire life of racist zeal. He's a crook, a con, a disaster a a potus but he has been VERY SUCCESSFUL at Making AmeriKKKa Openly Racist Again.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)where I see the scene in my mind and am inclined to give the cops the benefit of the doubt. Who called in the reports? They thought the man posed a danger. After reports of a man pointing a gun at people, when he took a shooting stance and pointed the barrel of that thing towards the cops...
brush
(53,871 posts)The man was deranged and did not shoot anyone or anything.
It's sickening that the only answer cops resort to is to shootno attempt to evaluated the situation, no non-lethal weapons tried, no de-escalation.
The man was deranged, seems that would become apparent pretty quickly. Not I guess if you kill the guy first though.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)You know why? Because some are justified and it makes it WAY harder to argue when it's NOT justified (or when blacks are targeted, etc). IT MAKES REGULAR FOLKS TUNE US OUT.
Here's what we should do. Scream like crazy when it's not justified. Don't blame the cops when it is justified (or, like it appears in this situation, when a guy takes a "shooters stance" ). The article even said that MULTIPLE callers said it looked like he was pointing a gun.
We want the normal people on our side. It makes us WAY stronger against the nut jobs on the right or any corrupt police.
Assuming and being emotional about everything is a Trump characteristic. No friggin way I'm being like that idiot.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)many racists in blue patrolling who have the option of killing/murdering/executing AA and other minorities at will. And with the blue wall of silence, getting away with murder with any lie that fits. Oh, poor police officers are sooooo misunderstood...bullsht.. Emotion is for those who have feelings and not trying to intellectualize reality when it comes to the VERY serious problem of racist whites who have crawled, at the behest of trump, out from the swamps and from under rocks of a racist culture that has ALWAYS been since the end of the institution of slavery and the creating of segregation and aparthate of the AA in this hateful and vicious culture.
I DO assume murder in every case like this and that doesn't make me an advocate of the hate called for by this POS calling himself potus.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)I never once said there weren't bad cops. I didn't say there wasn't corruption. I didn't say blacks weren't targeted.
I said we react like Donald Trump on every friggin shooting if it's justified or not. And that crap makes it exponentially harder when we need to scream (because average folks have already tuned is out).
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)This man was frightening women with children.....POC by the way. Literally walking up to people and shoving something that looks like a gun in their face. In today's climate, when school children are being gunned down in their classrooms and people are shot in movie theaters and congresspeople gunned down visiting with their constituants, an all around stupid thing to do. Imagine the terror those people felt in that split second? Thinking their life was over thanks to another maniac getting his jollies off fear? Thinking about their child's head possibly being blown off right there in front of them. Do you want to think about those people for even a split second?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)justifying summarily executing human beings as shown in the this video reality. I watched it. Just don't try to sell me, like the other pro lethal action people on the merits of being able to justify the murder of this individual. Don't use school children as your criteria for lethal action against an obviously troubled individual. I am not negating what people must have felt with this troubled individual doing what he did. I think about more than you can imagine when it comes to school children and any 'innocent' adult dying violently at the hands of troubled and not so troubled mass murderers.
No, I don't live in your shoot first ask questions later reality. He could have been subdued non fatally since he had not shot anyone. And IF he is black, that shoot first criteria is not questioned. I complain and will continue to complain when ANY police officer, of any sex, race or creed kills unarmed and sometimes troubled individuals as first resort. Your rational is yours and does not belong in my 'response' scenario. Have a good one.
ALWAYS too many justifying murder of unarmed and troubled POC, always.
By the way I did have to make 'split seconds' decisions while having a weapon by my side 24/7.
Can't tell me I'm off base.
christx30
(6,241 posts)He could have decided to do something else that day other than running around assaulting people and shoving something that looked like a gun into people's faces.
Here's a screenshot:
https://imgur.com/a/IDTTM
From 30 feet away, that looks like a real gun. Should a cop wait until someone fires his weapon before defending himself? When someone fires a weapon, that generally results in someone's death. So the best way of stopping a bad guy is to shoot him before he shoots someone. Waiting for the crazy guy to kill people before doing something about it is how we ended up with Parkland and Nicolas Cruz.
Being crazy only protects you from legal consequences of a crime, not the real world consequences.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)like there are some serious mental challenges this individual is facing and this is one questionable summary execution with an understanding, by me, of this individual and how HIS intimidating innocent people could be seen as dangerous. I can see how it gives those, who are ALWAYS putting AA in the "well he does have a criminal record" crowd, even if it was a one joint offense, the out they need to gleefully watch and stridently justify a modern execution/lynching of an AA male, female and CHILD. Who EVERYONE defending the state authorized executioner knows is a clear and present danger to society, white society especially. And excuse such with the above rational always given here. NOT SAYING YOU DO THIS, but many here do. 99.9999 shootings of unarmed AA's I have witnessed in the last ten years including the murders/executions of AA men, women and children, that made it to public exposure, have been racist in intent and lethal action. And I do not care if anyone disagrees with me. Have a good one.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Calling the cops is snitching. Change your kidss diaper and get them and yourself some PTSD therapy I guess.
no_hypocrisy
(46,193 posts)Different part of Brooklyn. Police shot him dead when he charged with a hammer. Big protests and local radio discussed for nearly a month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gidone_Busch
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/shoot-cops-hammer-wielding-man-left-no-option-article-1.844165
Nitram
(22,890 posts)with a knife, baseball bat, or a hammer. Such techniques are particularly effective against someone who is not a trained fighter and is charging towards you. They shouldn't have to use a gun unless the attacker has a gun. My wife is a tai chi master and knows exactly how to do that against a much larger opponent.
EX500rider
(10,868 posts)If the Cop and the attacker have the same amount of training and the attacker has a hammer or knife the cop can end up dead which they prefer not to be.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)involve mentally ill or drug addled people wildly charging. Those are the easiest people to defend against. Aren't cops supposed to be brave well-trained professionals putting their lives on the line? If so, they shouldn't be shooting people with hammers or knives. They should do their best to defend themselves. Don't they travel in pairs? Can't two police officers handle one person with their batons? I'm tired of our so-called "heroes" shooting unarmed and lightly armed mentally people just because the regulations say if they are attacked they can shoot to kill. The Japanese police don't even carry guns, and they are trained to handle people like this first by talking and then using self-defense techniques.
EX500rider
(10,868 posts)Those can be the most dangerous, someone high on PCP can do some crazy stuff, the TV show cops had 4 cops and a police dog who couldn't subdue a PCP high suspect, he didn't even notice their baton blows or the dog swinging from his arm.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)I'm talking about martial arts training, which I have been doing for over 20 years. The harder someone comes at you, the easier it is to sidestep, re-direct their momentum, and secure them in a hold that will result in great pain and broken bones if the they fight against it. some examples:
Mortos
(2,390 posts)This was a person who was terrorizing people in the street and pointing, what looks like, a gun directly at people with children, and jamming it under people's chins. This guy led to his own death. Not every officer involved shooting is an example of a bad shoot. This one certainly appears to be justified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=WAMPexQ7iVw
Walked up to random pedestrian and pointed it at his face.
Another pedestrian with a kid.
How would you feel if a stranger walked up and did this?
This is the stance he took as officers approached him, he ran up to them and took a shooting stance pointing a silver barreled object that dozens of people had reported was a gun.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Fuck this guy. I shed zero tears. I'm sure he thought he was hilarious.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)whether you are able to shed any tears for anything....yet I say the same, as you, about all who have no compassion like the people running this seriously fucked up nation. Right on in cleaning up the street for decent ........
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Decent = the squares right? No matter what color....they should keep their mouths shut, right?
christx30
(6,241 posts)someone like this running around? What happens when he decides that a fake gun isnt funny any more, and he needs a real gun?
There was a guy that was arrested this week in Austin (where I live) for masturbating in front of a 9-year-old girl at the local hospitals ER. Her father saw him doing it and confronted him. He replied with, why you up in my business? He didnt see anything wrong with what he was doing. Dad called the police, and they used hospital surveillance to back dads story. He resisted arrest. Pulled out his genitalia multiple times
There is help for people like that. But they have to want help. And they have to allow themselves to be arrested for the crimes they commit. They have to stop being a threat to other people before they get help.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I would not be okay with this if I had to experience it. He needs help. All the holier than thous here have cast the first stone and the one I responded to first in this thread will lead the way in continuing to stone, I am sure. Maybe they have had bad experiences with AA. But the MO remains the same. One obviously troubled individual can be pointed to as an example of why AA males are a threat and deserve the treatment received at the hands of civil society's executioners in blue.
And I know there are just as many white persons walking around mumbling to themselves cause they are off their meds and they are not summarily killed as regularly and with such malice and racist animus. They do not get shot down like rabid dogs even when walking naked in the streets. What a crock. There are two levels of treatment that has ALWAYS been true for white and brown american citizens.
Since privilege and entitlement must be maintained at all cost, the hypocrisy is understood for what it is in some of the justifications and rationals I have read here for murdering this individual. Typical when it comes to situations like this. Always has been. Life in ameriKKKa has always been mean, vicious and threatening to the AA, even if rich. As the 60 minutes piece on white racist lynching mentality more than abundantly made clear. The lowliest white person has to feel superior to someone, so racism is encouraged by likes of a racist potus such as we have now to keep the anger and viciousness going. Thusly 66 million + voted for the chump. This has never been a civil society, just or fair. Just genocidally vicious to all not white and Wild West and Al Capone mean. Our culture is just that, mean. The chickens have came home to roost.
christx30
(6,241 posts)This wasnt a guy mumbling to himself. This was a guy pretending to point a gun in peoples faces. He was committing assault against them by putting his hands on them. Of course theyd be terrified. Theyd be scared if it were a white guy, a Hispanic, or any other race on the planet. Of course theyd call the police. And when the cops arrive, if he adopted the stance even close to the one in the screen grab, theyd shoot him dead rather than risk getting shot. Unless he dropped what he was holding, and complied with everything they told him to do, theyd shoot. And Id want them to shoot. Unless you know for 100% that he isnt armed (which from that picture, no one could reasonably claim, unless they were holding the object he had) then the math says the police have to shoot. I want them to shoot him, rather than risk him shooting an innocent person. They can subdue him if they have the cooperation of the suspect. But no one should be expected to risk their own life or the life of an innocent to protect the life of a criminal.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)it must be the truth.....
christx30
(6,241 posts)If youre 30 feet away, do you see a pipe? Or do you see a gun? Pretend youre walking down the sidewalk with your kid. Someone grabs your neck and shoves that in your face. Do you say, this guy is holding a pipe in my face. Weird. Or do you say, is this how I die? Killed for no reason by some stranger on the street?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)lethal action is the last resort, except in war. I have looked at the picture. When it comes to racism in ameriKKKa, in my book, especially in this trump era of extreme racism of a very 50ish extreme animus kind of racial hate of brown skinned people, EVERY shooting of an unarmed and probably troubled AA is suspicious. And that's always questioned as to motive for killing by me. Hell he didn't shoot anyone, yet the minute one of the mass shooters stop shooting, whether in a school or anywhere else, he/she was "troubled". Not a hateful POS with hate in their heart for everyone. You need your rational(s). I don't. I have historical truth as to the american hypocrisy as my witness. Those assholes, whether a church shooting, school shooting(s) running over someone with a car with malice as motivator during a white supremacist RIOT, shooting people from a high rise building, they need to be shot down immediately upon engagement by 'protect and serve' gun toting, badge wearing authorities, as many, many unarmed AA are. But the privileged and entitled of this society would raise holy hell.
All I have to do in cases like this is go to 'social media' to read what a lot of white people really feel in shootings of unarmed AA. This was suicide by cop, pure and simple. He had not shot anyone.....
brush
(53,871 posts)that they were dealing with a deranged personespecially since there were no shots and no one actually hurt.
Where does their training take effect on how to evaluate the situation and deescalate or take down a mentally impaired person? It would be come apparent pretty quickly that the guy was crazy if the cops had taken the time to do that.
Shooting to kill should not always be the first response. But hey, just another black guy.
Makes you wonder if they would've shot down a white guy so quickly since we see them getting disarmed all the time, even taken to McDonalds after killing a church full of people?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)defending the boys and girls in blue here, it is your right to try an skew reality in your favor, as has always been. I know another truer reality, a 12 year old playing with a toy gun shot inside of 3 seconds upon arrival of police as just one case that I assume and know in my heart is murder. Have at it in your reality, won't ever affect the fact that murder by police is obvious in so many of these type executions. Please keep giving aid and comfort to each other. It will NEVER change the fact that police are executing UNARMED AA men, women and children at an alarming rate. Why?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)He had a small pipe in his hands,
aiming it at passersby (including a mother and child),
stuck it at someone's head and another man's chest,
pretending to shoot them.
Then when the cops showed up, he took a "shooting stance" and aimed at the cops.
The man was probably mentally ill, but it sure looks on the video as if he had a gun.
Not all police shootings are bad ones.
madville
(7,412 posts)Can't fault the cops on this one after seeing the evidence in the posts above.
The headline should read that he was intentionally pretending to be armed with a firearm, there is almost no way for the cops to know if what he was pretending to be a gun is real or not in this instance.