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he really is something Skittles Apr 2018 #1
Big snore - Yet another attack on Bernie - Boring left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #2
"Another attack on Bernie"? Looks like another attack BY Bernie on the Democratic Party George II Apr 2018 #6
Yet another smug slam against Obama and the Democrats from Bernie. n/t pnwmom Apr 2018 #9
and he is wrong about the loss of all those dem seats? dembotoz Apr 2018 #20
Bernie Virtually Wrote the 2016 Dem Platform! TomCADem Apr 2018 #22
Can we seriously argue with the numbers. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #3
yes Locrian Apr 2018 #7
Anyone ever think that his constant bashing of the Democratic Party might have contributed.... George II Apr 2018 #15
Yes! Lonestarblue Apr 2018 #23
So why wasn't he pointing this out in 2012? It's not that the Dems haven't lost seats. We have. LisaM Apr 2018 #17
He did say Obama should be Primaried JI7 Apr 2018 #26
Ignore Fox, Sinclair and Billions in RW Corp Media... TomCADem Apr 2018 #10
This is not thoughtful review it is it is a standard Bernie talking point. wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #13
I think the attacking comes more from him toward the Democratic Party than the other way around. George II Apr 2018 #18
Who is HE to be criticizing the Democratic Party? George II Apr 2018 #4
Who is he? Plucketeer Apr 2018 #29
Isnt he just telling it like it is? n/t secondwind Apr 2018 #5
Seems like he is admitting that he is a failure... TomCADem Apr 2018 #12
I am so tiredof hearing this from a man who has very little to show for his time in Congress. wasupaloopa Apr 2018 #8
So Sanders used an event marking the 50th anniversary of MLK's assassination DesertRat Apr 2018 #11
Yup, He Did Effectively Say That Obama... TomCADem Apr 2018 #14
We need unity and all Sanders does is incite division. DesertRat Apr 2018 #16
I know who is lacking substance Skittles Apr 2018 #19
Blah blah blah blah blah Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #21
Personality Politics Roy Rolling Apr 2018 #24
Interesting. About half the people on this thread are looking at this as PatrickforO Apr 2018 #25
What,a ridiculous,statement GaryCnf Apr 2018 #27
Hard to argue with that shanny Apr 2018 #28
Christ almighty (in the cursing sense), I'm TIRED. slumcamper Apr 2018 #30
 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
20. and he is wrong about the loss of all those dem seats?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:16 PM
Apr 2018

my state has turned pretty damn red...guess that must be bernies fault too

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
3. Can we seriously argue with the numbers.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 07:59 PM
Apr 2018

Republicans also have 33 out of 50 governor's mansions.

It's pretty frightening. Yes. Hillary won 3 million more votes than Trump in the popular count, but overall, we Democrats are not doing well.

And just attacking those who advocate for thoughtful review of our Party and constructive change will not get us anywhere.

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Anyone ever think that his constant bashing of the Democratic Party might have contributed....
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:14 PM
Apr 2018

....to the loss of votes for Democratic candidates?

Lonestarblue

(13,560 posts)
23. Yes!
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:21 PM
Apr 2018

And he only registers as a Democrat so he can run for president. Otherwise, he bashes the Democratic Party and does nothing to help anyone but himself.

LisaM

(29,685 posts)
17. So why wasn't he pointing this out in 2012? It's not that the Dems haven't lost seats. We have.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:15 PM
Apr 2018

And there are a variety of factors involved, including the consolidation of media and vote suppression tactics that we should have been concerned about for a long time, not to mention Citizens United, which, if the so-called left hadn't demonized Al Gore so much in 2000, would never have become law because we would have had better justices.

No one is arguing those numbers. But right now, as Democrats actually have real momentum and are picking up seats, is not the time to start with the divide-and-conquer tactics.

The third-party candidates who are ostensibly from the left need to focus their attacks on conservatives. It made no sense that Jill Stein ran against Hillary, not Trump, nor that Nader ran against Gore, not Bush. We don't have a parliamentary system here where you can have parties form coalitions and alliances.

JI7

(93,900 posts)
26. He did say Obama should be Primaried
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:23 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe he thought someone just than Obama could do better

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
10. Ignore Fox, Sinclair and Billions in RW Corp Media...
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:06 PM
Apr 2018

... that have made an industry of stoking white resentment.

Instead, as Bernie does, blow the dog whistles.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
13. This is not thoughtful review it is it is a standard Bernie talking point.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:11 PM
Apr 2018

I've heard him say it for years and years on Brunch With Bernie.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. I think the attacking comes more from him toward the Democratic Party than the other way around.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:15 PM
Apr 2018

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Who is HE to be criticizing the Democratic Party?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:01 PM
Apr 2018

But, as for your footnote, he's one of only TWO Senators who voted against Russia sanctions (98-2 vote) Why is he siding with Putin?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
29. Who is he?
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:27 PM
Apr 2018

Maybe you were on hiatus to Mars at the time, but he's the primary hopeful who drew ENORMOUS crowds of folks yearning for REAL change - not nicey-cutesy changes, but FUNDamental changes to governing that would impact EVERY strata of American humanity. The one that didn't take a dime of corporate moolah while others in the race were charging thousands of dollars for a plate of catered chicken and trimmings. The people who coughed up those tabs weren't looking for anything in return - they usually paid thousands of dollars for their daily fare, even without a celebrity guest at the table! But of course - as we know now - Bernie "lost" due to his unpalatable message. Just WHO his message was unpalatable to, I ain't sayin'. It's against clubhouse rules, you see.

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
12. Seems like he is admitting that he is a failure...
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:09 PM
Apr 2018

...given that the party largely adopted his purported platform in 2016.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
8. I am so tiredof hearing this from a man who has very little to show for his time in Congress.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:04 PM
Apr 2018

He puts forward many bills that never see the light of day. If you want to be effective you have to work with the way things are while you work for change.

Sitting on the side throwing arrows at Dems gets us nowhere.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
11. So Sanders used an event marking the 50th anniversary of MLK's assassination
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:07 PM
Apr 2018

to say that President Obama’s charisma obscured Democratic failures??

Sanders needs to stop referring to President Obama. He isn't in the same league as President Obama OR Dr. King.

TomCADem

(17,837 posts)
14. Yup, He Did Effectively Say That Obama...
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:11 PM
Apr 2018

...is articulate for a black guy on MLK’s Birthday and that he lacked substance.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
16. We need unity and all Sanders does is incite division.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:14 PM
Apr 2018

Democrats need to unite and take back the House and Senate! Our country and democracy depends upon it.

Roy Rolling

(7,712 posts)
24. Personality Politics
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:22 PM
Apr 2018

Sanders has a point, maybe somebody should address that instead of ad hominem attacks. Stop looking to avoid blame and start looking for solutions. Saying an extraordinary man like president Obama overshadowed weakness elsewhere is not a slam on Obama.

I don't know if there's a "Bernie's angle", but there's certainly an anti-Bernie crusade being waged by some. And "dog whistles"? That's a bit judgmental.

Save the venom for Republicans, they are the ones who have vowed to destroy Democrats.

PatrickforO

(15,523 posts)
25. Interesting. About half the people on this thread are looking at this as
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:23 PM
Apr 2018

Bernie ATTACKING the Democratic party.

I'm sorry, but I don't see it as that at all.

Bernie is pointing out that we have to learn to talk about kitchen table issues in a much more compelling way if we want to win elections.

There HAS been something wrong with our message. I mean, in 2012, one of my state's US Senators, a Democratic incumbent, was defeated by a right wing-nut when he should have won handily. But he ran such a sorry campaign that it was like swishing warm water around in your mouth - he lost because NOBODY really had any idea of what he stood for.

Before getting up in arms about someone who says something that makes us feel a bit uncomfortable, let us ask the right question first: Is what he says true? Is it partly true?

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
27. What,a ridiculous,statement
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:24 PM
Apr 2018

It's not the platform, which we ignore, it's the policies of an entrenched establishment AND it hasn't been 15 years, it's been TWENTY SIX years.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
28. Hard to argue with that
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:25 PM
Apr 2018

given all the lost House, Senate, governorships, state leg seats...and now the presidency, however fluke-ish that was.

Despite our well-earned affection for Obama and hatred for Trump, the Democratic Party in General is not beloved. We can do better.

slumcamper

(1,787 posts)
30. Christ almighty (in the cursing sense), I'm TIRED.
Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:27 PM
Apr 2018

This fatigue is wearing me thin.

That said, I DO think the D party needs to adopt a more fundamentally populist stance. It doesn't take a PhD for any person to understand that a living wage, universal healthcare, and affordable and accessible higher education is in their personal best interest.

Too bold? Not any bolder than the other side's assault on LGBTQ rights, voting rights, choice, etc., etc. Really? What the hell. The weak, non-commital, milquetoast stance of the party is killing us.

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