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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:25 AM Apr 2018

Florida school shooter wants to donate inheritance to survivors

Source: Agence France-Presse



12 APR 2018

Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz wants to donate his inheritance -- which could run to hundreds of thousands of dollars or more -- to the bereaved families and survivors of his attack, his lawyers said Wednesday.

Cruz walked into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in the south Florida city of Parkland on February 14 and opened fire at students and staff with an AR-15-style semi-automatic weapon.

He stands accused of 17 counts of premeditated murder and 17 counts of attempted murder. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

At a court hearing on Wednesday, Broward County Judge Elizabeth Scherer sought to determine whether Cruz -- who has so far been represented by public defenders -- is able to pay for his own defense.


Read more: https://www.afp.com/en/news/23/florida-school-shooter-wants-donate-inheritance-survivors-doc-13x9xe5

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Florida school shooter wants to donate inheritance to survivors (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2018 OP
Trying to avoid the death penalty? Does Florida have a death penalty? knightmaar Apr 2018 #1
Nice stagey move though by the public defenders. Smart. irisblue Apr 2018 #2
And creates potential appeal issue because he can claim they weren't as good as he could have had. moriah Apr 2018 #4
indeed. irisblue Apr 2018 #7
It's their job. moriah Apr 2018 #9
You know, neither one of us would ever make it onto a jury nt irisblue Apr 2018 #11
I would tell him to... 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #3
Kind of pointless exboyfil Apr 2018 #5
One of his lawyers offered a guilty plea for life in prison csziggy Apr 2018 #8
I agree with you exboyfil Apr 2018 #10
Blood money. procon Apr 2018 #6

knightmaar

(748 posts)
1. Trying to avoid the death penalty? Does Florida have a death penalty?
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:32 AM
Apr 2018

"Hey, you guys can have all my money ... unless, for some reason, I have to spend it all defending myself in a long, expensive capital trial."

irisblue

(33,019 posts)
2. Nice stagey move though by the public defenders. Smart.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:33 AM
Apr 2018

But no, pay for your own lawyers murderer. The PDs know $800K will be gone by attorneys in months.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
4. And creates potential appeal issue because he can claim they weren't as good as he could have had.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 09:58 AM
Apr 2018

The judge will say that both the burden on the public defender's office when someone has means for paying a dedicated attorney takes from justice for others who can't afford an attorney, and that it could create an "ineffective counsel" issue on appeal which can be prevented now by expediting the release of the inheritance to cover legal fees.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
9. It's their job.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:49 AM
Apr 2018

And given that the death penalty is at play here...

I am not a proponent of the death penalty, primarily because the "death qualification" portion of voir dire stacks a jury with people statistically more likely to convict than the average.

I doubt I'd get seated if I stated my exact views in voir dire: "It would require me to be more certain of guilt than merely the standard for conviction, and it would still be very difficult. But I also think you having to ask me that contributes to disproportionate convictions in death penalty cases, which is why I have doubts about its use. It's possible you could present me a case and defendant where I could vote for it. But I would have to be in the jury and see the evidence and be in the room to know for sure. And the fact I may not even get that opportunity because I admit reservations since it's not something a person can take back is part of why I have reservations."

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
5. Kind of pointless
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:02 AM
Apr 2018

so unless the assets are judgement proof (like OJ's house and pension), he would have been wiped out by the wrongful death suits (not to mention any victim's compensation laws).

The fact is, if he wants the money to actually go to the families, he needs to plead guilty and allow the judge to determine sentencing. The court may not even allow him to do that.

Also who pays for his upkeep for the next 60 years? That's right the taxpayers. Maybe he can get a prison job to at least defer some of that cost.

The Public Defender's office should definitely charge him back their time on his case.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
8. One of his lawyers offered a guilty plea for life in prison
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:37 AM
Apr 2018

The state has decided to go for the death penalty which means much more in costs to the state and to the defendant.

I know people are angry at him, but the death penalty still means decades in prison with hundreds of thousands of dollars over those decades for appeals and hearings before he might be put to death.

As a Florida taxpayer I think as soon as the offer of a guilty plea was made, the state attorney's office should have accepted it. Get the entire process done immediately, lock him up, and forget his existence.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
10. I agree with you
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:51 AM
Apr 2018

We don't have the death penalty in Iowa (in spite of the GOP), and I am sure that it saves us money in the long run.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Blood money.
Thu Apr 12, 2018, 10:30 AM
Apr 2018

Its likely the state has already seized his assets. Since he's not poor and won't qualify for a public defender, any money he has will be used to offset his legal fees.

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