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Jose Garcia

(2,695 posts)
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:15 PM May 2018

Four Women Accuse New York's Attorney General of Physical Abuse

Source: The New Yorker

Eric chneiderman, New York’s attorney general, has long been a liberal Democratic champion of women’s rights, and recently he has become an outspoken figure in the #MeToo movement against sexual harassment. As New York State’s highest-ranking law-enforcement officer, Schneiderman, who is sixty-three, has used his authority to take legal action against the disgraced film mogul Harvey Weinstein, and to demand greater compensation for the victims of Weinstein’s alleged sexual crimes. Last month, when the Times and this magazine were awarded a joint Pulitzer Prize for coverage of sexual harassment, Schneiderman issued a congratulatory tweet, praising “the brave women and men who spoke up about the sexual harassment they had endured at the hands of powerful men.” Without these women, he noted, “there would not be the critical national reckoning under way.”

Schneiderman is facing a reckoning of his own. As his prominence as a voice against sexual misconduct has risen, so, too, has the distress of four women with whom he has had romantic relationships or encounters. They accuse Schneiderman of having subjected them to nonconsensual physical violence. All have been reluctant to speak out, fearing reprisal. But two of the women, Michelle Manning Barish and Tanya Selvaratnam, have talked to The New Yorker on the record, because they feel that doing so could protect other women. They allege that he repeatedly hit them, often after drinking, frequently in bed and never with their consent. Manning Barish and Selvaratnam categorize the abuse he inflicted on them as “assault.” They did not report their allegations to the police at the time, but both say that they eventually sought medical attention after having been slapped hard across the ear and face, and also choked. Selvaratnam says that Schneiderman warned her he could have her followed and her phones tapped, and both say that he threatened to kill them if they broke up with him. (Schneiderman’s spokesperson said that he “never made any of these threats.”)

A third former romantic partner of Schneiderman’s told Manning Barish and Selvaratnam that he also repeatedly subjected her to nonconsensual physical violence, but she told them that she is too frightened of him to come forward. (The New Yorker has independently vetted the accounts that they gave of her allegations.) A fourth woman, an attorney who has held prominent positions in the New York legal community, says that Schneiderman made an advance toward her; when she rebuffed him, he slapped her across the face with such force that it left a mark that lingered the next day. She recalls screaming in surprise and pain, and beginning to cry, and says that she felt frightened. She has asked to remain unidentified, but shared a photograph of the injury with The New Yorker.

In a statement, Schneiderman said, “In the privacy of intimate relationships, I have engaged in role-playing and other consensual sexual activity. I have not assaulted anyone. I have never engaged in nonconsensual sex, which is a line I would not cross.”



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Four Women Accuse New York's Attorney General of Physical Abuse (Original Post) Jose Garcia May 2018 OP
Ratfucking, plain and simple. Schneiderman is getting closer and closer to trump, so.... George II May 2018 #1
And there is a story about trump sending people out to dig up dirt on his enemies Fullduplexxx May 2018 #3
My immediate thought... Beware folks... Schneiderman is the Mueller invesigation's safety net hlthe2b May 2018 #4
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss their allegations. LudwigPastorius May 2018 #8
No one is saying dismiss; just be appropriately discerning and wary. hlthe2b May 2018 #10
exactly the first thought that crossed my mind onetexan May 2018 #12
And mine. My husband said the same thing - something about a fishy smell... calimary May 2018 #124
Well, the poster I was replying to said, "ratfucking, plain and simple". LudwigPastorius May 2018 #144
I doubt they would feel that way now, given the resignation... hlthe2b May 2018 #146
Thats what I noticed.. I thought something has to be up with these accusations but they seem legit. lancelyons May 2018 #76
Not me. Jazzgirl May 2018 #78
Sounds bad for the AG and if true he should leave and suffer whatever the consequences may be. But kacekwl May 2018 #127
Worse info on Trump, already is out laserhaas May 2018 #179
Absolutely. Glorfindel May 2018 #9
Maybe not, maybe the misogyny is so entrenched that people feel that "role playing" Tumbulu May 2018 #14
Easy,If you are going to build a political resistance against Misogny,you can't have ANY skeletons blkyank1 May 2018 #50
Some woman like to play rough blkyank1 May 2018 #71
Did you even read the article, Tumbulu May 2018 #90
He wasn't married at the time. Your "theory" is completely made up. yardwork May 2018 #157
Huh? SergeStorms May 2018 #97
Look them up - there is a search feature Tumbulu May 2018 #106
No, sorry. SergeStorms May 2018 #111
That's what I thought. SergeStorms May 2018 #155
Linking to them gets your fucking post hidden. MrsCoffee May 2018 #180
So basically.... SergeStorms May 2018 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee May 2018 #185
We have to wonder if he's being "Al Frankened" or "Joy Reided". brush May 2018 #43
This response is sickening oberliner May 2018 #59
In what way? George II May 2018 #72
Callously dismissive of women who are courageously speaking out about abuse oberliner May 2018 #75
"Callously"? George II May 2018 #103
yes, callously. Tumbulu May 2018 #107
Alleged abuse. SergeStorms May 2018 #125
Amazing, isn't it? Jedi Guy May 2018 #126
I recognized that Delphinus May 2018 #166
It's an easy trap to fall into, unfortunately. Jedi Guy May 2018 #172
Bingo!!! SummerSnow May 2018 #79
How is Schneiderman "getting closer and closer to Trump" - any indictments like Mueller? PoliticAverse May 2018 #95
In the world of Louise Mensch tweets jberryhill May 2018 #154
There were no accusation ratfucking or any other beastiality Jose Garcia May 2018 #159
After Franken, I'm suspicious about everything! Lonestarblue May 2018 #2
K & R pazzyanne May 2018 #28
Yeah. It's a little late. And they were mistresses... Honeycombe8 May 2018 #35
We're know Franken accusations were bs based on evidence JI7 May 2018 #45
Any other prominent Dem working ot rid us of trump better be ready... brush May 2018 #53
You shouldn't be oberliner May 2018 #60
Roger Stone still walks the streets... IthinkThereforeIAM May 2018 #135
Did you read the whole New Yorker article? apnu May 2018 #167
Dammit. EOM elfin May 2018 #5
Yep. My reaction is "Shit. EOM" Mrs. Overall May 2018 #73
There have been plenty of accurate stories about Trump in the New Yorker... brooklynite May 2018 #6
And Ronan Farrow is Co-author--he also helped break the Weinstein story. spooky3 May 2018 #20
The New Yorker just isn't wrong mountain grammy May 2018 #143
This is very disconcerting. ananda May 2018 #7
Completely different. And there was no investigation. spooky3 May 2018 #22
It makes me sick to see people excusing and disbelieving this. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #11
ANd it makes me sick to see someone make a conclusion before the facts are even out. hlthe2b May 2018 #17
I find it more likely that a man behaved badly than four women were willing to put their names WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #30
Waiting for all the facts to come out hardly seems inappropriate. hlthe2b May 2018 #36
did you even read the article? Tumbulu May 2018 #94
this thread for me and likely others is the first word on this breaking story and no hlthe2b May 2018 #96
well then why are you commenting on it. Tumbulu May 2018 #112
YOU have no right to tell me or anyone else which threads and when we can post to. hlthe2b May 2018 #117
hmmm, let's see, you defend the guy, claim it is a hit job Tumbulu May 2018 #120
I did not... i said be wary and discerning. I said allow the facts to come through. hlthe2b May 2018 #122
Well, I just read it on my phone and I believe the women. yardwork May 2018 #136
I suspect i will too. I think it is not inappropriate to allow DUers to have a chance to get home hlthe2b May 2018 #139
No one is "excusing" this kind of behavior. Ilsa May 2018 #21
If this was a Republican you would not be making this same argument Pale Blue Dot May 2018 #26
If anything the GOP blkyank1 May 2018 #82
Welcome to DU, bklyank1. calimary May 2018 #129
"They" didn't kill Schneiderman. Jedi Guy May 2018 #163
Yeah, and that's a good point, too, my friend. calimary May 2018 #164
Welcome to DU circa 2018.... vi5 May 2018 #41
Amen and likewise oberliner May 2018 #61
100% agree. Jedi Guy May 2018 #128
There are 2 "Chief Deputy" attorneys general. pnwmom May 2018 #13
Both have impressive educational backgrounds NewJeffCT May 2018 #31
+1 fleabiscuit May 2018 #86
Oh, great... Ligyron May 2018 #15
Alvin Bragg: Leghorn21 May 2018 #25
Very good. Ligyron May 2018 #91
Interesting Timing for These Allegations dlk May 2018 #16
Sex allegations wait until time is ripe quartz007 May 2018 #44
How long before "accusations" arise against Cuomo, who has the power Dawson Leery May 2018 #18
Welp, there goes our State charges back-up plan against Trump. OliverQ May 2018 #19
Because ONLY Schneiderman can file charges? brooklynite May 2018 #29
Why? Schneiderman is not irreplaceable onenote May 2018 #160
Welp there goes the entire case against Trump Dopers_Greed May 2018 #23
"No doubt he's being Franken'ed." LenaBaby61 May 2018 #56
this recent explosion of sexual harrasment smells . AllaN01Bear May 2018 #24
No, it doesn't oberliner May 2018 #62
Smells like cracks in the wall of silence. n/t PoliticAverse May 2018 #63
An attack against the AG... beachbum bob May 2018 #27
The legal work and case survive any one lawyer. madaboutharry May 2018 #32
Yep. The case work will continue. Glimmer of Hope May 2018 #54
Crap. deurbano May 2018 #33
To those alleging this is a hit job, Schneiderman confirms the physical aspect of the charges... brooklynite May 2018 #34
Anyone who gets off on madville May 2018 #42
THAT I'll disagree with. brooklynite May 2018 #48
Agreed dhol82 May 2018 #67
I stand by my statement madville May 2018 #69
...and I stand by mine. brooklynite May 2018 #119
So it's ok to enjoy hitting and verbally abusing women as long as madville May 2018 #123
Guess what? BuddhaGirl May 2018 #170
For over the last year I've been hearing that madville May 2018 #177
I tend to agree. ananda May 2018 #110
The women sound credible fountainofyouth May 2018 #37
Let him have his day in court RogerM May 2018 #39
You've decided this is a "slime effort". brooklynite May 2018 #49
He's who Mueller will hand the investigation to if he's fired. helmedon1974 May 2018 #130
Now explain how the facts of the case fit into your "sliming". brooklynite May 2018 #149
Granted, this is fresh news fountainofyouth May 2018 #51
If he knows he's guilty he should just resign. Why put the state and the country pnwmom May 2018 #66
These are prominent progressive women making the accusations madville May 2018 #38
Prominent? Never heard of them. helmedon1974 May 2018 #131
There are many prominent people I've never heard of as well. LanternWaste May 2018 #174
Shades of Eliot Spitzer! How convenient for Trump rurallib May 2018 #40
May not be true, but seriousness of charge quartz007 May 2018 #47
yes - didn't say it didn't rurallib May 2018 #55
Anyone who survives 4 bankruptcies, multiple divorces quartz007 May 2018 #68
He's certainly beyond the standard deviation. n/t PoliticAverse May 2018 #98
I don't care. I'm a NY voter and I. Don't. Care. Deb May 2018 #46
There needs to be a real investigation. Dawson Leery May 2018 #52
This response is disturbing oberliner May 2018 #64
I don't care. Deb May 2018 #83
Yeah who cares about a bunch of broads getting slapped around? flibbitygiblets May 2018 #114
What the fuck is this shit here. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #88
Please read the story fountainofyouth May 2018 #102
Yeah... Jedi Guy May 2018 #132
That is fucked up. n/t demmiblue May 2018 #169
Of course they do. He's the one that will bring RICCO charges helmedon1974 May 2018 #57
Others who become nyag can do it also. JI7 May 2018 #65
What specifically leads you to believe no other can do the same? LanternWaste May 2018 #175
Absolutely awful oberliner May 2018 #58
Oh, get a grip. dhol82 May 2018 #70
These women have been they had been choked and hit repeatedly by this man oberliner May 2018 #74
I doubt many defending this have actually read the entire article and his statements madville May 2018 #77
How about we wait to see evidence dhol82 May 2018 #84
It's breaking now that the NY Governor is calling for him to resign madville May 2018 #85
Sounds like a Franken op. dhol82 May 2018 #87
BREAKING: Governor Cuomo to call for Schneiderman's resignation (per MSNBC) brooklynite May 2018 #80
Not surprising, no love lost between those two.... PoliticAverse May 2018 #100
He will be gone by the end of the week. Cattledog May 2018 #81
Yeah, this isn't from some right-wing Twitter feed madville May 2018 #89
He has already resigned. nt tblue37 May 2018 #153
I wonder if I need to start an online worry-stone store for DU'ers? nt fleabiscuit May 2018 #92
Roger Stone and those Israeli mud diggers at work kimbutgar May 2018 #93
Actually Schneiderman was considering challenging Cuomo, the two have been repeatedly at odds... PoliticAverse May 2018 #101
Because you can't be the party that supports women if you gloss over Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #161
Actually that was my first reaction upon hearing the news kimbutgar May 2018 #165
Yuck. hay rick May 2018 #99
I presume that the Trump/Manafort investigations continue, with or without Schneiderman. LenaBaby61 May 2018 #105
Before posting to this thread, can you at least read the article? Glimmer of Hope May 2018 #104
yes, it is Tumbulu May 2018 #108
Unfortunately, this is a WEDGE issue, positions taken long ago. Hortensis May 2018 #109
balony Tumbulu May 2018 #116
I'm not defending or accusing ANYONE, Tumbulu, Hortensis May 2018 #147
You have to give people a chance to read it. For many here this thread was first word of issue. hlthe2b May 2018 #113
before commenting, you should read it Tumbulu May 2018 #118
BREAKING NEWS... just as I am sure YOU have posted first impressions many times hlthe2b May 2018 #121
Reading this headline really made my heart sink karin_sj May 2018 #115
Schneiderman announces his resignation... PoliticAverse May 2018 #133
BREAKING NEWS: He has resigned effective tomorrow FailureToCommunicate May 2018 #134
in case anybody thinks is just about kink DonCoquixote May 2018 #137
This has nothing to do with BDSM. He attacks people when he's drunk and angry. yardwork May 2018 #138
I am just saying DonCoquixote May 2018 #141
I understand. In his case, I think he literally believes that he can do anything he wants. yardwork May 2018 #142
And here I thought that S in BDSM stands for sadism. LisaL May 2018 #148
Bullshit!!!!! RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #140
I heard a funny comedian say mountain grammy May 2018 #145
One of the accusers was Schneiderman's 2-year girlfriend... brooklynite May 2018 #150
Who, according to her account in the New Yorker, DeminPennswoods May 2018 #151
And now we're attacking abused women. Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #162
Justice needs to be served for these women if true get the red out May 2018 #152
Sounds like the Republicans have been holding these charges in reserve for a while SkatmanRoth May 2018 #156
Nonsense. yardwork May 2018 #158
Right...because it's hard to describe being slapped and choked. brooklynite May 2018 #171
I read through the whole article. I recommend others do as well before reacting apnu May 2018 #168
Concur! Doesn't matter if the Repubs drove this outing laserhaas May 2018 #173
yeah, doesn't matter how this story came about. apnu May 2018 #176
One always has to worry, about who owns media laserhaas May 2018 #178
anyone who knows the work of Jane Mayer would not question the veracity of the article. ellenrr May 2018 #184
" Metro Cuomo appoints Nassau County DA to investigate Schneiderman" Izzy Blue May 2018 #181
If the allegations have even the slightest merit laserhaas May 2018 #183
Farrow on TV laserhaas May 2018 #186

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Ratfucking, plain and simple. Schneiderman is getting closer and closer to trump, so....
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:17 PM
May 2018

...."let's come up with a scandal and discredit him".

Fullduplexxx

(7,978 posts)
3. And there is a story about trump sending people out to dig up dirt on his enemies
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:20 PM
May 2018

And suddenly 4 women pop up out of nowhere

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
4. My immediate thought... Beware folks... Schneiderman is the Mueller invesigation's safety net
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:20 PM
May 2018

against abusive pardons. For this to be coming up now has a certain major RW STINK to it.

LudwigPastorius

(9,680 posts)
8. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss their allegations.
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:24 PM
May 2018

The two women who talked to the New Yorker don't exactly appear to be right-wing Trump lovers.

onetexan

(13,165 posts)
12. exactly the first thought that crossed my mind
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:30 PM
May 2018

this is a witch hunt by the GOP to discredit Schneider.

LudwigPastorius

(9,680 posts)
144. Well, the poster I was replying to said, "ratfucking, plain and simple".
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:21 PM
May 2018

So yeah, he, or she, certainly dismissed the women's story.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
146. I doubt they would feel that way now, given the resignation...
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:24 PM
May 2018

Sometimes these rapidly moving stories don't leave time for people to process.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
76. Thats what I noticed.. I thought something has to be up with these accusations but they seem legit.
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:24 PM
May 2018

These ladies seem legit and I have no reason to not believe them.

I agree the timing is suspect but im going to side with the women on this one.

kacekwl

(7,149 posts)
127. Sounds bad for the AG and if true he should leave and suffer whatever the consequences may be. But
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:42 PM
May 2018

what burns me is if this info came out on trump nothing would happen. NOTHING.

Tumbulu

(6,356 posts)
14. Maybe not, maybe the misogyny is so entrenched that people feel that "role playing"
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:33 PM
May 2018

includes slapping and choking. Or that sex entitles them to be rough.

I don't know, you read the ridiculous sexist defenders of violent porn on DU for the last decade.... you see how many of the men of this generation are still just utterly disgustingly messed up.

The New Yorker is not exactly a conservative rag....

The only comfort that I have is that he heads a team of prosecutors, and they will still keep the cases going.

But it is worrisome, nonetheless.

For the record, I felt strongly that Al Franken was outrageously wrongly accused- and cannot for the life of me understand why he resigned. Or why Democrats pushed for his resignation.

 

blkyank1

(45 posts)
50. Easy,If you are going to build a political resistance against Misogny,you can't have ANY skeletons
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

In your closet.Especially if you are a man. This is political Judo at its finest. Attack the strengths of your foes.

If the Democrats are the party of "Womens issues" they are especially vulnerable to any accusations they are
being hypocritical by not believing allegations of sexual abuse/assault made by women against Democratic
men.

Wonder how long before Gilibrand calls for Schneiderman to step down?

I don't think the real object is to get him to resign because another Democrat would be appointed to the position
of Attorney General and go after Trump with renewed vigor. They want to leave a lasting stink on the AG office
by having him ask for an investigation, that could very likely reveal some embarrassing kinky sexual activity on
Schneiderman's part and drag past whatever Mueller does so Schneiderman would look bad if he tried to pick up
the ball, if Mueller is fired or otherwise, is stonewalled.

If he hangs in there, Schneiderman is painted under the same brush as Trump, and the Democrats lose the moral high
ground in the press if it comes down to the AG office going after Trump on its own.

If Schneiderman is forced out, they win by turning the Democrats against each other with the base claiming the party
threw a Democrat under the bus before a complete investigation took place, because of GOP ratfuckery the same as
what happened to Al Franken.

 

blkyank1

(45 posts)
71. Some woman like to play rough
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:19 PM
May 2018

Many don't. The heart of this matter is was this all part of some "50 SHADES" fantasy role-playing these women
were down for or was it truly a case of a powerful man, intimidating or otherwise forcing women to do something
they otherwise would not do?


For all we know, these ladies may have just found out about each other and that could be a reason behind this coming
out at this time.

They wouldn't be the first women content to be the "other" women in a married man's life who gets pissed when she
finds out she is but one of several "other" women in a married man's life.

Tumbulu

(6,356 posts)
90. Did you even read the article,
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:43 PM
May 2018

that is pretty much debunked. I find your response typical of some hateful misogynist.

Please remove it.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
97. Huh?
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:49 PM
May 2018

"I don't know, you read the ridiculous sexist defenders of violent porn on DU for the last decade.... you see how many of the men of this generation are still just utterly disgustingly messed up".

Are you reading a different DU than myself? I hardly think DU is a hotbed of "sexist defenders of violent porn". Would you care to cite one instance of that? Please.

Sorry, but I take exception to that accusation. I believe many men are being accused of actions of which they're entirely innocent, just so men hating women can get a few free blows in themselves. Be very careful in throwing such broad accusations around, my Democratic friend. If the shoe was on the other foot I would have been deluged with insults and attacks by now.

Tumbulu

(6,356 posts)
106. Look them up - there is a search feature
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:59 PM
May 2018

you will see.

Your post is rather revealing.

Feel free to take any exception that you wish to.

It's very clear that DU has allowed horrendous misogynistic posts all the time that I have come here.

Outrageous, really.

It is hardly a left or right wing thing.

It is a screwed up thing, and these people tend to spend a lot of time on the computer. And defend their porn and their fantasies rigorously.

And look how many are defending him and accusing them of making it up, or enjoying it, or whatever.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
111. No, sorry.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:10 PM
May 2018

You're the person who made the statement. The burden of proof is upon you. I'm asking you to provide one post that backs up what you say about these men. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but I am defending many men on DU that are being accused of being heinous monsters who love violent porn. One instance, please. If I'm wrong about this I'll provide a mea maxima culpa. I'm not an enemy of women. You seem to be insinuating that I am when you say, "your post is rather revealing".

Please, point to just one post (of the many posted here on DU) that backs up your accusation.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
155. That's what I thought.
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:02 AM
May 2018
I don't know why you'd accuse DU men, some of women's most staunch supporters and defenders, of being such low-life bastards. I guess you have your reasons, but you'd rather not share those with us. Peace.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
180. Linking to them gets your fucking post hidden.
Tue May 8, 2018, 04:22 PM
May 2018

It's happened to me. Someone says prove and you do then your post gets hidden. It's a bullshit game.

I've seen exactly what that poster is talking about.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
182. So basically....
Wed May 9, 2018, 02:12 AM
May 2018

someone can make any ridiculous comment they wish, and when asked to provide proof of some character assassination piece they can just clam up and get away with it. Now that is a "bullshit game".

It seems to me there are some women on DU who have serious issues with all men, regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
That's their problem, and it is a problem. They should seek counseling.

Response to SergeStorms (Reply #182)

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
125. Alleged abuse.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:34 PM
May 2018

Here we are again. Have you found the post from among the many DU men that defends violent porn yet? I'm waiting.

Jedi Guy

(3,308 posts)
126. Amazing, isn't it?
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:38 PM
May 2018

If this fellow had an "R" after his name there would be zero questions about the veracity of these ladies' statements and the pitchforks and torches would be out. Any stated skepticism of their claims would be loudly and violently shouted down.

But since he has a "D" after his name, then it's an obvious "ratfucking" operation and these claims are instantly suspect. This from the same people who have been saying for months that all claims of sexual misconduct should be wholeheartedly accepted, and that to ask for any kind of proof is misogyny.

We can't have it both ways. Deciding which claims to accept and which to deny based on the political affiliation of the accused is hypocrisy, pure and simple.

Jedi Guy

(3,308 posts)
172. It's an easy trap to fall into, unfortunately.
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:13 PM
May 2018

We want to believe that since we're the "good guys" that anyone on our "team" is a good and virtuous person, particularly if they're a person of prominence.

The ugly truth is that people are fallible and their politics aren't necessarily indicative of their virtue.

Where the rubber meets the road is how we react. If we ignore, minimize, or defend those on our side when they're accused of these things, we're no better than the Republicans who hand-waved Trump's depravity away as "locker room talk."

I was really disheartened to see so many DUers defending Schneiderman or lamenting his loss as a weapon against Trump, with not a word of sympathy or empathy for the women he abused. We are not who we thought we were, and that's disappointing.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
95. How is Schneiderman "getting closer and closer to Trump" - any indictments like Mueller?
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:47 PM
May 2018

Any search warrants executed like Mueller?

Lonestarblue

(10,705 posts)
2. After Franken, I'm suspicious about everything!
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:20 PM
May 2018

I can’t help but wonder if this is an attempt to take out Schneiderman because Republicans know that he is effective and New York, as home to Trump Family Criminal Enterprises, has standing to indict actions that Mueller eventually hands off to them to try to prevent Trump from pardoning every criminal in his vicinity.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. Yeah. It's a little late. And they were mistresses...
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:53 PM
May 2018

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who only NOW are complaining he hit them.

This will probably have legs, in view of the Me Too movement. He made his bed when he chose to have mistresses (no pun intended).

Violence against women is even more pervasive than I thought. Once he hit them once, why did they see him again, if they did? Doesn't everyone know that such a thing ends any relationship? It's over. Finito.

JI7

(89,552 posts)
45. We're know Franken accusations were bs based on evidence
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:02 PM
May 2018

With Schneiderman so far it doesn't look good for him.

brush

(55,024 posts)
53. Any other prominent Dem working ot rid us of trump better be ready...
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:06 PM
May 2018

because they're coming for you.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,094 posts)
135. Roger Stone still walks the streets...
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:01 PM
May 2018

... so anything with the stench of ratfcking, especially on a national scale, brings him to mind.

apnu

(8,779 posts)
167. Did you read the whole New Yorker article?
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:54 PM
May 2018

At first I wanted to give Schinderman credit, but now that I've read these women's stories, I believe them. Schinderman is a monster. He's a drunk and mixing drugs to fuel his behavior. Why he's doing it, is anybody's guess, but all these women's stories are too similar but they don't share the same circles. This isn't a witch hunt.

 

brooklynite

(96,497 posts)
6. There have been plenty of accurate stories about Trump in the New Yorker...
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:22 PM
May 2018

...and the accusers aren't remaining anonymous.

spooky3

(34,880 posts)
20. And Ronan Farrow is Co-author--he also helped break the Weinstein story.
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:38 PM
May 2018

We have to be careful to listen to and investigate allegations.

ananda

(29,176 posts)
7. This is very disconcerting.
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:23 PM
May 2018

Mainly because these are women out in the open
and speaking out...

The Franken case was very much different.

Also, Schneiderman's "rebuttal" stinks.

I would very much like to be a rightwing hitjob
and false, but so far it doesn't seem that way.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
17. ANd it makes me sick to see someone make a conclusion before the facts are even out.
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:36 PM
May 2018

Geebus... This is literally a breaking story THIS HOUR... I haven't even gotten through the New Yorker Magazine article and doubt most have, yet you have already decided?

JHC!

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,810 posts)
30. I find it more likely that a man behaved badly than four women were willing to put their names
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:49 PM
May 2018

on false allegations.

Tumbulu

(6,356 posts)
94. did you even read the article?
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:45 PM
May 2018

pretty damning, and pretty typical of the disgusting stuff that is finally getting called out.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
96. this thread for me and likely others is the first word on this breaking story and no
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:48 PM
May 2018

I have no way to download a New Yorker story on the 4 inch iphone 5 I am currently using to post this so NO, I have not yet read. Nor, I suspect have many had the CHANCE TO DO SO.

Heavens folks, give people a CHANCE to explore breaking stories... Geebus.

Tumbulu

(6,356 posts)
112. well then why are you commenting on it.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:11 PM
May 2018

The article is very well researched and it is pretty clear that he has a long history of this behavior.

It is really awful.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
117. YOU have no right to tell me or anyone else which threads and when we can post to.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:13 PM
May 2018

DUers have EVERY right to post their impressions to breaking news. As I am sure you have done many many times.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
122. I did not... i said be wary and discerning. I said allow the facts to come through.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:17 PM
May 2018

You are waaaay off base.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
139. I suspect i will too. I think it is not inappropriate to allow DUers to have a chance to get home
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:11 PM
May 2018

and read the article, within a few hours of the breaking news story. I however, will NOT do in a car moving 75 mph--or I will throw up the entire 60 miles back from Denver. YMMV. If you think that makes me or any other DUer worthy of derision, well, that would come as a shock to me, having "known" you for years on DU, but...

This breaking story was essentially introduced and OVER in two hours or so. Of course it is going to catch DUers at various stages of the story unfolding and processing. Sorry, but it is NEVER inappropriate to state with ANY BREAKING NEWS story that one needs the facts before judging.

Ilsa

(61,788 posts)
21. No one is "excusing" this kind of behavior.
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:38 PM
May 2018

But some skepticism is wise under these circumstances. The GOP has tried to discredit Obama Adm persons who worked on the Iran deal. They know Schneiderman is the legal safety net to charge trump. They paid women to be silent. I wouldn't be at all surprised that they paid women to make false accusations.

Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
26. If this was a Republican you would not be making this same argument
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:45 PM
May 2018

The allegations are credible enough, and backed with enough contemporary evidence, that the New Yorker felt safe publishing them. The hypocracy has got to stop.

 

blkyank1

(45 posts)
82. If anything the GOP
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:35 PM
May 2018

Wants Schneiderman to survive this with his career on life support. These charges will follow him around and have pretty
much killed his chances of being NY Governor or a future US Senator if there is any truth to them, so the GOP would be
better off if he hangs in there.

They could bring this up again if he goes after Trump with state charges. That's what they do best, drag everybody
into the swamp. Nobody is clean, nobody has the moral high ground. It's just your team versus their team and you
hold your nose and vote for your guy because the other guy is just as bad in his personal life, but he's on the other
team and that should be the only thing that matters.

Even if it was all consensual sexual activity, Schneiderman has probably seen his future prospects at running for
higher office die this day.

calimary

(82,439 posts)
129. Welcome to DU, bklyank1.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:47 PM
May 2018

DAYUM what shitty news! As we were watching Rachel Maddow roll out the story on her show, my husband and I looked at each other and agreed - they've "killed" Schneiderman. He's smeared. And as such, he's probably out of the game now, or within the next 18-24 hours. Certainly by the end of the week, which is about how long it took to decapitate Al Franken. If indeed these charges are true. And assuming there wasn't some Michael Cohen money changing hands somewhere...

That doesn't mean the New York investigation is cut of at the knees, though, does it? Wouldn't Schneiderman's deputy or second-in-command step in and take over? Perhaps now we have to wait and see if the prosecutors in the DC/Virginia area suddenly face some old dirt, as well.

Knowing the scent of trump lingers here, I have to concede I am suspicious of this. I want to believe the women, but I'm still suspicious.

Jedi Guy

(3,308 posts)
163. "They" didn't kill Schneiderman.
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:46 AM
May 2018

He did himself in by thinking he was entitled to hit as demean women. His wounds are 100% self-inflicted.

calimary

(82,439 posts)
164. Yeah, and that's a good point, too, my friend.
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:18 AM
May 2018

I’ve heard the comment uttered that this was a “50 Shades...” thing. That it comes down to a yen for really kinky sex.

Even so, YUCK!!!! That isn’t what I can ever consider any kind of turn-on.

And you’re right. It’s on him. And I too find it mighty hard to sympathize when this type of wound is self-inflicted.

My first instinct on this episode was suspicion particularly because of A) the political aspect and the Mueller consideration and B) because of who the opposition is and their penchant for dirty tricks and dark arts - (anything that has even a whiff of Roger Stone in it is Suspect-As-All-Hell). But condoning the specific behavior as the details came out isn’t possible. Sadly, even when it means having to take a prime player out of the team.

Stephanie Ruehl on MSNBC just called it “hypocrisy after dark.”

Jedi Guy

(3,308 posts)
128. 100% agree.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:44 PM
May 2018

The hypocrisy on display in this thread turns my stomach. This guy is on our "team" so people defend him. If he were a Republican the reaction would be completely different.

NewJeffCT

(56,832 posts)
31. Both have impressive educational backgrounds
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:50 PM
May 2018

Unfortunately, it seems like being NY State Attorney General can lead to bad endings.

Leghorn21

(13,567 posts)
25. Alvin Bragg:
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:45 PM
May 2018

Alvin Bragg

Chief Deputy Attorney General

Chief Deputy Attorney General Alvin Bragg

Alvin L. Bragg, Jr. serves as Chief Deputy Attorney General. Mr. Bragg previously served as Executive Deputy Attorney General for Social Justice, and was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Criminal Division of the United States Attorney’s Office in New York’s Southern District, where he investigated and prosecuted misconduct by elected officials and law enforcement, money laundering of narcotics proceeds, bank fraud, witness tampering, and fraud relating to government contracts. Mr. Bragg also served as the Chief of Litigation and Investigations at the New York City Council and was in private practice at the firm now known as Morvillo Abramowitz Grand Iason & Anello P.C. Immediately after law school, he served as a law clerk for the Honorable Robert P. Patterson, Jr., U.S. District Judge, Southern District of New York. Mr. Bragg received his A.B. from Harvard University, cum laude, and his J.D. from Harvard Law School.


 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
44. Sex allegations wait until time is ripe
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:02 PM
May 2018

Now that NY-AG is actively involved with the tRump regime, time was ripe to bring allegations to surface.

tRump has been grabbing vagina's for decades. But time was not ripe until he moved into the White House.

May be the "me too" movement is finally giving abused women the courage to come out. Examples: Bill Cosby & Harvey Weinstein.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
18. How long before "accusations" arise against Cuomo, who has the power
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:37 PM
May 2018

to pardon Trump for state level crimes?

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
56. "No doubt he's being Franken'ed."
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:11 PM
May 2018
IF he is, then yeah good-bye USA.

And hello ruSSia, and that place over there outside of St. Petersburg and Moscow is a human hell hole..

madaboutharry

(40,377 posts)
32. The legal work and case survive any one lawyer.
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:50 PM
May 2018

If he has to resign, that does not mean that the work product gets thrown in the trash. Come on people, get a grip. There is a team of lawyers working this case, it will live on beyond the current Attorney General.

 

brooklynite

(96,497 posts)
34. To those alleging this is a hit job, Schneiderman confirms the physical aspect of the charges...
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:52 PM
May 2018

...the only open question is whether you agree with him that it was consensual.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the women at this point.

madville

(7,417 posts)
42. Anyone who gets off on
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:00 PM
May 2018

calling women whores and slapping/physically abusing them, whether it is consensual or not, is not fit to occupy the office that he does. He has serious mental issues whether it was consensual or not.

 

brooklynite

(96,497 posts)
48. THAT I'll disagree with.
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:03 PM
May 2018

Consensual sexual activity falls into a range of forms. As long as all parties agree, I could care less what they do in private, or what job they hold in public.

Would your principle apply equally to a professional Dominatrix?

madville

(7,417 posts)
69. I stand by my statement
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:19 PM
May 2018

If he gets off on verbally and physically abusing women he has serious issues. He is not denying it.

What do you mean by "professional"? Someone who just does it as a job for income or someone that is aroused by humiliating and inflicting mental/physical abuse on another person?

So if there was video of him calling these women whores and slapping them across the face you would think that was acceptable behavior as long as the women agreed to it?

 

brooklynite

(96,497 posts)
119. ...and I stand by mine.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:15 PM
May 2018

I've listened to a number of sex therapists and BDSM practitioners discuss these activities. In the same way that that some people like physical impact (approaching pain) in their sexual play, some (female AND male) like "verbal" impact as well. Doesn't do anything for me, but to each his or her own.

nb - most people who take up the job of being a Dominatrix don't do it because they couldn't get a degree in accounting. If you're only doing it to pay the bills, you're likely not going to be successful.

madville

(7,417 posts)
123. So it's ok to enjoy hitting and verbally abusing women as long as
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:21 PM
May 2018

they like it and it is done in private? Sorry, will never agree with that.

While if consensual I don't think it should be illegal or anything, it's not going to be appropriate for any politician/office holder. Add in that they all allege it was not consensual and it is moving into criminal territory though.

The NY governor is now calling for an investigation by state law enforcement.

BuddhaGirl

(3,622 posts)
170. Guess what?
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:04 PM
May 2018

There are professional people in all types of professions- including doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc. etc. who engage in this type of activity, consensual activity, and YOU don't know anything about it.

It's none of our business. Simple as that.

madville

(7,417 posts)
177. For over the last year I've been hearing that
Tue May 8, 2018, 03:32 PM
May 2018

This is alleged to be nonconsensual and a criminal investigation is underway.

Even if it is deemed consensual, hitting, injuring and verbally abusing women for gratification while drunk is not acceptable behavior from a politician. I don;t care what doctors and lawyers do behind closed doors.

What makes this even worse is that he had everyone fooled that he was a champion for women' rights.

ananda

(29,176 posts)
110. I tend to agree.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:10 PM
May 2018

That's four different women speaking out openly.

This is a LOT different from Franken's case.

Franken didn't even know most of the women
in his case, and the one he did know was VERY
suspicious in light of being coached by Roger
Stone.

RogerM

(150 posts)
39. Let him have his day in court
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:57 PM
May 2018

He should not give in to the resignation/slime effort without a through investigation.

 

helmedon1974

(92 posts)
130. He's who Mueller will hand the investigation to if he's fired.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:52 PM
May 2018

RICCO charges on the whole family as well as associates. State charges can't be pardoned. He has already run investigations on Trump businesses. Rudy is likely behind this, as it's his style. Timing is off too. Just when there's more talk about firing DOJ personnel, which is worrying enough.

 

brooklynite

(96,497 posts)
149. Now explain how the facts of the case fit into your "sliming".
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:54 PM
May 2018

You know that Schneiderman has acknowledged the charges, and only claims they were "consensual"?

fountainofyouth

(409 posts)
51. Granted, this is fresh news
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

But this does not bode well for him if he does not dispute having had encounters with these women and they are willing to go on record -- in The New Yorker -- saying he was abusive.

And unless they press criminal charges, which is unrealistic, there will be no official "day in court." His day in court will be adjudicated in the press, with his account and his alleged victims'. So far, he's losing.

pnwmom

(109,170 posts)
66. If he knows he's guilty he should just resign. Why put the state and the country
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:15 PM
May 2018

through an investigation if he knows the outcome will be poor?

madville

(7,417 posts)
38. These are prominent progressive women making the accusations
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:57 PM
May 2018

If there are already four coming forward my bet is that there will be a few more by the end of the month. He'll probably resign by the end of this month just from reading the article, it's way too elaborate to be setup and the two coming forward had well known relationships with him and confided friends at the time it was occurring who have confirmed their stories.

He's done.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
174. There are many prominent people I've never heard of as well.
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:15 PM
May 2018

There are many prominent people I've never heard of as well.

That lack of knowledge relevant to a region, a story, or an industry however, simply illustrates my own ignorance rather than minimizing the status of anyone else.

rurallib

(62,659 posts)
40. Shades of Eliot Spitzer! How convenient for Trump
Mon May 7, 2018, 07:58 PM
May 2018

He will do anything and everything he can to take down his enemies.

It may be true, it may not, but the timing is surely convenient.

No doubt somewhere in Moscow or Mar-a-puko people are pouring over anything related to Mueller

Scorched earth, baby!

rurallib

(62,659 posts)
55. yes - didn't say it didn't
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:10 PM
May 2018

just that so much of this - like Franken and Spitzer - is just such good luck for Trump one has to wonder if Trump and his crazies didn't help make it happen.

Which is why I say, he may just be even more lucky when someone makes a charge against Mueller. And I am willing to bet some of the scummiest bastards in the world are digging deep. Maybe a little of that laundered money could help loosen some lips.

Pardon me for being skeptical, but gee old Trumpy is lucky.

 

quartz007

(1,216 posts)
68. Anyone who survives 4 bankruptcies, multiple divorces
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:18 PM
May 2018

countless extra-marital affairs and wins the presidency is unbelievable luck. He has to be the luckiest bastard alive.

Deb

(3,743 posts)
46. I don't care. I'm a NY voter and I. Don't. Care.
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:03 PM
May 2018

Call the cops, file a report, get charges brought and make it stick. Gossip like this won't fly here, gotta make it real girlfriends.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
114. Yeah who cares about a bunch of broads getting slapped around?
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:12 PM
May 2018


I bet lots of Trump voters said the same thing.

Jedi Guy

(3,308 posts)
132. Yeah...
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:55 PM
May 2018

Who cares if this guy beats on women? As long as he's on our team and he goes after Trump, it's okay, amirite?

 

helmedon1974

(92 posts)
57. Of course they do. He's the one that will bring RICCO charges
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:12 PM
May 2018

against Trump and his associates. It's preemptive and likely Rudy's idea.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
175. What specifically leads you to believe no other can do the same?
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:16 PM
May 2018

What specifically leads you to believe no other can do the same?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
74. These women have been they had been choked and hit repeatedly by this man
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:22 PM
May 2018

To the point of requiring medical attention.

madville

(7,417 posts)
77. I doubt many defending this have actually read the entire article and his statements
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:24 PM
May 2018

He won't be in office by the end of the month, he'll be forced to resign.

dhol82

(9,372 posts)
84. How about we wait to see evidence
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:38 PM
May 2018

The move against Franken was reactive to ratfucking.
Let’s see where this ends up.
The left seems to want to destroy much more readily than the right.

madville

(7,417 posts)
89. Yeah, this isn't from some right-wing Twitter feed
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:42 PM
May 2018

It is well vetted and very credible. Seeing the current reaction I'll be surprised if he is still around by COB tomorrow.

kimbutgar

(21,773 posts)
93. Roger Stone and those Israeli mud diggers at work
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:45 PM
May 2018

Wasn’t Eric Considered a successor to Cuomo?

How come Democrats have to go but rethugs get to stay? Twitler has probably did far worst.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
101. Actually Schneiderman was considering challenging Cuomo, the two have been repeatedly at odds...
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:53 PM
May 2018

over the years.

kimbutgar

(21,773 posts)
165. Actually that was my first reaction upon hearing the news
Tue May 8, 2018, 11:59 AM
May 2018

As more info came out I found he was a slime ball. Unfortunately he was one of our warriors against Twitler who is silenced now.

hay rick

(7,864 posts)
99. Yuck.
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:51 PM
May 2018

I am in the innocent until proven guilty camp, but this looks bad. I presume that the Trump/Manafort investigations continue, with or without Schneiderman.

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
105. I presume that the Trump/Manafort investigations continue, with or without Schneiderman.
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:58 PM
May 2018

One would HOPE so.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
104. Before posting to this thread, can you at least read the article?
Mon May 7, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

It is a vetted article co-written by a Pulitzer prize winner. NOT fake news.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
109. Unfortunately, this is a WEDGE issue, positions taken long ago.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:05 PM
May 2018

Except for the professional agitators among us, we are all seen as both weapons to be aimed and fired and ground to be captured in the giant battle waging for power in this country.

Bang, bang, all in the circular firing squad fall down.

COUNTDOWN TO MIDTERMS: 182 days.

NEXT BIG PRIMARIES: Tomorrow!




Tumbulu

(6,356 posts)
116. balony
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:13 PM
May 2018

read the article before defending him. it certainly does not appear to be right wing hit job.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
147. I'm not defending or accusing ANYONE, Tumbulu,
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:31 PM
May 2018

except the kind of people who take angry, cemented positions and launch into battle instead of merely expressing reasonable, honest beliefs and support based on current information.

This isn't really a post-truth world, just that too many are acting as if they're living in one.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
113. You have to give people a chance to read it. For many here this thread was first word of issue.
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:11 PM
May 2018

For me, who is not yet home but posting on an iphone, I have had no opportunity to read YET.

So jumping to conclusions either way is inappropriate until I've had that chance. But so too is demonizing everyone who is not yet willing to conclude one way or the other because they haven't had the opportunity YET to read it.

And, no, it is NOT appropriate to DEMAND no one post to a breaking news thread any first impressions prior to reading the article. Certainly over the course of the next few hours and in other threads, yes, but these derisive posts towards those not yet ready to embrace a lynch mob are just wrong.

hlthe2b

(103,308 posts)
121. BREAKING NEWS... just as I am sure YOU have posted first impressions many times
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:16 PM
May 2018

AND it is none of your business nor appropriate in any way to tell other DUERS when and how they should post.

karin_sj

(892 posts)
115. Reading this headline really made my heart sink
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:13 PM
May 2018

I've always thought so highly of him. He was like a hero to me for all that he's done for the little guy. But I have a bad feeling about this.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
133. Schneiderman announces his resignation...
Mon May 7, 2018, 09:58 PM
May 2018
https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/statement-attorney-general-eric-t-schneiderman

“It’s been my great honor and privilege to serve as Attorney General for the people of the State of New York. In the last several hours, serious allegations, which I strongly contest, have been made against me. While these allegations are unrelated to my professional conduct or the operations of the office, they will effectively prevent me from leading the office’s work at this critical time. I therefore resign my office, effective at the close of business on May 8, 2018.”

DonCoquixote

(13,617 posts)
137. in case anybody thinks is just about kink
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:05 PM
May 2018

There are people who engage in BDSM, HOWEVER, the mantra of those who practice that is SAFE, SANE, CONSENSUAL, meaning that whoever does this never lets any of the action get into something where someone was actually in danger. If this person tries to claim there was consent involved, there can and will be any number of bdsm practitioners of all genders (especially in New York), who could gladly puncture that balloon, asking him simple things like "Ok, did you establish a safeword before you played?" Most of the more reputable BDSM clubs would not allow the stuff shown in "50 shades"because it was clear Mr.Grey did not give a damned about the consent of his sub, which meant he would be on a list of people to not let in, and to call the cops if the guy did not want to leave. Part of the whole reason clubs like that were formed is so that if some asshole tried to ignore the safe sane consensual business, they could be tied up in a way not arousing them, and left waiting for the police, which of course, scared people away who did not want their co workers or church goers to know what they did on a Saturday night.

In short, of this guy keeps screaming "it was consent" bring in the NYC bdsm community who will make him look like a fool.

yardwork

(62,315 posts)
138. This has nothing to do with BDSM. He attacks people when he's drunk and angry.
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:10 PM
May 2018

Read the article. He attacked his girlfriend while they were fully clothed, not engaging in sex. He smacked her across the face so hard it burst her eardrum. Then he strangled her.

He attacked another woman when she rebuffed his sexual advance.

The stories sound credible. The women told people at the time. There are pictures of the marks he left on their faces.

DonCoquixote

(13,617 posts)
141. I am just saying
Mon May 7, 2018, 10:13 PM
May 2018

If he claims this is BDSM (as sadly many rapists do) then that is an illusion that can be easily dispelled.

DeminPennswoods

(15,455 posts)
151. Who, according to her account in the New Yorker,
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:40 PM
May 2018

broke up and reconcilled with him 3 times. If a man hits a woman the first time they're together, the only thing to say is "good-bye".

No doubt, the article reads badly for Schneiderman, but it's only the women's side and description of events. Schneiderman certainly deserves his day in court. It was also the correct decision to resign.

get the red out

(13,470 posts)
152. Justice needs to be served for these women if true
Mon May 7, 2018, 11:47 PM
May 2018

But I guess never for women abused by Trump. I guess he really has become king.

SkatmanRoth

(843 posts)
156. Sounds like the Republicans have been holding these charges in reserve for a while
Tue May 8, 2018, 05:23 AM
May 2018

They needed time to coach the women on how to have the greatest effect in presentation and then coordinated the charges to come out at the same time. No doubt the Republicans will simply discard the women one the desired political damage has been achieved.

I would expect there are more bombshells hidden from view that will be dropped as the mid terms get closer. The Republicans are the dirtiest players in politics and have been for decades.

apnu

(8,779 posts)
168. I read through the whole article. I recommend others do as well before reacting
Tue May 8, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

There's a lot of comments in this thread that are way off and showing ignorance to the New Yorker piece. Read it before reacting and then react to what you read, not what you think the headline and brief here says.

For the record. I'm glad these women came forward and this man exposed. He needs to be removed from office and Democratic circles and he needs years of help to straighten his ass out, and then he can make amends.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
173. Concur! Doesn't matter if the Repubs drove this outing
Tue May 8, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

If he assaulted them, as the evidence details - he is an abuser, of a heinous kind.

Hope the New Yorker details Trump's abuse - equally

apnu

(8,779 posts)
176. yeah, doesn't matter how this story came about.
Tue May 8, 2018, 02:34 PM
May 2018

But I haven't seen any Republican finger prints here unless they own the New Yorker.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
178. One always has to worry, about who owns media
Tue May 8, 2018, 04:05 PM
May 2018

But, regardless, the fact the victims told others, is proof undeniable.

If he did threaten further abuse, via his power as public servant (due to his - out of control - behavior) he should be prosecuted.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
184. anyone who knows the work of Jane Mayer would not question the veracity of the article.
Wed May 9, 2018, 03:27 AM
May 2018

Looking for the trump hand in this is just blurring the point.
The real point is, He was one of the good guys!!
That is what makes my head explode.
Everything he did publicly ( that I know of) was correct.

And beneath he is a controller, a predator of the worse kind....

 

Izzy Blue

(282 posts)
181. " Metro Cuomo appoints Nassau County DA to investigate Schneiderman"
Tue May 8, 2018, 10:32 PM
May 2018

snips:

"Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday appointed Nassau County DA Madeline Singas to investigate ousted Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and his alleged violent mistreatment of several women."


"In addition to investigating the specific allegations outlined against Schneiderman in the article, the Special Prosecutor shall investigate facts in the article suggesting that the Attorney General staff and office resources may have been used to facilitate alleged abusive liaisons referenced in the article,” according to Cuomo."


https://nypost.com/2018/05/08/cuomo-appoints-nassau-county-da-to-investigate-schneiderman/

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