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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:15 PM May 2018

Cuban media: Boeing 737 crashes with 104 passengers aboard

Source: Yahoo News/AP




ANDREA RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press•May 18, 2018

HAVANA (AP) — A Boeing 737 operated by state airline Cubana crashed on takeoff from Jose Marti International Airport in Havana on Friday with 104 passengers and nine crew aboard, coming to rest in a farm field where firefighters sprayed the charred fuselage with hoses. There was no immediate word on casualties.

Officials said the plane was headed to the eastern city of Holguin when it crashed between the airport in southern Havana and the nearby town of Santiago de Las Vegas.

The plane lay in a field of yuca-root plants and appeared heavily damaged and burnt. Firefighters were trying to extinguish its smoldering remains. Government officials including President Miguel Diaz-Canel rushed to the site, along with a large number of emergency medical workers and ambulances. Residents of the rural area said they had seen some survivors being taken away in ambulances.

A military officer who declined to provide his name to reporters said that there appeared to have been only three survivors in critical condition, but other officials declined to confirm that figure.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/cuban-media-boeing-737-crashes-104-passengers-aboard-173632644.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=69f70237-124f-3ea9-acd0-fc922af945e2&.tsrc=notification-brknews

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Cuban media: Boeing 737 crashes with 104 passengers aboard (Original Post) DonViejo May 2018 OP
Oh no. MontanaMama May 2018 #1
This looks really bad. herding cats May 2018 #2
Cuba plane: Boeing 737 crashes near Havana airport Judi Lynn May 2018 #3
As anyone minimally familiar with right-wing Cuban terrorist activities knows, this is suspicious. sandensea May 2018 #9
He has always been considered a hero, hasn't he? Even worked for the CIA during Iran-Contra, Judi Lynn May 2018 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #36
CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S. Judi Lynn May 2018 #37
Plane crashes in Havana, Cuba, with 104 passengers on board Judi Lynn May 2018 #4
A fitting punishment for Cubans. I mean, look at all the shit Cuba has done to the USA. Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #7
What a bunch of ne'er do wells, right? Judi Lynn May 2018 #13
Events enid602 May 2018 #27
Oh, so sad. I'm flying into Holguin 2 weeks from today (on American) and sinkingfeeling May 2018 #5
I'm going soon too. Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #8
Enjoy! Welcome to DU WhiteTara May 2018 #29
I go regularly as my dad isn't well. Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #30
I'm sorry he may have ALS. That is a terrible disease WhiteTara May 2018 #31
Thanks. Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #32
The Cuban President rushed to the site to personally survey the situation? Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #6
This U.S. President has to stay close to his office to be able to watch Fox TV. Judi Lynn May 2018 #11
Raul is no longer President. President Miguel Diaz-Canel went. Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #14
Jeez, I plead insanity. Actually did know that, but failed to remember. Judi Lynn May 2018 #16
Well, actually ... Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #19
The NY Times explanation seems logical: Judi Lynn May 2018 #20
Cuba plane: More than 100 die in Havana air crash herding cats May 2018 #10
Jesus... Blue_Tires May 2018 #15
More than 100 killed in passenger plane crash in Cuba: state TV Judi Lynn May 2018 #17
One of the safest aircraft in the World if maintained. Wonder what this is really about? Bengus81 May 2018 #18
Blue Panorama Airlines is an Italian airline Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #21
Thanks for the information. Very interesting, for sure. n/t Judi Lynn May 2018 #25
The first thing that comes to mind is "retracted flaps and slats" jmowreader May 2018 #22
You might be able to keep 60 year old cars running Maxheader May 2018 #23
It was a Boeing 737- still being made - a popular jet. Owned and maintained by an Italian airline. Mike Rows His Boat May 2018 #24
Sure you can. The Air Force is still using B-52s The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #26
And a very well built aircraft... Maxheader May 2018 #28
Just 30 years old in this case... Blue_Tires May 2018 #38
Ageing Cuban plane linked to embargo by successive US administrations Judi Lynn May 2018 #33
Death, Taxes And The Cuban Blockade Judi Lynn May 2018 #34
The US Blockade of Cuba: Its Effects and Global Consequences Judi Lynn May 2018 #35
Hard to take people seriously when they don't know the difference between a blockade & a embargo. EX500rider May 2018 #39
The Aircraft was a Mexican aircraft, not a Cuban aircraft so sanctions are not a factor. EX500rider May 2018 #40

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
3. Cuba plane: Boeing 737 crashes near Havana airport
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:36 PM
May 2018

34 minutes ago



A Boeing 737 airliner from Cuba's state airline Cubana de Aviacion has crashed and exploded near Jose Marti International Airport in Havana, Cuban media report.

The plane came down shortly after take-off, Prensa Latina news agency said.

State TV said it was an internal flight from the Cuban capital to Holguin, in the east of the island.

The plane was carrying 104 passengers, local reports say. No information about casualties has yet been confirmed.

More:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44176899

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
9. As anyone minimally familiar with right-wing Cuban terrorist activities knows, this is suspicious.
Fri May 18, 2018, 03:38 PM
May 2018


Luis Posada Carriles, widely considered responsible for the 1976 bombing of Cubana Flight 455, which killed 73 people. Living it up in Miami at U.S. taxpayer expense.

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
12. He has always been considered a hero, hasn't he? Even worked for the CIA during Iran-Contra,
Fri May 18, 2018, 04:22 PM
May 2018

in Central America, recruited bomber "mules" from among impoverished people in Guatemala, etc. to carry in bombs to place at various tourist hot spots in Cuba, like hotels, restaurants, discos. Was able to, through his proxy bombers, to catapult an Italian tourist into the Void. That tourist's father, still in Italy, chose to permanently move to Cuba after his son was assassinated by a Miami Cuban "exile" terrorist, Luis Posada Carriles.



Luis Posada Carriles, when he was young,
participating in murderous raids against the
people of Cuba after the Revolution with
his terrorist brigade 2506.



Luis Posada Carriles, before getting
shot in his jaw during murderous nonsense.



With former pediatrician, Dr. Orlando Bosch, the other Cubana airline bomber architect in Miami, where they were both the toast of the town, together before god called his mass murdering servant back home to receive his just rewards, whatever that might be.




A note from the sane world to the government which has protected this mega-terrorist all these years.
Behind the sign, images of the very innocent people, including children, who were trying to get home,
each in one piece.

Would-be rescuers had to try to rescue their remains floating in the sea from boats.

Thanks for the reminder, sandensea. What a shame more people don't have any idea about the war which has been going on against the Cuban people since they opted to remove their US-backed bloody, treacherous, wildly corrupt dictator, and the thoroughly hideous, racist oligarchs who supported him since he first rose to power in the 1930's and ruled, one way or another, usually from behind the scenes, even from Miami, until the Revolution.


Response to sandensea (Reply #9)

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
37. CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.
Sun May 20, 2018, 02:37 PM
May 2018

LUIS POSADA CARRILES
THE DECLASSIFIED RECORD
CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 153

For more information contact
Peter Kornbluh - 202/994-7116

May 10, 2005

Update - May 18, 2005 - Documents featured on May 17, 2005 edition of ABC's Nightline

Washington D.C. May 18, 2005 - The National Security Archive today posted additional documents that show that the CIA had concrete advance intelligence, as early as June 1976, on plans by Cuban exile terrorist groups to bomb a Cubana airliner. The Archive also posted another document that shows that the FBI's attache in Caracas had multiple contacts with one of the Venezuelans who placed the bomb on the plane, and provided him with a visa to the U.S. five days before the bombing, despite suspicions that he was engaged in terrorist activities at the direction of Luis Posada Carriles.

Both documents were featured last night on ABC Nightline's program on Luis Posada Carriles, who was detained in Miami yesterday by Homeland Security.

In addition, the Archive posted the first report to Secretary of State Kissinger from the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research on the bombing of Cubana flight 455. The report noted that a CIA source had overheard Posada prior to the bombing in late September 1976 stating that, "We are going to hit a Cuban airliner." This information was apparently not passed to the CIA until after the plane went down.

There is no indication in the declassified files that indicates that the CIA alerted Cuban government authorities to the terrorist threat against Cubana planes. Still classified CIA records indicate that the informant might actually have been Posada himself who at that time was in periodic contact with both CIA and FBI agents in Venezuela.

More:
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

The Terrorist List, and Terrorism as Practiced Against Cuba
April 22, 2013 COHA



Of all the components to the United States hostile strategy against Cuba, nothing raises the ire of the Castro government more than its inclusion on the State Department’s list of states that sponsor terrorism. The designation is seen by Havana as an impediment towards improving relations and as a cruel hypocrisy that provides political cover for Washington to justify the imposition of economic penalties along with the perpetuation of anti-revolutionary propaganda.

There is an opportunity to eliminate that stumbling block in the next few weeks, if newly appointed Secretary of State John Kerry decides to recommend Cuba’s deletion from the list to President Obama. Kerry has until the release of the State Department’s annual terror report on April 30 to make the determination of whether Cuba will remain on the terrorist list. High ranking Cuban officials are closely watching this development, indicating the removal could offer an opportunity to re-engage with the United States. [1]

The history of Cuba’s controversial inclusion goes back to 1982, the same year Iraq was taken off the list by the Reagan administration. Besides Cuba, only Sudan, Iran, and Syria continue to be labeled as state sponsors of terrorism. North Korea was dropped in 2008, while Pakistan, long the home of Osama Bin Laden and recognized as a haven for Islamic terrorists, has never been considered. Saudi Arabia, where the majority of the 9/11 terrorists came from, is looked upon as a staunch ally of the United States.

There are numerous reasons why the Castro government finds its insertion on the list so galling. First are the real economic consequences to the designation. By law the United States must oppose any loans to Cuba by the World Bank or other international lending institutions. Obama administration officials have been using Cuba’s inclusion to make it increasingly difficult for Havana to conduct normal banking transactions that involve U.S. financial establishments, regardless of which currency is being used. Furthermore, the United States has imposed an arms embargo against all parties placed on the list (which the Castro government has experienced since the triumph of the Revolution) as well as prohibiting sales of items that could be considered to have both military and non-military dual use, including hospital equipment. For example, the William Soler children’s hospital in Havana was labeled a ‘denied hospital’ in 2007 by the State Department, bringing with it serious ramifications. Various medicines and technology have become impossible to obtain, resulting in the deaths of children and the inability of staff to properly deal with a variety of treatable conditions. [2] For Cuba, these restrictions are additionally damaging as the island continues to suffer from the comprehensive embargo the United States has imposed since the early 1960s.

More:
http://www.coha.org/22355/

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

The Coddled ‘Terrorists’ of South Florida
Anti-Castro Cuban exiles linked to bombings and assassinations are living free – and conducting drills – in Miami. Does the U.S. have a double standard on terrorism?
JANUARY 14, 2008 By TRISTRAM KORTEN & KIRK NIELSEN

. . .

Plans to attack Cuba are constantly being hatched in South Florida. Over the years militant exiles have been linked to everything from downing airliners to hit-and-run commando raids on the Cuban coast to hotel bombings in Havana. They've killed Cuban diplomats and made numerous attempts on Castro's life.

But, other than an occasional federal gun charge, nothing much seems to happen to most of these would-be revolutionaries. They are allowed to train nearly unimpeded despite making explicit plans to violate the 70-year-old U.S. Neutrality Act and overthrow a sovereign country's government. Though separate anti-terror laws passed in 1994 and 1996 would seem to apply directly to their activities, no one has ever been charged for anti-Cuban terrorism under those laws. And 9/11 seems to have changed nothing. In the past few years in South Florida, a newly created local terrorism task force has investigated Jose Padilla and the hapless Seas of David cult, and juries have delivered mixed reviews, but no terrorism charges have been brought against anti-Castro militants. The federal government has even failed to extradite to other countries militants who are credibly accused of acts of murder. Among the most notorious is Luis Posada Carriles, wanted for bombing a Cuban jet in 1976 and Havana hotels in 1997. It is, perhaps, a testament to the power of South Florida's crucial Cuban-American voting bloc — and the political allegiances of the current president.

In Greater Miami, home to the majority of the nation's 1.5 million Cuban-Americans, the presence of what could credibly be described as a terrorist training camp has become an accepted norm during the half-century of the anti-Castro Cuban diaspora. Alpha 66 and numerous other paramilitary groups — Comandos F4, Brigade 2506, Accion Cubana — are so common they've taken on the benign patina of Rotary Clubs with weapons.

But Alpha 66 members are eager to remind you that even if they are graying and prosperous they are not toothless old tigers. Their Web site boasts that “in recent years” they've sabotaged Cuba's tourist economy by attacking hotels in the beach resort of Caya Coco. At the group's headquarters in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami, the walls are hung with the portraits of dozens of men who have died on Alpha 66 missions.

More:
https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2008/01/14/coddled-terrorists-south-florida/

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Why the FBI Is Coming After Me
By Ann Louise Bardach
Sunday, November 12, 2006

As a rule, I don't believe in conspiracy theories. They tend to be tidy and selective, whereas life seems so random and messy. But the case of Cuban militant and would-be Fidel Castro assassin Luis Posada Carriles has sorely tested my convictions.

I've been writing about Posada for nearly a decade. I interviewed him in Aruba for a series of articles in the New York Times in 1998. He was a fugitive who had escaped from Venezuela in 1985 while awaiting trial in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban passenger plane that killed all 73 people aboard-- the first deadly act of airline terrorism in the Americas. Posada has maintained his innocence, but in a rare instance of unanimity, the CIA and the FBI, as well as Venezuelan, Trinidadian and Cuban intelligence, concluded that he and fellow militant Orlando Bosch had masterminded the bombing.

Last year, I wrote an Outlook article about Posada's surprise arrival in Miami, where he filed a claim for political asylum. Not only did this move strike many as brazen, but it also seemed incomprehensible that the Bush administration, so committed to what it calls the War on Terror, could have allowed someone of Posada's notoriety to slip into the country.

Soon after, Homeland Security Department officials got around to arresting Posada and charging him with illegal entry. I assumed that the Justice Department would act on his self-admitted history of paramilitary attacks and extradite him somewhere, and that I'd just continue to cover his case. Instead, the government has dithered for a year and a half while Posada languishes in an immigration jail in Texas.

More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111001384.html

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Castro Enemy Said to Have Recounted Role in Attacks
By DAN FROSCH MARCH 16, 2011

EL PASO — A journalist called as a key prosecution witness in the perjury trial of an elderly anti-Castro militant testified on Wednesday that the defendant had described in detailed interviews his role in a wave of bombings that tore through Havana in 1997.

The witness, Ann Louise Bardach, was a contract writer for The New York Times when she interviewed the man, Luis Posada Carriles, in 1998. The interviews were the foundation for articles she wrote that year with Larry Rohter, a reporter for The Times, in which Mr. Posada spoke about coordinating the bombs at hotels and restaurants to frighten tourists.

Mr. Posada, 83, has been on trial in federal court here for two months, but not for the attacks in Havana that killed an Italian tourist, or in connection with the downing of a Cuban jet in 1976 that killed 73 people — both of which have made him a wanted man in Cuba and Venezuela.

. . .

Federal prosecutors say Mr. Posada, who was on the C.I.A.’s payroll during the 1960s and ’70s, lied during immigration hearings more than five years ago about how he had gotten into the United States and about his involvement in the Havana bombings.

More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/us/17posada.html

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
4. Plane crashes in Havana, Cuba, with 104 passengers on board
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:55 PM
May 2018

CBS/AP May 18, 2018, 2:37 PM

HAVANA -- A Cuban airliner with 104 passengers on board plummeted into a yuca field just after takeoff from Havana's international airport on Friday. There was no immediate word on casualties.

Officials said the plane was headed to the eastern city of Holguin when it crashed a short distance from the end of the runway on the southern outskirts of Havana. Witnesses said they saw a thick column of smoke near the airport.

. . .

The plane lay in a field of yuca-root plants and appeared heavily damaged and burnt. Firefighters were trying to extinguish its smoldering remains. Government officials including President Miguel Diaz-Canel rushed to the site, along with a large number of emergency medical workers. Residents of the rural area said they had seen some survivors being taken away in ambulances.

. . .

"Among the difficulties created by the U.S. trade embargo is our inability to acquire latest-generation aircraft with technology capable of guaranteeing the stability of aerial operations," Hernandez said. "Another factor is obtaining part for Cubana's aircraft."

More:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/plane-crash-havana-cuba-today-2018-05-18/

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
7. A fitting punishment for Cubans. I mean, look at all the shit Cuba has done to the USA.
Fri May 18, 2018, 03:36 PM
May 2018


Pathetic and deranged sanctions against Cuba are emblematic of Trumpian policy.




Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
13. What a bunch of ne'er do wells, right?
Fri May 18, 2018, 04:34 PM
May 2018

The U.S. has been hot on the trail of bending Cubans to our will since at least the time the US Undersecretary of War chose to pen his Breckenridge Memorandum on Christmas Eve, 1897.


The Breckenridge Memorandum
J.C. Breckenridge, U.S. Undersecretary of War in 1897, sent the following memo to the Commander of the U.S. Army, Lieutenant General Nelson A. Miles. The memo explains what is to be U.S. policy towards the Hawaiian islands, Puerto Rico and Cuba.


Department of War
Office of the Undersecretary
Washington D.C.

December 24, 1897

. . .

The island of Cuba, a larger territory, has a greater population density than Puerto Rico, although it is unevenly distributed. This population is made up of whites, blacks, Asians and people who are a mixture of these races. The inhabitants are generally indolent and apathetic. As for their learning, they range from the most refined to the most vulgar and abject. Its people are indifferent to religion, and the majority are therefore immoral and simultaneously they have strong passions and are very sensual. Since they only possess a vague notion of what is right and wrong, the people tend to seek pleasure not through work, but through violence. As a logical consequence of this lack of morality, there is a great disregard for life.

It is obvious that the immediate annexation of these disturbing elements into our own federation in such large numbers would be sheer madness, so before we do that we must clean up the country, even if this means using the methods Divine Providence used on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

We must destroy everything within our cannons’ range of fire. We must impose a harsh blockade so that hunger and its constant companion, disease, undermine the peaceful population and decimate the Cuban army. The allied army must be constantly engaged in reconnaissance and vanguard actions so that the Cuban army is irreparably caught between two fronts and is forced to undertake dangerous and desperate measures.

. . .

When this moment arrives, we must create conflicts for the independent government. That government will be faced with these difficulties, in addition to the lack of means to meet our demands and the commitments made to us, war expenses and the need to organize a new country. These difficulties must coincide with the unrest and violence among the aforementioned elements, to whom we must give our backing.

To sum up, our policy must always be to support the weaker against the stronger, until we have obtained the extermination of them both, in order to annex the Pearl of the Antilles.


More:
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/bmemo.htm

enid602

(8,614 posts)
27. Events
Fri May 18, 2018, 10:33 PM
May 2018

You know, no one was ever able to find out what caused the sounds that were hurting US embassy workers' ears in Havana. These two disparate events, and Trump's uncharactistic silence on Cuba make me suspicious.

sinkingfeeling

(51,445 posts)
5. Oh, so sad. I'm flying into Holguin 2 weeks from today (on American) and
Fri May 18, 2018, 02:57 PM
May 2018

flying out of Havana 2 weeks after that.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
29. Enjoy! Welcome to DU
Sat May 19, 2018, 10:59 AM
May 2018

I would love to go to Cuba; but alas I haven't funds for lovely travel at the present.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
30. I go regularly as my dad isn't well.
Sat May 19, 2018, 11:42 AM
May 2018

He is old and has the symptoms of developing ALS. He gets good care there, which would be unaffordable here.

Thanks for the welcome.


WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
31. I'm sorry he may have ALS. That is a terrible disease
Sat May 19, 2018, 01:18 PM
May 2018

and it's wonderful to hear that he can get great care there. Cuba does have the finest doctors in the world, it is true.

Have a great time. There are many discussion boards that aren't on the main page and you'll meet lots of wonderful people here.

 

Mike Rows His Boat

(389 posts)
6. The Cuban President rushed to the site to personally survey the situation?
Fri May 18, 2018, 03:34 PM
May 2018

OMG ... the horrors of the brutal areligious dictatorship!!! <--

Here, in America, our POTUSes send much more effective thoughts and prayers.


Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
11. This U.S. President has to stay close to his office to be able to watch Fox TV.
Fri May 18, 2018, 04:03 PM
May 2018

Can't leave. except to play golf.

Whatever possessed an older man like Raul Castro to travel out in the heat, humidity to hike through the yucca plant field to personally understand what happened, and personally involve himself in attempts to rescue any survivors?

Unfortunately, any prayers from Trump would probably deliver him another lunch of two Big Macs, two Fillets of Fish, and a chocolate malt, after which he would need to fire off several racist, hatred-driven Tweets.

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
16. Jeez, I plead insanity. Actually did know that, but failed to remember.
Fri May 18, 2018, 05:12 PM
May 2018

So glad you posted the right name, for sure.

President Miguel Diaz-Canel.

To imagine, Raul Castro actually retired as he said he intended. How can that be?

Hope the new President gets a clean chance to fill his duties, work for the people WITHOUT interference from outside which has always been angling for a moment of weakness in Cuba in order to take the entire nation back to pre-Revolutionary Days, privatize the world-class, and world-famous medical system, education system, and return the masses of Cubans to the days of desperation, before they had no choice but to overthrow the tyrant and his foreign puppet-masters.

President Miguel Diaz-Canel.

Gotta remind myself, starting right now, apparently.

Thank you!

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
20. The NY Times explanation seems logical:
Fri May 18, 2018, 06:54 PM
May 2018

By Ernesto Londoño

Dec. 21, 2017
Cuba’s leader, Raúl Castro, will step down as president in April, roughly two months later than anticipated, the government announced on Thursday.

Cuban officials pushed back the highly anticipated transition because the government in September delayed legislative elections as a result of damage from Hurricane Irma.

Under the revised timeline, the National Assembly’s current term will end April 19, instead of Feb. 24.

More:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/21/world/americas/cuba-raul-castro.html

I remember reading lotsa times over the years that Hurricane clean-up and repair of homes, etc. brings lots of people out to get things running again.

As you know, Cuba has a record of sustaining absolutely minimal human loss due to their incredible hurricane preparedness, developed and perfected over years, in which everyone already knows the drill, and they even are able to get farm animals and household pets to higher ground, as well as keeping the Cuban people themselves safe.

Have seen a couple of articles by US Americans stuck in Cuba during/after hurricanes, and their impressions of the fantastic spirit of shared involvement in making things livable again. Very impressive.






Hurricane Irma handi-work





Hurricanes don't kid around by the time they hit Cuba, do they? Yikes.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
10. Cuba plane: More than 100 die in Havana air crash
Fri May 18, 2018, 03:45 PM
May 2018
Three people have survived but are in a critical condition in hospital, Cuban Communist Party newspaper Granma reported.
The plane came down shortly after take-off, crashing in a field.
It was carrying 104 passengers and nine foreign crew, according to local media.
"There has been an unfortunate aviation accident. The news is not very promising, it seems that there is a high number of victims," Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel was quoted as saying.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44176899

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
17. More than 100 killed in passenger plane crash in Cuba: state TV
Fri May 18, 2018, 05:22 PM
May 2018

Reuters
By Sarah Marsh and Nelson Acosta
,Reuters•May 18, 2018

By Sarah Marsh and Nelson Acosta

HAVANA (Reuters) - More than 100 people were killed in a fiery crash of a Boeing 737 passenger plane in Cuba on Friday, Cuban broadcaster CubaTV reported.

There were three seriously injured survivors among the 114 passengers and crew, Cuban president Miguel Diaz-Canel said.

The aircraft, on a domestic flight to Holguin in eastern Cuba, crashed shortly after taking off from Havana, Cuban state-run media reported. There were 105 passengers, including five children, and nine crew members.

The fire from the crash had been put out and authorities were identifying bodies, President Diaz-Canel said, adding that authorities were investigating the cause of the crash.

More:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cuba-says-boeing-737-crashed-taking-off-havana-173252799.html?soc_trk=gcm&soc_src=69f70237-124f-3ea9-acd0-fc922af945e2&.tsrc=notification-brknews

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
22. The first thing that comes to mind is "retracted flaps and slats"
Fri May 18, 2018, 06:58 PM
May 2018

The wings on an airplane need to be bigger when you take off and when you land than they do when you're flying straight and level. That's what the flaps and slats are for, and this is a diagram of a wing:



Part of setting the plane up for departure is extending them into the airflow. If you try taking off with the flaps and slats extended, your airplane falls out of the sky and everyone on it gets killed.

This is a page of accident summaries that have one thing in common: the pilots failed to extend their flaps and slats, and the omission killed everyone aboard.

http://lessonslearned.faa.gov/ll_main.cfm?TabID=2&LLID=69&LLTypeID=14

Maxheader

(4,372 posts)
23. You might be able to keep 60 year old cars running
Fri May 18, 2018, 07:17 PM
May 2018

in the streets of havanna, but you can't do that
with aircraft...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
26. Sure you can. The Air Force is still using B-52s
Fri May 18, 2018, 10:18 PM
May 2018

built in the '50s. DC-3s from the '30s and '40s are still used all over the world. If you take good care of airplanes they'll last a very long time.

Maxheader

(4,372 posts)
28. And a very well built aircraft...
Sat May 19, 2018, 08:13 AM
May 2018

Finishing up 'vision' the story of boeing...harold mansfield...And there is a lot
about the development of the-b52...The difference of wear and tear on a
newer aircraft vs the 52 are the cycle numbers. The 737 probably has considerably
more..you have to look at maintenance quality too, where its done and how
often.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
38. Just 30 years old in this case...
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:44 AM
May 2018

If you've flown American the past couple of years I bet dollars to yen you've been on a 30-year-old airframe....

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
33. Ageing Cuban plane linked to embargo by successive US administrations
Sat May 19, 2018, 08:41 PM
May 2018

By Rick Gladstone & Frances Robles19 May 2018 — 11:28am

New York: A Cuban state airliner crashed and burnt moments after take-off from Havana on Friday, killing nearly all 114 people aboard the nearly 40-year-old plane.

It was one of the worst airline crashes in Cuba, which has been struggling to operate with a decrepit fleet of planes that it has blamed partly on the long-standing economic embargo imposed by the United States.

It remained unclear what caused the crash, but it came against the backdrop of Cuba's struggle to improve commercial aviation on the island, which has long faced economic constraints from the US embargo.

. . .

The report said that Roberto Pena Samper, president of the Cuban Aviation Corporation, bemoaned that the "embargo placed by successive American administrations prevents" the island "from acquiring the resources necessary to operate a larger fleet of planes and to enhance airport services."

More:
https://www.smh.com.au/world/central-america/ageing-cuban-plane-linked-to-embargo-by-successive-us-administrations-20180519-p4zg9i.html

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
34. Death, Taxes And The Cuban Blockade
Sat May 19, 2018, 09:07 PM
May 2018

It is not just the rest of the world that is against the Cuban blockade. A majority of Americans – even a majority of Cuban Americans – favor lifting the blockade and normalizing relations with Cuba.

by Matt Peppe



. . .

The blockade against Cuba has been strengthened over the course of the last half century to include various extraterritorial provisions that violate the sovereignty of impartial countries. These include sections of the Torricelli Act that prohibit subsidiaries of U.S. companies in third countries from trading with Cuba. Ninety percent of such trade with Cuba consists of food and medicines. Additionally, the Helms-Burton Act prevents international financial institutions, such as the International Monetary Fund or the World Bank, from granting credit to Cuba. This violates the policies of these institutions as well as those of other international organizations. [2]

Many foreign companies have been caught in the U.S.’s illegal, extraterritorial web of laws in the past year. An Argentina-based travel agency settled for $2.8 million fine for offering services to people who traveled to Cuba. A large Dutch travel company settled for $5.9 million for similar charges. A Canadian subsidiary of the insurance giant AIG, which sold policies to people traveling to Cuba, was levied a $279,038 fine. Energy drink maker Red Bull was forced to pay a $90,000 fine for sending seven people to Cuba to make a documentary.

. . .

It is civilians in Cuba, especially children, who are suffering the worst. Many antiviral medications are unavailable to minors because of the blockade. North American companies who make these medications don’t respond to requests for their purchase or claim they cannot sell them to Cuba, according to diplomat Jairo Rodríguez, who recently testified at the UN.

Nearly 80 percent of patents in the medical sector are held by American corporations and their subsidiaries. Cuba cannot gain access to these pharmaceutical medications and medical equipment because of restrictions imposed by the U.S. government. [3]

More:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/death-taxes-cuban-blockade/198326/

Judi Lynn

(160,517 posts)
35. The US Blockade of Cuba: Its Effects and Global Consequences
Sat May 19, 2018, 09:29 PM
May 2018

Nicholas Partyka I Geopolitics I Analysis I May 2nd, 2014

It is not possible to discuss almost any aspect of life in Cuba without talking about the US blockade of the island. That the US has an 'embargo' against the island is one of the few things that Americans might know about Cuba. This policy of economic warfare against our hemispheric neighbor has been in place for more than five decades now. In this dispatch, I want to focus on the US blockade policy. We will look briefly at why it exists, its aims, its status under international law, and what its main effects are. Though many Americans may know that there is an "embargo" (though "blockade" is more accurate), few likely know how it works and what its costs are. Attempting to remedy this situation will be the point of this part of the series.

On New Year's Eve 1958, Fulgencio Batista fled Cuba. The next day, the revolutionary government took control of the country. For the better part of a year, the US foreign policy establishment did not know what to make of Fidel Castro and his revolution. Relations remained cordial until Fidel announced the implementation of a set of Agrarian Reform laws. These laws aimed to put land in the hands of poor farmers who had been largely excluded from land ownership under the old regime. Many of the lands nationalized under Fidel's measures belonged to US citizens or companies; e.g. King Ranch. Other nations also had property nationalized in Cuba in the wake of the revolution, but only the US refused compensation, which the Cubans offered.

In a somewhat ironic twist, the Cubans offered compensation for nationalized property on the basis of the property's value as determined by the most recent pre-revolutionary Cuban tax assessments. Now, this would only be a problem for US owners of Cuban property to be nationalized if those owners felt that there was too large a discrepancy between the value of the compensation offered and the market value of that property. This kind of situation would be likely to come about if US owners had massively underreported the value of their Cuban property to Cuban tax officials (perhaps with official blessing of the regime at the time). The response of the US to these compensation matters also has nothing to do with the fact that the then-sitting CIA Director, Allen Dulles, sat on the Board of Directors for at least one large US firm to have property nationalized in Cuba, namely the infamous United Fruit Company.

Before the revolution, underreporting taxable value saved money in taxes and thus put more of it back in the owner's pocket. After the revolution however, this meant that those owners would lose out in a compensation package offered by the new Cuban government as the value of the compensation offered would be substantially less than what the property would be worth on the market. US owners of Cuban property wanted to both receive the real value of their property, but also not thereby tacitly admit what Castro and the Cuban revolution had accused them of, namely taking advantage of Cuba and Cubans for their own private gain. This is a classic example of one not being able to have one's cake and eat it too. The refusal of the US to acknowledge this had lead to the lion's share of the trials and tribulations that have arisen as the US and Cuba attempt to normalize relations.

More:
http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/cuba-project-part-two.html#.WwDL4kgvzIV

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
39. Hard to take people seriously when they don't know the difference between a blockade & a embargo.
Mon May 21, 2018, 03:18 PM
May 2018

Cuba has no blockade.

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