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Sun May 20, 2018, 07:00 PM

DOJ responds to Trumps tweet calling for investigation into fbi/doj

Source: Jake tapper


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Also see Walter Schaubs comment under that thread:


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Another article: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/after-trump-tweets-demand-doj-says-ig-will-review-counterintelligence-work

Justice Department spokesperson Sarah Isgur Flores said in a statement she shared with TPM:

The Department has asked the Inspector General to expand the ongoing review of the FISA application process to include determining whether there was any impropriety or political motivation in how the FBI conducted its counterintelligence investigation of persons suspected of involvement with the Russian agents who interfered in the 2016 presidential election. As always, the Inspector General will consult with the appropriate U.S. Attorney if there is any evidence of potential criminal conduct.

She added the following statement from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein:

“If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action.”

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, announced in March that he would probe the FBI’s application for a surveillance warrant to suveil a member of Trump’s campaign — believed to be foreign policy adviser carter page.



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Reply DOJ responds to Trumps tweet calling for investigation into fbi/doj (Original post)
Clarity2 May 2018 OP
Freethinker65 May 2018 #1
FBaggins May 2018 #7
NYC Liberal May 2018 #24
FBaggins May 2018 #29
jberryhill May 2018 #27
FBaggins May 2018 #30
yonder May 2018 #31
forgotmylogin May 2018 #42
Freethinker65 May 2018 #44
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #51
Nitram May 2018 #47
Freethinker65 May 2018 #49
Nitram May 2018 #50
MattP May 2018 #2
Ligyron May 2018 #8
TimeSnowDemos May 2018 #3
Turbineguy May 2018 #4
DallasNE May 2018 #17
Turbineguy May 2018 #32
harun May 2018 #46
Clarity2 May 2018 #5
BigmanPigman May 2018 #18
MBS May 2018 #20
fierywoman May 2018 #6
StTimofEdenRoc May 2018 #11
notdarkyet May 2018 #41
Clarity2 May 2018 #15
LudwigPastorius May 2018 #9
Delphinus May 2018 #14
ananda May 2018 #10
fountainofyouth May 2018 #12
Arkansas Granny May 2018 #13
Sam McGee May 2018 #16
calimary May 2018 #23
Scarsdale May 2018 #39
Cold War Spook May 2018 #52
MBS May 2018 #19
SCantiGOP May 2018 #21
getagrip_already May 2018 #22
NBachers May 2018 #25
jberryhill May 2018 #26
Duppers May 2018 #36
mr_lebowski May 2018 #37
JohnnyRingo May 2018 #28
murielm99 May 2018 #33
rplcmint67 May 2018 #34
Honeycombe8 May 2018 #35
DeminPennswoods May 2018 #38
lark May 2018 #40
bucolic_frolic May 2018 #43
FSogol May 2018 #45
dajoki May 2018 #48

Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:04 PM

1. What a shame the FBI/DOJ felt the need to play along with this farce

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:19 PM

7. I don't think they really have a choice

They’re part of the executive branch and he’s the chief executive.

Moreover… I’ll go so far as to say that I think such an investigation is probably appropriate. I expect it to take very little time and find that the answer is “no - There is no evidence of any political motivation ”.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Sun May 20, 2018, 09:20 PM

24. And when they reach that conclusion, Orange Man will dismiss all involved as

partisan Democrats who are part of the Deep State(tm).

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #24)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:16 PM

29. Which wouldn't change their reported findings

And potentially expose him to impeachment

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:02 PM

27. Notice mention of the Russian agents who tried to undermine the election

 


That's stated as a fact, not a conjecture.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #27)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:25 PM

30. I don't think there's anyone of consequence who still doubts it

Wasn’t it even part of the Republican’s Senate report?

The open question is whether that “interference” (different from your “undermining”) impacted who won and whether the Trump campaign was complicit in the plan.


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Response to jberryhill (Reply #27)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:27 PM

31. +1

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:15 AM

42. I don't think it's a shame...

It sounds more like an "Of course this a thing we keep track of. Thank you for your request, it will be considered in line along with all the other things we're keeping track of."

It's basically the equivalent of a tech-support auto response to the Dontard's "I hereby demand...". "Hey, we received your request and they are dealt with in the order received, don't panic or pass the time holding your breath."

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:58 AM

44. I think it is a shame that the FBI/DOJ must waste time, and manpower to respond to the demand

The response can/will be twisted by Trump and supporters as "see, the FBI/DOJ do not even know if they follow their own policies....if they were sure they would have denied my request...but since they are going to investigate, policies must have been violated..." . The whole point of this exercise is to deflect the narrative away from Trump.

I never said I did not understand or appreciate the response from the FBI/DOJ to his request. The response was very good and appropriate.

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #44)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:53 AM

51. It's outrageous... sounds like more obstruction of justice to me!

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #1)

Mon May 21, 2018, 12:24 PM

47. DOJ is not "playing along." They are required by the law to follow certain procedures when requested

by the president, who is the head of the Executive Branch. It will be a long and thorough confirmation that the FBI followed the proper procedure, and the FISA Court gave them warrants based on evidence, not political considerations. Trump will become impatient and demand results that confirm his paranoid theories. The DOJ will continue their investigation for as long as it takes to complete, and then they will report to the Attorney General. Take a deep breath Free. We really don't want the DOJ to refuse to investigate matters that the president deems important. It is a waste of tax money, but that's Trump's call, not the DOJ's.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #47)

Mon May 21, 2018, 01:09 PM

49. Point taken. Playing along was not the best choice of words.

I did try to clarify my post (see above) indicating I was aware of why the FBI/DOJ had to respond to the demand and that I thought their response was very good.

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Response to Freethinker65 (Reply #49)

Tue May 22, 2018, 08:50 AM

50. Thanks!

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:08 PM

2. I just saw the clip from fox saying Clinton or Obama were behind the whole fbi going after Teump

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Response to MattP (Reply #2)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:23 PM

8. and their moronic deplorables will believe this.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:08 PM

3. Unsurprising

 

Corruption is one of those thing America is known for... sure, I haven't met an American in decades who thought the criminal justice system was unbiased... This is as I'd expect.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:09 PM

4. Actually, that's a good answer.

After all, other than wasting money on it, why worry? Plus, if other leads into trump's criminality result from it, cool.

If I were trump, I would not be egging them on.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #4)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:31 PM

17. I Agree

They are telling Trump "we have this under control and will adhere to due process" which deflects political pressure before it has a chance to build.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #17)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:40 PM

32. They'll be drilling the tunnel

from both ends and end up in the same spot.

Trump has an astonishing lack of knowledge how government works. Amazing really because he must have gone through the commercial building permit process a time or two.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #4)

Mon May 21, 2018, 10:34 AM

46. Correct

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:18 PM

5. Sorry for those that dont do twitter

Here’s a link to an article: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/20/1765806/-Rosenstein-responds-to-Trump-We-need-to-know-if-anyone-infiltrated-a-presidential-campaign

Also walter schaub tweeted:
”Referring it to the IG means it will go through a standardized process that could take a year or year and a half and will be insulated from the effort by the White House to politicize it.”

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Response to Clarity2 (Reply #5)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:34 PM

18. Shaub is experienced and knows his shit.

His response is reassuring. HE has ethics!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #18)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:36 PM

20. My reaction, too.

Expertise, knowledge, AND integrity.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:19 PM

6. Please forgive my ignorance, but does this move by the DoJ undermine Trump's threat

to do something tomorrow which could have a terrible fallout?

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #6)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:32 PM

11. By capitulating, and toughing it to the bureaucracy, it is harder to justify firing them.

 

so they bought time.
and who knows what a few days will bring.

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Response to StTimofEdenRoc (Reply #11)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:08 AM

41. I'm envisioning jR and Nunez in cuffs. That would shut trump up for awhile.

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Response to fierywoman (Reply #6)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:50 PM

15. They were on a digging expedition

for info on mueller’s investigation, so this appears to prevent them from getting their grubby hands on it.

However, trump personally will probably continue to politicize it with his tweets.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:24 PM

9. FBI to Trump:

We've got a backlog of potential crimes committed by you and your associates. Hope you don't mind if we investigate them first, before we start checking on your paranoid delusions.

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Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #9)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:49 PM

14. Love this!

Thanks!

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:30 PM

10. I see nothing wrong with this reply.

Isn't that exactly what Mueller's remit is anyway?

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:44 PM

12. GOOD

What Trump is trying to do is circumvent the IG's office and create a competing special counsel investigation. The IG's office will investigate and refute the ridiculous accusation as necessary.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 07:49 PM

13. And when it is determined that no laws were broken and that the FBI

acted appropriately, Trump will not accept the results and will accuse them of lying. Any investigation will be an exercise in futility.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:23 PM

16. It's a good answer

 

Professional. Does not address Trump's bullshit about Obama slipping a spy into his campaign. The FBI knows who their informant was and they know the informant was there to report on coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia -- and any other foreign entity. The DOJ IG will be told this and will have access to all the records. The DOJ IG will conclude there's nothing there. And Trump will go foaming-at-the-mouth, tire-biting, call-the-men-in-the-white-suits crazy.

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Response to Sam McGee (Reply #16)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:45 PM

23. Yep. Professional. That's what they're supposed to be.

trump isn’t accustomed to having to deal with anyone other than fellow scam artist and conjobbers and slick talkers.

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Response to calimary (Reply #23)

Mon May 21, 2018, 05:09 AM

39. And Russians, don't forget

them. Add Saudis and certain Jews too, like Bibi. Anyone who wants to see this country brought to its' knees.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #39)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:09 AM

52. Which certain Jews would that be?

 

Did you forget certain Christians and certain Muslims?

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:34 PM

19. Walter Shaub's response (OP) was especially reassuring. n/t

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:38 PM

21. My first thought:

Trump knows how DOJ will respond, but his base will love it if Trump uses this as the cause to fire Sessions/Rosenstein for insubordination.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 08:41 PM

22. Don't overlook "The Russian agents who interfered with the 2016".....

No equivocation in that statement. No "possible" or "alleged".

It's stated as fact.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #22)

Sun May 20, 2018, 09:57 PM

25. Yes- This is the statement that jumped out at me- conclusive and declaratory.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #22)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:01 PM

26. You got the real nugget in all of this

 


It's a fact.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #22)

Mon May 21, 2018, 12:30 AM

36. "...of persons suspected of involvement..."

Per spokeswoman statement.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #36)

Mon May 21, 2018, 03:24 AM

37. US persons are still 'suspected', Russian persons WERE involved ... (nt)

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:07 PM

28. He'll need an independent agency to perform the inquisition

Something separate from the deep state judiciary. Perhaps a paramilitary unit that wears a special uniform, like a black one with a red MAGA arm band. He can call them the SS for "Scourge Strike " Unit. It'll probably be another job for Jared.

Finally! Someone will start investigating Hillary for a change.

I used up all my sarcasm for one day.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 10:46 PM

33. The President's tweet!

Just think about how ridiculous that sounds. Just think about it.

Nothing is normal any more.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 11:06 PM

34. Filthy Don is running out of ways

 

to press his case the "Deep State" is after his criminal azz.

The Orange Marmalade weasel is scared.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2018, 11:08 PM

35. Yeah...I said at the outset that a DOJ head that meets w/Russians & lies about it, wouldn't have a

I thought from the outset that such a DOJ wouldn't have qualms about doing such an investigation.

Some law professor said the DOJ wouldn't do it, because it's political. Ha.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 03:41 AM

38. Paul Butler

was on MSNBC yesterday and essentially said the same thing, that Rosenstein could easily say DOJ's IG was already investigating.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:37 AM

40. Ah, I love the caveat, it's perfect.

"If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participnsts in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action."

Perfect. The surveilance and questions arose out of concern for criminal acts and so was totally appropriate.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:32 AM

43. "a presidential campaign"

He didn't say which one. Surely they are looking at both sides for moles.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 10:28 AM

45. I'm guessing money laundering and collusion with foreign powers is an appropriate reason.

Careful what you wish for Trumpy, you're launching more investigations into your and your cronies crimes. It is another "fire Comey" moment and Trumpy will do the wrong thing again.

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Response to Clarity2 (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 12:26 PM

48. What a joke...

we are now being governed by tweets from a moron. I know these are official wh statements and I hope Mr. Mueller has all of them.

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