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Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:00 PM May 2018

DOJ responds to Trumps tweet calling for investigation into fbi/doj

Source: Jake tapper


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Also see Walter Schaubs comment under that thread:


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Another article: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/after-trump-tweets-demand-doj-says-ig-will-review-counterintelligence-work

Justice Department spokesperson Sarah Isgur Flores said in a statement she shared with TPM:

The Department has asked the Inspector General to expand the ongoing review of the FISA application process to include determining whether there was any impropriety or political motivation in how the FBI conducted its counterintelligence investigation of persons suspected of involvement with the Russian agents who interfered in the 2016 presidential election. As always, the Inspector General will consult with the appropriate U.S. Attorney if there is any evidence of potential criminal conduct.

She added the following statement from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein:

“If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action.”

The Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, announced in March that he would probe the FBI’s application for a surveillance warrant to suveil a member of Trump’s campaign — believed to be foreign policy adviser carter page.



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DOJ responds to Trumps tweet calling for investigation into fbi/doj (Original Post) Clarity2 May 2018 OP
What a shame the FBI/DOJ felt the need to play along with this farce Freethinker65 May 2018 #1
I don't think they really have a choice FBaggins May 2018 #7
And when they reach that conclusion, Orange Man will dismiss all involved as NYC Liberal May 2018 #24
Which wouldn't change their reported findings FBaggins May 2018 #29
Notice mention of the Russian agents who tried to undermine the election jberryhill May 2018 #27
I don't think there's anyone of consequence who still doubts it FBaggins May 2018 #30
+1 yonder May 2018 #31
I don't think it's a shame... forgotmylogin May 2018 #42
I think it is a shame that the FBI/DOJ must waste time, and manpower to respond to the demand Freethinker65 May 2018 #44
It's outrageous... sounds like more obstruction of justice to me! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #51
DOJ is not "playing along." They are required by the law to follow certain procedures when requested Nitram May 2018 #47
Point taken. Playing along was not the best choice of words. Freethinker65 May 2018 #49
Thanks! Nitram May 2018 #50
I just saw the clip from fox saying Clinton or Obama were behind the whole fbi going after Teump MattP May 2018 #2
and their moronic deplorables will believe this. Ligyron May 2018 #8
Unsurprising TimeSnowDemos May 2018 #3
Actually, that's a good answer. Turbineguy May 2018 #4
I Agree DallasNE May 2018 #17
They'll be drilling the tunnel Turbineguy May 2018 #32
Correct harun May 2018 #46
Sorry for those that dont do twitter Clarity2 May 2018 #5
Shaub is experienced and knows his shit. BigmanPigman May 2018 #18
My reaction, too. MBS May 2018 #20
Please forgive my ignorance, but does this move by the DoJ undermine Trump's threat fierywoman May 2018 #6
By capitulating, and toughing it to the bureaucracy, it is harder to justify firing them. StTimofEdenRoc May 2018 #11
I'm envisioning jR and Nunez in cuffs. That would shut trump up for awhile. notdarkyet May 2018 #41
They were on a digging expedition Clarity2 May 2018 #15
FBI to Trump: LudwigPastorius May 2018 #9
Love this! Delphinus May 2018 #14
I see nothing wrong with this reply. ananda May 2018 #10
GOOD fountainofyouth May 2018 #12
And when it is determined that no laws were broken and that the FBI Arkansas Granny May 2018 #13
It's a good answer Sam McGee May 2018 #16
Yep. Professional. That's what they're supposed to be. calimary May 2018 #23
And Russians, don't forget Scarsdale May 2018 #39
Which certain Jews would that be? Cold War Spook May 2018 #52
Walter Shaub's response (OP) was especially reassuring. n/t MBS May 2018 #19
My first thought: SCantiGOP May 2018 #21
Don't overlook "The Russian agents who interfered with the 2016"..... getagrip_already May 2018 #22
Yes- This is the statement that jumped out at me- conclusive and declaratory. NBachers May 2018 #25
You got the real nugget in all of this jberryhill May 2018 #26
"...of persons suspected of involvement..." Duppers May 2018 #36
US persons are still 'suspected', Russian persons WERE involved ... (nt) mr_lebowski May 2018 #37
He'll need an independent agency to perform the inquisition JohnnyRingo May 2018 #28
The President's tweet! murielm99 May 2018 #33
Filthy Don is running out of ways rplcmint67 May 2018 #34
Yeah...I said at the outset that a DOJ head that meets w/Russians & lies about it, wouldn't have a Honeycombe8 May 2018 #35
Paul Butler DeminPennswoods May 2018 #38
Ah, I love the caveat, it's perfect. lark May 2018 #40
"a presidential campaign" bucolic_frolic May 2018 #43
I'm guessing money laundering and collusion with foreign powers is an appropriate reason. FSogol May 2018 #45
What a joke... dajoki May 2018 #48

FBaggins

(26,681 posts)
7. I don't think they really have a choice
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:19 PM
May 2018

They’re part of the executive branch and he’s the chief executive.

Moreover… I’ll go so far as to say that I think such an investigation is probably appropriate. I expect it to take very little time and find that the answer is “no - There is no evidence of any political motivation ”.

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
24. And when they reach that conclusion, Orange Man will dismiss all involved as
Sun May 20, 2018, 10:20 PM
May 2018

partisan Democrats who are part of the Deep State(tm).

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. Notice mention of the Russian agents who tried to undermine the election
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:02 PM
May 2018

That's stated as a fact, not a conjecture.

FBaggins

(26,681 posts)
30. I don't think there's anyone of consequence who still doubts it
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:25 PM
May 2018

Wasn’t it even part of the Republican’s Senate report?

The open question is whether that “interference” (different from your “undermining”) impacted who won and whether the Trump campaign was complicit in the plan.


forgotmylogin

(7,492 posts)
42. I don't think it's a shame...
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:15 AM
May 2018

It sounds more like an "Of course this a thing we keep track of. Thank you for your request, it will be considered in line along with all the other things we're keeping track of."

It's basically the equivalent of a tech-support auto response to the Dontard's "I hereby demand...". "Hey, we received your request and they are dealt with in the order received, don't panic or pass the time holding your breath."

Freethinker65

(9,904 posts)
44. I think it is a shame that the FBI/DOJ must waste time, and manpower to respond to the demand
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:58 AM
May 2018

The response can/will be twisted by Trump and supporters as "see, the FBI/DOJ do not even know if they follow their own policies....if they were sure they would have denied my request...but since they are going to investigate, policies must have been violated..." . The whole point of this exercise is to deflect the narrative away from Trump.

I never said I did not understand or appreciate the response from the FBI/DOJ to his request. The response was very good and appropriate.

Nitram

(22,614 posts)
47. DOJ is not "playing along." They are required by the law to follow certain procedures when requested
Mon May 21, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

by the president, who is the head of the Executive Branch. It will be a long and thorough confirmation that the FBI followed the proper procedure, and the FISA Court gave them warrants based on evidence, not political considerations. Trump will become impatient and demand results that confirm his paranoid theories. The DOJ will continue their investigation for as long as it takes to complete, and then they will report to the Attorney General. Take a deep breath Free. We really don't want the DOJ to refuse to investigate matters that the president deems important. It is a waste of tax money, but that's Trump's call, not the DOJ's.

Freethinker65

(9,904 posts)
49. Point taken. Playing along was not the best choice of words.
Mon May 21, 2018, 02:09 PM
May 2018

I did try to clarify my post (see above) indicating I was aware of why the FBI/DOJ had to respond to the demand and that I thought their response was very good.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
3. Unsurprising
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:08 PM
May 2018

Corruption is one of those thing America is known for... sure, I haven't met an American in decades who thought the criminal justice system was unbiased... This is as I'd expect.

Turbineguy

(37,127 posts)
4. Actually, that's a good answer.
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:09 PM
May 2018

After all, other than wasting money on it, why worry? Plus, if other leads into trump's criminality result from it, cool.

If I were trump, I would not be egging them on.

DallasNE

(7,390 posts)
17. I Agree
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:31 PM
May 2018

They are telling Trump "we have this under control and will adhere to due process" which deflects political pressure before it has a chance to build.

Turbineguy

(37,127 posts)
32. They'll be drilling the tunnel
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:40 PM
May 2018

from both ends and end up in the same spot.

Trump has an astonishing lack of knowledge how government works. Amazing really because he must have gone through the commercial building permit process a time or two.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
5. Sorry for those that dont do twitter
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:18 PM
May 2018

Here’s a link to an article: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/20/1765806/-Rosenstein-responds-to-Trump-We-need-to-know-if-anyone-infiltrated-a-presidential-campaign

Also walter schaub tweeted:

”Referring it to the IG means it will go through a standardized process that could take a year or year and a half and will be insulated from the effort by the White House to politicize it.”

fierywoman

(7,629 posts)
6. Please forgive my ignorance, but does this move by the DoJ undermine Trump's threat
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:19 PM
May 2018

to do something tomorrow which could have a terrible fallout?

 

StTimofEdenRoc

(445 posts)
11. By capitulating, and toughing it to the bureaucracy, it is harder to justify firing them.
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:32 PM
May 2018

so they bought time.
and who knows what a few days will bring.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
15. They were on a digging expedition
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:50 PM
May 2018

for info on mueller’s investigation, so this appears to prevent them from getting their grubby hands on it.

However, trump personally will probably continue to politicize it with his tweets.

LudwigPastorius

(8,899 posts)
9. FBI to Trump:
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:24 PM
May 2018

We've got a backlog of potential crimes committed by you and your associates. Hope you don't mind if we investigate them first, before we start checking on your paranoid delusions.

fountainofyouth

(409 posts)
12. GOOD
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:44 PM
May 2018

What Trump is trying to do is circumvent the IG's office and create a competing special counsel investigation. The IG's office will investigate and refute the ridiculous accusation as necessary.

Arkansas Granny

(31,477 posts)
13. And when it is determined that no laws were broken and that the FBI
Sun May 20, 2018, 08:49 PM
May 2018

acted appropriately, Trump will not accept the results and will accuse them of lying. Any investigation will be an exercise in futility.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
16. It's a good answer
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:23 PM
May 2018

Professional. Does not address Trump's bullshit about Obama slipping a spy into his campaign. The FBI knows who their informant was and they know the informant was there to report on coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia -- and any other foreign entity. The DOJ IG will be told this and will have access to all the records. The DOJ IG will conclude there's nothing there. And Trump will go foaming-at-the-mouth, tire-biting, call-the-men-in-the-white-suits crazy.

calimary

(80,522 posts)
23. Yep. Professional. That's what they're supposed to be.
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:45 PM
May 2018

trump isn’t accustomed to having to deal with anyone other than fellow scam artist and conjobbers and slick talkers.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
39. And Russians, don't forget
Mon May 21, 2018, 06:09 AM
May 2018

them. Add Saudis and certain Jews too, like Bibi. Anyone who wants to see this country brought to its' knees.

SCantiGOP

(13,841 posts)
21. My first thought:
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:38 PM
May 2018

Trump knows how DOJ will respond, but his base will love it if Trump uses this as the cause to fire Sessions/Rosenstein for insubordination.

getagrip_already

(14,082 posts)
22. Don't overlook "The Russian agents who interfered with the 2016".....
Sun May 20, 2018, 09:41 PM
May 2018

No equivocation in that statement. No "possible" or "alleged".

It's stated as fact.

JohnnyRingo

(18,563 posts)
28. He'll need an independent agency to perform the inquisition
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:07 PM
May 2018

Something separate from the deep state judiciary. Perhaps a paramilitary unit that wears a special uniform, like a black one with a red MAGA arm band. He can call them the SS for "Scourge Strike " Unit. It'll probably be another job for Jared.

Finally! Someone will start investigating Hillary for a change.

I used up all my sarcasm for one day.

murielm99

(30,617 posts)
33. The President's tweet!
Sun May 20, 2018, 11:46 PM
May 2018

Just think about how ridiculous that sounds. Just think about it.

Nothing is normal any more.

 

rplcmint67

(19 posts)
34. Filthy Don is running out of ways
Mon May 21, 2018, 12:06 AM
May 2018

to press his case the "Deep State" is after his criminal azz.

The Orange Marmalade weasel is scared.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. Yeah...I said at the outset that a DOJ head that meets w/Russians & lies about it, wouldn't have a
Mon May 21, 2018, 12:08 AM
May 2018

I thought from the outset that such a DOJ wouldn't have qualms about doing such an investigation.

Some law professor said the DOJ wouldn't do it, because it's political. Ha.

DeminPennswoods

(15,240 posts)
38. Paul Butler
Mon May 21, 2018, 04:41 AM
May 2018

was on MSNBC yesterday and essentially said the same thing, that Rosenstein could easily say DOJ's IG was already investigating.

lark

(22,941 posts)
40. Ah, I love the caveat, it's perfect.
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:37 AM
May 2018

"If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participnsts in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action."

Perfect. The surveilance and questions arose out of concern for criminal acts and so was totally appropriate.

FSogol

(45,312 posts)
45. I'm guessing money laundering and collusion with foreign powers is an appropriate reason.
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:28 AM
May 2018

Careful what you wish for Trumpy, you're launching more investigations into your and your cronies crimes. It is another "fire Comey" moment and Trumpy will do the wrong thing again.

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
48. What a joke...
Mon May 21, 2018, 01:26 PM
May 2018

we are now being governed by tweets from a moron. I know these are official wh statements and I hope Mr. Mueller has all of them.

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