Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination
Source: Politico
Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont but he wont accept it if he wins.
The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that hell pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.
The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the partys nod. And it allows Sanders to loom large in the party primary in August, but still preserve his independence.
But the move also comes at a time when Sanders supporters are pushing for changes to the presidential nominating process as part of the Democratic National Committee unity reform commission. One priority is to open up the partys primaries to voters who arent registered as Democrats.
Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-vermont-601844
Shipwack
(2,292 posts)brush
(56,955 posts)A maneuver which would've destroyed the party and made us a national laughing stock.
Can you imagine our nominee rejecting our nomination to run instead as an independent?
We dodged that bullet but you can bet he's going to try it again.
He won't get close this time though. Too many are tired of his charades and there will be too many younger, attractive, actual Democrats running.
Been there and done that, Senator.
WhiteTara
(30,106 posts)from the article. We are being played again and again. I'm sure he's afraid if he had to face a real democrat he would lose, just like all his candidate picks and his revolution.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Do you realize in 2006 the Vermont Democratic party essentially stepped aside when he was a non-incumbent mind you, and did not oppose him for that US Senate seat?
He is currently the most popular Senator running for re-election this year in his home state.
https://morningconsult.com/2018/05/21/as-midterms-approach-bernie-sanders-on-safest-ground-among-senate-incumbents/
The Vermont Democratic party knows there is no point in opposing him, even 12 years ago. Do you think they are engaged in some sort of conspiracy?
WhiteTara
(30,106 posts)I think we are being used, that's all.
George II
(67,782 posts)He had ~200,000 in his last election, 2012, IN HIS HOME STATE, the 49th LEAST diverse state in the country.
To contrast that, Dianne Feinstein had 7,800,000 - FORTY TIMES as many votes in one of the most diverse states in the country.
So tell me more about being "popular", please.
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)When you apply to be on the ballot, there is a promise to run on that ticket if nominated. Sanders would be breaking that promise.
shanny
(6,709 posts)since he first ran for the Senate.
Clearly you are not aware that clearly they don't have a problem with it.
It is hard to understand but one would almost think that some would rather split the left vote and let a puke win.
Gothmog
(153,634 posts)If Sanders withdraws as the nominee of the party, then the party needs to replace him on the ballot
shanny
(6,709 posts)and clearly don't have a problem with.
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)The Democrats who are actually in power (i.e. his fellow Senators, the members of the DNC, the Vermont Democratic Party, etc.) have no problem with this. They support him. He gets committee positions. etc.
IMO, people here complaining about it are looking at this as a spectator sport, doing the equivalent of painting their faces the colors of their favorite team, while criticizing the things the team's ownership and management are doing that actually bring victory.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)see, I can play that silly game too.
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)It seems clearly factual to me. They put out public statements of support. They give him committee positions. They don't look to primary him. etc. They know what they're getting, and they're fine with it. Just as they're fine with some red state Dems who may not be as progressive as some of us would like. They get the big picture.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)because he's as real as it gets. Bernie is popular among Democrats for a reason, including the fact that he votes with the Democrats more than any other Democrat votes with the Democrats. If that does not make Bernie fo' real, I don't know what does.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,842 posts)No one cared before, hes always been one of the most beloved senators around here. Why would anyone care now?
Oh, right.
George II
(67,782 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And that he was a Democrat from now on.
You want another reason besides that one?
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)Also please see post#45
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)...a promise from Bernie Sanders. So it fails to support your assertion in two ways.
So do you have a link to anything that would be Sanders' own words?
And further, expressed as an actual promise? Promising/pledging to do something is not the same as expecting or intending to do something. (Heck, Hillary said she wouldn't run, as I recall.)
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)he did not correct it.
thesquanderer
(12,277 posts)...should have been interpreted as a PROMISE directly from Hillary? Even if she were never asked to confirm it? I think that would have been an unfair assumption.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)This is a surprise to you? Come on.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)luc mont
(70 posts)Wearing the 'D' is beneath you, Senator? Then fuck off!
Me.
(35,454 posts)Bucky
(55,334 posts)I love Bernie for how he stands up to the corporatization that's overrunning our economy and the privatization that's neutering our government. But this nuance is just kookoo for cocopuffs
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)But when people discovered Bernie Sanders existed in the spring of 2015, it's now an issue and "he's up to something".
By the way, lest anyone make any accusations, I'll shut that shit down now. I voted for Hillary in the primaries. Thanks.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And the Vermont state party is clueless about how they should be standing up to this.
msongs
(69,837 posts)dlk
(12,231 posts)He seems to like Democratic resources but isn't interested in contributing to the Party. If he wants to be a Democrat, fine. If he doesn't, then he needs to stop utilizing the Democratic platform and resources--enough already!
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Especially when you uphold it more than West Virginia Joe and North Dakota Heidi.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)but that's just me.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)If the people of Vermont are not happy with the rules of their system, they can move to change them.
truthisfreedom
(23,309 posts)And Id vote for Hillary again too. And Michelle. And Oprah.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)From the linked article:
"The Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution over the weekend
supporting Sanders move ..."
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,508 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And thats supposed to be progressive?
mac56
(17,607 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)good.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)But thanks for playing.
You're wrong --- again.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I'm just putting you on 'ignore'.
Bye !
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)A good point.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's fun to pretend that mere discussion is actually telling the Vermont Democrats what to do... I'd pretend it's a good point too if my bias depended on it.
Accuracy just isn't progressive enough.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I don't think discussion is akin to a command.
More accurately, "who are we to discuss what the candidates and voters of Vermont are doing?" But I get that accuracy doesn't quite assist your sentiment in this case.
mcar
(43,341 posts)CaptainTruth
(7,151 posts)When he's done using the party to further his goals, he removes the D.
That just doesn't sit right with me.
Either be a Democrat or don't be a Democrat, it's not complicated.
Me.
(35,454 posts)iluvtennis
(20,685 posts)I never like Bernie and this is another datapoint for why. GAH
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)And work within the party there to change the rules.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or discuss it on a message board...
Seems you little fellas are having difficulty with the concept of discussion and exchange of ideas these days, and act rather piqued when sacred cows become the target of discussion.
I doubt you'll ever apply your sentiment to all thing political and international. It would be a hoot if in a thread on Putin, your melodrama gets the better of you again and you tell everyone "move to St Petersburg if you don't like what they're doing!"
Bias precludes consistency of rational thought. Good luck!
iluvtennis
(20,685 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)karynnj
(59,876 posts)Not to mention in Vermont, you do not register by party - the question is not even asked. In each primary, you take whichever ballot you want - but only one.
Frankly, in Vermont, even if Sanders was NOT on the ballot, he would likely win the Democratic nomination by write in given the fact that there is no solid opponent.
pnwmom
(109,435 posts)pnwmom
(109,435 posts)still_one
(95,621 posts)FORGET IT.
KPN
(16,024 posts)in 2015? Easy -- the establishment wasn't afraid of Sanders at the time. Now the fact that Bernie runs once again in the primary -- the only way he can (well he could run as an R) -- in a blue State that obviously isn't bothered by that or him being Independent, is portrayed as deceptive and underhanded on Sanders' part. Pretty obvious the hit is on early. Kneecap him now.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)We shouldnt care about that in your world I guess?
KPN
(16,024 posts)What was the context?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sanders always votes with the D party in Senate anyway.
So many other seats to worry about these midterms- if Ds lose a few states and don't gain just a few congress & senate positions...... RW will be in charge of America for a couple generations.
It won't even matter if a D manages to get in the White house in 2020. We'll be a 2 class society.. haves & have nots.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)KPN
(16,024 posts)say exactly?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)It is very much a political hit piece as you describe.
KPN
(16,024 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)good for people to learn how state elections work imo.
melm00se
(5,044 posts)Actions or labels?
Bernie Sanders progressive ranking
If you fall into the "label is more important" then would you support Doug Jones (D-AL), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Joe Donnelly (D-IN) and Mark Warner (D-VA)? Bear in mind all 5 were rated "F" in the above scorecard.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)KPN
(16,024 posts)How so?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)You realize that straw men and other logical fallacies and pretending you dont understand what someone else is saying hurts your credibility right?
KPN
(16,024 posts)I could just as aptly -- or inaptly -- use the very same same sentence in response.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Actions are much more important.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and has stated he won't ever be a true DEMOCRAT. He's a Socialist and that's it.
onetexan
(13,755 posts)guy's a fraud far as i'm concerned. He should never be allowed to run as a Dem again.
Paladin
(28,699 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)from whoring the hell out of his angry "PRIMARY OBAMA!" campaign in 2012...
Oh, you thought I'd forgotten about that?