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Jose Garcia

(2,698 posts)
Mon May 21, 2018, 07:54 PM May 2018

Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination

Source: Politico

Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont — but he won’t accept it if he wins.

The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that he’ll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.

The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the party’s nod. And it allows Sanders to loom large in the party primary in August, but still preserve his independence.

But the move also comes at a time when Sanders supporters are pushing for changes to the presidential nominating process as part of the Democratic National Committee unity reform commission. One priority is to open up the party’s primaries to voters who aren’t registered as Democrats.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-vermont-601844

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Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination (Original Post) Jose Garcia May 2018 OP
WTF? NT Shipwack May 2018 #1
Think. He'd have done this if he'd won our presidential nom. in 2016. brush May 2018 #2
He does this in lots of elections it seems WhiteTara May 2018 #4
I'm sorry, but you'd be wrong RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #7
No, RIO WhiteTara May 2018 #19
"...the most popular Senator running for re-election this year IN HIS HOME STATE"!!! George II May 2018 #25
The Party should replace sanders on the ballot if he pulls this stunt Gothmog May 2018 #34
The Party has been going along with This Stunt shanny May 2018 #35
The Vermont party is making a major mistake Gothmog May 2018 #42
A "mistake" they have made before shanny May 2018 #43
Bingo. "Real" Democrats are fine with this. thesquanderer May 2018 #45
No, they're not. No "real" Democrats are OK with this stevenleser May 2018 #55
What silly game? I explained what I meant by "real Dems" in first line. thesquanderer May 2018 #61
Bingo is right!! Those Democrats you describe support Bernie as a Democrat InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #76
That's what he's done the whole time. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #3
"around here"? Around where? George II May 2018 #26
You mean besides the fact that he promised not to do it? stevenleser May 2018 #31
Link for those claims, please? thesquanderer May 2018 #46
Here you go stevenleser May 2018 #52
An interview comment from Jeff Weaver does not equal... thesquanderer May 2018 #62
Yes, it does equal a promise from Bernie Sanders. That's how that works, particularly since stevenleser May 2018 #66
So anything a Hillary spokesperson said during the campaign... thesquanderer May 2018 #70
Correct, that's how that works. Particularly if the candidate doesn't correct it. stevenleser May 2018 #73
Oh, right is right!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #77
I think this is a duplicate thread of this one flibbitygiblets May 2018 #5
Go Home and Stay There, Bernie luc mont May 2018 #6
WEll Welcome To You luc mont Me. May 2018 #29
What does this even mean? Bucky May 2018 #8
It means nothing. The Vermont Democratic party has been fine with this since the early 90's RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #10
It's a big middle finger to anyone who cares about the Democratic Party stevenleser May 2018 #57
only democrats in the democratic primary. which real democrats will run in this primary nt msongs May 2018 #9
It's Really Past Time for Bernie to Make a Decision or Get Off the Potty dlk May 2018 #11
I didn't realizing using the Democratic platform wastes money..... RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #12
Using the Democratic Primary system and then throwing away the results sounds like a waste of money SFnomad May 2018 #17
Precisely Sherman A1 May 2018 #38
Interesting logic. I'd vote for him in a primary again truthisfreedom May 2018 #13
Who are we to tell Vermont what to do? left-of-center2012 May 2018 #14
IKR!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #28
So everyone else should shut up? You're against free speech? stevenleser May 2018 #32
You're enjoying this, aren't you? mac56 May 2018 #37
Thanks for the laugh ! left-of-center2012 May 2018 #50
Ok so you are taking it back and everyone's opinion on this is valuable stevenleser May 2018 #56
Oh hell no ! left-of-center2012 May 2018 #58
So you really are telling everyone else to shut up. Thanks for clarifying. nt stevenleser May 2018 #59
Oh hell no #2 left-of-center2012 May 2018 #60
Oh hell yes. If you can't defend your position, maybe your position is the issue. nt stevenleser May 2018 #68
Yup Sherman A1 May 2018 #39
I'd pretend it's a good point too if my bias depended on it. LanternWaste May 2018 #71
I don't think discussion is akin to a command. LanternWaste May 2018 #69
What? mcar May 2018 #15
It looks to me like he puts a D after his name when he wants to use party resources. CaptainTruth May 2018 #16
Bammo Bingo Me. May 2018 #30
Shouldn't be allowed. Either you run as Democrat or you run independent. iluvtennis May 2018 #18
Then move to Vermont Sherman A1 May 2018 #40
Or discuss it on a message board... LanternWaste May 2018 #72
Like iluvtennis May 2018 #82
Rank Choice Voting could be the answer. Equinox Moon May 2018 #20
I don't get the last paragraph - there have long been states with open primaries karynnj May 2018 #21
He wants all states to have open primaries. nt pnwmom May 2018 #22
The Vermont party should require its candidates to accept the nomination if they win. nt pnwmom May 2018 #23
As far as I am concerned if he has any presidential ambitions in 2020 to run as a Democrat, he can still_one May 2018 #24
Another Politico hitpiece. Why didn't this come up KPN May 2018 #27
You mean besides the fact that in 2016 he promised he was a Democrat to stay? stevenleser May 2018 #33
Did he? What did he say exactly and when? KPN May 2018 #36
as I remember Sanders exact statement- he said "Stay in the Democratic party" Sunlei May 2018 #47
Here you go stevenleser May 2018 #53
Didn't answer the question. What did Sanders KPN May 2018 #63
As with all politicians, their campaign staff relays promises from them. That is a Sanders promise. stevenleser May 2018 #67
Precisely Sherman A1 May 2018 #41
Yup -- all political. KPN May 2018 #64
same as " in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races" Sunlei May 2018 #44
Which is more important? melm00se May 2018 #48
Labels. Without solidarity in the party you get Trump and George W Bush. nt stevenleser May 2018 #54
So lack of labels gave us Trump and GW? KPN May 2018 #65
Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. stevenleser May 2018 #74
Lol. Hurts my credibility?! That's rich. KPN May 2018 #75
By all means continue to play the straw man game. Nt stevenleser May 2018 #83
Well said! Sherman A1 May 2018 #79
he is not a democrat heaven05 May 2018 #49
spot on onetexan May 2018 #81
Thanks for nothing, Bernie. As usual. (nt) Paladin May 2018 #51
If true, he just lost one person who was open minded about him. HopeAgain May 2018 #78
Just remember that success, excellence, etc. wasn't enough to stop Bernie Blue_Tires May 2018 #80
I assume this is to avoid a three way race? -nt Bradical79 May 2018 #84

brush

(55,088 posts)
2. Think. He'd have done this if he'd won our presidential nom. in 2016.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

A maneuver which would've destroyed the party and made us a national laughing stock.

Can you imagine our nominee rejecting our nomination to run instead as an independent?

We dodged that bullet but you can bet he's going to try it again.

He won't get close this time though. Too many are tired of his charades and there will be too many younger, attractive, actual Democrats running.

Been there and done that, Senator.

WhiteTara

(29,814 posts)
4. He does this in lots of elections it seems
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:16 PM
May 2018

from the article. We are being played again and again. I'm sure he's afraid if he had to face a real democrat he would lose, just like all his candidate picks and his revolution.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
7. I'm sorry, but you'd be wrong
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:34 PM
May 2018

Do you realize in 2006 the Vermont Democratic party essentially stepped aside when he was a non-incumbent mind you, and did not oppose him for that US Senate seat?

He is currently the most popular Senator running for re-election this year in his home state.

https://morningconsult.com/2018/05/21/as-midterms-approach-bernie-sanders-on-safest-ground-among-senate-incumbents/

The Vermont Democratic party knows there is no point in opposing him, even 12 years ago. Do you think they are engaged in some sort of conspiracy?

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. "...the most popular Senator running for re-election this year IN HIS HOME STATE"!!!
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:03 PM
May 2018

He had ~200,000 in his last election, 2012, IN HIS HOME STATE, the 49th LEAST diverse state in the country.

To contrast that, Dianne Feinstein had 7,800,000 - FORTY TIMES as many votes in one of the most diverse states in the country.

So tell me more about being "popular", please.

Gothmog

(148,709 posts)
34. The Party should replace sanders on the ballot if he pulls this stunt
Tue May 22, 2018, 12:16 AM
May 2018

When you apply to be on the ballot, there is a promise to run on that ticket if nominated. Sanders would be breaking that promise.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
35. The Party has been going along with This Stunt
Tue May 22, 2018, 12:23 AM
May 2018

since he first ran for the Senate.

Clearly you are not aware that clearly they don't have a problem with it.





It is hard to understand but one would almost think that some would rather split the left vote and let a puke win.

Gothmog

(148,709 posts)
42. The Vermont party is making a major mistake
Tue May 22, 2018, 06:52 AM
May 2018

If Sanders withdraws as the nominee of the party, then the party needs to replace him on the ballot

thesquanderer

(12,142 posts)
45. Bingo. "Real" Democrats are fine with this.
Tue May 22, 2018, 07:01 AM
May 2018

The Democrats who are actually in power (i.e. his fellow Senators, the members of the DNC, the Vermont Democratic Party, etc.) have no problem with this. They support him. He gets committee positions. etc.

IMO, people here complaining about it are looking at this as a spectator sport, doing the equivalent of painting their faces the colors of their favorite team, while criticizing the things the team's ownership and management are doing that actually bring victory.

thesquanderer

(12,142 posts)
61. What silly game? I explained what I meant by "real Dems" in first line.
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:59 AM
May 2018

It seems clearly factual to me. They put out public statements of support. They give him committee positions. They don't look to primary him. etc. They know what they're getting, and they're fine with it. Just as they're fine with some red state Dems who may not be as progressive as some of us would like. They get the big picture.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,327 posts)
76. Bingo is right!! Those Democrats you describe support Bernie as a Democrat
Tue May 22, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

because he's as real as it gets. Bernie is popular among Democrats for a reason, including the fact that he votes with the Democrats more than any other Democrat votes with the Democrats. If that does not make Bernie fo' real, I don't know what does.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,601 posts)
3. That's what he's done the whole time.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:05 PM
May 2018

No one cared before, he’s always been one of the most beloved senators around here. Why would anyone care now?

Oh, right.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
31. You mean besides the fact that he promised not to do it?
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:55 PM
May 2018

And that he was a Democrat from now on.

You want another reason besides that one?

thesquanderer

(12,142 posts)
62. An interview comment from Jeff Weaver does not equal...
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:14 AM
May 2018

...a promise from Bernie Sanders. So it fails to support your assertion in two ways.

So do you have a link to anything that would be Sanders' own words?

And further, expressed as an actual promise? Promising/pledging to do something is not the same as expecting or intending to do something. (Heck, Hillary said she wouldn't run, as I recall.)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
66. Yes, it does equal a promise from Bernie Sanders. That's how that works, particularly since
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:57 AM
May 2018

he did not correct it.

thesquanderer

(12,142 posts)
70. So anything a Hillary spokesperson said during the campaign...
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:05 AM
May 2018

...should have been interpreted as a PROMISE directly from Hillary? Even if she were never asked to confirm it? I think that would have been an unfair assumption.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
73. Correct, that's how that works. Particularly if the candidate doesn't correct it.
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:38 AM
May 2018

This is a surprise to you? Come on.

Bucky

(54,493 posts)
8. What does this even mean?
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:34 PM
May 2018

I love Bernie for how he stands up to the corporatization that's overrunning our economy and the privatization that's neutering our government. But this nuance is just kookoo for cocopuffs

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
10. It means nothing. The Vermont Democratic party has been fine with this since the early 90's
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:37 PM
May 2018

But when people discovered Bernie Sanders existed in the spring of 2015, it's now an issue and "he's up to something".

By the way, lest anyone make any accusations, I'll shut that shit down now. I voted for Hillary in the primaries. Thanks.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
57. It's a big middle finger to anyone who cares about the Democratic Party
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:53 AM
May 2018

And the Vermont state party is clueless about how they should be standing up to this.

dlk

(11,846 posts)
11. It's Really Past Time for Bernie to Make a Decision or Get Off the Potty
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:44 PM
May 2018

He seems to like Democratic resources but isn't interested in contributing to the Party. If he wants to be a Democrat, fine. If he doesn't, then he needs to stop utilizing the Democratic platform and resources--enough already!

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
12. I didn't realizing using the Democratic platform wastes money.....
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:58 PM
May 2018

Especially when you uphold it more than West Virginia Joe and North Dakota Heidi.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
17. Using the Democratic Primary system and then throwing away the results sounds like a waste of money
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:16 PM
May 2018

but that's just me.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
38. Precisely
Tue May 22, 2018, 06:43 AM
May 2018

If the people of Vermont are not happy with the rules of their system, they can move to change them.

truthisfreedom

(23,229 posts)
13. Interesting logic. I'd vote for him in a primary again
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:02 PM
May 2018

And I’d vote for Hillary again too. And Michelle. And Oprah.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
14. Who are we to tell Vermont what to do?
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:03 PM
May 2018

From the linked article:

"The Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution over the weekend
supporting Sanders’ move ..."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
71. I'd pretend it's a good point too if my bias depended on it.
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:06 AM
May 2018

It's fun to pretend that mere discussion is actually telling the Vermont Democrats what to do... I'd pretend it's a good point too if my bias depended on it.

Accuracy just isn't progressive enough.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
69. I don't think discussion is akin to a command.
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:03 AM
May 2018

I don't think discussion is akin to a command.

More accurately, "who are we to discuss what the candidates and voters of Vermont are doing?" But I get that accuracy doesn't quite assist your sentiment in this case.

CaptainTruth

(6,829 posts)
16. It looks to me like he puts a D after his name when he wants to use party resources.
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:08 PM
May 2018

When he's done using the party to further his goals, he removes the D.

That just doesn't sit right with me.

Either be a Democrat or don't be a Democrat, it's not complicated.

iluvtennis

(20,136 posts)
18. Shouldn't be allowed. Either you run as Democrat or you run independent.
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:26 PM
May 2018

I never like Bernie and this is another datapoint for why. GAH

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
72. Or discuss it on a message board...
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:09 AM
May 2018

Or discuss it on a message board...

Seems you little fellas are having difficulty with the concept of discussion and exchange of ideas these days, and act rather piqued when sacred cows become the target of discussion.

I doubt you'll ever apply your sentiment to all thing political and international. It would be a hoot if in a thread on Putin, your melodrama gets the better of you again and you tell everyone "move to St Petersburg if you don't like what they're doing!"

Bias precludes consistency of rational thought. Good luck!

karynnj

(59,609 posts)
21. I don't get the last paragraph - there have long been states with open primaries
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:25 PM
May 2018

Not to mention in Vermont, you do not register by party - the question is not even asked. In each primary, you take whichever ballot you want - but only one.

Frankly, in Vermont, even if Sanders was NOT on the ballot, he would likely win the Democratic nomination by write in given the fact that there is no solid opponent.

still_one

(93,478 posts)
24. As far as I am concerned if he has any presidential ambitions in 2020 to run as a Democrat, he can
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:51 PM
May 2018

FORGET IT.

KPN

(15,801 posts)
27. Another Politico hitpiece. Why didn't this come up
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:18 PM
May 2018

in 2015? Easy -- the establishment wasn't afraid of Sanders at the time. Now the fact that Bernie runs once again in the primary -- the only way he can (well he could run as an R) -- in a blue State that obviously isn't bothered by that or him being Independent, is portrayed as deceptive and underhanded on Sanders' part. Pretty obvious the hit is on early. Kneecap him now.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
33. You mean besides the fact that in 2016 he promised he was a Democrat to stay?
Tue May 22, 2018, 12:04 AM
May 2018

We shouldn’t care about that in your world I guess?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
47. as I remember Sanders exact statement- he said "Stay in the Democratic party"
Tue May 22, 2018, 07:09 AM
May 2018

Sanders always votes with the D party in Senate anyway.

So many other seats to worry about these midterms- if Ds lose a few states and don't gain just a few congress & senate positions...... RW will be in charge of America for a couple generations.

It won't even matter if a D manages to get in the White house in 2020. We'll be a 2 class society.. haves & have nots.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
67. As with all politicians, their campaign staff relays promises from them. That is a Sanders promise.
Tue May 22, 2018, 10:57 AM
May 2018

melm00se

(5,019 posts)
48. Which is more important?
Tue May 22, 2018, 07:47 AM
May 2018

Actions or labels?

Bernie Sanders progressive ranking

If you fall into the "label is more important" then would you support Doug Jones (D-AL), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Joe Donnelly (D-IN) and Mark Warner (D-VA)? Bear in mind all 5 were rated "F" in the above scorecard.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
74. Yes, that's exactly what I am saying.
Tue May 22, 2018, 01:00 PM
May 2018

You realize that straw men and other logical fallacies and pretending you don’t understand what someone else is saying hurts your credibility right?

KPN

(15,801 posts)
75. Lol. Hurts my credibility?! That's rich.
Tue May 22, 2018, 01:06 PM
May 2018

I could just as aptly -- or inaptly -- use the very same same sentence in response.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
49. he is not a democrat
Tue May 22, 2018, 08:13 AM
May 2018

and has stated he won't ever be a true DEMOCRAT. He's a Socialist and that's it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
80. Just remember that success, excellence, etc. wasn't enough to stop Bernie
Tue May 22, 2018, 02:13 PM
May 2018

from whoring the hell out of his angry "PRIMARY OBAMA!" campaign in 2012...

Oh, you thought I'd forgotten about that?

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