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Mon May 21, 2018, 07:54 PM

Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination

Source: Politico

Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont ó but he wonít accept it if he wins.

The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that heíll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.

The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the partyís nod. And it allows Sanders to loom large in the party primary in August, but still preserve his independence.

But the move also comes at a time when Sanders supporters are pushing for changes to the presidential nominating process as part of the Democratic National Committee unity reform commission. One priority is to open up the partyís primaries to voters who arenít registered as Democrats.

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-vermont-601844

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Reply Sanders to run as a Democrat -- but not accept nomination (Original post)
Jose Garcia May 2018 OP
Shipwack May 2018 #1
brush May 2018 #2
WhiteTara May 2018 #4
RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #7
WhiteTara May 2018 #19
George II May 2018 #25
Gothmog May 2018 #34
shanny May 2018 #35
Gothmog May 2018 #42
shanny May 2018 #43
thesquanderer May 2018 #45
stevenleser May 2018 #55
thesquanderer May 2018 #61
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #76
BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #3
George II May 2018 #26
stevenleser May 2018 #31
thesquanderer May 2018 #46
stevenleser May 2018 #52
thesquanderer May 2018 #62
stevenleser May 2018 #66
thesquanderer May 2018 #70
stevenleser May 2018 #73
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #77
flibbitygiblets May 2018 #5
luc mont May 2018 #6
Me. May 2018 #29
Bucky May 2018 #8
RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #10
stevenleser May 2018 #57
msongs May 2018 #9
dlk May 2018 #11
RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #12
SFnomad May 2018 #17
Sherman A1 May 2018 #38
truthisfreedom May 2018 #13
left-of-center2012 May 2018 #14
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #28
stevenleser May 2018 #32
mac56 May 2018 #37
left-of-center2012 May 2018 #50
stevenleser May 2018 #56
left-of-center2012 May 2018 #58
stevenleser May 2018 #59
left-of-center2012 May 2018 #60
stevenleser May 2018 #68
Sherman A1 May 2018 #39
LanternWaste May 2018 #71
LanternWaste May 2018 #69
mcar May 2018 #15
CaptainTruth May 2018 #16
Me. May 2018 #30
iluvtennis May 2018 #18
Sherman A1 May 2018 #40
LanternWaste May 2018 #72
iluvtennis May 2018 #82
Equinox Moon May 2018 #20
karynnj May 2018 #21
pnwmom May 2018 #22
pnwmom May 2018 #23
still_one May 2018 #24
KPN May 2018 #27
stevenleser May 2018 #33
KPN May 2018 #36
Sunlei May 2018 #47
stevenleser May 2018 #53
KPN May 2018 #63
stevenleser May 2018 #67
Sherman A1 May 2018 #41
KPN May 2018 #64
Sunlei May 2018 #44
melm00se May 2018 #48
stevenleser May 2018 #54
KPN May 2018 #65
stevenleser May 2018 #74
KPN May 2018 #75
stevenleser May 2018 #83
Sherman A1 May 2018 #79
heaven05 May 2018 #49
onetexan May 2018 #81
Paladin May 2018 #51
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:00 PM

1. WTF? NT

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:04 PM

2. Think. He'd have done this if he'd won our presidential nom. in 2016.

A maneuver which would've destroyed the party and made us a national laughing stock.

Can you imagine our nominee rejecting our nomination to run instead as an independent?

We dodged that bullet but you can bet he's going to try it again.

He won't get close this time though. Too many are tired of his charades and there will be too many younger, attractive, actual Democrats running.

Been there and done that, Senator.

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Response to brush (Reply #2)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:16 PM

4. He does this in lots of elections it seems

from the article. We are being played again and again. I'm sure he's afraid if he had to face a real democrat he would lose, just like all his candidate picks and his revolution.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #4)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:34 PM

7. I'm sorry, but you'd be wrong

 

Do you realize in 2006 the Vermont Democratic party essentially stepped aside when he was a non-incumbent mind you, and did not oppose him for that US Senate seat?

He is currently the most popular Senator running for re-election this year in his home state.

https://morningconsult.com/2018/05/21/as-midterms-approach-bernie-sanders-on-safest-ground-among-senate-incumbents/

The Vermont Democratic party knows there is no point in opposing him, even 12 years ago. Do you think they are engaged in some sort of conspiracy?

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #7)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:42 PM

19. No, RIO

I think we are being used, that's all.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #7)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:03 PM

25. "...the most popular Senator running for re-election this year IN HIS HOME STATE"!!!

He had ~200,000 in his last election, 2012, IN HIS HOME STATE, the 49th LEAST diverse state in the country.

To contrast that, Dianne Feinstein had 7,800,000 - FORTY TIMES as many votes in one of the most diverse states in the country.

So tell me more about being "popular", please.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #7)

Tue May 22, 2018, 12:16 AM

34. The Party should replace sanders on the ballot if he pulls this stunt

When you apply to be on the ballot, there is a promise to run on that ticket if nominated. Sanders would be breaking that promise.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #34)

Tue May 22, 2018, 12:23 AM

35. The Party has been going along with This Stunt

 

since he first ran for the Senate.

Clearly you are not aware that clearly they don't have a problem with it.





It is hard to understand but one would almost think that some would rather split the left vote and let a puke win.

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Response to shanny (Reply #35)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:52 AM

42. The Vermont party is making a major mistake

If Sanders withdraws as the nominee of the party, then the party needs to replace him on the ballot

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #42)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:57 AM

43. A "mistake" they have made before

 

and clearly don't have a problem with.

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Response to shanny (Reply #35)

Tue May 22, 2018, 07:01 AM

45. Bingo. "Real" Democrats are fine with this.

The Democrats who are actually in power (i.e. his fellow Senators, the members of the DNC, the Vermont Democratic Party, etc.) have no problem with this. They support him. He gets committee positions. etc.

IMO, people here complaining about it are looking at this as a spectator sport, doing the equivalent of painting their faces the colors of their favorite team, while criticizing the things the team's ownership and management are doing that actually bring victory.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #45)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:40 AM

55. No, they're not. No "real" Democrats are OK with this

 

see, I can play that silly game too.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #55)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:59 AM

61. What silly game? I explained what I meant by "real Dems" in first line.

It seems clearly factual to me. They put out public statements of support. They give him committee positions. They don't look to primary him. etc. They know what they're getting, and they're fine with it. Just as they're fine with some red state Dems who may not be as progressive as some of us would like. They get the big picture.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #45)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:24 PM

76. Bingo is right!! Those Democrats you describe support Bernie as a Democrat

because he's as real as it gets. Bernie is popular among Democrats for a reason, including the fact that he votes with the Democrats more than any other Democrat votes with the Democrats. If that does not make Bernie fo' real, I don't know what does.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:05 PM

3. That's what he's done the whole time.

No one cared before, heís always been one of the most beloved senators around here. Why would anyone care now?

Oh, right.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:04 PM

26. "around here"? Around where?

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #3)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:55 PM

31. You mean besides the fact that he promised not to do it?

 

And that he was a Democrat from now on.

You want another reason besides that one?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #31)

Tue May 22, 2018, 07:04 AM

46. Link for those claims, please?

Also please see post#45

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #52)

Tue May 22, 2018, 10:14 AM

62. An interview comment from Jeff Weaver does not equal...

...a promise from Bernie Sanders. So it fails to support your assertion in two ways.

So do you have a link to anything that would be Sanders' own words?

And further, expressed as an actual promise? Promising/pledging to do something is not the same as expecting or intending to do something. (Heck, Hillary said she wouldn't run, as I recall.)

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #62)

Tue May 22, 2018, 10:57 AM

66. Yes, it does equal a promise from Bernie Sanders. That's how that works, particularly since

 

he did not correct it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #66)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:05 AM

70. So anything a Hillary spokesperson said during the campaign...

...should have been interpreted as a PROMISE directly from Hillary? Even if she were never asked to confirm it? I think that would have been an unfair assumption.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #70)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:38 AM

73. Correct, that's how that works. Particularly if the candidate doesn't correct it.

 

This is a surprise to you? Come on.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #3)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:25 PM

77. Oh, right is right!!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:17 PM

5. I think this is a duplicate thread of this one

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:33 PM

6. Go Home and Stay There, Bernie

 

Wearing the 'D' is beneath you, Senator? Then fuck off!

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Response to luc mont (Reply #6)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:38 PM

29. WEll Welcome To You luc mont

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:34 PM

8. What does this even mean?

I love Bernie for how he stands up to the corporatization that's overrunning our economy and the privatization that's neutering our government. But this nuance is just kookoo for cocopuffs

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Response to Bucky (Reply #8)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:37 PM

10. It means nothing. The Vermont Democratic party has been fine with this since the early 90's

 

But when people discovered Bernie Sanders existed in the spring of 2015, it's now an issue and "he's up to something".

By the way, lest anyone make any accusations, I'll shut that shit down now. I voted for Hillary in the primaries. Thanks.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #8)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:53 AM

57. It's a big middle finger to anyone who cares about the Democratic Party

 

And the Vermont state party is clueless about how they should be standing up to this.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:37 PM

9. only democrats in the democratic primary. which real democrats will run in this primary nt

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:44 PM

11. It's Really Past Time for Bernie to Make a Decision or Get Off the Potty

He seems to like Democratic resources but isn't interested in contributing to the Party. If he wants to be a Democrat, fine. If he doesn't, then he needs to stop utilizing the Democratic platform and resources--enough already!

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Response to dlk (Reply #11)

Mon May 21, 2018, 08:58 PM

12. I didn't realizing using the Democratic platform wastes money.....

 

Especially when you uphold it more than West Virginia Joe and North Dakota Heidi.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #12)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:16 PM

17. Using the Democratic Primary system and then throwing away the results sounds like a waste of money

 

but that's just me.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #12)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:43 AM

38. Precisely

If the people of Vermont are not happy with the rules of their system, they can move to change them.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:02 PM

13. Interesting logic. I'd vote for him in a primary again

And Iíd vote for Hillary again too. And Michelle. And Oprah.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:03 PM

14. Who are we to tell Vermont what to do?

From the linked article:

"The Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution over the weekend
supporting Sandersí move ..."

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #14)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:24 PM

28. IKR!!

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #14)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:56 PM

32. So everyone else should shut up? You're against free speech?

 

And thatís supposed to be progressive?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #32)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:09 AM

37. You're enjoying this, aren't you?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #32)

Tue May 22, 2018, 08:56 AM

50. Thanks for the laugh !

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #50)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:52 AM

56. Ok so you are taking it back and everyone's opinion on this is valuable

 

good.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #56)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:55 AM

58. Oh hell no !

But thanks for playing.

You're wrong --- again.



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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #58)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:56 AM

59. So you really are telling everyone else to shut up. Thanks for clarifying. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #59)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:59 AM

60. Oh hell no #2

I'm just putting you on 'ignore'.

Bye !



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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #60)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:00 AM

68. Oh hell yes. If you can't defend your position, maybe your position is the issue. nt

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #14)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:43 AM

39. Yup

A good point.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #39)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:06 AM

71. I'd pretend it's a good point too if my bias depended on it.

It's fun to pretend that mere discussion is actually telling the Vermont Democrats what to do... I'd pretend it's a good point too if my bias depended on it.

Accuracy just isn't progressive enough.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #14)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:03 AM

69. I don't think discussion is akin to a command.

I don't think discussion is akin to a command.

More accurately, "who are we to discuss what the candidates and voters of Vermont are doing?" But I get that accuracy doesn't quite assist your sentiment in this case.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:05 PM

15. What?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:08 PM

16. It looks to me like he puts a D after his name when he wants to use party resources.

When he's done using the party to further his goals, he removes the D.

That just doesn't sit right with me.

Either be a Democrat or don't be a Democrat, it's not complicated.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #16)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:39 PM

30. Bammo Bingo

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:26 PM

18. Shouldn't be allowed. Either you run as Democrat or you run independent.

I never like Bernie and this is another datapoint for why. GAH

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #18)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:44 AM

40. Then move to Vermont

And work within the party there to change the rules.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #40)

Tue May 22, 2018, 11:09 AM

72. Or discuss it on a message board...

Or discuss it on a message board...

Seems you little fellas are having difficulty with the concept of discussion and exchange of ideas these days, and act rather piqued when sacred cows become the target of discussion.

I doubt you'll ever apply your sentiment to all thing political and international. It would be a hoot if in a thread on Putin, your melodrama gets the better of you again and you tell everyone "move to St Petersburg if you don't like what they're doing!"

Bias precludes consistency of rational thought. Good luck!

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #72)

Tue May 22, 2018, 08:09 PM

82. Like

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 09:51 PM

20. Rank Choice Voting could be the answer.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 10:25 PM

21. I don't get the last paragraph - there have long been states with open primaries

Not to mention in Vermont, you do not register by party - the question is not even asked. In each primary, you take whichever ballot you want - but only one.

Frankly, in Vermont, even if Sanders was NOT on the ballot, he would likely win the Democratic nomination by write in given the fact that there is no solid opponent.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #21)

Mon May 21, 2018, 10:28 PM

22. He wants all states to have open primaries. nt

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 10:29 PM

23. The Vermont party should require its candidates to accept the nomination if they win. nt

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 10:51 PM

24. As far as I am concerned if he has any presidential ambitions in 2020 to run as a Democrat, he can

FORGET IT.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2018, 11:18 PM

27. Another Politico hitpiece. Why didn't this come up

in 2015? Easy -- the establishment wasn't afraid of Sanders at the time. Now the fact that Bernie runs once again in the primary -- the only way he can (well he could run as an R) -- in a blue State that obviously isn't bothered by that or him being Independent, is portrayed as deceptive and underhanded on Sanders' part. Pretty obvious the hit is on early. Kneecap him now.

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Response to KPN (Reply #27)

Tue May 22, 2018, 12:04 AM

33. You mean besides the fact that in 2016 he promised he was a Democrat to stay?

 

We shouldnít care about that in your world I guess?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #33)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:28 AM

36. Did he? What did he say exactly and when?

What was the context?

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Response to KPN (Reply #36)

Tue May 22, 2018, 07:09 AM

47. as I remember Sanders exact statement- he said "Stay in the Democratic party"

Sanders always votes with the D party in Senate anyway.

So many other seats to worry about these midterms- if Ds lose a few states and don't gain just a few congress & senate positions...... RW will be in charge of America for a couple generations.

It won't even matter if a D manages to get in the White house in 2020. We'll be a 2 class society.. haves & have nots.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #53)

Tue May 22, 2018, 10:38 AM

63. Didn't answer the question. What did Sanders

say exactly?

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Response to KPN (Reply #63)

Tue May 22, 2018, 10:57 AM

67. As with all politicians, their campaign staff relays promises from them. That is a Sanders promise.

 

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Response to KPN (Reply #27)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:45 AM

41. Precisely

It is very much a political hit piece as you describe.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #41)

Tue May 22, 2018, 10:39 AM

64. Yup -- all political.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 06:59 AM

44. same as " in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races"

good for people to learn how state elections work imo.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 07:47 AM

48. Which is more important?

Actions or labels?

Bernie Sanders progressive ranking

If you fall into the "label is more important" then would you support Doug Jones (D-AL), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), Joe Donnelly (D-IN) and Mark Warner (D-VA)? Bear in mind all 5 were rated "F" in the above scorecard.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #48)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:39 AM

54. Labels. Without solidarity in the party you get Trump and George W Bush. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #54)

Tue May 22, 2018, 10:41 AM

65. So lack of labels gave us Trump and GW?

How so?

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Response to KPN (Reply #65)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:00 PM

74. Yes, that's exactly what I am saying.

 

You realize that straw men and other logical fallacies and pretending you donít understand what someone else is saying hurts your credibility right?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #74)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:06 PM

75. Lol. Hurts my credibility?! That's rich.

I could just as aptly -- or inaptly -- use the very same same sentence in response.

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Response to KPN (Reply #75)

Tue May 22, 2018, 08:11 PM

83. By all means continue to play the straw man game. Nt

 

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Response to melm00se (Reply #48)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:30 PM

79. Well said!

Actions are much more important.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 08:13 AM

49. he is not a democrat

 

and has stated he won't ever be a true DEMOCRAT. He's a Socialist and that's it.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #49)

Tue May 22, 2018, 02:23 PM

81. spot on

guy's a fraud far as i'm concerned. He should never be allowed to run as a Dem again.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 09:25 AM

51. Thanks for nothing, Bernie. As usual. (nt)

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 01:28 PM

78. If true, he just lost one person who was open minded about him.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 02:13 PM

80. Just remember that success, excellence, etc. wasn't enough to stop Bernie

from whoring the hell out of his angry "PRIMARY OBAMA!" campaign in 2012...

Oh, you thought I'd forgotten about that?

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue May 22, 2018, 08:25 PM

84. I assume this is to avoid a three way race? -nt

 

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