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BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:54 AM May 2018

UPDATED: Trump cancels summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un

Source: Washington Post

President Trump on Thursday canceled a planned summit next month with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, citing “tremendous anger and open hostility” from the rogue nation in a letter explaining his abrupt decision. “I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting,” Trump said to Kim in a letter released by the White House on Thursday morning. The summit had been planned for June 12 in Singapore.

In his letter, Trump held open the possibility that the two leaders could meet at a later date to discuss denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, which Trump has been pushing.

The decision came amid hostile warnings from North Korea in recent days that it was reconsidering participation. North Korea said Wednesday that it is up to the United States to decide whether it wants to “meet us at a meeting room or encounter us at nuclear-to-nuclear showdown.”

A close aide to Kim unleashed a torrent of invective against the Trump administration Thursday morning, calling Vice President Pence a “political dummy” for remarks he made Monday in a television interview that made reference to the downfall of the late Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-cancels-nuclear-summit-with-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un/2018/05/24/e502d910-5f58-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html



Here is the letter linked to at the OP article - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4483000-White-House-letter-Trump-Kim-summit-canceled.html

Original article -

by Washington Post Staff May 24 at 9:51 AM

"I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting," President Trump wrote to Kim in a letter released by the White House.

The summit had been planned for June 12 in Singapore.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/24/trump-cancels-summit-with-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un/?utm_term=.2e1fa07d48ab


New York times story -

Trump Pulls Out of June Summit Meeting With North Korea

By Eileen Sullivan

May 24, 2018

WASHINGTON -- President Trump has notified Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, that he has canceled their much-anticipated meeting, which was set for June 12.

In a letter dated Thursday to Mr. Kim, the American president said he would not attend the summit due to "tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement."

He was referring to recent comments from a North Korean official who described Vice President Mike Pence as "ignorant and stupid."

"Some day, I look very much forward to meeting you," Mr. Trump concluded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/asia/north-korea-trump-summit.html
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UPDATED: Trump cancels summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2018 OP
well now, that didnt' take him long at all... Javaman May 2018 #1
Bolton wins again! BumRushDaShow May 2018 #3
Yep workinclasszero May 2018 #41
Like Trump was ever going to get a peace prize! lunatica May 2018 #80
Yeah workinclasszero May 2018 #81
"Mission Accomplished". "Nobel Peace Prize". ChiTownDenny May 2018 #50
More like the 'no-balls prize' SeattleVet May 2018 #89
+ 1 ChiTownDenny May 2018 #90
OK, who's surprised DFW May 2018 #2
Does Trump still get his Nobel Prize? ollie10 May 2018 #4
He's in line for a No-balls Prize. George II May 2018 #6
I heard it was the No-balls Piece Prize meow2u3 May 2018 #32
Or maybe the No-balls Pence Prize Canoe52 May 2018 #63
..... trusty elf May 2018 #34
Who had May 24 in the pool? George II May 2018 #5
Just snorted my oatmeal through my nose! Lol Canoe52 May 2018 #64
I never put a date to it. joshcryer May 2018 #79
+ 1 ChiTownDenny May 2018 #92
T rump cancelled - The reason is, because I will be in jail - and just not available.. asiliveandbreathe May 2018 #7
Big surprise. Polly Hennessey May 2018 #8
DU has the perfect gif for that lunatica May 2018 #83
NEVER A DOUBT! bucolic_frolic May 2018 #9
The UnSummit. Read this boastful then rejected boy letter underpants May 2018 #10
I think this might be one of those 'ersatz trump' statements written by a ghost trump pangaia May 2018 #24
"...hostages"? Glorfindel May 2018 #28
Commas just put them any damn place Botany May 2018 #39
DU EXCLUSIVE: The ACTUAL letter Cheetolini was set to release bluevoter4life May 2018 #75
Thanks. Stealing this. underpants May 2018 #112
Jeezus I thought that was a joke. MGKrebs May 2018 #77
Pouty letter lunatica May 2018 #85
Ok, joking aside, is this real? Pepsidog May 2018 #87
Yep. That's it. underpants May 2018 #98
Oh my, I thought it couldn't get much worse but this is a genuine display of stupidity for all the Pepsidog May 2018 #100
As my boss described it underpants May 2018 #102
How embarrassing. Freethinker65 May 2018 #105
Wah-waaahhhhhh! hatrack May 2018 #11
Kim was smart enough to know, duforsure May 2018 #12
All true. Now. pangaia May 2018 #26
So when does Ivanka start pitching the rare, collectible coins on QVC? NT mahatmakanejeeves May 2018 #13
But Pence is ignorant and stupid CanonRay May 2018 #14
Pense and Bolton's saber-rattling by threatening Kim with the... brush May 2018 #52
Trump loves that Pence was called stupid and ignorant and will cite it often Freethinker65 May 2018 #108
Diplomatic interruptus. Not the first time he should have pulled out. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #15
LOL! lunatica May 2018 #88
Goodbye Nobel Peace Prize. TexasProgresive May 2018 #16
Can't believe he or his idiot minions ever thought that might happen. Dave Starsky May 2018 #35
", based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, ...." pangaia May 2018 #17
+1 dalton99a May 2018 #30
That sentence is pure CYA crap, as if Pense and Bolton hadn't... brush May 2018 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Fla Dem May 2018 #18
Threatening N.K. with the 'Libyan model' would have killed it anyway. left-of-center2012 May 2018 #19
Gosh, who did not see that coming. This was the end-game from the start. Scalded Nun May 2018 #20
Whoa,,,,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad May 2018 #21
I wonder what this coin is worth now? Jim__ May 2018 #22
Whatever the market on Ebay will bear, I guess. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #25
I'm willing to bet plenty of Deplorables believe Trump has one for real lunatica May 2018 #91
Gee, anything to do with cancelling the Iran deal by any chance? world wide wally May 2018 #23
No, NK told him, Pence and Bolton kacekwl May 2018 #27
As usual, Trump got played by superior gamesmanship PJMcK May 2018 #29
Not to Worry! brooklynite May 2018 #31
Why would Kim meet with these people? duforsure May 2018 #33
I suspect he's been looking for a reason to cancel Raven123 May 2018 #36
I know Trump makes each day feel like a year, but... BadgerMom May 2018 #37
With Trump's attention span, Mr.Bill May 2018 #44
WHAT?!? I'm shocked I'm tellin' ya....SHOCKED!! edbermac May 2018 #38
We don't know, duforsure May 2018 #40
Shitler fucks up again........ workinclasszero May 2018 #42
+1 dalton99a May 2018 #47
Lol! KPN May 2018 #48
That is among one of my all time favorite movie characters! lunatica May 2018 #93
This is his, Pence's and the GOPs way of making it look like they are in control of the KPN May 2018 #43
This plays well with his base. Turbineguy May 2018 #45
Well what are they going to do with all of those sdfernando May 2018 #46
He cancels a meeting he never intended to have. Makes sense I guess. old guy May 2018 #49
Meaning it served its purpose as a distraction as does its "canceling". BumRushDaShow May 2018 #51
The FReeptards celebrate this as a "masterful Art of the Deal-like play Tarc May 2018 #53
"Someday I look much forward to meeting you" horrible awkward grammar ALBliberal May 2018 #54
Mexican made suit folds again ashling May 2018 #56
? lunatica May 2018 #95
Trump's line of suits are made in Mexico ashling May 2018 #113
Thanks lunatica May 2018 #114
You are welcome ashling May 2018 #115
A shameless repost is demanded: Tactical Peek May 2018 #57
It's even funnier today lunatica May 2018 #96
I watched an interview with a trump-voting focus group a few days ago. PearliePoo2 May 2018 #58
They are probably convinced he already has the Peace Prize. lunatica May 2018 #97
It is possible that there never was an opening, but if there were Bolton deserves the blame for karynnj May 2018 #59
Oh I think there was an "opening" BumRushDaShow May 2018 #61
I was not saying there wasn't, but if there were the Libya model comments would have killed it karynnj May 2018 #68
Here is my take BumRushDaShow May 2018 #82
That's excellent analysis lunatica May 2018 #99
North and South Korea BumRushDaShow May 2018 #106
I did not even consider North and South Korea would unite into one country again lunatica May 2018 #107
Apparently during their meetings BumRushDaShow May 2018 #109
Good point! lunatica May 2018 #111
Still awaiting comment from Political Dummy. Sneederbunk May 2018 #60
This Was Telegraphed DallasNE May 2018 #62
Too bad Trump's daddy didn't pull out when rateyes May 2018 #65
Was this really... duforsure May 2018 #66
Didn't need a chrystal ball to see this coming vlyons May 2018 #67
You can't fire me! I quit! Marthe48 May 2018 #69
Is it wrong that I want one of the coins? cab67 May 2018 #70
Not if your collecting world class Idiocrats memorabilia! lunatica May 2018 #101
Maybe he will now, duforsure May 2018 #71
Long planned? Chemisse May 2018 #72
The "tremendous anger and open hostility" was present BEFORE you scheduled the meeting, Dotard. RockRaven May 2018 #73
He thought KIM would give up his nuclear weapons just for the honor of getting to meet TRUMP. Still In Wisconsin May 2018 #74
Who knew a nearly 70 year multi generational conflict could be so complicated? briv1016 May 2018 #76
Pence doing it again extvbroadcaster May 2018 #78
Pence leaves hickies on Trump's ass every morning. nt lunatica May 2018 #103
It's hard to believe that the NKs look like the good guys here and the USA bumbling fools Pepsidog May 2018 #84
And on a related note ResistantAmerican17 May 2018 #86
If the truth was known i bet bluestarone May 2018 #94
OK, than as much as of a sleaze as he is DonCoquixote May 2018 #104
This, I fear, is a decision that will have devastating consequences. Oneironaut May 2018 #110
Obama's Fault erpowers May 2018 #116

Javaman

(62,507 posts)
1. well now, that didnt' take him long at all...
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:56 AM
May 2018

I never believed it was going to happen anyway.

kim would have eaten him alive.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
41. Yep
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:47 AM
May 2018

Trump kissed his Nobel prize goodbye when he hired that warmonger.

Idiots working for an idiot, what could possibly go wrong?

 

ChiTownDenny

(747 posts)
50. "Mission Accomplished". "Nobel Peace Prize".
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:01 AM
May 2018

The worst foreign policy bloviating and debacles since Neville Chamberlain.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
89. More like the 'no-balls prize'
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:33 PM
May 2018

And what are they going to do with the 'collectible' coins that they were making?

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
7. T rump cancelled - The reason is, because I will be in jail - and just not available..
Thu May 24, 2018, 09:59 AM
May 2018

Kim, you hurt my widdle feelings when you said you weren't sure about going on a date with me...too..

T rump is fuming...this is a very scary time folk's...

Polly Hennessey

(6,793 posts)
8. Big surprise.
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:00 AM
May 2018

Can you cancel something that was never going to happen? Typical bluster of a bully. Brag, brag, deflate. No one with two brain cells believed the meeting would ever take place.

Glorfindel

(9,725 posts)
28. "...hostages"?
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:21 AM
May 2018

I thought they were prisoners, having broken North Korean law. I'm glad they were released, of course, but is it proper to call them hostages? Well, I guess propriety, like so many other things, no longer matters in the age of tRump.

Botany

(70,476 posts)
39. Commas just put them any damn place
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:43 AM
May 2018

Therefore, please let this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the
good of both parties, but to detriment of the world, will not take place.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
77. Jeezus I thought that was a joke.
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:01 PM
May 2018

That's the real letter? "Ours are so massive and powerful".. ? WTF? A 7th grader could have written a more appropriate letter.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
100. Oh my, I thought it couldn't get much worse but this is a genuine display of stupidity for all the
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:08 PM
May 2018

world to see. English teachers throughout the country are cringing and we look like fools.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. Kim was smart enough to know,
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:06 AM
May 2018

Nothing trump said or claimed he would do meant anything because he's such a big liar , and can never be trusted. Kim played him , and now he's pissed again he can't have his PR stunt saying he saved the world. He'll blame others for this, again, that's what he always does. He'll go back to more threats again, and false accusations he always uses. trump's again lied about this repeatedly with false claims , and statements , and his propaganda is wearing thin. trump's a fraud , and a failure, and everything he's doing is to destabilize our country, not make it better.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
26. All true. Now.
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:19 AM
May 2018

Tell it to your local newspapers, tv stations, national news, tweet.. everywhere...

THAT is what we need to do, among other things..


CanonRay

(14,093 posts)
14. But Pence is ignorant and stupid
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:09 AM
May 2018

Shouldn't blame Kim Jong-Un for telling the truth. Oh, I forgot, Trump hates the truth.

brush

(53,758 posts)
52. Pense and Bolton's saber-rattling by threatening Kim with the...
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:09 AM
May 2018

Libya model was the beginning of the end for the summit.

trump only pulled out to avoid the embarrassment or NK pulling out first.

Freethinker65

(10,008 posts)
108. Trump loves that Pence was called stupid and ignorant and will cite it often
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:40 PM
May 2018

Trump to crowd: Do you think PENCE IS STUPID AND IGNORANT? I do not think PENCE IS STUPID AND IGNORANT? How dare anyone say PENCE IS STUPID AND IGNORANT? Come over here Mike. Now look at him. (Mike gives Trump a thumbs up) Look at Mike. It is ridiculous that anyone would call PENCE STUPID AND IGNORANT. Seriously sad. PENCE IS STUPID AND IGNORANT (while shaking his head "no". ) Unbelievable. Why would anyone say PENCE IS STUPID AND IGNORANT (while Pence continues to smile and remain silent by Trump's side).


What two words will be tied to Pence forever? Stupid and ignorant. And Trump will say he had nothing to do with it.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
88. LOL!
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:31 PM
May 2018

There really are all kinds of sexual overtones and undercurrents to things said by Trump, Pence, Bolton and Putin aren’t there? Like Middle Schoolers discovering their nether regions and falling in love!

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
35. Can't believe he or his idiot minions ever thought that might happen.
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:34 AM
May 2018

And maybe Dustin "Screech" Diamond will get the Irving G. Thalberg Award.

brush

(53,758 posts)
55. That sentence is pure CYA crap, as if Pense and Bolton hadn't...
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:15 AM
May 2018

nakedly threaten Kim's life by saber-rattling with the "Libya model" mention.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
19. Threatening N.K. with the 'Libyan model' would have killed it anyway.
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:14 AM
May 2018

Telling Kim to do what Trump wants
or you'll be killed like Gaddafi was?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
91. I'm willing to bet plenty of Deplorables believe Trump has one for real
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:38 PM
May 2018

Because, well, Deplorables.

PJMcK

(22,022 posts)
29. As usual, Trump got played by superior gamesmanship
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:21 AM
May 2018

Trump is such a simpleton that he telegraphs his actions so his opponents know his plans. Idiot.

Kim wanted the legitimacy that negotiating with POTUS brought with it. He won, Trump lost.

Now, North Korea can retain their various weapons programs and the status quo will remain.

Thanks, Trump.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
33. Why would Kim meet with these people?
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:28 AM
May 2018

When all they do is lie, threaten others, falsely accuse others, and wanted to promote this as propaganda for themselves, and completely ignoring the truth. Now we're back to their nuclear threats then claiming NK's Kim caused it. In reality he heard enough from trump and pence to know they were not to ever be trusted on anything. trump has tried this on other country's also , pay for protections or policies , or give to his PAC, or agree to loans, or propose a building plan of his, or else. The Republican party is letting him continue doing this around the world. Corruption running wild.

Raven123

(4,800 posts)
36. I suspect he's been looking for a reason to cancel
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:35 AM
May 2018

Though it is poetic that the premier manifestation of hostility and self-entitlement should site such expressions by NK as the reason for the cancellation. Does anybody really believe that?

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
37. I know Trump makes each day feel like a year, but...
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:36 AM
May 2018

“this long-planned meeting”? Didn’t it come up just this year, maybe February or March?

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
40. We don't know,
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:44 AM
May 2018

Kim may have already told him and pence where they could go, and with China and Russia's Putins blessing they'll not let him attack them, or let him know they will not stand by if he tries to bomb them now. trump's already set himself up for a lose/lose situation now. They're liars , so we don't really know if Kim canceled the meeting already after trump's and pence's comments. It would be par for the course with trump and pence.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
48. Lol!
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:53 AM
May 2018

Wish I could send that to some of my family members, but it would only stir further resentment and infighting within the family -- we're a big one and ost of my siblings aren't really politically aware and engaged sadly.

KPN

(15,641 posts)
43. This is his, Pence's and the GOPs way of making it look like they are in control of the
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:50 AM
May 2018

situation/negotiations with Kim Jong-un, not the other way around -- which it actually is. They are such dupes. And then you throw Bolton into that chaos and absolute disaster!

I wish his supporters could actually see this for what it is -- laughable and mentally ill.

Turbineguy

(37,312 posts)
45. This plays well with his base.
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:50 AM
May 2018

They seem to like stupid, ill considered and badly planned, dangerous adventures.



Tarc

(10,476 posts)
53. The FReeptards celebrate this as a "masterful Art of the Deal-like play
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:13 AM
May 2018

It's hilarious, and sad, reading over there.

ALBliberal

(2,334 posts)
54. "Someday I look much forward to meeting you" horrible awkward grammar
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:13 AM
May 2018

And this one... "If you change your mind having to do with this important summit"...also awkward grammar. Doesn't he have the "Best" people review his letters or actually drafting his letters for his signature? Do they dumb down his letters like they do his tweets?

And the boast of our nuclear capabilities. Always the boasting.

Gotta tell you my DU friends...I am so weary of this President and weeding through the daily messes he makes.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
113. Trump's line of suits are made in Mexico
Thu May 24, 2018, 02:34 PM
May 2018

I used this as a metaphor for Trump himself

a take off on the old cliché:

"folded like a cheap suit"

not that suits (or anything else) made om Mexico is inherently cheap

but Trump is

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
58. I watched an interview with a trump-voting focus group a few days ago.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:18 AM
May 2018

One question asked of the group was, "What are some of the things BLOTUS has accomplished and had success with that you approve of?"

As they went around the table, a woman said, "North Korea!" A man nodded and agreed. Then another woman repeated, "North Korea!" Ooops! fucking fools.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
59. It is possible that there never was an opening, but if there were Bolton deserves the blame for
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:20 AM
May 2018

killing it. His idiotic call that they would use the "Libyan model" - though Gaddafi was killed - was not exactly diplomatic.

I had hoped that the meetings - mostly those between the Koreas - could tamp down the rhetoric.

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
61. Oh I think there was an "opening"
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:27 AM
May 2018

but this administration doesn't "do diplomacy". The "business model" way of conducting negotiations includes rules that diplomatic negotiations would not dare utilize.

If anything, this has to be between North and South Korea. Just like the unification of East and West Germany and North and South Vietnam.

karynnj

(59,500 posts)
68. I was not saying there wasn't, but if there were the Libya model comments would have killed it
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:40 AM
May 2018

I think it might have been an opening because NK had tested their bombs enough to feel that they were firmly in the "we have a working bomb" category. This would suggest treatment like Pakistan or India -- not a country that had not yet made that jump. In some ways, they would be like Iran, because it was clear that Iran had mastered the process. It would be different in that measures would be needed to control the ability to use the nuclear bombs they actually have.

In addition, they likely "broke" their underground testing site. These two events might have allowed a change.

John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are seriously not diplomats. Not to mention, Trump himself is a failure at any real deal making. Even with the power of the Presidency what "deal" has he made with any group or country?

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
82. Here is my take
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:18 PM
May 2018

1.) The only people in that administration who even know what was being referenced regarding a "Libyan Option" was Bolton, Kelly and maybe Pompeo (since he was on some of the relevant committees in Congress). The rest of them come from business backgrounds and that term is pretty much jargon to them.

2.) North Korea essentially completely fucked up their test site - it was pretty much speculated (and all but confirmed) last fall that the site had caved in and collapsed and there was a potential issue regarding even being able to contain it. However the nuclear "tests" that were generally confirmed plus the medium/long range ballistic missile tests that were flying near Japan, got their "message" across (however shaky).

3.) Regarding comparing to the competition between India and Pakistan and nukes, that started some 40 years ago and we never really considered them (or at least Pakistan) as the pariahs that North Korea became due to our focus on "Communism"... although now the stakes are higher given the unrest in the Muslim world. But agree that North Korea sortof got bumped across the finish line (except probably with the help of China) and can claim some sort of status as "nuclear ready".

4.) However with Iran - apparently (and this is where I believe people like Valerie Plame come into play), their "progress" was purposefully slowed via spies covertly providing old tech. Iran already had nuclear plants for energy (over many decades and thanks to a number of countries like Germany, China, and Russia) so in their case, they were trying to exploit their existing infrastructure to create weaponry (thus the centrifuges). But with North Korea, they never went that the "nuclear energy" route and instead were trying to go "instant nuclear weapons by shortcuts" route.

Agree regarding "deals" (and lack thereof). In his world, as the old saying goes - "There are no permanent friends nor permanent enemies, just permanent 'interests'".

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
99. That's excellent analysis
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:05 PM
May 2018

I wonder if this latest exchange between North Korea and the US has given Kim Jong-Un the status he craves. Will North and South Korea continue diplomatic relations? Will China elevate North Korea’s standing in the world?

I’m pretty sure that Trump, Bolton, et al have lowered our status considerably, and it’s likely to go lower as we lose economic power in the world. Trump seems to think, like all bullies, that all we need is military might backed by nuclear weapons to keep our status.

Unfortunately I think he wants to use a nuclear strike to show the world who’s boss.

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
106. North and South Korea
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

will have a lot to deal with. The "cultural" exchanges are easy. But the form of government that might be adopted will be the biggest of all sticking points. And don't forget that Japan has a "dog in that hunt" (as they say). Japan's relations with both China and South Korea are not pleasant.

IMHO, Bolton is locked in another time. I think the multiple "wars" that we have been through the past almost 20 years have shown that. No need for a big "nuke" when chlorine gas can basically terrorize the same way but you maintain the "war booty" you are after.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
107. I did not even consider North and South Korea would unite into one country again
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:33 PM
May 2018

I can’t see anything like that happening. I was thinking more in line with diplomatic relations continuing. It might be a safer relationship than always having a nuclear threat virtually next door. Maybe Moon was thinking this when he invited NK to the Olympics.

Or maybe SK is wondering what the hell do they do now! It must feel like walking on quicksand.

BumRushDaShow

(128,702 posts)
109. Apparently during their meetings
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:43 PM
May 2018

it was one of the (sortof distant) "goals". I.e., to have a united "Korea Peninsula".

We are very very early in this process and IMHO, other countries are going to need to step up to the plate over the next couple years to shepherd it and try to keep Bolton at bay.

Note that in many instances, "ethnicity/nationality" overrides other things and I think there is a desire to celebrate their unique places in the world, sans "the west". Their situation would be very similar to East Germany (originally poor with outdated infrastructure) and West Germany (wealthier with more modern resources/conveniences). That whole process managed to make it through to a conclusion that resulted in Germany being the powerhouse of Europe. Good article about that here.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
62. This Was Telegraphed
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:31 AM
May 2018

By Pence in his recent Tweet. Doesn't matter to Trump because he will claim he deserves the Nobel for trying, even though his own VP scuttled the meeting. Didn't consult with South Korea.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
66. Was this really...
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:39 AM
May 2018

...Trump's scared to go because he's so unprepared to go, and had to use rhetoric to undermine it with, and like he's done so many times before with other things?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
101. Not if your collecting world class Idiocrats memorabilia!
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:12 PM
May 2018

There’s a veritable treasure trove on this administration.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
71. Maybe he will now,
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:45 AM
May 2018

Get his haircut like Kim to get him involved and agreeing to meet again. Begging him please meet , my Nobel, my Nobel. No you're not Rocket Man, I'm Rocket Man. lol. trump looking pretty pathetic, again. All policies are foreign to him. Here come more threats of bombing him , 3...2... .

RockRaven

(14,950 posts)
73. The "tremendous anger and open hostility" was present BEFORE you scheduled the meeting, Dotard.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:49 AM
May 2018

Never should have agreed to meet, as everyone with any experience told you up front. But noooooooo, you won't listen to experts.

Yesterday's "Kim can't leave the country b/c he's afraid of a coup" story was planted by Trumpists as a preamble to this announcement, and will be used in future days to further shift blame onto DPRK if this "you were mean to us" line doesn't work.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
74. He thought KIM would give up his nuclear weapons just for the honor of getting to meet TRUMP.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:50 AM
May 2018

When TRUMP realized we would have to make some very big concessions for that to happen, he (or more accurately probably Bolton and/or Pompeo) started looking for any reason to get out of the meeting. When they insulted Pence, he had his out.

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
78. Pence doing it again
Thu May 24, 2018, 12:02 PM
May 2018

Staring lovingly at Trump as Dotard makes another stupid statement about bad Kim Jong-un. Pence looks like he just want to eat the nuggets out of Trump's butt.

Oneironaut

(5,490 posts)
110. This, I fear, is a decision that will have devastating consequences.
Thu May 24, 2018, 01:50 PM
May 2018

The fact that Trump is so cavalier about war is frightening. North Korea is not like Iraq. We would probably win the war, but the cost would severe. This is not a war the American public wants to fight.

Making a deal is not optional here. They need to get back together and talk.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
116. Obama's Fault
Thu May 24, 2018, 03:22 PM
May 2018

So, how long before Fox News, Donald Trump, Republicans, and Trump supporters start claiming that it was actually President Obama who pushed for a meeting with Kim Jung-Un and that Obama would not have had the courage to cancel this meeting with Kim Jung-Un? I am just waiting to find out how Fox News and the Republican Party will spin this to make Trump look good.

Are they going to blame the Deep State? Are they going to blame fake news? Are they going to blame the Democratic Party? Are they going to claim that President Obama was never able to even get close to getting a meeting with Kim Jung-Un or his father? Are they going to claim that Trump and the United States would not have been put in this position if not for President Obama's failure to deal with this situation? Are they going to say that if it had not been for the Iran deal and all the other bad deal that Obama struck with brutal world leaders Kim Jung-Un would have followed through on this meeting?

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