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alp227

(32,019 posts)
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:45 PM May 2018

MSNBC host Joy Reid faces new questions about her old blog

Source: Washington Post

NBC News remained silent on Wednesday about MSNBC host Joy Reid amid new revelations that she once wrote blog posts raising questions about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks that echo “truther” conspiracy theories.

Reid — a liberal commentator who has been under fire for homophobic comments that have been found on her now-defunct blog — promoted a 9/11 film co-produced by Alex Jones, the far-right media figure who has touted numerous conspiracy theories on his Infowars website and radio program.

Reid has previously claimed her blog was hacked and that she was unaware that the anti-gay comments had been inserted under her name long after she had stopped writing it. MSNBC has stood by her pending an FBI investigation. The bizarre allegations have raised questions about Reid’s honesty and integrity.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/msnbc-host-joy-reid-faces-new-questions-about-her-old-blog/2018/05/30/cd81f740-6457-11e8-a768-ed043e33f1dc_story.html

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MSNBC host Joy Reid faces new questions about her old blog (Original Post) alp227 May 2018 OP
This was only a matter of time. BigmanPigman May 2018 #1
Like Al Franken, she is a loud voice of opposition to the FILTH Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #2
Franken's career as a politician may be over, but I'm hoping he gets a TV show. TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #15
She's not in the way of Presidential aspirations... Honeycombe8 May 2018 #44
FBI is investigating JOY? For what possible reason? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #45
Read the article of the OP. It was announced a while back...the FBI isn't investigating HER... Honeycombe8 May 2018 #46
ok Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #47
She spoke out against Sen. Sanders and I think his wife and Joy exchanged words Demsrule86 May 2018 #52
Joy Reid and/or MSNBC asked FBI to investigate hacking of her account. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #56
I think Joy is a "biggie". forgotmylogin Jun 2018 #72
hear, hear. I'm for that. Stellar Jun 2018 #92
I don't watch her show, so I have no opinion. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #94
I did a few searches when this broke a few weeks ago. CentralMass May 2018 #57
But her current disparagers are because of what she R B Garr May 2018 #61
Where is that coming from ? The post article makes no reference to Sanders supporters ? CentralMass May 2018 #62
The posts are numbered. You responded about Hillary R B Garr May 2018 #64
Let me clarify. Based on what I've read, I believe that she did indeed CentralMass May 2018 #65
She is being targeted again because of the Roseanne Barr R B Garr May 2018 #68
Duplicate reply.. CentralMass Jun 2018 #73
Where does the tie in to Bernie come in ? The right wingers that I know aren't Bernie fans. CentralMass Jun 2018 #74
You can Google for your answers. There is a big tie-in R B Garr Jun 2018 #77
You brought up Bernie and this post and the WAPO article linked on it do not mention Bernie. CentralMass Jun 2018 #86
Read the post you replied to. It brought up Bernie. R B Garr Jun 2018 #90
I replied to a reply that stated this: CentralMass Jun 2018 #93
Yes. And it matters to me that Joy had gay friends Hortensis May 2018 #49
Yes she is a liberal black female workinclasszero Jun 2018 #91
Brace yourself for more. This was Hannity's show last night.... TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #14
And he will repeat it over and over and over... BigmanPigman May 2018 #17
Agreed. Hannity's show is literally like a hypnotist act. TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #19
His uninformed, moronic audience doesn't even know who Joy Reid is. Ligyron May 2018 #39
Given NBC's track record, they're probably right! TrollBuster9090 May 2018 #48
The same Ed Shultz that gets his paycheck from Vladimir Putin? redstateblues Jun 2018 #70
The first time they tried to take her down didn't work so they're at it again. brush May 2018 #23
Yep, but to the sane it is comparing apples and oranges. BigmanPigman May 2018 #25
the diary azureblue May 2018 #31
There's a pattern here FakeNoose Jun 2018 #95
Right or wrong, it was 16 years ago people. mahina May 2018 #3
. Squinch May 2018 #7
Add Puerto Rico and raw shredding of worker protections.. mountain grammy May 2018 #33
Where's the Jr. HS report- obvious and noxious. appalachiablue May 2018 #4
minngal marieo1 May 2018 #5
+1 Lulu KC May 2018 #69
Who cares (NT) The Wizard May 2018 #6
Absolutely correct! HenryWallace May 2018 #11
So what if it's true? MontanaMama May 2018 #8
I think the issue is if it is true FreeState May 2018 #13
100% agree with everything you said. MontanaMama May 2018 #18
That was my problem, as well. Jedi Guy May 2018 #28
do you forgive yourself and the subject azureblue May 2018 #32
I haven't said or done anything to her that requires an apology. Jedi Guy May 2018 #41
I try and remember everyone grows FreeState May 2018 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Jedi Guy May 2018 #43
That was my position as well - I don't care what she said in the past, but I can't condone Midwestern Democrat May 2018 #63
I totally agree nt Raine May 2018 #50
I don't give a shit about that...maybe she thought she didn't write...quite a while ago..she is a Demsrule86 May 2018 #53
I support... Mike Nelson May 2018 #9
The truth will out janterry May 2018 #10
I don't care one way of the other...the right will continue to try to take out people on our side Demsrule86 May 2018 #54
Good lawd, there is some nasty shit from her past blog. n/t demmiblue May 2018 #12
she is under attack KT2000 May 2018 #16
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #20
Hope she handles this better than last time. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #21
I'm done defending her leftynyc May 2018 #22
This has nothing to do with the FBI...and I for one don't give two fucks about this...obvious Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #105
I don't know what she wrote, but DU was full of questions re: 911 and whether we were getting hlthe2b May 2018 #24
After 9/11 PatSeg May 2018 #34
I agree. Many were questioning the truth back then. LiberalLovinLug May 2018 #59
Yes PatSeg May 2018 #66
Interesting about Alex Jones. So many of his type start Hortensis Jun 2018 #75
It really is interesting PatSeg Jun 2018 #81
IF they were to take down Joy, the rift being so Hortensis Jun 2018 #82
This is getting so frustrating PatSeg Jun 2018 #83
Different standard for the whole party, not just Hillary, Hortensis Jun 2018 #84
And even some moderate PatSeg Jun 2018 #87
Agree entirely. As for moderate cons, are there any Hortensis Jun 2018 #96
That is surprising PatSeg Jun 2018 #98
It's Rosanne backlash Liberalhammer May 2018 #26
Thanks for the reminder to wash my socks. n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #30
Oh for FS, what the hell anyways. Bullshit..... marble falls May 2018 #27
#facknews ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #29
It seems like they're working overtime to get her off of MSNBC underthematrix May 2018 #35
What's the update on the hacker? oberliner May 2018 #36
A bgt who cares. Even if every word was true, I would still want her to remain... Demsrule86 May 2018 #55
Fair enough oberliner May 2018 #67
They will do everything they can... dajoki May 2018 #38
Hannity and troops Fuckx ignore everything SayItLoud May 2018 #40
The Russians - including Hannity, Breitbart, and traitor dumpster himself - are on the offensive. debsy May 2018 #42
They are after her again. Demsrule86 May 2018 #51
I'll be astounded if Joy Reid said anything that constitutes grounds for dismissal. Her shows are Prof.Higgins May 2018 #58
Hannity and his ilk are angry at Reid for echoing Alex Jones? Marcuse May 2018 #60
Oh FFS, it was 17 years ago. She's damned good at her job. People evolve, we aren't all saints 100% flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #71
I will not let it go leftynyc Jun 2018 #80
As long as TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #76
So what? JustAnotherGen Jun 2018 #78
So what? leftynyc Jun 2018 #79
I don't watch her show, so I don't have an opinion about her reportage Politicub Jun 2018 #85
They're still trying to get her fired?? Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #88
Since Joy's past writing is to be excused, so is Bernie's right? Arazi Jun 2018 #89
Bernie didn't write that stuff. Dr. Strange Jun 2018 #97
New? Or zombie? JHB Jun 2018 #99
How much is enough? If we don't condemn the failures our own what moral authority do we have? doxyluv13 Jun 2018 #100
She's an effective voice. No holds barred in trying to get her off the air.... NT Adrahil Jun 2018 #101
I don't give a rat's ass grumpyduck Jun 2018 #102
Rachel will be the next one they will go after. This is all deliberate. appleannie1943 Jun 2018 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Jun 2018 #106
I feel she will be leaving MSNBC real soon SummerSnow Jun 2018 #104

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
2. Like Al Franken, she is a loud voice of opposition to the FILTH
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:51 PM
May 2018

so expect her to be VICIOUSLY AND RUTHLESSLY attacked and some of it will happen HERE.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
15. Franken's career as a politician may be over, but I'm hoping he gets a TV show.
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:24 PM
May 2018

It would be nice if he got a commentary show someplace. Maybe he could re-vitalize Air America, and make it WORK this time?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
44. She's not in the way of Presidential aspirations...
Thu May 31, 2018, 07:12 PM
May 2018

and I don't think she's a big enough fish to be targeted by experts. Although maybe some amateurs are trying out something to use on one of the big ratings MSNBC hosts. Apparently she did say some things on her blog back in the day, so it's not like this is totally created from nothing. This is different than Franken's situation, who was both in the way of people with Presidential aspirations AND was a biggie Senator who was one of the most successful in questioning Sessions & others in hearings AND in articulating to the public what's going on.

The FBI is investigating, isn't it? So we'll see what it says.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
46. Read the article of the OP. It was announced a while back...the FBI isn't investigating HER...
Thu May 31, 2018, 07:27 PM
May 2018

they were investigating whether someone hacked her blog. She & MSNBC both wanted the investigation, I think.

The FBI investigation is mentioned again in the OP article. But I thought I'd read that the FBI couldn't find evidence of hacking. Maybe I'm misremembering, though.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
52. She spoke out against Sen. Sanders and I think his wife and Joy exchanged words
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:31 PM
May 2018

as well. Why should the FBI investigate whether 9-11 was a conspiracy post...lots of folks including my own husband questioned this. My theory is there are few conspiracies because people can't keep quiet about it...so I tend to ignore such things.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
56. Joy Reid and/or MSNBC asked FBI to investigate hacking of her account.
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:42 PM
May 2018

That's what I recall reading at the time. So you have to ask them whether they should have asked the FBI to do that. I suppose hacking of a talk show host falls w/in the FBI's realm of responsibility.

Questioned what?

This wasn't a conspiracy post being investigated. It's the hacking that is or was investigated. I guess she's saying that she didn't push that Alex Jones 911 conspiracy video or whatever it was so must have been hacked. I guess.

Reid won an award or something, but she's not one of the high ratings hosts. She's not a biggie among the biggies at MSNBC. The biggies are Maddow, McDonnell, Matthews, Ari, MJ show.

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
72. I think Joy is a "biggie".
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 02:37 AM
Jun 2018

And I'm with her as she is now, not as she was then. People are allowed to evolve and change, and if they're not given the opportunity to do that, there would be no reason to ever re-evaluate one's beliefs. Continuously holding fast to beliefs in the face of opposing facts is the modus operandi of the rightwing.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
92. hear, hear. I'm for that.
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jun 2018

I will be watching Joy and listening to her podcast until they snatch her from the airwaves. She's great!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
94. I don't watch her show, so I have no opinion.
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jun 2018

I haven't seen her old blog or posts, so I can't really say how important they are.

She seems to have a following, but technically speaking, her ratings don't compare with several others at MSNBC, so she wouldn't be considered one of the biggest talk show hosts at the network. I don't know when her show is on....on the weekend, I think I read?

She doesn't pose much risk to the right, because she's not high profile enough, compared with Joe Scarborough, Maddow, Ari, and Matthews...also O'Donnell. That's no diss to anyone who is not one of those, but those are the ones that are highest profile, in prime time, and have the highest consistent ratings. Those prime timers would be the ones the right would target, IMO. Like if liberals were to go after individuals at Fox, they'd go first at Hannity...people like that.

I'm sure Joy is great. I just haven't seen her show, so she comes on at a time I don't watch the station. She did win an award, I read. So kudos for that.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
57. I did a few searches when this broke a few weeks ago.
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:47 PM
May 2018

She allegedly made some pretty disparaging comments about Hillary back during the 2008 primary on that blog among other things that have been discussed. The related links to the blog were blocked by the so called "bot" that the IT people that she hired put in place.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
61. But her current disparagers are because of what she
Thu May 31, 2018, 09:29 PM
May 2018

said recently about Bernie. Trying the datamining tricks on her so as to try and stop her. This isn’t about Hillary.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
64. The posts are numbered. You responded about Hillary
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:19 PM
May 2018

to post #52 — what about Hillary. Post 52 wasn’t about Hillary and Hillary is not mentioned in the article.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
65. Let me clarify. Based on what I've read, I believe that she did indeed
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:31 PM
May 2018

write the things on her blog that she (denies ?) that she wrote. I put that denied in parenthesis because I'm not sure if she was actually denying she wrote them or just stating that she couldn't believe she would have written such things. She has also stated that neither her own people or the FBI have found s evidence that her blog was altered.

I don't know why people keep bringing it up here.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
68. She is being targeted again because of the Roseanne Barr
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:44 PM
May 2018

debacle. That’s why it’s being dragged out again. This time the RWers are using the datamining that was done against her because she questions Bernie.

IOW, Barr’s fans are bringing up anything they can find on Leftwing media types, etc. She’s not the only one.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
74. Where does the tie in to Bernie come in ? The right wingers that I know aren't Bernie fans.
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:14 AM
Jun 2018

Is there a source or link that suggests that her questioning Bernie (does she question him ?) are why this latest attack is being brought up ?

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
77. You can Google for your answers. There is a big tie-in
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 08:10 AM
Jun 2018

to Bernie. Read the subthread in order. Read the post you responded to. You brought up Hillary. This isn’t about Hillary. Joy was datamined by some haters before this RW episode.

Google for your answers, including searching this website.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
90. Read the post you replied to. It brought up Bernie.
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:06 PM
Jun 2018

You should read the post you replied to. It brought up Bernie.

Then you brought up Hillary.

This isn’t about Hillary.

This is about the third go around with the same distraction. Read the post you replied to. I even gave you the post number. Read the post and read the subthread, The posts are numbered.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
93. I replied to a reply that stated this:
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:32 PM
Jun 2018

" But her current disparagers are because of what she
said recently about Bernie. Trying the datamining tricks on her so as to try and stop her. This isn’t about Hillary"


The post itself, or the WAPO article linked in the the post does not mention Bernie supporters data mining. Is this your opinion that the WAPO article that this post is about was written due to Bernie supporters data mining?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
49. Yes. And it matters to me that Joy had gay friends
Thu May 31, 2018, 07:50 PM
May 2018

then, and she has gay friends now, not like the sorts she's being false-equalized with.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
91. Yes she is a liberal black female
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jun 2018

Some people 'on our side' get a special thrill taking down a person like that apparently.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
14. Brace yourself for more. This was Hannity's show last night....
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:22 PM
May 2018

About a third of Hannity's television 'pogrom' last night was basically this:

"Sure Roseanne spewed some racist crap...BUT

--Whatabout Joy Reid's blog?
--Whatabout Jimmy Kimmel's MAN SHOW black face act?
--Whatabout Alec Baldwin calling his daughter a 'little pig'?
--Whatabout ABC re-hiring keith Olbermann who called Trump a Nazi?
--Whatabout Joy Behar calling religion a mental illness?
--Whatabout Bill Maher's calling Trump an orangutan? etc."

So, I wasn't at all surprised to see Joy Reid as a renewed target for flackery this morning.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
17. And he will repeat it over and over and over...
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:30 PM
May 2018

and the deaf, dumb and blind sheep will follow their propaganda. Even when the whole shit show comes falling down eventually they will have excuses for defending treasonous acts that have been proven with FACTS from an investigation. There is no hope for them. They have deep sociological and religious issues that have been going on for 40+ years. They are the perfect audience for anyone to deceive, Putin was not "smart" to target them and their weaknesses with his propaganda. The same goes with Fux Ruse. Their attitude and actions have been obvious to anyone with an IQ over 25 for a very long time. They are called "deplorables" for a reason.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
19. Agreed. Hannity's show is literally like a hypnotist act.
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:34 PM
May 2018

He doesn't even have a monologue. He just looks into the camera and shouts the same talking points over and over again to an audience that's strapped into their living room chairs like Malcom McDowall in A Clockwork Orange. They're being conditioned like a bunch of Pavlovian dogs.

The only hope of stopping this particular propaganda machine is that the Michael Cohen case uncovers some CRIMINAL activity by Hannity (money laundering for Russians), and he's brought down by that.



Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
39. His uninformed, moronic audience doesn't even know who Joy Reid is.
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:50 PM
May 2018

This is to scare MSNBC in hopes that they might take her off the air.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
48. Given NBC's track record, they're probably right!
Thu May 31, 2018, 07:33 PM
May 2018

So far, NBC and MSNBC hasn't shown me any reason to believe they have a spine.

They fired Melissa Harris-Perry for talking too much about African Americans, and fired Ed Schultz for being too pro union. And then, as if needing to prove their idiocy even more, they hired Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren to chase after those mythical 'centrists.'

Joy Reid is so good at her job, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find that they are people at NBC just looking for an excuse to trash her.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
25. Yep, but to the sane it is comparing apples and oranges.
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:18 PM
May 2018

The GOP propaganda machine is spinning itself into a tiz going non stop 24/7 with social media and Fux Ruse BS. The GOP base is too caught up in hatred that they can not distinguish between similar but different issues. It is all lumped together in their pea size brains. Congrats to the GOP hate/propaganda machine! They are winning with the help of Putin, the Mercers and Kochs. $$$$$$$$ wins as usual.

mahina

(17,648 posts)
3. Right or wrong, it was 16 years ago people.
Thu May 31, 2018, 03:57 PM
May 2018

Why are we about to enter a trade war with Mexico and Canada?

Why are we separating children from their parents at the border?

Why are we defunding climate science?

Who gives the tiniest care about something Joy Reid wrote in 2011?

If we now have a standard of perfection for all written and spoken thoughts, can we please start with the orange blasphemy in the White House please?

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
5. minngal
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:01 PM
May 2018

Leave Joy Reid alone..........she is our fighter and she is totally honest in her opinion. People are just trying to defame her. She is brilliant!!

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
8. So what if it's true?
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:03 PM
May 2018

Holy crap - which one of us hasn't switched gears, found out we were wrong, changed our minds, totally blew it, piped off when we shouldn't have or subscribed to a conspiracy theory at one time or another. Ignore this side show and keep moving forward. Do NOT let the RWNJ's succeed at this latest attempt to take down one of our best and brightest voices. This is in their playbook and we know it.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
13. I think the issue is if it is true
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:21 PM
May 2018

she said she was hacked. There is an integrity issue there. If she has said some homophobic/racist bullshit in the past she should take ownership of it.

Homophobia still kills, regardless of its source or age. Stigma is only built when we look the other way.

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
18. 100% agree with everything you said.
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:32 PM
May 2018

And, if she was hacked we need to know more about that as well. Homophobia kills. Yes.

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
28. That was my problem, as well.
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:23 PM
May 2018

If she legit said those things, then she should cop to it, explain that her views have evolved since that time, and apologize for having said it. She did apologize, but then she backtracked and said she was hacked. To the best of my knowledge, no conclusive proof of hacking was ever presented.

So now on top of having said the wrong things (a long time ago, 'tis true) she's potentially lied in an attempt to avoid culpability. I can absolutely forgive someone for having less progressive views in the past, because we can all change and grow. I have a harder time forgiving lies.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
32. do you forgive yourself and the subject
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:27 PM
May 2018

if and when you jump to conclusions and spread half truths? If this turns out to be yet another smear, will you write to her and apologize?

Jedi Guy

(3,185 posts)
41. I haven't said or done anything to her that requires an apology.
Thu May 31, 2018, 06:56 PM
May 2018

I said she's potentially lied about being hacked. She has put forward no proof (again, that I am aware of) to substantiate her claims of being hacked. She made the claim, so the onus is on her to prove it.

Again, her past views (if indeed she was not hacked) are absolutely forgivable. People do learn, grow, and change. If she'd let the matter rest with her initial apology, I doubt any more would have been said on the matter. When she backtracked and claimed to be the victim of hacking, she complicated the matter with an unproven claim. If she has proof, why hasn't she shown it to date?

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
37. I try and remember everyone grows
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:41 PM
May 2018

and I agree if she said it she should cop to it and hopefully use it as a teaching moment.

I'm nearly 50 and have been out of the closet for over 25 years. I still find internalized homophobia within myself. Regardless of my orientation, I was still grew up in the 70's and 80's in the USA. It's what we do when we discover bias in our beliefs that defines our character.

Response to FreeState (Reply #37)

63. That was my position as well - I don't care what she said in the past, but I can't condone
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:11 PM
May 2018

a journalist making up a false hacking claim to discredit a news report about those past statements.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
53. I don't give a shit about that...maybe she thought she didn't write...quite a while ago..she is a
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:33 PM
May 2018

fierce voice for our side...so I will not watch MSNBC if they cave to the right wing.

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
9. I support...
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:09 PM
May 2018

Joy Reid 100%. But, I do want to know what's going on with this effort to take her down. I predict it will fail.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
54. I don't care one way of the other...the right will continue to try to take out people on our side
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:35 PM
May 2018

that are effective...not helping them by worrying about shit from 16 years ago.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
16. she is under attack
Thu May 31, 2018, 04:27 PM
May 2018

I hope she does not even respond. After Roseanne was canned, we can expect more of these oppo research attacks. Suppose the rest of MSNBC hosts are in the wings for attacks as well.

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
105. This has nothing to do with the FBI...and I for one don't give two fucks about this...obvious
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 09:55 PM
Jun 2018

attack...learned my lesson in 16 about this shit.

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
24. I don't know what she wrote, but DU was full of questions re: 911 and whether we were getting
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:17 PM
May 2018

the full truth. The 911 commission published their big report, but they did not address everything.

Alex Jones was always nutty, but 16 years ago, he was a whole lot less bizarre and off the rails then he is now, so maybe she commented on something that wasn't just totally tin foil hat.

Whatever. I'm done with the attacks on Joy. Show me something she is doing now or recently and maybe I'll listen.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
34. After 9/11
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:34 PM
May 2018

I ran across Alex Jones and I didn't know anything about him. He definitely wasn't as nutty as he is now and many people had serious questions about 9/11 and the Bush administration. Alex Jones was critical of George Bush and Dick Cheney, so he had readers/listeners more on the left than the right. I spent very little time on his site, as he was looking for ways to charge people for his theories. Clearly he was more of a carnival barker or snake oil salesman, but he took advantage of a volatile time, when people weren't buying the official version of events.

It is very possible that Reid also was suspicious of the events of the day and ran into a less caffeinated version of Jones.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
59. I agree. Many were questioning the truth back then.
Thu May 31, 2018, 09:08 PM
May 2018

Especially when Dubya and Dick were caught in lies of monumental proportions themselves.

All she said, from the report, was:

“The fundamental question is: do you believe the official story of 9/11? If you do, great. If you don’t, then everything that happened after that is called into serious question. Even if you’re agnostic, or you tend to believe that al-Qaida attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon and that the government had no warning such a thing could happen, it’s worth taking a second look.”

and

“For that matter, why did any of the WTV [sic] buildings fall...?” the blog says. “Somehow I think it will be a generation before we get the full story on what happened on 9/11.”

I'm sorry but there is STILL no concrete reasoning why those buildings fell like they fell, or why building 7 fell down also like a demolition blocks away. The building where 3000 to 4000 cases investigating Wall Street were destroyed conveniently. There are STILL unanswered questions. I don't get why simply having questions about it makes you crazy or unpatriotic or whatever the charges against her would be.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
66. Yes
Thu May 31, 2018, 10:49 PM
May 2018

The questions she asked were very reasonable and shared by many at the time. A lot of questions still go unanswered and I have resigned myself to the fact, that they probably won't be answered in my lifetime. Meanwhile, we all have seen the repercussions of that day. We are seeing them still. Maybe history will paint a clearer picture, because the mainstream one is still unsatisfying, especially as we watch tyrant try to destroy our democracy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
75. Interesting about Alex Jones. So many of his type start
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:40 AM
Jun 2018

on the farther left and go right as they find their sweetest-spot market. I can just imagine you giving this carnival barker's wisdom the go-by.

As for Joy,... She was strictly extremely small potatoes in 2001, and until people hit the really big time I'm guessing they normally can get away with a lot of opportunistic behaviors. Like most, she probably used what was available, touched on touchy subjects, to spark interest in what she was putting out. From what you say, Alex Jones would have been disreputable but not enough yet to make reference to him what it would be today. There's no point, though, at which I would have recommended that film. I assume.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
81. It really is interesting
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 09:52 AM
Jun 2018

There are far more than I would have thought possible. Alex Jones is neither far right or far left, he is a peddler of extremist theories. The period following 9/11 must have been full of opportunities for carpetbagger types. Unfortunately a lot of them are still with us, selling whatever the market allows.

There was so much outrage in the early 2000s, starting with the presidential election, people were frantic for answers. After 9/11, it was considered unpatriotic to criticize the administration, so people had to look beyond the mainstream media to find answers. That is how many of us ended up on Democratic Underground. There were a lot of really good websites that popped up at the time. DU was the one I frequented the most.

There are people who will never question the official version of any story and the polar opposite, who will always see a conspiracy. People Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh were more than happy to accommodate the latter.

It certainly looks like someone(s) wants to take down Joy Reid. The standards are ridiculously high for anyone perceived as being on the left.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
82. IF they were to take down Joy, the rift being so
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jun 2018

constantly pried at between the black bloc of the party and the rest would widen a bit more. And even among others, it'd be one of many new wedges being created between those who accepted or approved and those who were outraged. However this started, for sure the opportunity is being exploited to the max.

I'm getting worried for Joy today. My standards are for honesty, decency and competence in general. I don't approve a lot of what's coming out from the past, but what she's producing now matters more.

But more and more keeps being reported by those Buzzfeed journalists because it's there to find. She handled it extremely definitively and competently initially, no one could have been more proactive or have better friends to speak up for her, but the Columbia Journalism Review is agreeing that the "issue" is morphing into one of trustworthiness.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
83. This is getting so frustrating
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jun 2018

We have a monster in the White House, who says and does outrageous things on a daily basis, as well as many republican politicians who lie and cheat and barely get a slap on the wrist. If a Democrat or liberal makes the smallest of mistakes, they get crucified, sometimes even if it isn't true.

Why is "trustworthiness" only an issue for those on the left? It is ridiculous and very frustrating. Just another stupid distraction and the media has lost its perspective. Everything is a scandal.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. Different standard for the whole party, not just Hillary,
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:06 PM
Jun 2018

an insidious one that can never be met.

Partner to the massive deception the right's used for decades to avoid being identified by its evil and betrayals, that we're really just like them, Oscar Meyer baloney to their Hormel spam.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
87. And even some moderate
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:47 PM
Jun 2018

anti Trump republicans are fair game. It is pretty clear that these people believe in absolutely nothing. Maybe it was inevitable, being so many republican politicians have really been faking it for decades - small government, reduce the deficit, responsible spending, patriotism, pro veterans, pro family values, etc. When put to the test, most of them only cared about their corporate overlords, power, and greed. So many are finally showing their true colors, rotten to the core.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
96. Agree entirely. As for moderate cons, are there any
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:43 PM
Jun 2018

worth keeping? I remember back during the 1990s and early 2000s when moderate conservatives, those who didn't support the move to hard-core social and anti-government laissez-faire policy to serve the new ultrawealthy classes, were driven out of national politics. And no doubt state. Traditional conservatism itself was purged as an ideology. Survivors posing as moderate, like McCain and Collins, sold out long ago to keep their cushy jobs.

Sigh. Sean Hannity now says Joy's apology should be accepted and move on.

... Someone needs to take the lead in cable news and stop the “crush, fire them, and destroy hosts you may disagree with” environment. I guess as the number one rated host in cable, I’ll start.

Joy, nod courteously to the scorpion if you see him, but if he asks for a ride across the river, tell him you're going a different direction.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
98. That is surprising
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 09:15 AM
Jun 2018

coming from Hannity of all people, though he might be trying to diverts attacks on him. I can't believe Fox hasn't fired him yet. He has become more outrageous the past couple of years.

I suppose the problem with traditional moderate conservatives is republicans tend to be sheep and though they may have once believed what they said, they will follow the leader, even if it is off a cliff. Republicans' unwavering unity and their tendency to speak as one voice has been their strength politically, but I think it is about to be their downfall.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
26. It's Rosanne backlash
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:20 PM
May 2018

You don't have defend Joy Reid, but understand that this is another attack to push her off the air and discredit here among us.

Don't take the bait and switch.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
55. A bgt who cares. Even if every word was true, I would still want her to remain...
Thu May 31, 2018, 08:37 PM
May 2018

She is fierce and having evolved on that issue myself. I don't give two fucks.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
67. Fair enough
Thu May 31, 2018, 11:17 PM
May 2018

But I do think she should let us know if any hacking was discovered, or if she has maybe remembered that she did post those things (if she did).

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
40. Hannity and troops Fuckx ignore everything
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:52 PM
May 2018

tRUMP says and does. I choose to do the same with JR.
We better start fighting fire with fire.

VOTE.

debsy

(530 posts)
42. The Russians - including Hannity, Breitbart, and traitor dumpster himself - are on the offensive.
Thu May 31, 2018, 07:03 PM
May 2018

This is a full on assault in an attempt to divert attention. We need to stay focused on the facts are coming out and causing them to pull out all the stops.

Prof.Higgins

(194 posts)
58. I'll be astounded if Joy Reid said anything that constitutes grounds for dismissal. Her shows are
Thu May 31, 2018, 09:05 PM
May 2018

invariably among the most informative of the week. All the same, her having to move to a radio program or podcast would not be as devastating as the loss of Senator Al Franken in the public Committee hearings and in media interviews.

Franken had the unique quality of being able to crystallize issues in a such a clear way that those who don't follow political discourse as avidly as we do here in the DU forums could readily understand, and his accomplishing this invaluable service with a ton of common sense instead of resorting to dumbing down was exceptional.

I hope, for the sake of our democracy and our planet, it will turn out that Joy Reid continues to be such a potent, intelligent and cogent and voice in our MSM.

Marcuse

(7,479 posts)
60. Hannity and his ilk are angry at Reid for echoing Alex Jones?
Thu May 31, 2018, 09:12 PM
May 2018

That’s as pretextual as Trump being angry at Comey because he hurt HRC’s campaign.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
71. Oh FFS, it was 17 years ago. She's damned good at her job. People evolve, we aren't all saints 100%
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:02 AM
Jun 2018

of our lives. I've thought some stupid shit years ago (I went through a brief religious phase in my late teens). I've matured. My friends don't hold it against me, and I've forgiven myself

Let it go for goodness sake.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
80. I will not let it go
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 09:12 AM
Jun 2018

as instead of putting out a statement saying exactly what you have - that she was wrong, that she knows better now and apologies to those she offended by her stance - she claimed she was hacked. I'm waiting for the fbi to finish their work before I defend her again.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
76. As long as
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 07:49 AM
Jun 2018

She doesn't still believe this, I'm ok with her changing and growing as a human, etc.

Left-wing 9/11 conspiracy theorists were a dime a dozen when W was Pres, so this doesn't surprise me at all.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
79. So what?
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 09:10 AM
Jun 2018

Just ask yourself if you would be saying the same thing if a right winger had this in their history. I'm done defending her and will wait for the fbi to determine if she was hacked (which, as far as I know, she hasn't claimed about this latest stuff).

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
85. I don't watch her show, so I don't have an opinion about her reportage
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jun 2018

But the posts in question are pretty benign. It shouldn't be enough for her to lose her job.

If everyone gets held to the need to be perfect, especially for posts that are a decade old, none of us are safe.

And, I will not play the false-equivalency games of the right. Roseanne is a racist. End of discussion. Reid's blog is in no way similar to Roseanne's ongoing rantings.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
88. They're still trying to get her fired??
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jun 2018

and if a 9-year-old blog post on a slow news day is all they got, then god help them...

doxyluv13

(247 posts)
100. How much is enough? If we don't condemn the failures our own what moral authority do we have?
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:44 PM
Jun 2018

She pretty clearly has lied about this. Nor has she disavowed her Trutherism.

I don't expect the network that hired the disgraced Brian Williams to fire her, but her growing lack of credibility hurts the cause, whether she is representing herself as a progressive now or not.

grumpyduck

(6,232 posts)
102. I don't give a rat's ass
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 04:53 PM
Jun 2018

what she may have said nine tears ago. People change, they grow, they admit mistakes and correct them (some do, anyway). All this hubbub is just a distraction from what's really important nowadays.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
103. Rachel will be the next one they will go after. This is all deliberate.
Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jun 2018

They are turning over every little pebble they can find.

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