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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,457 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:11 AM Jun 2018

At urging of Minneapolis police, Hennepin EMS workers subdued dozens with a powerful sedative

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

At urging of Minneapolis police, Hennepin EMS workers subdued dozens with a powerful sedative

EMS workers used date rape drug ketamine, stopping some suspects' hearts or breathing.

By Andy Mannix Star Tribune JUNE 14, 2018 — 10:46 PM

Minneapolis police officers have repeatedly requested over the past three years that Hennepin County medical responders sedate people using the powerful tranquilizer ketamine, at times over the protests of those being drugged, and in some cases when no apparent crime was committed, a city report shows.

On multiple occasions, in the presence of police, Hennepin Healthcare EMS workers injected suspects of crimes and others who already appeared to be restrained, according to the report, and the ketamine caused heart or breathing failure, requiring them to be medically revived. Several people given ketamine had to be intubated.

These are among the findings of an investigation conducted by the Office of Police Conduct Review, a division of the city’s Department of Civil Rights. The draft report has been circulated narrowly within City Hall but not disseminated to the public. The Star Tribune has obtained a copy.

The number of documented ketamine injections during Minneapolis police calls increased from three in 2012 to 62 last year, the report found, including four uses on the same person. On May 18, around the time the draft report was completed, Minneapolis police Cmdr. Todd Sauvageau issued a departmental order saying that officers “shall never suggest or demand EMS Personnel ‘sedated’ a subject. This is a decision that needs to be clearly made by EMS Personnel, not MPD Officers.”
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At urging of Minneapolis police, Hennepin EMS workers subdued dozens with a powerful sedative (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 OP
Sounds like the police all need to be in jail. OregonBlue Jun 2018 #1
More and more a police state each day, the US. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2018 #2
I'm betting that most of that 62 were people of color, too. MineralMan Jun 2018 #3
Not a doubt in my mind. marble falls Jun 2018 #24
This would kill me due to low blood pressure. Nt onlyadream Jun 2018 #4
Me too... Zoonart Jun 2018 #9
"Resisting arrest" would be added to the charges. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 #12
What on earth has happened to this country! Lonestarblue Jun 2018 #5
EMS workers should also pay a consequence randr Jun 2018 #6
Deadly tools in the... relogic Jun 2018 #7
I guess the EMS folks don't take the Hippocratic oath there. bitterross Jun 2018 #8
No, but they do have this: pazzyanne Jun 2018 #14
sickening arithia Jun 2018 #10
Very sad...that the cops could order this. Put them in jail Stuart G Jun 2018 #11
Cops are practicing medicine without a license. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2018 #17
damn!!! heaven05 Jun 2018 #13
I worked in a hospital for 37 years. TNNurse Jun 2018 #15
I would think most paramedic teams have it Sgent Jun 2018 #19
I agree. The PD doesnt have a medical license to order medications. 7962 Jun 2018 #22
Minnesota Nice? Not in Minneapolis apparently. irisblue Jun 2018 #16
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2018 #18
Ketamine or Vitamin K is horse tranquilizer truthisfreedom Jun 2018 #20
Are the inmates happier? Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #26
I don't think it's funny at all. I find it fascinating. truthisfreedom Jun 2018 #27
And MILLIONS of Minneapolis taxpayer dollars will be paid out to these victims. 7962 Jun 2018 #21
I CANNOT believe this is legal under ANY circumstance. BigDemVoter Jun 2018 #23
Those cops need to go to prison. Solly Mack Jun 2018 #25
+1 truthisfreedom Jun 2018 #28

Lonestarblue

(9,993 posts)
5. What on earth has happened to this country!
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jun 2018

I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe where people’s basic rights are just ignored by those in power. Many police now seem to think that they have the right to freely violate individual rights. Forced drugging without even knowing whether people have existing health problems that might cause their deaths from the drug is unscionsible. But I’m thinking that about daily behavior in this country I used to feel good about. I know some of the reasons for why we’re here, but how how do we get out of this mess? Voting for Democrats will help, but right-wing propaganda isn’t going away.

relogic

(155 posts)
7. Deadly tools in the...
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

hands of empowered thugs. Our law enforcement no longer deserve the benefit of our trust. I’ve tired of reading here the outright brutality and subsequent manipulating of incriminating evidence that would reveal their lawlessness.

Americans don’t need finger wagging at us from law and order fascist types as to the value of ordered society. The police culture has become the very oppressors of this order too many times.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
8. I guess the EMS folks don't take the Hippocratic oath there.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jun 2018

They should all be fired. That is dangerous, immoral and unethical.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
14. No, but they do have this:
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

To guide their actions, paramedics swear an oath and abide by a conduct code adopted by the National Association of Emergency Medical Technicians (NAMET) in 1978"

arithia

(455 posts)
10. sickening
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jun 2018

Save them from "exhaustion" my ass. This drug can save lives all right... in a controlled, clinical setting. There are psych patients all over this country eager to get into Ketamine trials for depression (this sh*t stops suicidal impulses with one dose. One. lasting effects, too) and these assholes are using it as a weapon, playing with people's lives.

Just sickening.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. Cops are practicing medicine without a license.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:38 PM
Jun 2018

They and the EMP people need to be hauled into court.

I sense lawsuits in the works.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. damn!!!
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jun 2018

what a difference an election makes. Don't get me wrong, this city and nation have always been FULL of racist wypipo. This elected potus wypipo have now told ALL POLICE, during the campaign, that they had to get meaner, meaning more racist.

And the depths of the racist hate, that wypipo had been nurturing quietly and media has been ignoring since slavery and years of major Civil Rights legislation, 48, 57, 64, 65, has popped open like a HUGE infected tumour all over the racial, cultural fabric that is america.

All this legislation to help wypipo do the right thing by their fellow citizens of color and culture and here we are 2018 and fighting the same racist mindset of the 1800's, 1900's 21st century...goddamn the racists of ameriKKKa!!!!!

FUBAR.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
15. I worked in a hospital for 37 years.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:01 PM
Jun 2018

I had no idea EMS had access to ketamine. Is this legal everywhere? And EMS should work through protocols and ER MD orders not law enforcement. Law enforcement does not have the authority to order meds anywhere. People should be fired, licenses revoked, people locked up.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
19. I would think most paramedic teams have it
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 12:54 PM
Jun 2018

its a better option in the field than morphine / dilaudid for instance, and they should have something.

That said, I agree. Who the hell was the MD and who the hell kept on restocking the ambulance?

truthisfreedom

(23,147 posts)
20. Ketamine or Vitamin K is horse tranquilizer
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 01:05 PM
Jun 2018

Used as a recreational drug, it causes severe hallucinations and strangely enough can cause long-lasting reduction of depression.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
26. Are the inmates happier?
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jun 2018

Just trying to look on the sunny side...heh heh. (re depression relief) Not funny. i know. Just throwin that out there.
Animal tranquilizer alone seems like a Federal civil Rights violation.

truthisfreedom

(23,147 posts)
27. I don't think it's funny at all. I find it fascinating.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:52 PM
Jun 2018

Unintended consequences... perhaps in some cases the victims had a nice trip AND ended up in a better mind set.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
21. And MILLIONS of Minneapolis taxpayer dollars will be paid out to these victims.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 01:52 PM
Jun 2018

But will ANYONE with the PD be held responsible???

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
25. Those cops need to go to prison.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jun 2018

As should the medical responders.

They could have said no.

Even with any possible reprisals from the police - they still should have said no.

And the victims should sue! sue! sue!

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