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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 02:59 PM Jun 2018

Major Study of Drinking Should be Stopped, N.I.H. Says

Source: New York Times

An extensive government trial was intended to settle age-old questions about alcohol and the American diet. Does a daily cocktail or beer protect against heart attacks and stroke? What about diabetes?

To find out, the National Institutes of Health gave scientists $100 million to fund a global study comparing people who drink alcohol with those who don’t. Its conclusions could have enshrined alcohol as part of a healthy diet.

As it turned out, much of the money for the study came from the alcohol industry. Earlier this year, The New York Times reported that officials at the National Institute on Alcohol and Alcohol Abuse, part of the N.I.H., had solicited that funding from alcohol manufacturers, a violation of federal policy.

On Friday, an advisory panel to Dr. Francis Collins, director of the N.I.H., recommended that the trial be stopped altogether. Shortly afterward, Dr. Collins agreed that the trial should be terminated.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/major-study-of-drinking-should-be-stopped-nih-says/ar-AAyHowG?ocid=ientp



Appears as if some in N.I.H. were soliciting funds for the study from reps in the alcohol industry.
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Major Study of Drinking Should be Stopped, N.I.H. Says (Original Post) Devil Child Jun 2018 OP
Doesn't surprise me a bit. BigmanPigman Jun 2018 #1
Exactly. elleng Jun 2018 #2
Yes to both....and more. Maxheader Jun 2018 #20
My 60 yo husband came home last month complaining of his foot slapping the ground Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #3
It seems that that condition is connected to chronic alcoholism -- a drink a day pnwmom Jun 2018 #16
I would doubt alcohol as etiologic here elias7 Jun 2018 #19
$100 million could have built the damn wall FakeNoose Jun 2018 #4
No. LisaL Jun 2018 #7
OK but my point is ... FakeNoose Jun 2018 #9
Cancer risks and alcohol. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #5
That is why I take all of these "studies" with a grain of salt. Marie Marie Jun 2018 #6
The Margarita Study, in particular, should be taken with a grain of salt. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2018 #8
Well, as long as you were unpaid and not beholden to special interests, Marie Marie Jun 2018 #12
I guess what they're saying is the Alcohol Industry is paying for the study ..therefore it's skewed YOHABLO Jun 2018 #10
Also seems to imply study is skewed not just because of alchol industry funding Devil Child Jun 2018 #11
K&R. Good point. That fact destroys their independence and impartiality. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #21
when I was a kid and went with my dad Mosby Jun 2018 #15
Not yet, but I plan to break the trend. Midnight Writer Jun 2018 #18
If the study is put together well who cares where the money comes from? former9thward Jun 2018 #13
I am in agreement. Devil Child Jun 2018 #14
I'll drink to that Major Nikon Jun 2018 #17

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
1. Doesn't surprise me a bit.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jun 2018

Did the tobacco industry pay doctors to say cigarettes aren't killing YOU? Did the Pharm Industry pay doctors to prescribe Oxy and painkillers knowing they were addictive?

Freethinker65

(10,023 posts)
3. My 60 yo husband came home last month complaining of his foot slapping the ground
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:20 PM
Jun 2018

He went to see the doctor and now is getting an MRI of the cerebellum for possible alcohol polyneuropathy. He would typically have a cocktail after coming home from work. I would never call his drinking alcoholism, but after reading about his symptoms there does appear to be a link between his current condition and life long casual drinking of alcohol.

We are hoping the outcome of the MRI is unremarkable and that his symptoms have another cause (perhaps a damaged nerve, etc.), but alcohol neuropathy needs to be ruled out.

I, though not a drinker, was one that believed a daily drink was not harmful and perhaps had benefits. Now I am not so sure.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. It seems that that condition is connected to chronic alcoholism -- a drink a day
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jun 2018

wouldn't fall in that category. (I say that as an almost tea-totaler.)

But it has been also linked to vitamin deficiencies. I had a b-12 deficiency myself, which can cause nerve damage, and this is pretty common at your husband's age. I hope they're testing him for that and other vitamin deficiencies.

This nerve damage causes an individual to experience pain and motor weakness, first in the feet and hands and then progressing centrally. Alcoholic polyneuropathy is caused primarily by chronic alcoholism; however, vitamin deficiencies are also known to contribute to its development.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_polyneuropathy

elias7

(4,007 posts)
19. I would doubt alcohol as etiologic here
Sat Jun 16, 2018, 06:37 AM
Jun 2018

The list of potential causes is huge, and ranges from peripheral to central processes, and can be related to certain systemic diseases, metabolic, nutritional, toxicologic, trauma, malignancies, etc. One drink a night is not typically going to result in the liver toxicity, cardiomyopathies, neurologic or cognitive. I am assuming the doctor he saw is a neurologist. If not, a PCP is not generally able to adequately work up neuromuscular or neurologic disorders and although MRI gives a lot of info and may suggest a diagnosis, a neurologist is key here. Good luck!

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
4. $100 million could have built the damn wall
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 03:22 PM
Jun 2018

Not that I want a wall, but what is WRONG with these people?
Fund the ACA, feed some hungry people, do something useful.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
6. That is why I take all of these "studies" with a grain of salt.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:04 PM
Jun 2018

Until you know who is funding the research, it is hard to know what is legit and what has been fudged.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
8. The Margarita Study, in particular, should be taken with a grain of salt.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jun 2018

I have done some unpaid research on the topic.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
12. Well, as long as you were unpaid and not beholden to special interests,
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jun 2018

I will happily take your results as fact, despite your wonderful username.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
10. I guess what they're saying is the Alcohol Industry is paying for the study ..therefore it's skewed
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:26 PM
Jun 2018

Does anyone else have relatives who drink and they're living to be in their 90s and eve 100s?

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
11. Also seems to imply study is skewed not just because of alchol industry funding
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:29 PM
Jun 2018

But also N.I.H. solicitation of Alcohol Industry funding while implying the study results would favor the industry.

Mosby

(16,317 posts)
15. when I was a kid and went with my dad
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jun 2018

To the morning weekday minyan (Jewish prayer service) there was a breakfast afterwards. Some of the old timers would do a couple shots from the whiskey or scotch bottles on the tables. my dad said it was good for them somehow and was traditional.


former9thward

(32,016 posts)
13. If the study is put together well who cares where the money comes from?
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jun 2018

It seems some are afraid of what the answers will be so they would rather hide their head in the sand.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
14. I am in agreement.
Fri Jun 15, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jun 2018

If there is way to fund impartially I have no qualms where the money comes from. Seems the main concern was N.I.H. solicitation of funding while implying certain research outcomes.

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