UPDATED: Rudy Giuliani says Mueller probe 'might get cleaned up' with 'presidential pardons'...

[DonViejo]

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Source: NY Daily News


Rudy Giuliani says Mueller probe 'might get cleaned up' with 'presidential pardons' in light of Paul Manafort going to jail

By CHRIS SOMMERFELDT
JUN 15, 2018 3:05 PM

In one of his most forceful attacks on the special counsel yet, Rudy Giuliani on Friday claimed the Russia investigation could get "cleaned up" with pardons from President Trump in light Paul Manafort being sent to jail.

"When the whole thing is over, things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons," the former New York mayor told the Daily News.

Giuliani's stunning remark came hours after a Washington, D.C., judge revoked Manafort's bail and ordered him to remain behind bars while awaiting his September trial on charges relating to his shady pro-Russian business dealings in Ukraine. The ruling came after Robert Mueller's investigators alleged Manafort had attempted to tamper with witnesses in the Russia investigation.

Giuliani, who worked as a federal prosecutor for nearly a decade, claimed he had seen no evidence to warrant Manafort being sent to jail.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-rudy-muller-pardons-trump-manafort-20180615-story.html

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UPDATE

Giuliani walks back promise of pardons after Russia probe -- but claims Trump still has 'the power to do it'

Martin Cizmar MARTIN CIZMAR

15 JUN 2018 AT 16:48 ET

Rudy Giuliani has reportedly walked-back his claim that President Trump will clean up his former campaign manager's legal troubles with pardons, says CNN's Geoff Bennett.

Giuliani had told the New York Daily News that the Mueller probe "might get cleaned up" by presidential pardons.

According to Bennett, Giuiliani has now told NBC's Kristen Welker that Trump "is not going to pardon anyone as far as I know and it would be against everybody's advice, including my own."

Welker did not tweet the quote herself.

Link to tweet

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/giuliani-walks-back-promise-pardons-russia-probe-claims-trump-still-power/

[htuttle]

1. Isn't dangling the possiblity of a pardon in front of potential witnesses obstruction of justice?

[FakeNoose]

6. Yep!

[lagomorph777]

8. Well, it would be if Giuliani were Trump's lawyer....

oh, wait.

[quartz007]

11. What stupid lawyer Giuliani is!

He should know a pardon can not be issued until actual conviction. Manafort & Cohen & Flynn have not been convicted yet, as far as I know.

[pnwmom]

15. Nixon was pardoned in advance of a conviction. It can be done. n/t

[quartz007]

24. Pardoned for what crime?

If I recall correctly, Nixon was never impeached or indicted. Please correct my memory if wrong.

[pnwmom]

27. Ford gave Nixon a full pardon for ALL crimes he MAY have committed while in office.

http://watergate.info/1974/09/08/text-of-ford-pardon-proclamation.html

Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

[quartz007]

30. Haha OK...the key word was "may have"

So Rump can issue a blanket pardon to all who may have worked in the Trump campaign and may have colluded with Russia? That is BS if you ask me.

[pnwmom]

31. That "BS" has legal precedent, whether we like it or not.

I'm sure there would be a lawsuit, and it would go to the SC.

[csziggy]

21. Flynn plead guilty

Plea bargain and statement of offense

Flynn statement of offense

On December 1, 2017, special counsel Robert Mueller agreed to a plea bargain where Flynn pleaded guilty to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador. Specifically, Flynn is accused of falsely claiming that he had not asked Russia's ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak on December 29, 2016, "to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day."[122] Flynn pleaded guilty the same day and acknowledged that he was cooperating with the investigation by Mueller.[123] Flynn stated;[124]

It has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of "treason" and other outrageous acts....Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right.

As part of Flynn's plea negotiations, his son, Michael G. Flynn, is not expected to be charged.[125] As of January 31, 2018, Flynn had not been sentenced.[126]

Bloomberg reporter Eli Lake wrote in an opinion piece on December 1, 2017, that two former Trump transition team officials provided information indicating that Jared Kushner was the senior member of the team described in Flynn's plea documents as having directed Flynn to contact officials from foreign governments, including Russia, asking them to delay or vote against a United Nations resolution on the issue of Israeli settlements, contrary to the still-incumbent Obama administration's position of support for the resolution.[127][128] This was also confirmed by other news outlets, who cited multiple sources.[129][130]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn#Plea_bargain_and_statement_of_offense

[quartz007]

25. If Flynn has pleaded guilty, then he should be eligible

to receive a pardon by the president. I have not seen any news of Flynn being incarcerated. If he is not in prison, no need for a rush job to pardon?

[csziggy]

33. Flynn has not yet been sentenced

I'm not sure if that is because he is still a cooperating witness or if it is part of the plea deal.

You'd think if Dolt45 was going to pardon Flynn he would have by now so I doubt a pardon will be forthcoming.

[quartz007]

34. My guess is...and I have no evidence for it,

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that a blanket pardon will be issued for all affected by the Mueller investigation. The excuse will be the SC was improperly authorized by Rosenstein. My time line is after 2 more IG reports are published, and 2018 Nov election is out of the way.

[DownriverDem]

12. Exactly

That was my thoughts too.

[tblue37]

29. Nosferudi is himself engaging in witness tampering and obstruction, isn't he? nt

[SWBTATTReg]

2. Awful cocky, eh? Doesn't have an inkling of what's to come!

When Mueller finally lays out all of the cards and so forth, I think we're all going to be surprised by the magnitude and scope of what's was uncovered.

Rudi is full of it, and if he's isn't too careful, he's going to become a big ol' brown shapeless blob...

[lagomorph777]

9. Rudy's cruising for a nice indictment of his very own.

And I'm sure Mueller will be more than happy to oblige.

[DownriverDem]

13. I agree but

I've seen that no matter what comes out of the Mueller report, trump won't be indicted. How disgusting if true.

[C_U_L8R]

3. Giuliani is a troll

He's out there spewing any old bullshit, hoping to distract.
Set him to IGNORE

[HopeAgain]

4. Keep openly obstructing, Rudy...

[NoMoreRepugs]

5. In other news the Dipshit of the Year so far Award goes to......... Rudy.

[Freethinker65]

7. Cleaned up? Like with a cloth????

So there is a big old illegal mess that put Trump in office that he, and the GOP, would like to see get cleaned up. If threats do not stop the investigation he will simply pardon every illegal action and actor.

Got it. And he just might get away with it.

Amazing that of all of the Republicans running for the nomination, Trump, the most clueless of the bunch, is the one that gets to destroy the country any way he pleases.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. "Giuliani...claimed he had seen no evidence"

Ghouliani isn't Manafort's lawyer so why would he be allowed to "see evidence"?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

20. Giuliani: "I have seen no evidence..."

[BumRushDaShow]

22. If only he could learn how to do this

[Gore1FL]

16. Wouldn't a pardon eliminate taking the 5th but open them to perjury if they didn't cooperate? nt

[pecosbob]

17. We have a cell waiting for you, too Rudy.

[Initech]

18. Seriously, Rudy, stop talking.

Everything you say is dumber than the thing that came before it!

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

19. Rudy is just a media whore

in pursuit of all the attention there is to get.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. A non-denial denial. Ghouliani was hired to say things tRump can't, but now Giuliani may be obstruct

[Turbineguy]

26. Trump probably thinks

that Nixon's failure to pardon the Watergate plumbers is what got him tossed.

[DonCoquixote]

28. This Sob got famous

Because a bunch of Mafiosi decided to sell drugs. After this, I apologize to John Gotti, because he would not have obeyed Russians.

[nature-lover]

32. Giuliani is only there to keep spinning the news cycle. Unfortunately, it works.