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appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:41 PM Jun 2018

Farmers Are Killing Themselves In Staggering Numbers

Source: CBS News

"Think about trying to live today on the income you had 15 years ago." That's how agriculture expert Chris Hurt describes the plight facing U.S. farmers today.

The unequal economy that's emerged over the past decade, combined with patchy access to health care in rural areas, have had a severe impact on the people growing America's food. Recent data shows just how much. Farmers are dying by suicide at a higher rate than any other occupational group, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The suicide rate in the field of farming, fishing and forestry is 84.5 per 100,000 people—more than five times that of the population as a whole. That's even as the nation overall has seen an increase in suicide rates over the last 30 years.

The CDC study comes with a few caveats. It looked at workers over 17 different states, but it left out some major agricultural states, like Iowa. And the occupational category that includes these workers includes small numbers of workers from related occupational groups, like fishing and forestry. (However, agricultural workers make up the vast majority of the "farming, fishing and forestry" occupational group.) Continued...


Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/farmers-are-killing-themselves-in-staggering-numbers/ar-AAzbcCN



As America's trading partners slap tariffs on U.S. crops, those prices are set to be further undermined..Unreliable finances are a major reason why three-quarters of farmers must rely on non-farm income, often from a second job. Health insurance access is another. Health care and mental-health services can be critical, Knudson said, particularly in rural areas, where medical care may be scarce. The farm bill that passed the House last week threatens to undo that, she said, because it allows for health insurance to sell plans that exclude mental health coverage. The Senate version of the farm bill allocates $20 million to a program to connect farmers with behavioral health services.

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Farmers Are Killing Themselves In Staggering Numbers (Original Post) appalachiablue Jun 2018 OP
Farming used to be a very profitable (and physically taxing) way to make a living. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #1
Nope, and terribly sad for farmers, communities and America. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #7
most of US farming is owned by corporations onetexan Jun 2018 #22
Heartbreaking news. badhair77 Jun 2018 #2
Awful situation; US suicide is on the rise in general according to the CDC. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #6
Thanks for the link. badhair77 Jun 2018 #18
Not surprising. Things keep getting worse and people aren't seeing any hope. OliverQ Jun 2018 #36
I've heard of farmers in India doing this. Sad seeing US farmers are suffering this much, as well. Judi Lynn Jun 2018 #3
It's tragic, especially with the lack of medical and mental heath services. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #4
The Crash - "is coming" Civic Justice Jun 2018 #5
So it's been stated, several years now. And it will be major! appalachiablue Jun 2018 #8
republicans are making the crash far more likely Achilleaze Jun 2018 #37
We best start paying attention to this issue.... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #9
All true and it's likely coming to the ultimate point of giant consolidation appalachiablue Jun 2018 #10
I was just going to post the same thing. The last thing you want is to wipe out family farms. Frustratedlady Jun 2018 #11
Just like with family-owned stores, the huge difference is.... KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #13
Genetically engineered animals already exist. Genetically-altered PIGS appalachiablue Jun 2018 #14
Have you seen the chickens with huge breasts? So huge, they fall on them. Frustratedlady Jun 2018 #17
I've heard of it & how their legs break because of the weight. Just awful. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #35
I posted this in the other thread that think it's tougher because it's a change in lifestyle JI7 Jun 2018 #12
corporate consolidation and vertical integration have destroyed thousands of communities Achilleaze Jun 2018 #23
Many farmers are also exposed to harmful pesticides which cause chronic health problems womanofthehills Jun 2018 #15
That I can believe, heavy pesticide exposure for years. Neurological, appalachiablue Jun 2018 #16
Don't forget COPD. Frustratedlady Jun 2018 #19
I have no sympathy for these Trumpanzees RainCaster Jun 2018 #20
Many voted for tRump out of desperation. He's giving more despair: labor shortages & tariffs. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #21
They were conned. maxsolomon Jun 2018 #33
All the Farmers here in Capital of Dumbfuckistan [AL] ,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jun 2018 #24
I wonder how many of them voted for Trump. Anyone who pinned their hopes on Trump must be Nitram Jun 2018 #25
Could apply this plight to others besides farmers too, lots of others trying to live on same ... SWBTATTReg Jun 2018 #26
suicide rates very high for 'suffering' Americans. Farmers should sell DIRECTLY to Sunlei Jun 2018 #27
I like the idea.... Bayard Jun 2018 #28
don't know how farmers work inspections but we buy plenty of meats,produce & fruits Sunlei Jun 2018 #31
Lots of farmers aren't Trump types MountCleaners Jun 2018 #29
Here's the thing Bayard Jun 2018 #30
Really hate to see that... Maxheader Jun 2018 #32
The average age of US farmers is pushing 60 NickB79 Jun 2018 #34

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
6. Awful situation; US suicide is on the rise in general according to the CDC.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:58 PM
Jun 2018

CNN, June 7, 2018, "SUICIDE RATE: US Saw 25% Increase Since 1999, CDC Says"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016208114

Judi Lynn

(160,616 posts)
3. I've heard of farmers in India doing this. Sad seeing US farmers are suffering this much, as well.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:47 PM
Jun 2018

So much blood on the beast's tiny, bloody hands already.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
4. It's tragic, especially with the lack of medical and mental heath services.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jun 2018

The article mentions the Indian farmers as well, that climate change is a factor. I've also read that dependence on GMO seeds which are becoming more and more resistant, is harming agriculture there also. The piece states that in the US there were terrible conditions related to large agricultural consolidation in the 1980s that also led to distress and suicide in farmers.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
37. republicans are making the crash far more likely
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jun 2018

as they continue in so many ways to weaken America, piss on our friends and allies, and Brown Nose the nation actively engaging in ACTS OF WAR against the USA.

Disgusting republican betrayal of America.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
9. We best start paying attention to this issue....
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jun 2018

not just for the sake of the precious lives of our farmers, but also for the integrity of our food supply.

In my younger days, farming used to be a very honorable profession and was peaceful and psychologically rewarding. And, not withstanding some bad years of crop failures or animal disease, it was financially rewarding as well.

I fear the total takeover of industrial farming and mass-scale animal production because the multinationals do not care about the integrity of our food and could care less about effects on our water supplies, degradation of the land or pollution of our environment. And, they fight environmental and food quality regulations at every turn.

This is not much different from mom-and-pop hardware vs Walmart with respect to the effects on our culture. Not sure how we can fight this effectively but it's certainly worth a lot of thought.

.......... ............

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
10. All true and it's likely coming to the ultimate point of giant consolidation
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:14 PM
Jun 2018

that's financially dangerous and unhealthy for all!

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
11. I was just going to post the same thing. The last thing you want is to wipe out family farms.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:20 PM
Jun 2018

Corporate farmers will rape the land. They couldn't care less about the quality of the soil as long as it will hold seeds. Whereas, America's farmers know enough to cycle crops so they don't reduce the properties of the land. Return nutrients to rebuild the soil.

Once corporations get hold of all the land, you won't recognize the food, whether it is grain or livestock. Increase the yield and to hell with the land. Decrease the time from birth to market of all livestock. Fill them full of steroids or whatever they use today to put meat on their bones to make it quickly to slaughter.

Think back to the farm crisis we went through in the 1980s. I forget the suicide rate of that period, but it hit a lot of families around me. The government had the farmers on their knees and the banks turned their backs on old customers and family friends who desperately needed their help. I can't remember everything that went on at that time, but I remember the farmers unable to meet your gaze even though you wanted so badly to support them. They were so ashamed that they couldn't keep their heads above water when all the odds were against them.

I remember neighbors who came in and bought as much as they could afford and gave it back to the farmers so they would have something to take to their next homes. Many refused to bid much beyond the opening bid, so the banks didn't get much of a return on the dollar. It didn't prove anything beyond satisfaction that the farmer and his family felt their support without having to say a word. Farmers stick together.

"But for the grace of God go I."

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
13. Just like with family-owned stores, the huge difference is....
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:49 PM
Jun 2018

small farmers put their heart and souls into the land and everything growing on it. In addition, they have a vast store of knowledge that's past between generations that cares about the land and our overall environment.

Almost all of my ancestors in TN either were farmers or worked in timber. They instinctively taught me to love the land, air and waters, along with all living things on it or in it, and I'm eternally grateful for that ingrained nature they gave me.

Being mindful of profits only, large corporation have no heart or soul and I feel they're severely accelerating the demise of human existence.

The heartbreaker is that I have no clue as to how we could reverse that trend I've been seeing since the 60s.....

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
14. Genetically engineered animals already exist. Genetically-altered PIGS
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:50 PM
Jun 2018

are now in place in China. Many of the livestock modifications claim to be for disease control and better health, but also involve less cost, more profit and easier, quicker yields for large producers.
*If animals weren't grown in such crowded, filthy conditions maybe they wouldn't get so many diseases! Like people..

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/24/genetically-engineered-animals-the-five-controversial-science



Michael Gove, the Environment Secretary, has already signalled that genetically modified animals could be sold after Britain leaves the European Union. And now scientists at the University of Edinburgh have succeeded in creating pigs which are completely resistant to Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, or PRRS, a lethal virus which costs farmers millions each year.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/06/20/genetically-edited-pigs-could-bred-brexit-help-stop-costly-disease/

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
17. Have you seen the chickens with huge breasts? So huge, they fall on them.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:46 PM
Jun 2018

They look ridiculous and the poor things fall forward so much, they rub the feathers off. Criminal, in my eyes.

JI7

(89,264 posts)
12. I posted this in the other thread that think it's tougher because it's a change in lifestyle
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:27 PM
Jun 2018

Farmers work and regular life is very connected . It's nota matter of just getting another job or even financial assistance.

They would have to adjust and change their everyday lives which for many is how they grew up.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
23. corporate consolidation and vertical integration have destroyed thousands of communities
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:13 AM
Jun 2018

across America's heartland. Life is very different from what it was 40 years ago. That corporate soul-sucking continues, and so the suicides mount.

The GMO-chemical combine is everywhere and, as I see it, it's anotherkilling factor. That shit is so freaking artificial and pervasive - when you walk through the fields you are in a hell realm.

womanofthehills

(8,761 posts)
15. Many farmers are also exposed to harmful pesticides which cause chronic health problems
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:15 PM
Jun 2018

Lots of farmers in the 365 lawsuits pending against Monsanto.

Pesticides cause many other health problems besides cancer. It would be hard to run a farm if your health is compromised.

appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
16. That I can believe, heavy pesticide exposure for years. Neurological,
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jun 2018

respiratory illnesses, allergies, auto immune disorders plus cancer. And those toxins have permeated the soil, water and air too. All very unhealthy and the serious impact on humans keeps increasing after decades of these practices. Young people with cancer and other chronic diseases, some rare, much earlier in life. Like colorectal cancer which the Amer. Cancer society just lowered the initial screening age to 45 from 50, because of the rising incidence in younger people. Madness..

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
19. Don't forget COPD.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:14 PM
Jun 2018

I've lost several friends from COPD. They thought a good part of it was from having their noses at the level of the hoppers on the seeders. Who knows what all is in the dust of soybean and corn kernels? Just the massive dust from harvesting would be bad enough.

It is a crap shoot which disease they'll come down with. My parents farmed for nearly 50 years and the cancers they died from were similar to those from DDT. Dad always spent the evenings cutting/spraying weeds around the fields because he was so proud of his straight rows. We always teased him about that, but he was proud of his work.

RainCaster

(10,914 posts)
20. I have no sympathy for these Trumpanzees
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:26 AM
Jun 2018

Really, Trumplandia had this coming. The fly over parts of this country are raping what they have sown for decades.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
24. All the Farmers here in Capital of Dumbfuckistan [AL] ,,,,,,,
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:31 AM
Jun 2018

are multi-millionaires Trumpsters. Hard for me to shed any tears

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
25. I wonder how many of them voted for Trump. Anyone who pinned their hopes on Trump must be
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:04 AM
Jun 2018

very disappointed at best, suicidal at worst.

SWBTATTReg

(22,166 posts)
26. Could apply this plight to others besides farmers too, lots of others trying to live on same ...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:25 AM
Jun 2018

income as 15 years ago. Suicide rates are up too.

This caught me off guard. I didn't realize how serious (knew was bad, but not this bad) this plight was for farmers and how bad it was. It is a terrible tragedy and shame that this is occurring, for I respect the farmer and their work ethic as one of the highest around, day in, day out, for months and months, w/ little pay (parents, grandparents).

You could blame corporate farms too, but they will have the same problems as family farms in that getting help / labor will still persist, perhaps may save a little on supplies etc. (but farmers have coops too, to counter this), and this will continue to be an issue as young ones leave the nest (from farms), don't return, kids don't pick farming as a profession, etc.

Medical care is scarce, as in my situation, my parents had to drive (in one of two directions) 40-50 miles either way, to just get to a doctor or dentist (and this isn't as far as some of their friends had to go). Perhaps a bus or the like offering medical help/aid on a periodic basis would help, that is, have an unit travel regularly via a set route, and farms etc. along the route(s) can plan for.

Bless wishes go out to all.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
27. suicide rates very high for 'suffering' Americans. Farmers should sell DIRECTLY to
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jun 2018

American consumers. Those Direct to consumers Farmers are making a very good living, foods can be shipped very easy and fast these days. Even at the local level people LOVE farmers markets-do both Farmers.


selling crops to the middlemen/wholesalers/corporations isn't worth a Farm owners time/investment anymore.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. don't know how farmers work inspections but we buy plenty of meats,produce & fruits
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jun 2018

directly from the growers. seafood too. It's all regulated. over-regulated for some like dairy products but dairy is fairly easy to find organic in most grocery stores.

These modern days-Farmers don't have to 'work' for ONLY the wholesaler-corporation middleman.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
29. Lots of farmers aren't Trump types
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jun 2018

I think people confuse "farmer" with general small-town, flyover, and rural dwellers. There aren't a lot of family farmers these days. When I lived in Nebraska, I took an agricultural and environmental ethics class, and there were several students in the class who came from family farm families. They'd been through enough crap already (this was the 1990s) that they were skeptical of politicians. They were very bright and interested in issues like topsoil depletion. What's sad is that even in Nebraska, there were stereotypes of farmers as dumb and backward. They're interesting people, and states like Iowa and Nebraska have elected Democrats who respond to them, but their numbers are not some huge influential voting bloc. It used to be populist messages included farmers, but Trump certainly hasn't done that.

A lot of Trumpers, as trashy and uncouth as their behavior is, are actually quite snobbish and think the dirty, manual work of farming, and the knowledge of the earth and plants and weather is something beneath them. They wouldn't be caught dead doing that job.

I live on the Illinois-Indiana border, and what's funny is that the Illinois Trumpers talk a lot about leaving Illinois because of taxes, but the minute they visit Indiana (which they rarely do), they want to leave. They think the Indiana culture is too "hick" and rural. Some of the worst Trumpers I know are white-flight type suburbanites who live NEAR farms but who are really living in the exurbs, close to the cities for jobs, but far enough away from minorities and immigrants.

Another thing people do is conflate "farmer" with "evangelical" or right-wing Christian. Many instead belong to mainstream denominations, and some aren't even religious.

I liked the farm kids I took my classes with. They were very bright and open-minded. They even tolerated and respected a vegetarian like me. Of course those growing grains or soybeans wouldn't stand to lose if fewer people ate meat.

Bayard

(22,149 posts)
30. Here's the thing
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jun 2018

I'd like to hear what family farmers and the big ag's have to say about the current immigration crisis on the border. That's a major portion of their labor supply. I would also assume that if those folks go back home for a visit, they won't be allowed back in now.

I lived in the Central Valley of Calif. for 12 years. Big Rethuglican area (home of Devin Nunez). Huge wealthy corporate farming. Always said the economy there would shut down if they didn't have the migrant workers. I know a lot of them were here legally, but just as many were not.

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