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Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:13 AM Jan 2012

Brazilian loggers 'tied eight-year-old Amazonian tribe girl to a tree and burned her alive'

Brazilian loggers 'tied eight-year-old Amazonian tribe girl to a tree and burned her alive'
By Matt Roper
Last updated at 5:13 PM on 8th January 2012

Loggers in Brazil who had illegally entered an Amazon Indian reserve captured an eight-year-old indigenous girl and burned her alive, it was claimed today.

The child, who belonged to the isolated Gwaja-Awa tribe, is believed to have wandered away from her village to play and got lost in the forest.

The group of illegal loggers who were trespassing in the 1000-acre reserve in Maranhao state, northern Brazil, came across the young girl, tied her to a tree and set fire to her, it is claimed.

~snip~
He said the white loggers had been illegally paying Indians from his tribe, the Guajajara, to let them pull down trees using heavy machinery and chains when the lost child appeared.

More:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-2083884/Brazilian-loggers-tied-year-old-Amazonian-tribe-girl-tree-burned-alive.html

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Brazilian loggers 'tied eight-year-old Amazonian tribe girl to a tree and burned her alive' (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2012 OP
Good effing grief malaise Jan 2012 #1
it gets worse, the indigenous Brasilian tribes bury their unwanted children alive stockholmer Jan 2012 #64
Broad-brush much? Hugabear Jan 2012 #74
... ocpagu Mar 2012 #76
OMG ! That's unfathomable. To a child?!! Ecumenist Jan 2012 #2
normally I am not for the death penalty. I believe it is Nothing more than legalize killing and Justice wanted Jan 2012 #3
I think a better sentence would be Plucketeer Jan 2012 #13
How abut a "fry for a fry"... cascadiance Jan 2012 #62
News like this is always hard to digest. You just want the world... BlueJazz Jan 2012 #4
+1 Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #15
Historically, the world has never been "decent", but it is arguably far better now than ever before. PavePusher Jan 2012 #66
no words... secondwind Jan 2012 #5
I'd love to say I'm surprised and shocked... a la izquierda Jan 2012 #6
Thanks. Used copies are 0.01 at Amazon. Just bought one. mojowork_n Jan 2012 #27
My thoughts and prayers are with the poor girl and her family. I can only hope Vidar Jan 2012 #7
I don't understand mactime Jan 2012 #8
Both, chervilant Jan 2012 #23
where was the outrage when we were killing children at check points in Iraq..... Evasporque Jan 2012 #9
+1 Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #18
My son is 8 years old. This makes me sick to my stomach. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2012 #10
there are no words. that poor baby. roguevalley Jan 2012 #11
The same state of consciousness that kills nature kills a child this way. n/t freshwest Jan 2012 #12
I can never understand how these people can sleep at night Marrah_G Jan 2012 #14
It will haunt them to the end of their days. closeupready Jan 2012 #38
I think I would be very afraid to go into those forest areas again if I were a logger. They will not jwirr Jan 2012 #16
... Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #17
That's is a heinous as it can get if true.... Hulk Jan 2012 #19
Why, dear Lord, why???????? Beacool Jan 2012 #20
Monsters....They're monsters. whathehell Jan 2012 #25
Why? To get rid of the evidence. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #58
I actually thought of that too, but I'm hoping that at least she was spared that particular pain. Beacool Jan 2012 #61
I wouldn't count on it. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #71
How terrible!!! Beacool Jan 2012 #73
This is beyond heartbreaking! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #21
Too bad some Christian missionaries don't see fit to go down there & tie themselves patrice Jan 2012 #22
Oh please...Not everything is appropriate fodder for the Christian-bashing agenda, whathehell Jan 2012 #24
50% "bashing" + 50% creative suggestion for appropriate response to this horror. patrice Jan 2012 #29
Um, no, I think not. whathehell Jan 2012 #32
Why should anyone back up what they believe with action, especially when that action patrice Jan 2012 #34
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #35
Ah . . . the inevitable tactic of the resourceless, insult. patrice Jan 2012 #37
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #49
Nothing? So I guess you won't answer why you NEED to insult me? Do you own THE Truth? patrice Jan 2012 #54
why don't you? Why is it always somone else? roguevalley Jan 2012 #43
You mean like this member of ChurchCo Charlemagne Jan 2012 #39
Perhaps more massive actions of young, blonde, white, middle-class Christians would fare better? patrice Jan 2012 #40
Point taken Charlemagne Jan 2012 #41
Thanks for the info! I hope I remember if I ever go through there. patrice Jan 2012 #55
Once she was there she saw conditions she couldn't leave behind her, sought Brazilian citizenship. Judi Lynn Jan 2012 #56
Some among the missionaries in Latin America have been there to help everyone BUT indigenous people. Judi Lynn Jan 2012 #47
When there is something to be gained, especially the ascendency of one's idea or beliefs, that's not patrice Jan 2012 #51
We just don't see that happening, do we? Anyone in the road of the greedy seems on his/her own. Judi Lynn Jan 2012 #57
and for more sickening incidents of human cruelty, "Man kidnaps woman, forces her to watch torture whathehell Jan 2012 #26
Speaking of cheapening, a horror fest is more appropriate than a suggestion for action??? patrice Jan 2012 #30
Oh my...It seems you're really "reaching" now...This is a NEWS item, not a "horror fest" whathehell Jan 2012 #33
So the girl's story isn't enough? Her horror isn't enough horror for us to do something about it? patrice Jan 2012 #36
get a ticket and go. why does it have to be someone else? What's keeping you in your roguevalley Jan 2012 #45
Good question.Answer: I'm not a saint though I am keeping up my own active part in the concrete i.e. patrice Jan 2012 #52
this religious tit for tat shit is for another thread. This thread is about a little roguevalley Jan 2012 #44
Got news for ya, Roque...It's not "tit for tat"...I gave him your message the first time. whathehell Jan 2012 #48
given that they were taking trees where they shouldn't it would appear greed roguevalley Jan 2012 #50
This is NOT random violence. This just one episode in a genocidal war. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #28
+1 Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #31
They need to be turned over to the little girl's tribe for trial lunatica Jan 2012 #42
I have come back to this thread over and over because I can't roguevalley Jan 2012 #46
Did she lie about her name? jberryhill Jan 2012 #53
This....is.....UNSPEAKABLE....... AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #59
"it was claimed" tabasco Jan 2012 #60
so typical of the brutish Brasilian zeitgeist, just sickening stockholmer Jan 2012 #63
Tarring all Brasil with the brush these men wielded? Yeah, that's fair..... n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #68
it's society wide, not just 'these men' see my post above for further examples stockholmer Jan 2012 #69
Boner is down there. Maybe he will Hotler Jan 2012 #65
I have no words! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #67
destruction of Brazil and Brazillians for exported wood humus Jan 2012 #70
That is like something out of a horror movie. n/t RebelOne Jan 2012 #72
Brazil says this story is not true naaman fletcher Jan 2012 #75
 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
64. it gets worse, the indigenous Brasilian tribes bury their unwanted children alive
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 02:10 AM
Jan 2012


Also, the non-indigenous Brasilian's pour petrol on indios as murderous pranks and burn them alive.



Galdino Jesus Dos Santos was the indigenous Pataxo man in Brasil who was set on fire as a ” joke ” by the sons of prominent judges and lawyers in Brasilia

Brasil is fucked up.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
74. Broad-brush much?
Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jan 2012

There are certainly some disturbing things in Brasil - just as you might find disturbing practices in any country. I don't see that as justification to label the entire country as "fucked up"

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
76. ...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 03:07 PM
Mar 2012

"the indigenous Brasilian tribes bury their unwanted children alive"

No, they don't. The video you posted is false. It has been produced by a fundamentalist organisation of missionaries trying to gain public support to take away Indian babies from their parents and saving their lives presenting them to Christianism.

And "the non-indigenous Brasilian's" don't "pour petrol on indios as murderous pranks and burn them alive". Believe me or not, that's not exactly a routine activiy here. I also suppose that Swedens don't engage in rightwing terrorist attacks on a daily basis. That's I avoid calling it a "fucked up" country.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
3. normally I am not for the death penalty. I believe it is Nothing more than legalize killing and
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 07:54 AM
Jan 2012

does not deter crime. THAT being said: THESE SICK SOBS NEED TO BE TIED TO TREES AND BURNED ALIVE!

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. I think a better sentence would be
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:38 AM
Jan 2012

to have the perps fashion their own coffins using wood from trees they felled.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
62. How abut a "fry for a fry"...
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jan 2012

I'm not pro-death penalty either, it wouldn't hurt me to see these guys literally fry for what they did to her!

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
4. News like this is always hard to digest. You just want the world...
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jan 2012

...to be a decent place and some humans are determined to make it otherwise.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
66. Historically, the world has never been "decent", but it is arguably far better now than ever before.
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jan 2012

""Solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short" is the apt phrase.

The goal is to keep making progress. Some people actively try to scuttle that idea.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
6. I'd love to say I'm surprised and shocked...
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 08:56 AM
Jan 2012

but I'm not. There was a book written in the 1970s called Victims of the Miracle and it chronicles the absolute horrors that have happened to Brazilian native peoples as a result of mining, etc.

mojowork_n

(2,354 posts)
27. Thanks. Used copies are 0.01 at Amazon. Just bought one.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jan 2012

There was also a movie in the mid-80's.

The Emerald Forest, from director John Boorman. With Powers Booth as an engineer
working on a construction project, whose very young son is kidnapped by indigenous
folks.

Great, great film, but it never plays on TV because there are (shock!) bare female breasts
in many scenes.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089087/

But on the subject of the OP -- maybe the national media could be tricked in to
paying attention if it's announced (it could be corrected, later) that the girl
was blond, white, and from the suburbs.

Vidar

(18,335 posts)
7. My thoughts and prayers are with the poor girl and her family. I can only hope
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jan 2012

for the most hideous chainsaw accidents for the perpetrators.

 

mactime

(202 posts)
8. I don't understand
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:07 AM
Jan 2012

the world sometimes. I was previously reading that the Mexican cartels use 'child burning' as an intimidation method. I don't know if we (humans) are getting worse or if we are just more connected and hear about this more.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
23. Both,
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 01:09 PM
Jan 2012

I would wager.

If you look at Calhoun's research on overpopulation, you will see similarities in contemporary human interactions.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
9. where was the outrage when we were killing children at check points in Iraq.....
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jan 2012

DU was outraged but the media....not so much.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
16. I think I would be very afraid to go into those forest areas again if I were a logger. They will not
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jan 2012

forget it.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
19. That's is a heinous as it can get if true....
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jan 2012

This is unbelievable. Nobody can be that cruel....nobody.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
20. Why, dear Lord, why????????
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jan 2012

Why burn alive a little girl? What was the purpose? Such level of sadism and cruelty is stomach turning. The poor little angel, how she must have suffered!!!

Sometimes I think that the Mayan prophecy should become reality. It would serve us right. We humans destroy everything we touch.

MedicalAdmin

(4,143 posts)
58. Why? To get rid of the evidence.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 09:39 PM
Jan 2012

These men are animals. And they are working in an isolated location. What do you think they did with that poor girl before burning the body to hide the evidence of what they had done.

Or that is my guess but I am unfortunately too experienced with the dark side of human nature.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
61. I actually thought of that too, but I'm hoping that at least she was spared that particular pain.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 11:16 PM
Jan 2012

Poor child!!! I hope that they find the bastards who did this and punish them accordingly.

MedicalAdmin

(4,143 posts)
71. I wouldn't count on it.
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jan 2012

I spent some time in the Amazon once and the loggers and miners you fun into in these backwoods are choosing to live outside of civilization for a reason.

I wouldn't even be sure that she wandered away. I wonder if she was taken.

...

I need a drink. Or 6.

Wind Dancer

(3,618 posts)
21. This is beyond heartbreaking!
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jan 2012

What the hell is wrong with people? I will never..never...never understand this type of brutality against anybody, much less a child. My heart hurts!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
22. Too bad some Christian missionaries don't see fit to go down there & tie themselves
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jan 2012

to trees, for the forest's sake, not for a holier-than-thou vacation.

Or would that be a little too much to expect of ChurchCo?

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
24. Oh please...Not everything is appropriate fodder for the Christian-bashing agenda,
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jan 2012

and it cheapens the sheer horror of this incident when you try and use it that way.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
29. 50% "bashing" + 50% creative suggestion for appropriate response to this horror.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jan 2012

Kind of authoritarian of you to completely trash a relatively useful idea, isn't it?

Since when is it bashing to call upon Christians to do something Christian about this situation?

...............................................................

Who made you gate-keeper here?

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
32. Um, no, I think not.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jan 2012

Why should a church, or anyone besides the filth

did this be held responsible?


Sorry, but, it's what's commonly called "a reach".

patrice

(47,992 posts)
34. Why should anyone back up what they believe with action, especially when that action
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:13 PM
Jan 2012

supports those who are most disempowered in the face of the Oppressor?

Is this not the story of my Lord Jesus?

Sacrifice.

Response to patrice (Reply #34)

Response to patrice (Reply #37)

patrice

(47,992 posts)
54. Nothing? So I guess you won't answer why you NEED to insult me? Do you own THE Truth?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:32 PM
Jan 2012

Is THE Truth served by insulting others?

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
43. why don't you? Why is it always somone else?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jan 2012

a child died heinously. bad people did this. end of story.

 

Charlemagne

(576 posts)
39. You mean like this member of ChurchCo
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jan 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Stang

Sister Dorothy Mae Stang, S.N.D., (July 7, 1931–February 12, 2005) was an American-born, Brazilian member of the Congregation of the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur. She was murdered in Anapu, a city in the state of Pará, in the Amazon Basin of Brazil. Stang had been outspoken in her efforts on behalf of the poor and the environment, and had previously received death threats from loggers and land owners.


Kinda exactly like that, right? Read the wiki page. I think it covers exactly what you are looking for.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
40. Perhaps more massive actions of young, blonde, white, middle-class Christians would fare better?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:43 PM
Jan 2012

Accompanied by their own media, of course.

 

Charlemagne

(576 posts)
41. Point taken
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jan 2012

If you are ever in Dayton, stop by the Peace Museum. They have a cool exhibit about Dorothy Stang. Actually, jsut stop by the Peace Museum regardless.

http://www.daytonpeacemuseum.org/

Cheers!

patrice

(47,992 posts)
55. Thanks for the info! I hope I remember if I ever go through there.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:38 PM
Jan 2012

Last edited Mon Jan 9, 2012, 06:44 PM - Edit history (1)

I know it's not much in comparison, but my concrete activism does extend back over almost 30 years now and I have actually financed a couple of buses to DC against the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq. I'm no Dorothy Stang, but I believe that all honest commitment adds up, eventually.

Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
56. Once she was there she saw conditions she couldn't leave behind her, sought Brazilian citizenship.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jan 2012

She was murdered at almost point blank range, and as one of the true, almost extinct group of real humanitarians, she did die trying to protect the helpless in their isolated environment against the will and the greed of powerful wealthy monsters who were prosperous enough to hire people to take the risks with the law by dropping this good woman where she stood, by herself, in the forest.











Regivaldo Pereira Galvão, one of the two ranchers who hired the hitmen





Vitalmiro de Moura (Bida), one of the two ranchers who commissioned the assassination.

Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
47. Some among the missionaries in Latin America have been there to help everyone BUT indigenous people.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:07 PM
Jan 2012

For God (And the CIA)

THY WILL BE DONE
The Conquest of the Amazon:
Nelson Rockefeller & Evangelism in the Age of Oil
by Gerard Colby with Charlotte Dennett

~snip~
The overlapping worlds of government, industry and religion follow each other across the globe as the needs of counterinsurgency, development and saving souls demand: Wycliffe entered the Philippines in the 1950s as the CIA combatted the peasant Huk rebellion, then moved to South Vietnam in the '60s, where the Rockefellers planned a massive development effort around a series of Mekong River hydrodams. But the greatest prize was the vast resources in the continental interior of the traditional US influence sphere, Latin America.

Cam Townsend began as a missionary among the Maya Indians of the Guatemalan highlands in the 1920s, while Rockefeller was directing private disease-eradication efforts in the region. In the 1930s, Townsend launched his own operation and won the heart of Mexican President Lazaro Cardenas, then seeking to break the grip of the Catholic Church over Mexico's Indians. SIL and Wycliffe gained a first Latin beachhead in the revolutionary nationalist Mexico of Cardenas, ironically. But the Mexico operations were only a training ground for Townsend's real destiny--to bring light to the "green hell" of the Amazon, where whole peoples had yet to be "contacted."

Nelson Rockefeller also charted his course to global power through Latin America. In World War II, President Roosevelt appointed him chief of his own office, the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs (CIAA). After a turf war with Bill Donovan's Office of Strategic Services, Nelson's CIAA won exclusive rights to anti-Axis propaganda and espionage--as well as mapping and securing of vital resources for the war effort--in Latin America. CIAA disease-eradication and education projects were directed to those regions where oil, minerals, rubber and other resources needed to be exploited. But a compliant labor source also needed to be secured. Perhaps underestimating the actual degree of Axis intrigue in Latin America, the authors portray a CIAA that merely used anti-fascism as a cover for suppression of indigenous and labor struggles. Clearly there were such instances--as when striking Indian miners in Bolivia were brutally put down in 1942, at a cost of hundreds of lives.

Nelson also saw his operations in these years as a mere prelude to post-war ambitions. Beyond the mines and oilfields of Mexico and the Andes lay the untapped riches of South America's remote interior--the Amazon.

From these beginnings emerged a web of powerful men moving back and forth from the worlds of Rockefeller foundations and the top levels of government power. Rockefeller companies and ranches penetrated the Amazon as Wycliffe began operations there. Through tortuous routes of universities and foundations, Rockefeller money found its way into Wycliffe operations. So did money from US aid and intelligence agencies.

More:
http://www.morc.info/MORC_ThyWill.html

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

(Missionary group known as "Summer Institute of Linguistics&quot

~snip~
John Perkins provides an example of criticism of SIL activity:

I had heard that (Jaime Roldos, President of Ecuador, 1979-81) accused The Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL), an evangelical missionary group from the United States, of sinister collusion with the oil companies. I was familiar with SIL missionaries from my Peace Corps days. The organization had entered Ecuador, as it had in so many other countries, with the professed goal of studying, recording, and translating indigenous languages.

SIL had been working extensively with the Huaorani and Matsés tribes in the Amazon basin area, during the early years of oil exploration, when a disturbing pattern appeared to emerge. While it might have been a coincidence (and no link was ever proved), stories were told in many Amazonian communities that when seismologists reported to corporate headquarters that a certain region had characteristics indicating a high probability of oil beneath the surface, SIL went in and encouraged the indigenous people to move from that land, onto missionary reservations; there they would receive free food, shelter, clothes, medical treatment, and missionary-style education. The condition was that they had to deed their lands to the oil companies.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

~snip~
"The missionaries came in on the cultural, social, and political side of the conquest, their leader influenced by Rockefeller philanthropies and a counterinsurgency network shaped by Nelson Rockefeller's development goals. Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) was hired by military dictatorships and civilian governments, often headed by Nelson's allies, to pacify the tribes and integrate them into national economics increasingly being brought into the North American market. SIL used the Bible to teach indigenous people to "obey the government, for all authority comes from God.""


The massacre and genocide of, for example, the Indians of Cintas Largas, Brazil for the land, minerals and wealth of the land was for the most part officially ignored until 1968, although well documented today. According to Colby and Dennett, "the disastrous impact of missionary activity" remained officially ignored. 'in reality those in command of these Indian Protections posts are North American missionaries--they are in all the posts--and they disfigure the original Indian culture and enforce acceptance of Protestantism.' But officials of the American Fundamentalist missionary organization that worked with SPI [Service for the Protection of the Indian] among the tribes---the Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL), known in the United States by its less scientific alias, the Wycliffe Bible Translators--denied that any genocide took place. The head of SIL's branch in Brazil disclaimed all reports of genocide, and the founder of SIL, William Cameron Townsend, denied any knowledge of the massacres at all." [Colby, p.3-4]

http://www.akha.org/content/missiondocuments/sil.html

patrice

(47,992 posts)
51. When there is something to be gained, especially the ascendency of one's idea or beliefs, that's not
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

service to others. It's a quid pro quo, not faith in what is not seen, and, btw, it's the opposite of what we see in the life of Lord Jesus, so you're quite right in observing that there are missionaries and then there are "missionaries", which is why I posted as I did in this thread.

What these people and their forest need is someone(s) to stand up for them for their OWN sake and for no other.

Judi Lynn

(160,588 posts)
57. We just don't see that happening, do we? Anyone in the road of the greedy seems on his/her own.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jan 2012

With the appearance of faster communication maybe we can hope the TRUTH will eventually be able to get around as quickly as well-planned propaganda.

As Mark Twain has been claimed to have said (along with Charles Haddon Spurgeon, an English preacher), "A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on."

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
26. and for more sickening incidents of human cruelty, "Man kidnaps woman, forces her to watch torture
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:43 PM
Jan 2012

and dismemberment of a 19-year old girl"

Woman forced to watch teen's torture slay

OKLAHOMA CITY — An Oklahoma City man kidnapped a 20-year-old woman and forced her to watch others torture and kill another woman so that she would cooperate with a human trafficking ring, police said Tuesday.

Jimmy Lee Massey, 33, was arrested on a warrant for first-degree murder in the death of 19-year-old Carina Saunders, whose dismembered body was found stuffed in a duffel bag in the Oklahoma City suburb of Bethany, Police Chief Phil Cole said. Formal charges are pending.

<...>

An affidavit filed in the case said Massey told investigators he kidnapped the 20-year-old woman and forced her to watch others kill Saunders. He also provided details of Saunders' torture, killing and dismemberment and disposal of the body.

Cole said there was no evidence the 20-year-old knew Saunders, but she and Saunders both knew Massey. He said the kidnapping and killing were meant to send a message that the 20-year-old and her friends faced the same fate unless they cooperated with a human trafficking ring focused on prostitution and a related drug ring.

Read more: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-12-21/news/30544441_1_human-trafficking-ring-torture-slay-drug-charges

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
33. Oh my...It seems you're really "reaching" now...This is a NEWS item, not a "horror fest"
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jan 2012

and it happens to conform to the subject matter of the thread, that being sadistic human evil.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
36. So the girl's story isn't enough? Her horror isn't enough horror for us to do something about it?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jan 2012

If ONE isn't enough, none will ever be enough. Once we head down that road, it will *A*L*W*A*Y*S* require more and more and more . . . . This why Jesus did what he did.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
52. Good question.Answer: I'm not a saint though I am keeping up my own active part in the concrete i.e.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:28 PM
Jan 2012

not virtual/digital, struggle here, directly for those who ARE most disempowered by what is happening around them.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
44. this religious tit for tat shit is for another thread. This thread is about a little
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jan 2012

child who was killed for greed. Get over yourselves, all of you.

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
48. Got news for ya, Roque...It's not "tit for tat"...I gave him your message the first time.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jan 2012

BTW, there's nothing to indicate the child was "killed for greed"....If you read the article

you'll find a quote which says "They just did it because they wanted to...Just to be evil".

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
50. given that they were taking trees where they shouldn't it would appear greed
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jan 2012

was a factor. They didn't see her as human. Religion doesn't fit this. The child is dead and the fuckers who did it are evil and self aware. That is the point. I don't see the other point, IMO. I really wish the earth would get slammed by an asteroid sometimes.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
28. This is NOT random violence. This just one episode in a genocidal war.
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 03:19 PM
Jan 2012

The UN should send in investigators to see what else has been done to the Gwaja tribe. I have a suspicion that they will find that there has been systematic violence against these people in an effort to (illegally) obtain the wood from their jungles.

Also sounds like it is time for an international boycott of Brazilian lumber until their government does something.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
46. I have come back to this thread over and over because I can't
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jan 2012

imagine how you can take a tiny girl, tie her to a tree and find gas to splash her with all the time she is crying. Then to do this?!?!?! I can't think here.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
53. Did she lie about her name?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jan 2012

I've read elsewhere on DU that if a girl lies about her name, then she pretty much deserves anything one can imagine.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
59. This....is.....UNSPEAKABLE.......
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:34 PM
Jan 2012

It reminds me of innocent blacks who were lynched in the South..........simply horrible.

 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
69. it's society wide, not just 'these men' see my post above for further examples
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jan 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=21833


Also look into "balas perdidas" aka 'lost bullets'. Brasil is brutal, sexist, rigid-classed, ultra-violent culture overall. I have been there several times, and have 2 extremely close friends there. It is heartbreaking that a country with so much going for it is a living hell for so many.

Hotler

(11,433 posts)
65. Boner is down there. Maybe he will
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jan 2012

speak up and show outrage. Oh never mind. What was I thinking????

humus

(135 posts)
70. destruction of Brazil and Brazillians for exported wood
Tue Jan 10, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jan 2012

Until we end our violence against the earth- a matter ignored by most pacifists, as the issue of military violence is ignored by most conservationists-how can we hope to end our violence against each other? The earth, which we all have in common, is our deepest bond, and our behavior toward it cannot help but be an earnest of our consideration for each other and for our descendants.
-Wendell Berry

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