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[leftofcool]

1. Gretchen not pure enough?

[George II]

7. Apparently El-Sayed and Duggan aren't very good friends:

http://www.dptv.org/blogs/one-detroit/mike-duggan-blasts-abdul-el-sayed-for-accusing-him-of-poisoning-kids/

[comradebillyboy]

2. Some people think electability is an over-rated virtue.

[comradebillyboy]

10. I don't care to be more specific right now.

[lapucelle]

27. ,,,

[Kahuna7]

60. +1

[Amimnoch]

73. Sounds to me like "some people" are pretty damn stupid then.

If the every day occurrences in this country since the 2016 election isn't enough to convince "some people" that electability isn't important, then yes, they are pretty damn stupid.

[George II]

5. Doesn't that place seat about 15,000+ ?

[RandySF]

33. .

Link to tweet

?s=21

[k8conant]

6. Letter to the editor: El-Sayed is absolutely credentialed to use term 'physician'

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180619/news/664026/letter-to-the-editor-el-sayed-is-absolutely-credentialed-to-use-term

[George II]

8. Can't access it, it's a pay site.

[lapucelle]

47. "El-Sayed touts his doctor credentials -- but he never practiced medicine"

... El-Sayed is not licensed to practice medicine in Michigan, according to state records, a fact he tends to omit from his resume in campaign literature, in which he uses the professional title of "physician."

snip===================================

[Mohammed] Arsiwala, [M.D., a Livonia internist and president-elect of the Michigan State Medical Society], a member of the Michigan Board of Medicine, the state's physician-licensing body, thinks El-Sayed is walking a fine line in publicly presenting his medical credentials as a candidate for governor.

snip===================================

Whether it matters that the doctor never practiced medicine clinically is up for Democratic voters to decide in the Aug. 7 primary.

But one could argue El-Sayed's campaign literature showing him wearing a doctor's white lab coat is akin to graduating from law school and presenting yourself as an attorney — even though you never took or passed the bar exam.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180610/blog026/663241/el-sayed-touts-his-doctor-credentials-but-he-never-practiced?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A400626%3A1040%3A24%3Asuccess%3AE1C43B047DBCAE481EBD3E7AD2B39BC8

[George II]

54. Yankees outfielder Aaron Judge wears black robes in the locker room........

..........

[lapucelle]

61. I'm not a jurist, but I play one at the game...

(except the one time Bronx native Sonia Sotomayor was at Yankee Stadium in the Judge's Chambers...)

[KPN]

76. Huh. I had no problem.

Here's a couple of snips and who submitted the editorial:

The article in Crain's focuses on the fact that Dr. El-Sayed chose to forego a residency in order to take a faculty position at Columbia, a choice that he has been completely honest and transparent about. To claim that his decision to accept an assistant professorship in epidemiology after medical school makes him any less of a doctor or physician is a misguided interpretation that overlooks the realities of health care and medicine in America. Health care is a tremendously complex endeavor. Clinical training is one important field, but no less or more important than training in public health. If either one is done poorly, then our communities suffer.

The article in Crain's focuses on the fact that Dr. El-Sayed chose to forego a residency in order to take a faculty position at Columbia, a choice that he has been completely honest and transparent about. To claim that his decision to accept an assistant professorship in epidemiology after medical school makes him any less of a doctor or physician is a misguided interpretation that overlooks the realities of health care and medicine in America. Health care is a tremendously complex endeavor. Clinical training is one important field, but no less or more important than training in public health. If either one is done poorly, then our communities suffer.
In summary, Dr. El-Sayed is by all definitions credentialed to use the term physician. He has the experience to speak about the patient experiences he saw in medical school. His public health training also gives him unique insight into our public health system. This insight could potentially improve the lives of millions of Michiganders.

We believe that calling his undeniable credentials into question takes away from the debate our state needs to have on its future. As a result, we disagree with the tone and sentiment of last week's piece. As physicians who have taught students and residents, offered insights into public policy, performed research, and cared for thousands of patients, we feel compelled to set the record straight.

Steven Gay, M.D., dean of admissions, University of Michigan Medical School, and associate professor of medicine

Muzammil Ahmed, M.D., chief of medical staff, Beaumont Wayne Hospital; partner, Comprehensive Urology; and clinical assistant professor, Wayne State University

Iltefat Hamzavi, M.D., Department of Dermatology, Henry Ford Hospital

[woundedkarma]

24. The attached names certainly lend quite a lot of weight

Dean of admin for UMich med school and chief of med staff for Beaumont which is a very big hospital here.

[lapucelle]

55. Mohammed Arsiwala, M.D., member of the Michigan Board of Medicine

(the state's physician-licensing board) and president-elect of the Michigan State Medical Society doesn't quite agree with some of El-Sayed's claims:

"I'm the only person running for governor who has had to look somebody in the eye, deliver a diagnosis, and then realize that their worst day that week wasn't the day they got their diagnosis," El-Sayed told supporters. "It was the day they realized they didn't have the means for payment for their care."

snip==============================

As part of their education, fourth-year medical school students go on rounds with attendant doctors in hospitals. "But you don't do diagnosis — you're still a student," said Mohammed Arsiwala, M.D., a Livonia internist and president-elect of the Michigan State Medical Society. "You're under supervision. You can't do patient management."

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180610/blog026/663241/el-sayed-touts-his-doctor-credentials-but-he-never-practiced?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A400626%3A1040%3A24%3Asuccess%3AE1C43B047DBCAE481EBD3E7AD2B39BC8

[SkyDancer]

9. Does Whitmer support same issues?

Why shame on Bernie? Does Whitmer support the same issues Bernie does like single payer health care and tuition free college?

Calling a Democrat a lying prick? Al-Sayed is a physician.

Last week, an article in Crain's Detroit Business called Dr. Abdul El-Sayed's credentials as a doctor into question. As members of Michigan's medical community, we would like to respond by disagreeing with the assessment provided in that article. Dr. El-Sayed can rightly claim to be both a physician and an expert in public health and medicine.

Dr. El-Sayed completed years of post-secondary training on his way to becoming an expert in public health and epidemiology. He completed two doctorates: one, a medical doctorate from the Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University, one of the top medical schools in the country, and a second doctorate in Public Health from the University of Oxford, where he was a Rhodes Scholar.

His degree in medicine gave him the training in science and empathy to care for patients. During that time, he made clinical decisions and interacted with patients under the direct supervision of licensed physicians, providing insight into the day-to-day life of a physician.

After this training, Dr. El-Sayed decided to pursue training in Public Health. This is distinct from the clinical training most patients experience when they are working with their physicians. Public health looks at the broader causes of disease and tries to prevent and manage them at the level of the community, city, state, or country. A possible analogy is that medical school and residency allow you to become an expert driver, but you do not learn how to build the car. Dr. El-Sayed's training gives him the unique experience of doing both.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180619/news/664026/letter-to-the-editor-el-sayed-is-absolutely-credentialed-to-use-term

[George II]

12. https://www.michigan.gov/statelicensesearch/0,4671,7-180-24786-81055--,00.html

All Medical Doctor or Osteopathic Physician Interns and Residents earning the required post graduate experience must also be licensed with the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Professional Licensing, Board of Medicine or Board of Osteopathic Medicine and Surgery

[SkyDancer]

13. And

Dr. El-Sayed's contributions to medicine and public health in the years after earning his medical degree are impressive. He has published over 100 academic articles, papers, abstracts, and book chapters, including a textbook titled Systems Science and Population Health he was the lead editor on. His decision to devote himself to public service instead of pursuing a residency speaks to his unique skill set and to his determination to solve the complex problems of inequity in health.

In summary, Dr. El-Sayed is by all definitions credentialed to use the term physician. He has the experience to speak about the patient experiences he saw in medical school. His public health training also gives him unique insight into our public health system. This insight could potentially improve the lives of millions of Michiganders.

We believe that calling his undeniable credentials into question takes away from the debate our state needs to have on its future. As a result, we disagree with the tone and sentiment of last week's piece. As physicians who have taught students and residents, offered insights into public policy, performed research, and cared for thousands of patients, we feel compelled to set the record straight.

Steven Gay, M.D., dean of admissions, University of Michigan Medical School, and associate professor of medicine

Muzammil Ahmed, M.D., chief of medical staff, Beaumont Wayne Hospital; partner, Comprehensive Urology; and clinical assistant professor, Wayne State University

Iltefat Hamzavi, M.D., Department of Dermatology, Henry Ford Hospital

[Julian Englis]

43. He's a M.D & Ph.D. He has no medical license because never did a medical residency

You need to complete an accredited residency to have a permanent (or temporary) medical license. You need to be enrolled in a training program (internship, residency, or fellowship) to have a training license. Dr. El-Sayed went from medical school to teaching and researching public health, so he did neither.

His accomplishments are amazing but he the press reports make him sound like a jerk.

[demmiblue]

16. Having a doctorate degree (two in this case) means that one earned the Dr. designation. n/t

[lapucelle]

63. Yes, he is a doctor who is not a physician licensed to practice medicine.

On the campaign trail, in published commentaries and at debates with other candidates vying to be Michigan's next chief executive, El-Sayed, a progressive Democratic firebrand, routinely talks about being a doctor and has made strong suggestions that he has practiced medicine.

"I'm a doctor," El-Sayed said during the May 31 bipartisan gubernatorial debate at the Mackinac Policy Conference. "I'm the only person up on this stage who has had to deliver a diagnosis — and then watch as somebody had to worry about how they were going to pay for it, let alone what the treatment was for that ailment. That should never happen in Michigan."

El-Sayed made similar comments about diagnosing ailments in a June 6 speech.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180610/blog026/663241/el-sayed-touts-his-doctor-credentials-but-he-never-practiced?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A400626%3A1040%3A24%3Asuccess%3AE1C43B047DBCAE481EBD3E7AD2B39BC8

[SkyDancer]

25. You're calling a Democrat a fraud.

He isn't and your post here does nothing but emboldens Republicans. What is it you're trying to gain here with this? It's one thing to disagree on issue but it's a whole other to call someone a "fraud" who is running for governor in Michigan & is a DEMOCRAT.

[RandySF]

45. Welcome to DU. He is a fraud.

He smiles in front of the national press while running a scorched each campaign all over Michigan and social media.

[mahannah]

66. Source please.

[comradebillyboy]

53. Isn't that basically what Dinesh D'souza was convicted of?

[demmiblue]

15. I will be supporting Whitmer on Tuesday, but I would be happy to support...

Dr. El-Sayed if he were to somehow win the primary.

[heaven05]

18. there would be no choice

I would hold my nose and do it. But he's toast.

[heaven05]

17. Abdul Sayed is toast

is not going to win. Gretchen Wittmer is the only sane choice. Anyone Bernie and AOC back just says it all about the current divided party we have and why. Go Gretchen.

[George II]

21. She wasn't there, but she was in Kansas a day or two ago campaigning against Democrats.

Nina Turner was there, though.

[John Gruff]

22. Bernie drew tons in The Bronx. Hillary won there by a lot

Crowds don't win elections.

[heaven05]

23. and Wittmer

talked to many more than that by moving about the same area, Friday and Saturday. No biggie on bernie and sayed and their one rally....no biggie at all

[George II]

32. They started promoting this rally early in the week, even before they knew where it would be....

...I'm surprised that only 1,400 showed up (Cobo Hall holds a lot more than that)

There's another one in Ypsilanti tonight, about 30 miles west of Detroit. It's a college town, but students haven't arrived for classes yet. With a population of only 20,000 they may have a tough time getting even 1,400.

[RandySF]

34. You haven't seen anything

Link to tweet

?s=21

[George II]

36. Damn, that Don Farmer sounds intelligent, doesn't he?

[heaven05]

46. Just like a penis is not a primary

requirement for public office, neither is a vagina, correct. Competence, qualification, experience and truthfulness are primary requirements.

Dr. sayed has none of these qualifications. His mentor cannot bestow that upon him just by appearing. In fact, I think that is the kiss of death for Dr sayed.

Gretchen Wittmer has the experience of having been 8 years in Michigan politics, has worked across the aisle to get things done for all Michiganians. Dr sayed has not. end of the debate. Gretchen Wittmer is qualified and competent Dr. sayed is not. Sorry Bye

[comradebillyboy]

57. Who is Don Farmer?

[Cha]

71. Don Farmer sounds like a Gaslighting

Idiot.

[woundedkarma]

26. Seeing the vitriol here

Makes me feel like the Russians have won.

[recentevents]

67. disgusting isn't it

[RandySF]

28. .

Link to tweet

?s=21

[rpannier]

29. He has a PhD. That makes him Dr

My older brother has a PhD in Central Asian Studies and he is titled Dr
That is why we call professors at our universities Dr.
That you seemed to miss this tells me a lot about what I need to know about this thread

[lapucelle]

64. But that does not make him a physician licensed to practice medicine.

Abdul El-Sayed has made his doctor credentials the focal point of his campaign for governor, offering a "Medicare for all" state-run health insurance program last week as the prescription to fix what ails the state''s economy and people.

But El-Sayed is not licensed to practice medicine in Michigan, according to state records, a fact he tends to omit from his resume in campaign literature, in which he uses the professional title of "physician."

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20180610/blog026/663241/el-sayed-touts-his-doctor-credentials-but-he-never-practiced?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A400626%3A1040%3A24%3Asuccess%3AE1C43B047DBCAE481EBD3E7AD2B39BC8

[RandySF]

31. Abdul's field intern just endorsed Gretchen

Link to tweet

?s=21

[SunSeeker]

69. Wow.

[joshcryer]

70. What the ever living freak?

That's so damning it's not even funny. Did you make an OP about this?

[Autumn]

35. It looks like Michigan voters have good choices to chose from.

I'm a little shocked to see a Democrat called a lying prick in an OP at DU though.

[RandySF]

37. This primary is a cesspool

Abdul hired Bernie's national team and they set their social media attack dogs against Whitmer and anyone who supports her. They're call it the last race of the 2016 primary.

[paleotn]

42. Seems the 2016 crowd is back with a vengeance.

Dan Coats, Chris Wray and a whole lot of others have warned us. I don't want to seem paranoid, but such over the top divisiveness within our own party causes me to question the OP's sincerity.

[demmiblue]

44. Yep. n/t

[Snellius]

38. The point can be made without bashing from within. nt

[RandySF]

41. Comrade?

[paleotn]

48. Maybe, maybe not,

but the OP's comments and responses seems a bit over the top to me. I could be wrong, but I detect the distinct smell of a hand grenade thrower.

[RandySF]

49. No, I mean your text looks Russian, at least on my screen.

[Snellius]

50. Hard to judge the story when the comments seem a little too invested in it.

So few posts will always raise alarms.

[RandySF]

52. Gretchen is not Hillary

She's generally well-liked, endorsed progressive causes like pot legalization pretty early and took a prominent role in the fight against "right to work". So while I don't know the outcome of Tuesday's primary, it's also folly to assume the same 2016 dynamics are going to play out. She's going to do well in a lot of places Bernie won, especially the central part of the state.

[Snellius]

59. The question responding to is whether the original poster was a Russian troll.

Always a delicate issue and don't have the foggiest clue and confess to not having waded into the weeds of this issue, but that seemed to be blunt problem I was responding to.

[redstateblues]

58. Has a bad smell

[redstateblues]

56. Translate please

[blue-wave]

62. I thought that

we as Democrats, were putting the 2016 election behind us and UNITING into one strong, unbeatable party. Obviously, I'm mistaken.

Now that I said the above, let me say this, then you can attack away.

Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. If he becomes one, I will welcome him into the party. Until then, he has absolutely no influence upon my vote. I can decide without him. Even more, I became very skeptical, to say the least, when I discovered that his chief strategist for the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign was in bed with Manafort. Yes, it appears Manafort was not the only American helping Putin's guy win in Ukraine and rip that country apart. How did that affect our own country, our party and the world?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bernie-sanders-ad-man-who-played-paul-manaforts-game/2018/08/01/0df78c18-95c7-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e7a2c3e4ff68



I'm a regular Democrat, always for party unity and will likely always be that way. It is time to start thinking critically people. Because this midterm election is a critical emergency for America.

[mahannah]

65. "arrogant lying prick (El-Sayed)". Source please.

[llmart]

68. Not gonna happen.

I already voted for Gretchen Whitmer as did all of my senior, female friends in my subdivision who voted absentee.

She's going to win.

[Bengus81]

72. He was in Wichita with candidate James Thompson two weeks ago and drew 4,000

In one of the most Republican strong holds anywhere..........

[LexVegas]

74. Bernie is irrelevant.

[LiberalLovinLug]

78. LOL

2018 rankings he remains THE most popular Senator. It is the height of idiocy to not welcome him, thank him, and support him whenever he uses that influence to help elect another Democrat.

Those on DU that denigrate him are harming the party by sowing discord. Thank gawd Democrats in Washington aren't as short sighted and realize his importance.

https://morningconsult.com/2018/04/12/americas-most-and-least-popular-senators/

[LexVegas]

79. ...

[LiberalLovinLug]

80. Hahahahahahaha

You're right! Ain't it hilarious to entertain the concept of supporting the most popular Senator in the US who is working for our side. How silly of me.

Much smarter to call him names and deride him at every opportunity.



Have fun chuckling in your little 20% of Democrats.

[LexVegas]

81. ...

[LiberalLovinLug]

82. ...

[PDittie]

75. I appreciate the OP and the 18 recs

reminding me to add to my Ignore list.

CeeYA

[KPN]

77. Surprised this OP hasn't been alerted on.

[LiberalLovinLug]

83. The hateful 20% seem to have free reign in here

As polls show 80% of Democrats in general support him. I'd like to know what's behind that. I thought this site would reflect the majority of Dems leanings. It's somewhat suspicious.

[KPN]

84. Right?