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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:47 PM Aug 2018

Paul Manafort trial: Judge abruptly recesses trial, reminds jury not to discuss the case

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by muriel_volestrangler (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: USA Today

The bank and tax fraud trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was abruptly recessed Friday morning, casting doubt that the government could rest its case by day’s end.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III, who huddled privately with prosecutors and defense lawyers at the bench for most of the morning, excused the jury until 1:45 p.m., and did not reveal the reason for the delay.

Before adjourning, Ellis offered an unusually emphatic instruction to the jurors that they should not discuss the case with others or among themselves until all the evidence was in.

Ellis also reminded the panel that Manafort, who was seated at the defense table, is presumed innocent of the 18 criminal counts lodged against him.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/10/paul-manafort-trial-judge-jury-friday-update/956821002/

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Paul Manafort trial: Judge abruptly recesses trial, reminds jury not to discuss the case (Original Post) Calista241 Aug 2018 OP
Judge Ellis can anyone think of a more inappropriate judge MattP Aug 2018 #1
Not so fast. I've read on DU that he is tough but runs a tight court & lawyers respect him. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #10
Ha! I have read some awful things about him on DU! ArizonaLib Aug 2018 #18
I almost wish for a new trial with a different judge radical noodle Aug 2018 #2
I wonder if this judge is working with the repukes and the orange maggot? kimbutgar Aug 2018 #3
That's what it's souding like to me. "I have to talk to someone before we continue..." (my words) C Moon Aug 2018 #17
This smells like a mistrial..................all the way........... turbinetree Aug 2018 #4
Something fishy going on with this judge. Equinox Moon Aug 2018 #5
I'm really surprised that the jury wasn't sequestered Dopers_Greed Aug 2018 #6
***BREAKING*** The judge has been offered the post of Secretary of the Army Perseus Aug 2018 #7
+ 1 ChiTownDenny Aug 2018 #11
Or Secretary of the Space Force JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #15
Just another example for abolishing lifetime appointments! democratisphere Aug 2018 #8
I'd rather judges be lifetime appointments than elected officials. Calista241 Aug 2018 #13
Having recently been a juror, this does not seem unusual spinbaby Aug 2018 #9
ManaFART smiling, secret discussions with Judge: I smell SayItLoud Aug 2018 #12
A re-enactment of Judge Ito? UpInArms Aug 2018 #14
No Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #26
This would not be a surprise canetoad Aug 2018 #16
Finally some analysis and not knee-jerk reactions. Thank you. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #19
Ellis was wrong to give those instructions ArizonaLib Aug 2018 #20
Not only that, but Ellis allowed the witnesses in court ArizonaLib Aug 2018 #21
You forget the second Manafort trial. No, a mistrial would not give them a break. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #25
You're talking about two different things here canetoad Aug 2018 #22
Nope - both points show Judge Ellis is biased ArizonaLib Aug 2018 #23
I agree with the not bringing up Trump thing Dopers_Greed Aug 2018 #24
Locking - duplicate thread muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #27

MattP

(3,304 posts)
1. Judge Ellis can anyone think of a more inappropriate judge
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,996 posts)
10. Not so fast. I've read on DU that he is tough but runs a tight court & lawyers respect him. . . . nt
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:18 PM
Aug 2018

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
18. Ha! I have read some awful things about him on DU!
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:38 PM
Aug 2018

Anyone can look in any biography on him that he has dismissed many wrongful death lawsuits against corporations only to later to see those same corporations settle with each defendant (case in point, Blackwater).

Conservative d-bags are always apologizing for each other.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
2. I almost wish for a new trial with a different judge
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

This one has been pretty outrageous.

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
3. I wonder if this judge is working with the repukes and the orange maggot?
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

He seems to not be too partial of a judge. I think he has been corrupted or being paid off.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
17. That's what it's souding like to me. "I have to talk to someone before we continue..." (my words)
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:28 PM
Aug 2018

GOPutin couldn't stop it, so they got to the judge.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
4. This smells like a mistrial..................all the way...........
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

this jury should have been sequestered ....................unfucking believable, lets see what happens around 2:00 PM EST .............................

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
5. Something fishy going on with this judge.
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:57 PM
Aug 2018

Corruption? RW radical? His age is kicking out some cognitive issues?

He was appointed my Reagan. He is 78 years old.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
6. I'm really surprised that the jury wasn't sequestered
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 12:58 PM
Aug 2018

Info on the trial is literally everywhere. I can't even go out to eat, or to the gym, without seeing Faux News defending Manafort.

It's probably impossible for the jurors to avoid outside info.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
7. ***BREAKING*** The judge has been offered the post of Secretary of the Army
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:05 PM
Aug 2018

by Paul Manafort...His recess was to make some calls to some generals to start preparing for his future role.

 

ChiTownDenny

(747 posts)
11. + 1
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:20 PM
Aug 2018

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
15. Or Secretary of the Space Force
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:03 PM
Aug 2018

the job has to go to somebody, right?

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. Just another example for abolishing lifetime appointments!
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:11 PM
Aug 2018

Power and lifetime appointments may corrupt absolutely!

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
13. I'd rather judges be lifetime appointments than elected officials.
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:48 PM
Aug 2018

Maybe if you shorten the term of the appointment to 10 years. But still, that cuts both ways.

Does anyone here think W Bush would have re-appointed RBG to the court?

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
9. Having recently been a juror, this does not seem unusual
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:14 PM
Aug 2018

My jury duty came with constant reminders not to talk about the case, look at news about the case, or investigate the case in any way. Also constant reminders that the defendant was assumed to be innocent.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
12. ManaFART smiling, secret discussions with Judge: I smell
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:45 PM
Aug 2018

Mistrial due to jury either seeing or discussing verboten stuff.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
14. A re-enactment of Judge Ito?
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 01:57 PM
Aug 2018

🤦🏽?♀️

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,996 posts)
26. No
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:56 PM
Aug 2018

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
16. This would not be a surprise
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:13 PM
Aug 2018

To anyone who watched Rachel on Thursday.

The prosecution was expected to complete it's case on Friday, with the calling of two witnesses who have been given immunity; John Brennan and Dennis Raico. These two are supposedly connected to the Federal Savings Bank of Chicago, the bank that loaned Manafort millions.

The founder of this bank, Stephen Calk, worked on the Trump campaign as a financial adviser and he is the guy who believed that Manafort had cleared the way to his becoming Secretary of the Army.

The problem is that the judge made it perfectly clear that the Trump campaign was not to be brought up at this particular trial; the calling of these witnesses make the mention of Trump's campaign almost inevitable.

So please everyone, hold your horses. Stop indulging in conspiracies about the Judge, and wait to see how this plays out.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,996 posts)
19. Finally some analysis and not knee-jerk reactions. Thank you. . . . nt
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
20. Ellis was wrong to give those instructions
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:42 PM
Aug 2018

He has even had to apologize to the jurors for his court behavior. This judge is not a rookie - he is very experienced and stinks to high heaven of Republican corruption.

Republicans are totally immoral. Family values? Families in cages!

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
21. Not only that, but Ellis allowed the witnesses in court
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:47 PM
Aug 2018

Ellis does not hesitate to admonish the prosecution for anything he doesn't like or favors the defense. Manafort must look really guilty if Ellis continues to emphasize that the jury not discuss the case. If Ellis calls a mistrial, it is to give the Republicans a break before the election. If anyone deserves to request a mistrial it would be the prosecution. A judge that cannot keep it together for a paper trial should be disbarred.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,996 posts)
25. You forget the second Manafort trial. No, a mistrial would not give them a break. . . . nt
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:54 PM
Aug 2018

canetoad

(17,152 posts)
22. You're talking about two different things here
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

Yes, there was an apology, but it was because the Judge spoke harshly to attorney/s. The agreement to not mention Trump campaign was made at the beginning - possibly to avoid contaminating the next Manafort trial.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
23. Nope - both points show Judge Ellis is biased
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:53 PM
Aug 2018

He apologized after the prosecutors complained in writing. It is not within the judge's scope to worry about an unrelated trial.

Ellis is corrupt - it's obvious.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
24. I agree with the not bringing up Trump thing
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:54 PM
Aug 2018

The crimes Manafort's currently on trial for happened prior to the Trump campaign. Having Trump factor into the trial would just bias the jury.

Unless of course, a MAGAt already happened to get onto this jury, lied during voir dire, and will refuse to convict. Which is what I'm worried about.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
27. Locking - duplicate thread
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 02:58 PM
Aug 2018

of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142130761 . The Washington Post page that links to had been updated with this delay, and they have since restarted, so this doesn't seem an important development that needs its own thread.

Please continue discussion in the other thread. Thanks.

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