ICE says man detained driving his pregnant wife to hospital had outstanding warrant for his arrest

[alp227]

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Source: LA Times

An immigrant in the U.S. illegally who was detained by federal immigration officers in San Bernardino this week while he was driving his pregnant wife to the hospital had an outstanding warrant for his arrest in Mexico on homicide charges, authorities said Saturday.

Joel Arrona-Lara was driving his wife, Maria del Carmen Venegas, to a local hospital Wednesday for her scheduled cesarean section when he was apprehended by Immigration and Custom Enforcement agents.

“Mr. Arrona-Lara was brought to ICE’s attention due to an outstanding warrant issued for his arrest in Mexico on homicide charges,” ICE said in a statement. He is currently in custody pending removal proceedings.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ice-detained-man-with-pregnant-wife20180818-story.html

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Normally, the US Marshals have arrested foreign fugitives in the country. (Edit to add) The unit of ICE that arrested Arrona-Lara is the National Fugitive Operations Program.

[BigmanPigman]

1. What did the driver do that was illegal for ICE to pull him over?

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If they are within 100 miles of a border that can be asked for ID but only if they did something illegal...or so I thought those we're the rules. Another DUer gave me this link but I don't see how this is legit. Did ICE run their license plates because they had nothing better to do?
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
Border Patrol, nevertheless, cannot pull anyone over without "reasonable suspicion" of an immigration violation or crime (reasonable suspicion is more than just a "hunch&quot . Similarly, Border Patrol cannot search vehicles in the 100-mile zone without a warrant or "probable cause" (a reasonable belief, based on the circumstances, that an immigration violation or crime has likely occurred).
The Border Patrol often ignores this regulation and, aside from limiting interior checkpoint locations to within the 100-mile zone, rejects any geographic limitation on agents' authority. At least two federal circuit courts condone Border Patrol operations outside the 100-mile zone, federal regulations and Supreme Court precedent notwithstanding.

[genxlib]

7. I am not sure whether the license plate is how they caught him

But police run license plates constantly. The cameras in their vehicles can detect and interpret plate numbers so they are constantly checking them.

I am solidly in all of the privileged groups (white, anglo, male, middle age) and I was once pulled over for a tag issue. Somebody had screwed up tag numbers on an unrelated vehicle sale so it looked like my tag was on the wrong vehicle make/model. I had the WASP privilege so I could convince them the car wasn't stolen.

[LisaL]

8. To me it sounds like they were following him because of the warrant and this wasn't a random

stop as originally reported.

[Archae]

2. If true...

(And yes, I do have a hunch ICE is in a major bout of CYA,) but if it's true, this guy did deserve to get busted.

[Lucky Luciano]

3. I was thinking on reading the headline that the warrant better be for murder!

Well...ok...but like you say, “if true.” In that case, yes...he had to be busted at the first opportunity.

[demsocialist]

4. nothing wrong with that

Murder is kind of a big deal.

[Demovictory9]

5. yeah, wonder if the wife knew

sad way for baby to come into world, with killer daddy

[barbtries]

6. I'm skeptical.

ICE loves tearing families up. maybe it's true but I don't know that it is.

[MichMan]

12. Murder tears them up too

[LanternWaste]

15. No one has argued otherwise.

Nor intimated as such...

[rocktivity]

9. It seemed odd to me that ICE agents just happened to walk up to him

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and just happened to get lucky...


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[LisaL]

10. Who says they just happened to walk up to him?

[rocktivity]

11. A video I saw on Facebook last night

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made no mention of probable cause or an outstanding warrant, just that he and his wife were approached and asked for ID -- which, as I said, struck me as odd.


rocktivity

[hughee99]

13. If ICE caught a guy wanted for murder in Mexico,

And they caught the right guy (not just someone with the same name or someone who looked like him), this is not a story where we’re going to be able to effectively make the case that ICE is harassing immigrants.

[Justice]

14. IF. unclear what the truth is here

Why wouldn't ICE have said this initially - made a big splash of their success?

Why can't ICE provide details of the outstanding warrant? ACLU says no record of warrant under that name.

How does ICE know they have the right person - if he didn't have ID?

Why didn't ICE call ambulance or take pregnant wife to hospital?

[hughee99]

16. I am not saying they handled any of this well,

But if it turns out this is accurate, no one is going to care if he was stopped without probable cause, or probably even that they left his pregnant wife stranded. There are probably hundreds of stories that fit the argument better that don’t have the potential to backfire. If someone is looking for a story to make as a “poster child” for the issue, I don’t think this one is a winner.