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BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:30 PM Aug 2018

Pelosi says impeachment 'not a priority' after Cohen's guilty plea

Source: The Hill

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday said impeaching President Trump is "not a priority," despite Michael Cohen's guilty plea to campaign finance violations that implicated the president.

"Impeachment has to spring from something else," Pelosi, who has long downplayed the possibility of impeachment, told The Associated Press.

Cohen, who was Trump's longtime lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a number of tax and bank fraud charges as well as a campaign finance violation. He said in court that Trump had directed him to arrange payments to two women during his 2016 presidential campaign in exchange for their silence about alleged affairs with Trump.

"If and when the information emerges about that, we'll see," Pelosi said. "It's not a priority on the agenda going forward unless something else comes forward."

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/403024-pelosi-says-impeachment-not-a-priority?amp&__twitter_impression=true



Ummm...See Jerrold Nadler for what an appropriate reaction to yesterday’s developments sounds like:

https://nadler.house.gov/press-release/ranking-member-nadler-statement-felony-convictions-paul-manafort-and-michael-cohen
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Pelosi says impeachment 'not a priority' after Cohen's guilty plea (Original Post) BeyondGeography Aug 2018 OP
Pelosi is smart; she knows trump wouldn't be convicted of an impeachment. 7962 Aug 2018 #1
November will ultimately be a referendum on impeachment BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #4
November mid terms will be a referendum of having effective checks on trump Gothmog Aug 2018 #82
I agree with your main pont BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #86
The GOP is trying to run on impeachment to motivate trump's base Gothmog Aug 2018 #87
Fortunately, there are articulate people out there who are somewhat better on their feet BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #100
There is a true culture of corruption the GOP that is a great issue Gothmog Aug 2018 #110
It is the GOP who is pushing the talk of impeachment Gothmog Aug 2018 #98
Exactly! Not enough Senate votes to convict so why give him that victory? LonePirate Aug 2018 #5
Yeah - with the republican party America 2018 Cosmocat Aug 2018 #43
Even if we won all the seats up for grabs in November we still would lack the votes cstanleytech Aug 2018 #70
It takes 67 votes in the Senate and that is not likely Gothmog Aug 2018 #97
We need him defeated in 2020 mostly treestar Aug 2018 #158
67, not 66 and impeaching him will not get us to 67. LonePirate Aug 2018 #159
I agree. saidsimplesimon Aug 2018 #28
I'm with Nancy Pelosi on this one. underthematrix Aug 2018 #35
Running on Impeachment DownriverDem Aug 2018 #45
At this time, they probably can't even get a House majority spooky3 Aug 2018 #56
If Democrats control the House, they should open investigations, investigations, investigations.... olegramps Aug 2018 #89
This is what lost us the house to begin with. Pelosi's refusal to impeach Bush onit2day Aug 2018 #121
+1000% - Dem leadership and their wobbliness is what infuriates me to no end... - n/t mazzarro Aug 2018 #122
A ridiculous assertion... brooklynite Aug 2018 #123
No. The far left was. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #162
If Muellers report MFM008 Aug 2018 #128
The priority is winning the house so we *can* impeach berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #2
That is the key. After the midterms is when that needs to be introduced. In the meantime the still_one Aug 2018 #8
Investigations should be opened up on several Republican Senators berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #11
You should have included Nunes. Not going to happen unless we get the majority, however, we should still_one Aug 2018 #23
I think this is whole bdamomma Aug 2018 #15
Exactly DownriverDem Aug 2018 #46
We need to win control of the House so that we have one branch that can check trump Gothmog Aug 2018 #83
The DNC has great polling that show that impeachment is a bad issue for Democrats Gothmog Aug 2018 #95
Who did the DNC poll ? CentralMass Aug 2018 #129
Poll finds risks for Democrats toying with impeachment promise Gothmog Aug 2018 #137
Yes! ehrnst Aug 2018 #133
Pelosi is right, no point to impeachment talk without control of House marylandblue Aug 2018 #3
She knows what she is doing, as usual. Talk now of impeachment WILL, without QUESTION Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #29
Yea DownriverDem Aug 2018 #50
I agree grantcart Aug 2018 #165
Absolutely. First we need to win back the House in Nov. DesertRat Aug 2018 #31
"Don't put the cart ahead of the horse." Hulk Aug 2018 #6
+ a million.. Wwcd Aug 2018 #10
First, win in November. dalton99a Aug 2018 #7
I agree even though I want to see Adolf Trump workinclasszero Aug 2018 #99
She doesn't have to talk about because some Rs DeminPennswoods Aug 2018 #9
I want him to resign all on his own. ginnyinWI Aug 2018 #12
He will never resign on his own. Putin won't let him. meadowlander Aug 2018 #22
If they go after his money he might BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #26
She is 100% correct. Keeping the trump noose around the GOP neck is beachbum bob Aug 2018 #13
+1 while keeping the Mueller noose around tRUmp at the same time. Ponietz Aug 2018 #60
She's right. bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #14
long game heaven05 Aug 2018 #16
Given the lack of investigations during Junior's tenure for lying us into ut oh Aug 2018 #17
She's basically saying impeachment is off the table unless "something else comes forward" BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #51
If Pelosi calls for impeachment, then she becomes the story - instead of Trump's crimes. NYC Liberal Aug 2018 #18
There needs to be clear charges against Trump. apnu Aug 2018 #19
I don't want him Impeached,I want control of the House or Senate or BOTH........ Bengus81 Aug 2018 #20
Don't give the GOP an issue to run on bucolic_frolic Aug 2018 #21
Now is not the time to even talk about impeachment, that's what republicans want to see. George II Aug 2018 #24
Smart woman leftynyc Aug 2018 #25
Maybe she should just take a page from Trump's book Mr.Bill Aug 2018 #27
That would have been better BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #32
I so agree with you! nt jrthin Aug 2018 #108
I think she's doing the right thing. cab67 Aug 2018 #30
cats will play with their prey before killing them DBoon Aug 2018 #33
The first step to making rabbit stew is to catch some rabbits. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2018 #34
Excellent response. What we don't want is to be seen chomping at sinkingfeeling Aug 2018 #36
I think the Democrats would need 2/3rds of the house before impeachment elmac Aug 2018 #37
Simple majority ... GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #40
Rebellion generally springs from the young ... GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #38
This. CentralMass Aug 2018 #130
Most Americans are not looking for a rebellion GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #163
I like Nadler's response better for sure. Lucky Luciano Aug 2018 #39
good for her, democrats running don't need to spend time answering JI7 Aug 2018 #41
That's correct, Ms. Pelosi. SergeStorms Aug 2018 #42
Smart woman, that. GOTV first. Hekate Aug 2018 #44
She's right with what we have now. inwiththenew Aug 2018 #47
She's right mcar Aug 2018 #48
A devils advocate argument LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #49
Jerrold Nadler isn't calling for impeachment either. What's your point, BeyondGeography? SunSeeker Aug 2018 #52
He brands Trump as a criminal BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #55
Oh bullshit. Pelosi does NOT "exonerate" Shitler. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #61
And you're overly invested BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #65
You're overly invested in bashing Pelosi. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #67
One step forward BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #68
She makes no "steps back." SunSeeker Aug 2018 #69
Since you went and looked up Jerrold Nadler's statement, why don't you do for Pelosi's statement? George II Aug 2018 #74
May I reccommend some courses in political science? yardwork Aug 2018 #147
Yep. Makes me wonder how anyone can still not understand.. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #151
#facknews ! stonecutter357 Aug 2018 #154
With age and experience comes wisdom. Freethinker65 Aug 2018 #53
Agreed. Roadside Attraction Aug 2018 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author apnu Aug 2018 #57
"Ummm" I read Nadler's position. He's not suggesting impeachment, either. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #58
... BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #63
You're moving the goalposts. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #64
Drop "impeachment" chatter AND dissolving ICE.... Hulk Aug 2018 #59
Yes, sure losers, and even if they succeed, it's not helpful. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #72
Sen. Elizabeth Warren also declined to call for impeachment proceedings... LanternWaste Aug 2018 #62
Pelosi's right awesomerwb1 Aug 2018 #66
Agreed the focus should be on tying Trump around the necks of every Repugnant like an anchor and let cstanleytech Aug 2018 #71
Follow up - Jerrold Nadler didn't say anything substantly different that what Pelosi said, and his.. George II Aug 2018 #73
Tell me what wasn't inept about saying we don't have enough right now to impeach Trump BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #77
Well, since you're referring back to your original characterization, why don't you tell me.... George II Aug 2018 #84
Pelosi did not say we "don't have enough right now to impeach Trump." SunSeeker Aug 2018 #88
Pelosi is smart enough to know what TO say, and what NOT TO say. I trust her. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #75
the usual antagonistic spin on Pelosi's statements.. JHan Aug 2018 #76
Yes it is. I wonder what Bernie had to say about it. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #79
in that case they'll say... JHan Aug 2018 #85
Here's Bernie's response. Like Pelosi, and Warren, no call for impeachment. SunSeeker Aug 2018 #91
So why is Pelosi being attacked on this? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #92
All good questions, NurseJackie! SunSeeker Aug 2018 #105
Nancy Pelosi... MontanaMama Aug 2018 #78
Impeachment is not viable unless you can get 67 senate votes Gothmog Aug 2018 #80
Still trying to win maxrandb Aug 2018 #81
+1 n/t Hotler Aug 2018 #145
Has ZIP to do with that, she is aware what will happen if impeachment is an issue right now, today Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #152
Politics... Mike Nelson Aug 2018 #90
Nadler is calling for a lot of stuff, all good. Not impeachment though. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #93
I agree with Rep. Jefferies-we need to run against the cover up caucus Gothmog Aug 2018 #94
Pelosi is out of touch and about a year behind the curve... JCMach1 Aug 2018 #96
No, Nancy isn't "out of touch".. many people on this Cha Aug 2018 #124
I supported her in the recent past, so not a light decision JCMach1 Aug 2018 #125
I think your idea of the base, and mine, are very different GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #164
It's weird that removing the greatest threat to the country is a low priority. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #101
How about this BlueWI Aug 2018 #102
Nancy Pelosi knows what she is doing. I support her wholeheartedly. She knows that the GOP skylucy Aug 2018 #103
Unless it's "off the table" then too. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #111
Trump is a russian asset. orangecrush Aug 2018 #104
We need congress. joshcryer Aug 2018 #106
So Impeachment is off the table yet again? Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #107
Democrats are afraid to do the right thing. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #112
In contrast the GOP openly ran on impeaching Hillary. CentralMass Aug 2018 #131
wait until Mueller releases his report on the entire thing lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #109
If he is guilty as hell, then it's not too early. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #113
because Mueller hasn't released his report or indicted Trump... lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #114
Are we really afraid of the Trump base that much? Gore1FL Aug 2018 #115
anything we can do to suppress the trump base turnout lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #116
I have to think the majority of us are patriots. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #117
Clearly that statement isn't true for something like 60,000,000 people that voted lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #118
I would hope that some have learned. Gore1FL Aug 2018 #120
Can we please just learn how to message? meadowlander Aug 2018 #119
But we have quite enough to be hella suspicious JCMach1 Aug 2018 #126
That too. meadowlander Aug 2018 #127
That won't work with the die hards who hate her - and I'm talking Democrats. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2018 #134
All legitimate criticism is not reflective of hatred and the parade of -isms that tends to accompany BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #135
Well good, because 1. It's not possible right now and 2. ehrnst Aug 2018 #132
From Nancy Pelosi Gothmog Aug 2018 #136
Whoever wrote that tweet did a good job, but it's missing a key word BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #138
The GOP culture of corruption is an issue that Democrats can win on Gothmog Aug 2018 #139
Here are 5 ways House Democrats can destroy Trump -- even if they can't get the Senate to impeach hi Gothmog Aug 2018 #140
Exactly - I want to see him squirm Retrograde Aug 2018 #150
There is a party talking a lot about the impeachment of President Trump--the GOP. Gothmog Aug 2018 #141
Opinion: Putin Appears To Be Attacking Nancy Pelosi And Some Progressives Are Falling For It Gothmog Aug 2018 #142
Stop kicking this thread with nonsense BeyondGeography Aug 2018 #143
Putin attacking Nancy Pelosi is not nonsense Gothmog Aug 2018 #144
And we are seeing here a lot. I guess that is the way it is gonna be, here. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #153
Russia is pushing these attacks on Nancy Pelosi Gothmog Aug 2018 #156
Thank you for posting this. I think that some of our fellow DUers are being taken in. yardwork Aug 2018 #148
The Minority Party doesn't have the votes, unless it becomes the Majority. So GOTV, complainers,... Hekate Aug 2018 #146
Very smart tactical move jmowreader Aug 2018 #149
I agree with Pelosi's approach matt819 Aug 2018 #155
She is never big on impeachment, but then she requires treestar Aug 2018 #157
Wise move to not energize the radical right delisen Aug 2018 #160
The GOP is circulating a list of investigations that they are afraid of Gothmog Aug 2018 #161
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
1. Pelosi is smart; she knows trump wouldn't be convicted of an impeachment.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:32 PM
Aug 2018

Waste of time to start non stop hearings about it when its not going to happen. She also remembers the GOP results after the Clinton impeachment.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
4. November will ultimately be a referendum on impeachment
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:39 PM
Aug 2018

I have to agree with Bannon on that. This statement is toothless. The sooner our House Leader starts branding Trump as a criminal the better.

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
82. November mid terms will be a referendum of having effective checks on trump
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:01 PM
Aug 2018

Where do you think we will get 67 votes in the Senate for removal? A strong Mueller report may help but we need to see that report first.

November is about having an effective check on trump given that the GOP will not act as a check.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
86. I agree with your main pont
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:15 PM
Aug 2018

We do need to see the report first. In the meantime, Democrats should keep their options open. Pelosi is basically saying that we don't have enough right now to impeach anyway, which is something she needn't and shouldn't have said.

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
87. The GOP is trying to run on impeachment to motivate trump's base
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:19 PM
Aug 2018

There is no need to help the GOP try to motivate the base until we see the Mueller report and we see if there is a chance to get 67 votes. The most important thing is to win control of the House and if possible the Senate so that we can have a check. Winning the Senate is a long shot but is really important if we want to block trump judges.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
100. Fortunately, there are articulate people out there who are somewhat better on their feet
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:58 PM
Aug 2018
In a sign of messaging to come, Aftab Pureval, a Democrat hoping to flip Ohio's first congressional district in November, slammed Republican Rep. Steve Chabot for being part of the problem and then turned the indictment on Trump.

"We need to actually drain the swamp," he said. "We have to hold people accountable and I'm glad the courts did that today. But the best way we can do that is to elect new leaders in November."

Longtime Democrats see evidence that a similar strategy could work again this fall.

"People were already uneasy about continuing Trump's Congress of yes men," said Jesse Ferguson, a longtime Democratic operative, "but now they're going to demand checks and balances to end the cover-ups."

http://www.abc-7.com/story/38941277/impeachment-talk-still-a-no-go-for-democrats-hitting-gops-culture-of-corruption

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
110. There is a true culture of corruption the GOP that is a great issue
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:32 PM
Aug 2018

The GOP is the swamp and I support running against the GOP culture of corruption. This worked for the GOP in 1994 with the post office scandal and in 2006 with Folely

LonePirate

(13,633 posts)
5. Exactly! Not enough Senate votes to convict so why give him that victory?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:40 PM
Aug 2018

There is NO doubt he would spin the impeachment trial as an attack on him to rally his base. He would them claim a victory when the Senate fails to convict him. He will parade his “innocence” and Republicans will celebrate him like a military hero returning home for combat overs as in WW II.

Yes, he is by far the worst president in our history and should not be in office. Still, if we do not have the votes to convict - and we definitely do not have them - we are stuck with him.

We need him to resign or we need Mueller to indict or arrest him or we need his health to fail. We have no other options.

Cosmocat

(14,658 posts)
43. Yeah - with the republican party America 2018
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:44 PM
Aug 2018

He could hijack AF1, force then to fly to Moscow, and personally hand the nuclear football to VP, and you still would not get a single vote in either chamber for impeachment from an R (only shot would have been McCain).

That said, he is not resigning, and he is not going to be found guilty of criminal charges by January 2021, so it will be up to US to fight the epic battles this November and November of 2020 to get the House at least this year, and beat the POS in 2020.

He will only see justice when his bloated carcus is not stinking up 1600 Pa.

cstanleytech

(26,537 posts)
70. Even if we won all the seats up for grabs in November we still would lack the votes
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:15 PM
Aug 2018

as you can be sure the Repugnants stonewall it just like they have been trying their best to stonewall Muellers investigation.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
158. We need him defeated in 2020 mostly
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 02:42 PM
Aug 2018

It seems like that is all we have unless we get that 66 in the Senate.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
28. I agree.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:12 PM
Aug 2018

First, we GOTV in November to insure victory for our Democratic candidates in all races. Then, Madame Pelosi can meet with her peers to discuss "the way forward".

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
35. I'm with Nancy Pelosi on this one.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:31 PM
Aug 2018

The media, politicians and the American people are starting with a false premise, which is Trump is a sitting president. He's not. i don't believe there's a pending interview, pending subpoena or an impeachment. In the matter of the first two, Trump is a target so nether of those two things will happen. In the third instance, Trump is not president based on what I believe is the MOST significant underlying material fact of the SC investigation. I bleiev this is what Putin has on Trump and possibly other family members. This fact is most likely classified and is probably part of the DOJ memo outlining the Special Counsel's investigative authorities. People seem to forget the SC is conducting a criminal counterintelligence investigation and that the obstruction of justice investigation flows from it.

I believe Trump is too dangerous to impeach. I believe he doesn't fall within the meaning of Art 2 of the Constitution. I believe Trump's extensive criminal behavior falls within the scope of the Espionage Act.

DownriverDem

(6,334 posts)
45. Running on Impeachment
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:48 PM
Aug 2018

is not the way to go. Pelosi knows how to play the political game. Yes, it's a game. Folks here who attack Nancy are blind to just how good she is at keeping the Dems united. Not only that, she raises tons of money for the Dems.
We really need her.

spooky3

(34,907 posts)
56. At this time, they probably can't even get a House majority
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:56 PM
Aug 2018

To refer the case to the Senate.

And I think our system of two senators from every state regardless of size is hopelessly weighted toward Republicans at this point—no way would we get 67%.

Pelosi is absolutely right here. After Nov., though, the situation may be different.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
89. If Democrats control the House, they should open investigations, investigations, investigations....
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:23 PM
Aug 2018
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
121. This is what lost us the house to begin with. Pelosi's refusal to impeach Bush
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:59 PM
Aug 2018

Voters were furious with her refusal to hold Bush accountable. We must hold these law breakers accountable or the behavior repeats itself. This PINO is illegitimate and needs to be held accountable for his long list of crimes. He's a fraud. btw...check your registration by going to vote.org

brooklynite

(96,547 posts)
123. A ridiculous assertion...
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 12:32 AM
Aug 2018

Voters were unhappy at Pelosi's refusal to hold Bush accountable so they.....voted Republican?

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
162. No. The far left was.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 10:09 PM
Aug 2018

There was no groundswell for impeachment in 08.

And it would have been a huge embarrassment to the party when the house did not even have the votes to convict. Much less a chance in hell 67 Senator would have.

And it would have taken the steam out of Obama in 08.

Just a ridiculous claim.

MFM008

(19,887 posts)
128. If Muellers report
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 05:10 AM
Aug 2018

Shows evidence
It will be on a new congress to DO THEIR DUTY.
Period.
I dont expect her to say so now.
Its not the job of the congress to allow the bloat king to
Stay enthroned if theres evidence.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
2. The priority is winning the house so we *can* impeach
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:33 PM
Aug 2018

and winning as many senate seats as possible so it might actually stick.

still_one

(93,519 posts)
8. That is the key. After the midterms is when that needs to be introduced. In the meantime the
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:43 PM
Aug 2018

Democrats have to hit hard on the corruption and pattern of illegal behavior of the republican party

That, and of course the issues of healthcare, civil rights, women's rights, environmental rights, alienating our allies, etc. need to be voiced loud and clear why the republicans are not fit to control the agenda

As you said, we get the majority in the House, the Mueller report is finished, that is when we start special investigations in the House, and if we are able to somehow win the majority in the Senate do the same thing, which not only positions us for impeachment, but even more importantly for 2020



 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
11. Investigations should be opened up on several Republican Senators
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:46 PM
Aug 2018

McConnell, Thune, Blunt, Crapo, many more..

still_one

(93,519 posts)
23. You should have included Nunes. Not going to happen unless we get the majority, however, we should
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:06 PM
Aug 2018

able to use this as an issue for 2020

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
83. We need to win control of the House so that we have one branch that can check trump
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:04 PM
Aug 2018

Even if there is no impeachment, control of the House will allow Congress to fulfill its role as part of the check and balances of the system. Right now there are no checks.

Running on impeachment is dumb in that it may hurt our chances to win a majority in the House

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
95. The DNC has great polling that show that impeachment is a bad issue for Democrats
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 06:35 PM
Aug 2018

I guess that some want the Democrats to ignore these facts and instead run on an issue that may help the GOP keep control of the House.

I agree with Nancy Pelosi. This is not a good issue for the mid terms. We need to win control of the House so that there is an effective check on Trump. Running on an issue that will motivate the GOP to turnout is not a good move

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
137. Poll finds risks for Democrats toying with impeachment promise
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 03:25 PM
Aug 2018

I have not seen the DNC internal polls but this poll shows the risk https://www.nbcnews.com/card/poll-finds-risks-democrats-toying-impeachment-promise-n866981

As Democratic candidates for Congress in swing districts weigh how to talk about President Donald Trump in their campaigns, a new poll shows that they might want to hold off on using the "I" word.

The poll from NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist shows that 47 percent of registered voters say they would definitely vote against a candidate for Congress who proposed impeaching Trump, compared to 42 percent who said they would definitely vote for that candidate. One in ten voters were unsure.

While Democrats and Republicans remained mostly in their partisan corners, with 70 percent of Democrats saying they would definitely vote for a candidate who favored impeachment and 84 percent of Republicans saying they'd do the opposite, independents were opposed to supporting a pro-impeachment candidate, 47 percent to 42 percent.

That finding comes even as independents say they have an unfavorable view of Trump overall by almost a 2-1 margin.

Using impeachment as an issue hurts democrats with independent voters.

We need to win control of the House

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
3. Pelosi is right, no point to impeachment talk without control of House
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:38 PM
Aug 2018

She said we need "oversight." Holding oversight hearings would build public support and put pressure on Republicans in the Senate.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,369 posts)
29. She knows what she is doing, as usual. Talk now of impeachment WILL, without QUESTION
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:12 PM
Aug 2018

bring out more assholes to vote for the traitor by voting in other races.

DownriverDem

(6,334 posts)
50. Yea
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:51 PM
Aug 2018

Let trump keep talking about a red wave. He and his supporters really are blind to what is going on. If they believe repubs will win, maybe they will stay home. I can't imagine why any Dem voter would stay home after what trump has brought us.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
165. I agree
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:35 AM
Aug 2018

besides we have a better chance of surrounding him with 50 investigations and beating him down until he resigns.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
6. "Don't put the cart ahead of the horse."
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:40 PM
Aug 2018

I admire smart people. Seriously, she is wise enough to know it's a BAD IDEA to start screaming impeachment. We are going to need the cowardly repuKKKes to join in, and if we start beating that drum now, we create motivation for the dRumpf Nazi fan KKKlub to turn out and vote ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRAT in November.

Just keep your hat on....get the House filled with Democrats, and devote effort to turning the Senate to Democratic control too. That will make lard ass seek out XXX-large diapers in bulk.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
99. I agree even though I want to see Adolf Trump
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 07:14 PM
Aug 2018

be impeached by the coming Dem House.

Get an historic democratic win first. Then we will see what comes next.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
12. I want him to resign all on his own.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:51 PM
Aug 2018

He has been known to back down when pushed into a corner. The reason he says he's strong and a fighter is because he isn't.

meadowlander

(4,454 posts)
22. He will never resign on his own. Putin won't let him.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:04 PM
Aug 2018

And I also suspect that he has a taste for tinpot dictatorship now and you will prise it from his cold dead hands.

bearsfootball516

(6,384 posts)
14. She's right.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:55 PM
Aug 2018

Candidates should focus on local issues that matter to their constituents. They shouldn't bring Trump into it at all. Let Trump, the Russia investigation, impeachment be the silent background. It sets the mood, while the candidates take care of business with local issues.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. long game
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 01:59 PM
Aug 2018

starts in November against don, the wannabe mob boss. She's is right. November GOTV. Priority.

ut oh

(939 posts)
17. Given the lack of investigations during Junior's tenure for lying us into
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:00 PM
Aug 2018

the Iraq debacle, this is not surprising.

Certainly impeachment is not possible right now due to GOP control, but to dismiss it as she seems to be doing outright is also not a good choice.

This pronouncement is potentially going to alienate a lot of people on the left. Many of whom the Dems will need to take back the House and Senate.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
51. She's basically saying impeachment is off the table unless "something else comes forward"
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:51 PM
Aug 2018

Why she felt the need to go that far is a mystery to me.

The overriding impression is that she would just like this whole impeachment thing to go away.

She should keep those reservations to herself IMO even if it means not spoon-feeding Beltway CW to the media.

NYC Liberal

(20,206 posts)
18. If Pelosi calls for impeachment, then she becomes the story - instead of Trump's crimes.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:00 PM
Aug 2018

She’s right to say this.

Calling for impeachment now, without any means to act on it, turns all this into a political story rather than a legal and criminal one.

apnu

(8,779 posts)
19. There needs to be clear charges against Trump.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:03 PM
Aug 2018

So far there aren't any. I'm sure Mueller is in the process of figuring that out, but officially, there's no actionable evidence besides one aggrieved guy's word in court yesterday.

Recall how they dug forever on Bill Clinton in the 1990s and the R's chanted "impeachment" daily but didn't have anything until Clinton committed perjury.

Pelosi's smart, she knows the game and she knows there's nothing, yet, to charge Trump with.

Bengus81

(7,080 posts)
20. I don't want him Impeached,I want control of the House or Senate or BOTH........
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:03 PM
Aug 2018

and watch Trump twist in the wind and whine 100n times more than he does now.

bucolic_frolic

(44,611 posts)
21. Don't give the GOP an issue to run on
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:04 PM
Aug 2018

Bide your time. If the cards fall right, impeachment will be pre-packaged debtor-in-possession, no heavy lifting

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. Smart woman
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:07 PM
Aug 2018

The ONLY answer to anyone asking about impeachment is "we're waiting for the Mueller report" to see what it uncovers. PERIOD.

Mr.Bill

(24,454 posts)
27. Maybe she should just take a page from Trump's book
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:11 PM
Aug 2018

and just reply "We'll see what happens" whenever she is asked about impeachment.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
32. That would have been better
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:15 PM
Aug 2018

Saying “impeachment has to come from somewhere else,” why? And what do you gain by even saying that?

cab67

(3,085 posts)
30. I think she's doing the right thing.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:14 PM
Aug 2018

I want the Damp Lord tossed out as badly as any of us, but there's zero chance of a conviction in the Senate under even the most optimistic projections of what might happen in the election. That would empower him. And as also stated here, it would shift the focus from the shaved orangutan to Pelosi.

If there's going to be an impeachment, we need the conditions that pertained in 1974 - a case so glaring that even the president's own party is compelled to go along with it. Last year, I actually thought Republicans might be willing to remove Trump this year if it became apparent that Trump's unpopularity would cost Republicans the Congress in November. I thought it would come down to a practical matter of saving their jobs and their majority. Even if they weren't necessarily ready to put country over party (as many Republicans were in 1974), they might not want to lose elections.

But we're in a different political environment than in 1974. Trump's cult followers won't listen to reason. The wrongdoing here is way beyond glaring, but I'm not sure it's even a matter party over country - it's all about Trump. Nixon had nothing like it. Republicans are damned if they do, and damned if they don't - they either act in the best interest of the country (and lose Trump's followers), or they back Trump (and lose everyone else).

It's regrettable that our country has to be slimed so badly as this unfolds. I want to see him leave office in such disgrace that his portrait is never displayed in the White House. Leaving office under arrest would be even better. But at the present time, I really don't see impeachment as a reality. Our best bet would be to compel resignation.

sinkingfeeling

(51,766 posts)
36. Excellent response. What we don't want is to be seen chomping at
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:34 PM
Aug 2018

the bit to impeach going into the midterms. If we win back the House and control of investigative committees, then we talk impeachment.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
37. I think the Democrats would need 2/3rds of the house before impeachment
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:35 PM
Aug 2018

and we know the fascists would obstruct any attempt south of that number. Now is not the time to waste energy on impeachment. Lets let the DOJ do there job, let the fascists slow cook until the pig is done.

Lucky Luciano

(11,307 posts)
39. I like Nadler's response better for sure.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:37 PM
Aug 2018

It is actionable and something to campaign on while avoiding impeachment talk that is going nowhere for now.

At least it’s not off the table which was an absurd thing to say when silence on the topic would have been just fine regarding W to keep it hanging out there as a possibility.

JI7

(89,591 posts)
41. good for her, democrats running don't need to spend time answering
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

questions about whether they agree with her on impeachment.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
42. That's correct, Ms. Pelosi.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:43 PM
Aug 2018

When playing poker you never give away what you're holding. Sucker the other players into raising the stakes. Let more and more Republicans slowly see that Trump's (ergo, their ) political future is untenable, and then - and only then - show your cards, and walk away from the table a winner.

This isn't Nancy Pelosi's first poker game.

inwiththenew

(979 posts)
47. She's right with what we have now.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

Unless you have 67 votes in the Senate this all just a masturbatory fantasy anyway. We don't need to add another ring to this circus.

mcar

(42,889 posts)
48. She's right
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:49 PM
Aug 2018

Real investigations, real hearings, televised. Dotard's team of criminals under oath.

They are the priorities.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,237 posts)
49. A devils advocate argument
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:51 PM
Aug 2018

There are risks going either direction.

Yes, if she frames the November elections about impeaching Trump, it could be a rallying point to draw the deplorables from their shithole communities en mass.

But the argument in favor of trumpeting impeachment would be that it would show all Trump haters and recently deprogramed, that Democrats take the charges against him seriously. That we think he is such a threat that we anounce our intentions regardless and by doing so, we GAIN votes. One for the respect of our honesty. But also, as we have learned from the GOP to our chagrin, over and over, that the news media can make a yuuuuuuuge difference in opinion. If it looks like Dems are meek and mild about the whole thing, Repubs will fill the void with their own invented projected attacks. Conversely, we have learned that something, whether true or not, if it is repeated and repeated, "Traitor Trump!" for instance, by such a major political party, and then reported on and repeated on the MSM, it sinks in deeper into the social fabric as reality, it shapes opinion. Why not use that effect too?

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
55. He brands Trump as a criminal
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:55 PM
Aug 2018

Pelosi basically exonerates him. Impeachment “has to come from somewhere else.”

SunSeeker

(52,369 posts)
61. Oh bullshit. Pelosi does NOT "exonerate" Shitler.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:59 PM
Aug 2018

She nowhere says that. You have issues with Pelosi, obviously. And it has nothing to do with what she actually said.

And Nadler did not call Trump a criminal. He called for an investigation.

Words matter, BeyondGeography.

Your bashing of Pelosi is disgusting, and plays right into the GOP's hands.



Here's Pelosi's statement, please tell me how it is materially different from Nadler's:

Pelosi Statement on Manafort Guilty Verdict and Cohen Guilty Plea

San Francisco – Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released this statement following the conviction of Paul Manafort on multiple felony charges of tax and bank fraud, and the guilty plea by Michael Cohen of tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations:

“Today’s guilty verdicts against President Trump’s campaign Chairman, Paul Manafort, and the guilty plea of Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, are further evidence of the rampant corruption and criminality at the heart of Trump’s inner circle. Cohen’s admission of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in hush money ‘at the direction of the candidate’ to influence the 2016 election shows the President’s claims of ignorance to be far from accurate, and places him in even greater legal jeopardy.

“These convictions are further proof that the Special Counsel’s team and prosecutors in New York are conducting thorough and professional investigations, which must be permitted to continue free from interference. Congressional Republicans’ determination to cover up for the President and his criminal cronies betrays their oath of office and undermines their duty to the American people. House Republicans must abandon their complicity with President Trump and affirm that no one is above the law.

“The Trump Administration and Congressional Republicans’ unprecedented culture of corruption, cronyism and incompetence is characteristic of the dysfunctional political system in Washington. Democrats are committed to fighting For The People to restore dignity to our democracy and give power back to the people.”
https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82118-2/

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
65. And you're overly invested
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:04 PM
Aug 2018

She would have been fine with saying impeachment is not a priority. Then she goes the extra step and undermines the existing case for it.

Legally, she might be right. Politically, that was inept. Unless you’re comfortable with statements that basically downplay Trump’s criminality.

SunSeeker

(52,369 posts)
67. You're overly invested in bashing Pelosi.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:08 PM
Aug 2018

She does NOT undermine the existing case for impeachment.

Again, here is her statement:

Pelosi Statement on Manafort Guilty Verdict and Cohen Guilty Plea

San Francisco – Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released this statement following the conviction of Paul Manafort on multiple felony charges of tax and bank fraud, and the guilty plea by Michael Cohen of tax fraud, bank fraud and campaign finance violations:

“Today’s guilty verdicts against President Trump’s campaign Chairman, Paul Manafort, and the guilty plea of Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, are further evidence of the rampant corruption and criminality at the heart of Trump’s inner circle. Cohen’s admission of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in hush money ‘at the direction of the candidate’ to influence the 2016 election shows the President’s claims of ignorance to be far from accurate, and places him in even greater legal jeopardy.

These convictions are further proof that the Special Counsel’s team and prosecutors in New York are conducting thorough and professional investigations, which must be permitted to continue free from interference. Congressional Republicans’ determination to cover up for the President and his criminal cronies betrays their oath of office and undermines their duty to the American people. House Republicans must abandon their complicity with President Trump and affirm that no one is above the law.

“The Trump Administration and Congressional Republicans’ unprecedented culture of corruption, cronyism and incompetence is characteristic of the dysfunctional political system in Washington. Democrats are committed to fighting For The People to restore dignity to our democracy and give power back to the people.”
https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82118-2/

It hits Trump and the criminals he surrounds himself every bit as much as Nadler's statement.

George II

(67,782 posts)
74. Since you went and looked up Jerrold Nadler's statement, why don't you do for Pelosi's statement?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:36 PM
Aug 2018

BTW, I posted a link to that below.

Still don't get the point of your criticism.

yardwork

(62,352 posts)
147. May I reccommend some courses in political science?
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 12:32 PM
Aug 2018

With all respect, I don't think you understand how Congress works.

 
54. Agreed.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:54 PM
Aug 2018

Forget about impeaching The Dotard.

Instead, use Democratic control of Congressional committees to investigate every single move of anyone appointed by or close to Trump. Bury them in subpoenas. Hold public hearings and roast the bastards. Leak the testimony given in closed hearings.

And then: LOCK 'EM UP!!!!!

Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
58. "Ummm" I read Nadler's position. He's not suggesting impeachment, either.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

So what's the compare-and-contrast routine you're asking us to look at?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. You're moving the goalposts.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:02 PM
Aug 2018

Faster than I can keep up.

And yet, the faults you find with Pelosi versus the righteousness you allow Nadler seem predicated not on objective statements, but on your own (admitted) interpretation of them.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
59. Drop "impeachment" chatter AND dissolving ICE....
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 02:58 PM
Aug 2018

...those are two sure losers when it comes to winning in November.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,545 posts)
72. Yes, sure losers, and even if they succeed, it's not helpful.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:32 PM
Aug 2018

A successful impeachment gives us President Pence.

Dissolving ICE just moves their functions to another three-letter agency. The function is not ended, just reorganized.

GOTV.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. Sen. Elizabeth Warren also declined to call for impeachment proceedings...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:00 PM
Aug 2018

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), a vocal Trump critic and possible 2020 presidential contender, on Wednesday also declined to call for impeachment proceedings, focusing instead on passing legislation that would protect Mueller.


(from same story which ends with "Democrats in the House previously attempted to introduce articles of impeachment against Trump, but the measure overwhelmingly failed...&quot

awesomerwb1

(4,320 posts)
66. Pelosi's right
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:07 PM
Aug 2018

And let's all leave it at that shall we?

Now what are we doing this week to help Dems take the House?

cstanleytech

(26,537 posts)
71. Agreed the focus should be on tying Trump around the necks of every Repugnant like an anchor and let
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:17 PM
Aug 2018

him drag them to the bottom where they lowered the bar.

George II

(67,782 posts)
73. Follow up - Jerrold Nadler didn't say anything substantly different that what Pelosi said, and his..
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:33 PM
Aug 2018

...was a prepared statement that didn't even mention impeachment. Pelosi's on-the-fly comment was a response to a verbal question, and the article from The Hill is an account of what she said, not a transcript.

Here is what Pelosi FORMALLY said:

https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82118-2/

I don't get what you mean by "see...what an appropriate reaction to yesterday's developments sounds like". Was Pelosi's comment "inappropriate"?

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
77. Tell me what wasn't inept about saying we don't have enough right now to impeach Trump
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:53 PM
Aug 2018

Tell me why she even needed to go there. Please, why?

Nadler certainly doesn't. He throws his punches at Trump, puts the pressure on the Republicans to do their constitutional duty and moves on.

George II

(67,782 posts)
84. Well, since you're referring back to your original characterization, why don't you tell me....
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:04 PM
Aug 2018

....specifically what WAS inept about her VERBAL statement. Since you referred to Nadler's official, formal statement (I love the guy by the way!) why don't you read Pelosi's official, formal statement instead of The Hill's excerpts from her answers to questions?

I suspect I know why you're zeroing in on Pelosi.

SunSeeker

(52,369 posts)
88. Pelosi did not say we "don't have enough right now to impeach Trump."
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:22 PM
Aug 2018

As the article you cite notes, the House did have a vote to start impeachment of Trump, and it failed by a 355-66 vote. What would have been "inept" is to waste our time revisiting that issue until we have the votes.

The Hill does not give us the question she was responding to, so we have to assume it was whether the Democrats will now move to impeach Trump. It also does not purport to be a complete transcript of what she said. There are only a series of disconnected quotes:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday said impeaching President Trump is "not a priority," despite Michael Cohen's guilty plea to campaign finance violations that implicated the president.

"Impeachment has to spring from something else," Pelosi, who has long downplayed the possibility of impeachment, told The Associated Press.

Cohen, who was Trump's longtime lawyer and fixer, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a number of tax and bank fraud charges as well as a campaign finance violation. He said in court that Trump had directed him to arrange payments to two women during his 2016 presidential campaign in exchange for their silence about alleged affairs with Trump.

"If and when the information emerges about that, we'll see," Pelosi said. "It's not a priority on the agenda going forward unless something else comes forward."


It appears all she is saying is Cohen implicating Trump does not warrant making impeachment a priority at this time. Because she can do math, and is not ineptly taking the bait on impeachment questions which could hurt us in the midterms.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
75. Pelosi is smart enough to know what TO say, and what NOT TO say. I trust her.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:51 PM
Aug 2018

Pelosi is smart enough to know what TO say, and what NOT-TO say. I trust her. She knows how to count. She knows that mere "impeachment" does not mean removal. Politically-speaking... we only have one shot at a successful impeachment AND removal from office. Why blow it all prematurely?

This is just another in a long string of not-so-subtle Pelosi bashing threads that serve no useful purpose at all (except to create distrust and to divide the party).

JHan

(10,173 posts)
76. the usual antagonistic spin on Pelosi's statements..
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:52 PM
Aug 2018

statements which when said by others don't garner nearly as much outrage.

It's so predictable.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
79. Yes it is. I wonder what Bernie had to say about it.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:59 PM
Aug 2018
It's so predictable.
Yes it is. I wonder what Bernie had to say about it.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
85. in that case they'll say...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:06 PM
Aug 2018

He's not the leader of the party while in the same breath claiming he's the future of the party.

I gotta say the repukes have done a helluva job demonizing dem leaders when even democrats parrot the same tired old Pelosi narratives which never stand up to scrutiny.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
92. So why is Pelosi being attacked on this?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 05:01 PM
Aug 2018
Here's Bernie's response. Like Pelosi, and Warren, no call for impeachment.
So why is Pelosi being attacked on this? Why isn't Bernie also being attacked/criticized/nitpicked? Why are he and Warren exempt from the type of attacks and smears being hurled at Nancy Pelosi?



PS: Thanks for the video.

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
80. Impeachment is not viable unless you can get 67 senate votes
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 03:59 PM
Aug 2018

Impeachment may be viable after Mueller report but it is too early to make promises. I agree with the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi that we should not run on impeachment for the midterms. Impeachment does not poll well and running on impeachment would be a dumb move

maxrandb

(15,641 posts)
81. Still trying to win
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:00 PM
Aug 2018

the "Dumbfuckistan, 'Murika" vote I see.

We must not agitate the hayseeds wallowing in their own bile in some godforsaken hellhole VFW Post, drinking warm beer and telling each other how great their sisters are in bed.

Stand on principal Nancy

Eliot Rosewater

(31,369 posts)
152. Has ZIP to do with that, she is aware what will happen if impeachment is an issue right now, today
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 01:40 PM
Aug 2018

that it will bring out the assholes to vote.

she is NOT trying to get their votes, she is trying NOT to encourage them to come out and vote for cons

Mike Nelson

(10,110 posts)
90. Politics...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 04:37 PM
Aug 2018

… running on impeachment isn't always successful. what she may mean is a damning report, citing specific crimes. She can't say Cohen said this and that without a legal paper focusing on the "Individual running for Federal office."

Eliot Rosewater

(31,369 posts)
93. Nadler is calling for a lot of stuff, all good. Not impeachment though.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 05:16 PM
Aug 2018

He is simply laying out what Pelosi and he and others want, nothing unusual about that.

Pelosi once again shows SHE knows what she is doing.

And the reason he isnt and she isnt is because they know RIGHT NOW that would hurt their chances to take back the House and the Senate wont convict anyway.

Common sense.

JCMach1

(27,642 posts)
96. Pelosi is out of touch and about a year behind the curve...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 06:35 PM
Aug 2018

I hate to say it, but she really needs to step down.

It's really becoming embarrassing.

Cha

(300,363 posts)
124. No, Nancy isn't "out of touch".. many people on this
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 02:33 AM
Aug 2018

thread agree with her. Are we "out of touch", too?

JCMach1

(27,642 posts)
125. I supported her in the recent past, so not a light decision
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:22 AM
Aug 2018

On my part. Pelosi's public statements on impeachment are way off where the base are... Also, the last 2 interviews I saw with her, she was just bad... Not just on the issues...

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
164. I think your idea of the base, and mine, are very different
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 10:21 PM
Aug 2018

If a person needs to hear impeachment to vote then they are definitely not the base.

Gore1FL

(21,296 posts)
101. It's weird that removing the greatest threat to the country is a low priority.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:05 PM
Aug 2018

Whose votes are we trying to get?

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
102. How about this
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:07 PM
Aug 2018

"If the criminal convictions of Manafort and Cohen indeed implicate the president, there may be grounds for bipartisan action to protect election integrity and defend the Constitution, as all elected representatives are sworn to do. At this time, I don't see grounds for impeachment, but the investigations must continue."

That would show some resolve and honestly acknowledge the level of national crisis we are approaching.

skylucy

(3,777 posts)
103. Nancy Pelosi knows what she is doing. I support her wholeheartedly. She knows that the GOP
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:19 PM
Aug 2018

wants to get Trump-cult crazies out to vote in November by making the election about impeachment. Plenty of time for that AFTER Dems win back the house. Thank you Nancy!

Gore1FL

(21,296 posts)
111. Unless it's "off the table" then too.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:09 PM
Aug 2018

It was off the table when we were lied into war.
It's not a priority when we were attacked by our 50-year cold war rival.

When is impeachment worth talking about if not in those cases? Why isn't treason a campaign issue?

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
106. We need congress.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:39 PM
Aug 2018

Now I don't know whether being pro-impeachment would be a good rallying call or if it would get the Republicans to get out and vote or what.

But if you can use pro-impeachment in that way, and it wouldn't backfire, then it should be used that way.

Farmer-Rick

(10,567 posts)
107. So Impeachment is off the table yet again?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

If Torture wasn't good enough to impeach, I doubt anything less than murder witnessed by hundreds will be good enough.

We heard all these same arguments when we gave the Dems Congress back under W. It did absolutely nothing to keep Dems in power after W sauntered off. Repeating the mistake of letting the criminals off will only lead to bigger criminals.

Gore1FL

(21,296 posts)
112. Democrats are afraid to do the right thing.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:14 PM
Aug 2018

We've been cowering in the corner since Mondale's loss in 1984.

In the meantime, the GOP normalizes treason.

If there was ever a reason beyond the Russians that Clinton lost, it was this sort of behavior from Democratic leadership. Fuck doing whats right, let's go with political expediency based on the outlined talking-points provided the GOP...

I know it's ironically unpopular to be progressive on DU, but we seriously need leadership that remembers and is willing to fight for the values of our country and our party. If Nancy Pelosi won't, I'll support who will. It's that simple.



CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
131. In contrast the GOP openly ran on impeaching Hillary.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:09 AM
Aug 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/03/no-honeymoon-for-hillary-congressional-republicans-openly-discussing-impeachment/

How the GOP is already working on how to impeach Hillary Clinton

"Some Republican lawmakers seem to be trying to delegitimize a Hillary Clinton presidency before it's clear there will be one. They are threatening to block her Supreme Court nominees, investigate her endlessly, or even impeach her.
Perhaps it's no surprise in an election in which the GOP nominee, Donald Trump, has branded his opponent "Crooked Hillary," and shouts of "lock her up!" are a staple at his rallies. Few Republicans appear eager to suggest a new era of bipartisan deal-making with a candidate widely seen by GOP voters as untrustworthy.

But the rhetoric is striking because newly elected presidents traditionally enjoy a honeymoon period with Congress and the public.

For Clinton, the honeymoon appears to be over even before it's clear she will be elected.

"I would say yes, high crime or misdemeanor," GOP Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin said this week in an interview with the Beloit Daily News, arguing that with her handling of emails Clinton had crossed the constitutionally established threshold for impeachment proceedings.

"This was willful concealment and destruction," said Johnson, who is in a tight race for re-election as control of the Senate hangs in the balance.

Johnson's comments follow recent remarks by GOP Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas, Richard Burr of North Carolina and John McCain of Arizona suggesting that they will oppose any and all Supreme Court nominations Clinton might make."

More at the link.

lapfog_1

(29,415 posts)
109. wait until Mueller releases his report on the entire thing
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 09:03 PM
Aug 2018

It is premature to call for impeachment right now.

Yes, Trump is guilty as hell...

Gore1FL

(21,296 posts)
113. If he is guilty as hell, then it's not too early.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:16 PM
Aug 2018

Why do so many feel that Trump treason isn't a good campaign issue?

lapfog_1

(29,415 posts)
114. because Mueller hasn't released his report or indicted Trump...
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:19 PM
Aug 2018

and the repukes will claim that the Democrats running are bent on undoing the 2016 election and nothing else.

Gore1FL

(21,296 posts)
115. Are we really afraid of the Trump base that much?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:20 PM
Aug 2018

Because, seriously, who really believes that but them?

lapfog_1

(29,415 posts)
116. anything we can do to suppress the trump base turnout
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:25 PM
Aug 2018

increases the number of wins Democrats will get... bigger margin, possibly control of the Senate in addition to the House.

Then we impeach the asshole and his whole administration.

The bigger the win this November, the bigger the chance is that remaining repukes in the Senate find a spine and decide to vote to convict in the Senate trial. It's still a long shot to convict and remove... but the damage may be done that makes Trump ineffective for the remaining 2 years.

lapfog_1

(29,415 posts)
118. Clearly that statement isn't true for something like 60,000,000 people that voted
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:29 PM
Aug 2018

for someone with the KNOWN flaws of one DJT.

Gore1FL

(21,296 posts)
120. I would hope that some have learned.
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:32 PM
Aug 2018

We have the winning message. We have been afraid of it since 1984. We need to broadcast it.

Democrats are right. Republicans are wrong. Trump is a treasonous criminal. We cannot be afraid of that. We just can't. It's a winning message.

meadowlander

(4,454 posts)
119. Can we please just learn how to message?
Wed Aug 22, 2018, 10:30 PM
Aug 2018

All she had to say was "We don't have all the information yet." Full stop.

JCMach1

(27,642 posts)
126. But we have quite enough to be hella suspicious
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:24 AM
Aug 2018

So yeah, her messaging and communication is way off. But then again, that has been the norm for her lately.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
135. All legitimate criticism is not reflective of hatred and the parade of -isms that tends to accompany
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 12:43 PM
Aug 2018

such "analysis."

For instance, Nancy Pelosi is not the most articulate Democrat. It's also true that there is no ACA without Nancy Pelosi.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
132. Well good, because 1. It's not possible right now and 2.
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 12:01 PM
Aug 2018

It will give the rage boners that his deplorables all have right now toward any woman, especially an older Democratic woman, reason to take them to the polls in November and shoot their electoral wad.

After we have the house is the time to strike.

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
138. Whoever wrote that tweet did a good job, but it's missing a key word
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:01 PM
Aug 2018

GOP Corruption. Republican Corruption. Call it by name. A lot of people are cynical about politicians, you know.

This is a mind-numbing habit of ours, this failure to call out Republicans by name. There was nothing more mystifying to me than watching President Obama say “Congress” needs to do its job when the only people in the way were Republicans.

The overriding problem with this country is the Republican Party. Is there polling data somewhere that says our numbers go down when we layer “Republican” into an attack?

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
139. The GOP culture of corruption is an issue that Democrats can win on
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 04:13 PM
Aug 2018

I am old. I remember the 1994 mid terms where the post office scandal hurt the Democrats and gave the GOP control of Congress. I also remember the 2006 mid term where Foley and other GOP scandals gave Democrats control of the House and Senate

We need to run on issues that we can win on.

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
140. Here are 5 ways House Democrats can destroy Trump -- even if they can't get the Senate to impeach hi
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 06:22 PM
Aug 2018

Here are 5 ways House Democrats can destroy Trump -- even if they can't get the Senate to impeach him https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/5-ways-house-democrats-can-destroy-trump-even-cant-get-senate-impeach/

According to the columnist, there are 5 ways Trump can be kept on the defensive as he is subjected to daily news releases from Democrats who will have taken control of the House and therefore all of its committees.

Use their control of the Ways and Means Committee to obtain and release Trump’s tax returns so that we finally learn what he has been hiding.

Hold hearings on the ways Trump is personally profiting off the presidency and potentially violating the Constitution’s emoluments clause.

Mount a serious, comprehensive investigation into the Russian attack on the 2016 election and the Trump campaign’s cooperation with that attack.

Investigate accusations of wrongdoing that have been leveled at Cabinet officials such as Wilbur Ross and Ryan Zinke.

Demand answers from the administration on the decision-making process and effects of controversial administration policies, such as adding a citizenship question to the census, relaxing rules for power plant emissions, making it easier for private “universities” to scam students, and tearing children from their parents’ arms at the border.

Retrograde

(10,311 posts)
150. Exactly - I want to see him squirm
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 01:29 PM
Aug 2018

and be so uncomfortable that he frets himself into a severe illness - especially when his beloved Ivanka is facing federal and state charges.

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
142. Opinion: Putin Appears To Be Attacking Nancy Pelosi And Some Progressives Are Falling For It
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 05:09 PM
Aug 2018

Russian trolls are pushing many of the attacks on Pelosi https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/25/putin-pelosi-progressives.html

Led by Nancy Pelosi, Democrats are very likely to take back the House in November and just like in 2016, the prospect of a strong, capable woman being in a position of power scares the Kremlin and the Republican Party.

In 2016, ageism and sexism worked on conservatives, but it also worked on progressives. So, it looks as if they’re trying it again, this time with Nancy Pelosi as the intended target.

Jen Kirkman noted the similarity in the attacks perfectly in a tweet:

The anti-Pelosi stuff isn’t you being a free-thinking, young, or middle-aged revolutionary. It’s a Kremlin created talking point (“new blood vs establishment”) that was subtly sold to you as progressive due to your conscious or unconscious sexism/ageism and you fell for it.

— JEN KIRKMAN (@JenKirkman) August 24, 2018

BeyondGeography

(39,483 posts)
143. Stop kicking this thread with nonsense
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 05:24 PM
Aug 2018

57 D House candidates are on the record as either opposed to returning Pelosi to the speakership or undecided. Are they Russian dupes too?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,369 posts)
153. And we are seeing here a lot. I guess that is the way it is gonna be, here.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 01:41 PM
Aug 2018

sad

Really FUCKING pisses me OFF

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
156. Russia is pushing these attacks on Nancy Pelosi
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 02:38 PM
Aug 2018

Russia did this with a number of issues in 2016. We can let Russia be successful or we can look at the facts.

Hekate

(92,322 posts)
146. The Minority Party doesn't have the votes, unless it becomes the Majority. So GOTV, complainers,...
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 12:29 PM
Aug 2018

...and see how the calculus changes.

Pelosi is smarter that all the complainers -- the lady can still count votes.

jmowreader

(50,813 posts)
149. Very smart tactical move
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 01:16 PM
Aug 2018

If Pelosi announces that we’re gonna impeach Trump if we take back Congress, that’ll only cause Trump to go on another Twitter rant.

After Robert Mueller’s report comes in after the election and the Republican caucuses see they’ve got to help get rid of him is the time to start the impeachment process.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
155. I agree with Pelosi's approach
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 02:31 PM
Aug 2018

There’s nothing to stop the Dems from changing their tune when they’re in the majority. But Dems play right into republican hands when the force the focus onto this one issue inthe campaign. Dems certainly have enough else to hammer republicans on. Corruption, family separations, art of the no deal, and much more.

delisen

(6,223 posts)
160. Wise move to not energize the radical right
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 02:53 PM
Aug 2018

We are energized--they are less energized every day.

Trump's backers in Congress want to run against Pelosi, but most Trump voters do not care about Pelosi....but they will get energized over talk of impeachment.

Gothmog

(148,743 posts)
161. The GOP is circulating a list of investigations that they are afraid of
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 09:57 PM
Aug 2018

If the Democrats get control of the House, here are some areas of investigation.




The fact that the GOP is scared of this list makes me happy. There is a ton oversight that has not been done under the GOP that will keep the Democrats very busy if they retake the House
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