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PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:31 PM Sep 2018

Report: Pharma exec says he had 'moral requirement' to raise drug price 400%

Source: CNN

(CNN)A pharmaceutical company executive defended his company's recent 400% drug price increase, telling the Financial Times that his company had a "moral requirement to sell the product at the highest price." The head of the US Food and Drug Administration blasted the executive in a response on Twitter.

Nirmal Mulye, founder and president of Nostrum Pharmaceuticals, commented in a story Tuesday about the decision to raise the price of an antibiotic mixture called nitrofurantoin from about $500 per bottle to more than $2,300. The drug is listed by the World Health Organization as an "essential" medicine for lower urinary tract infections.

"I think it is a moral requirement to make money when you can," Mulye told the Financial Times, "to sell the product for the highest price."
The Financial Times said Mulye compared his decision to increase the price to that of an art dealer who sells "a painting for half a billion dollars" and said he was in "this business to make money."

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/11/health/drug-price-hike-moral-requirement-bn/index.html



First, Medicare for all Americans with the government empowered to negotiate prices down. The profit motive doesn't mix with healthcare.

Second, the government needs to force changes in the corporate charters of publicly held companies doing business in the USA to expand fiduciary responsibility beyond shareholders to the welfare of workers, consumers and the environment. Do this, and problems like this will be nipped in the bud.
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Report: Pharma exec says he had 'moral requirement' to raise drug price 400% (Original Post) PatrickforO Sep 2018 OP
Moral...he uses that word, but I don't think he knows what it means.... Maeve Sep 2018 #1
Nostrum...he uses that word, but I don't think he knows what it means.... Ramsey Barner Sep 2018 #34
Yes, ignorant as well as greedy! Maeve Sep 2018 #36
Scum. That's all you need to know about this guy. Cattledog Sep 2018 #2
Just saw a program on how hospitals raise medications 1000% ! They blame that on the poor. YOHABLO Sep 2018 #3
And I'd think it moral if he were to be ... Solly Mack Sep 2018 #4
The man would rather see people die than actually help them sakabatou Sep 2018 #5
Not so fast, there. He might hope they will linger until they are totally bankrupt! Judi Lynn Sep 2018 #28
Morals according to Trump. Vinca Sep 2018 #6
Yes. Exactly in line with Trump Bizarro World morality. dchill Sep 2018 #20
Someone has now perfectly explained the Trump/Republican worldview. enough Sep 2018 #7
When Unbridled Capitalism is Your God, This Makes Perfect Sense dlk Sep 2018 #8
Medicare Part D, when enacted by Republicans, specifically prohibited the federal government alwaysinasnit Sep 2018 #9
Deplorable. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2018 #10
Here's the email for the scumbag Liberalhammer Sep 2018 #11
Ayn Rand is dead DBoon Sep 2018 #12
Up is down UpInArms Sep 2018 #13
He is partly right... noneof_theabove Sep 2018 #14
Non profit hospitals are required to reinvest any surplus back into the systen tymorial Sep 2018 #16
How is it morally right? LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #15
CAPITALISM----- sucks !!!!!!!!! pangaia Sep 2018 #17
The corporation name is sooooooo appropriate! Staph Sep 2018 #18
This is what E Warren is fighting against. sharedvalues Sep 2018 #19
Yes, we all need to find out more about this Act and how we can support PatrickforO Sep 2018 #37
I'm sure that was right in the bible knightmaar Sep 2018 #21
Report: 47of74 has a "moral requirement" to say fuck you to this executive. 47of74 Sep 2018 #22
War on women. Ilsa Sep 2018 #23
Maybe if he is a Feringi McCamy Taylor Sep 2018 #24
Prosperity Gospel. God obviously wants this man to be rich. Replaces dusty outdated New Testament. Midnight Writer Sep 2018 #25
If god existed.... SergeStorms Sep 2018 #27
WTF? SergeStorms Sep 2018 #26
Above you in this thread is a fantastic idea that Sen. Eliz. Warren has PatrickforO Sep 2018 #38
He doesn't know the definition of moral. SamKnause Sep 2018 #29
We need to return to a society that heals people. truthisfreedom Sep 2018 #30
No other country would put up with this madness! area51 Sep 2018 #31
In 1970, Milton Friedman wrote an op-ed for the New York Times Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2018 #32
That's why government oversight and regulation is essential. yardwork Sep 2018 #33
As we've seen before under the kgop duforsure Sep 2018 #35
"I agree with Martin Shkreli..." Eugene Sep 2018 #39

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
1. Moral...he uses that word, but I don't think he knows what it means....
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:36 PM
Sep 2018

Blessed are those who become rich off the backs of the poor....yeah, which verse is that again?

Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
34. Nostrum...he uses that word, but I don't think he knows what it means....
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:46 AM
Sep 2018

": a medicine of secret composition recommended by its preparer but usually without scientific proof of its effectiveness

: a usually questionable remedy or scheme"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nostrum

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
3. Just saw a program on how hospitals raise medications 1000% ! They blame that on the poor.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:38 PM
Sep 2018

Yeah, to cover those who can't pay. Yeah, like it doesn't cover the CEOs and top administrators bottom line GREED!

Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
28. Not so fast, there. He might hope they will linger until they are totally bankrupt!
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:51 AM
Sep 2018


Nirmal Mulye, and Mini-Nirmal.

enough

(13,255 posts)
7. Someone has now perfectly explained the Trump/Republican worldview.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:43 PM
Sep 2018

A moral requirement to make money when you can.

alwaysinasnit

(5,059 posts)
9. Medicare Part D, when enacted by Republicans, specifically prohibited the federal government
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:57 PM
Sep 2018

from negotiating drug prices.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/drug-industry-pharmaceutical-lobbyists-medicare-part-d-prices/

This led to pretty much a free-for-all on gouging consumers by pharmaceutical companies.

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
14. He is partly right...
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:34 PM
Sep 2018

by legal/law the purpose of a company is to increase shareholder value.
Now, define value and does increase have a limit.

On the hospital profit.
All but 2 around me are part of Christus Spohn, the Catholic Church.

They are "non-profit" so I guess the "donate" lots of gold leaf to the Vatican.

We need health care for all like the rest of the modern world.

Easily done. FIETS [ Federal Ingress Egress Tax System]
[ As the Constitution reads "equality for all" ]

2% transfer fee on funds transfer into a bank account and 2% when transfered out.
$5 Trillion per day go through the banking system.
So, the Federal Budget get about $24 Trillion per year. [2018 is 3.8 estimated to end at 4.2 deficit]
See what happens then the rich pay their fair share of taxation.
McMansion 2% on seller and 2% on buyer for $20,000,000 sale that is $400,000 each.
Want the economy VW Beetle for $20,000 that is $400 each for Uncle Sam.
Loaf of bread at grocery for $1 that is $0.02 each.

Now, that a REAL TAX REFUND, you make $50,000 and spend it all that is $2,000 [1k in and 1k out] for your taxes.
Oh, if you move in and out of a savings account no fees.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
16. Non profit hospitals are required to reinvest any surplus back into the systen
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:26 PM
Sep 2018

Further, they may be not for profit rather than non profit. Further further, after 22 years working in healthcare (mostly in not for profit organizations) I would bet they operate in the red. Most do. Now that is entirely dependent on the location, whether or not they are education centers (med students and recidency) and if they are part of a healthcare system. The last one is probably the most important indicator because large orgs like partners in massachusetts have tremendous influence. They negotiate better rates from payers because of their substantial provider and service offerings. It impacts competition and forces groups to join or die due to loss of patient volume and lower rates.

It's true that some not for profit hospitals do operate in the black but it's been my experience that it is relatively uncommon. Catholic hospitals despite arguments against typically fall in the "red" category.

Staph

(6,251 posts)
18. The corporation name is sooooooo appropriate!
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:50 PM
Sep 2018

From the Oxford Living Dictionaries (online):

Nostrum -- A medicine prepared by an unqualified person, especially one that is not considered effective.



Who gives their company that kind of name?


PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
37. Yes, we all need to find out more about this Act and how we can support
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:14 AM
Sep 2018

it. It would be nice if Warren circulated a petition. I'd sure as heck sign.

knightmaar

(748 posts)
21. I'm sure that was right in the bible
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:09 PM
Sep 2018

Paul's letter to the Douchebags, I think.

Dbag 11:1
Thou shalt charge as much as the market shall bear, even that some may perish for lack of medicine.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
23. War on women.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:19 PM
Sep 2018

It is usually women with lower UTIs because of the shorter urethra. This price hike hurts them and their insurers disproportionately.

Can they jack up the price of Viagra because men will pay exorbitant rates for sex?

SergeStorms

(19,186 posts)
26. WTF?
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:31 AM
Sep 2018
If that's an example of your "morals", I'd hate to see what your debauchery is like! Piece of shit pharmaceutical companies. We need Democrats in office that are going to take on these stinking crooks. I think our government has a "moral" obligation to slap as many regulations on those bastards as is humanly poaaible. Let them get a taste of our "morals".

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
38. Above you in this thread is a fantastic idea that Sen. Eliz. Warren has
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:26 AM
Sep 2018

It's called The Accountable Capitalism Act, and would solve many, many of these problems. Yes, we'd still need a strong regulatory structure, but this would be a great help in turning the moral compass of this nation back toward the North Star.

Here's a link. https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/17683022/elizabeth-warren-accountable-capitalism-corporations

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
29. He doesn't know the definition of moral.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:41 AM
Sep 2018

Maybe he is part of the rising Prosperity Gospel movement.

They have fully infested the Trump White House.

The movement worships money and power.

Morality has no place in their beliefs.

Their vision for the U.S. and the world is a Prosperity Gospel theocracy controlled by corporations.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
32. In 1970, Milton Friedman wrote an op-ed for the New York Times
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:19 AM
Sep 2018

In which he is reputed to have said, "There is one and only one social responsibility of business — to increase its profits".

Actually, that is just part of what he wrote, the full quote is "There is one and only one social responsibility of business — to use it resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Now, that is a considerably more nuanced statement. However, the truncated form is what has become the gospel of American business.

yardwork

(61,538 posts)
33. That's why government oversight and regulation is essential.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:40 AM
Sep 2018

And that's why wealthy Republicans don't want givernment oversight and regulation. They've used their considerable wealth to convince many non-wealthy people to go along with this.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
35. As we've seen before under the kgop
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:51 AM
Sep 2018

Pharma profits jump , and under W they increased 400% too. Again the opposite of what trump claimed he'd do. How can anyone vote KGOP when they'll do this over and over again , and just like with energy costs, that also skyrocketed upward under the kgop and trump . Health care insurance, health care costs, all tariff products , and many more things driving prices up now.

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