Hillary Clinton: You 'cannot be civil' with Republicans, Democrats need to be 'tougher'

[LovingA2andMI]

Source: USA Today

WASHINGTON – Hillary Clinton says the time for civility is over.

After the bitter and partisan fight over the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the former secretary of State and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate declared that President Donald Trump has undermined the integrity of the nation's highest court and that it's time for Democrats to be "tougher" with their opponents, in an interview with CNN published Tuesday

"You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about," Clinton told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "That's why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again."

Clinton said that Senate Republicans under Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., "demeaned the confirmation process" and "insulted and attacked" Christine Blasey Ford – who testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee about a sexual assault she alleges Kavanaugh committed in 1982 – along with other "women who were speaking out."

Clinton compared the handling of Kavanaugh's confirmation to "Republican operatives shutting down the voting in 2000," the "swift-boating of John Kerry," attacks on former Arizona Sen. John McCain in the 2000 Republican primary and "what they did to me for 25 years."

"When you're dealing with an ideological party that is driven by the lust for power, that is funded by corporate interests who want a government that does its bidding, you can be civil but you can't overcome what they intend to do unless you win elections," she told Amanpour.

Clinton compared Kavanaugh's swearing-in ceremony at the White House on Monday to a "political rally" that "further undermined the image and integrity of the court."

She told Amanpour the effect on the court "troubles" and "saddens" her "because our judicial system has been viewed as one of the main pillars of our constitutional government."

"But the President's been true to form," Clinton added. "He has insulted, attacked, demeaned women throughout the campaign – really for many years leading up to the campaign. And he's continued to do that inside the White House."

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/09/hillary-clinton-cnn-interview/1578636002/

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SHE 1000% RIGHT. This...Is....War until we gain the POWER BACK!

[Power 2 the People]

1. Before AND after

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Enough with being civil to animals.

(Edited to show more respect to animals) - Enough with being civil to Republicans.

[OhNo-Really]

9. I reject your words 100%

[lagomorph777]

28. I can be civil to animals, but not to monsters.

My dog deserves civility. Russiapublicans deserve to be ground to dust.

[oneshooter]

41. Are you advocating for and/or calling for violence ?

[Power 2 the People]

44. Absolutely not.

The OP stated "SHE 1000% RIGHT. This...Is....War until we gain the POWER BACK!"

I say the war against these Republican SOBs must continue AFTER we win back power also. We must stomp out all of their dishonesty and greedy accomplishments of the last 30 years. They declared war on the middle class,working class and the poor starting with Reagan. Up to this point they have succeeded. It's time to turn the tables and not take our foot off the gas until the right wing fraud is totally exposed and the power is returned to the people,not the corporations.

The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[LiberalLovinLug]

47. You are 100% right!!

Hillary is only half right.
"if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again."

What?? Has she learned nothing? If she thinks Republicans are going to suddenly change their spots ESPECIALLY if they see their power slipping if they do lose the House, Ill have what she's having. Democrats should immediately re-start a more thorough investigation of Kavanaugh, as Jerrold Nadler is suggesting. Which may bring up enough to impeach or even cause him to be disbarred. And THAT kind of action will not be seen as "civil" to Republicans.

Trumpism is not going to go away. Trump himself will be perpetually tweeting and rallying his followers. His cult will continue. InfoWars will continue. Stormfront will continue. Lies and phony conspiracy theories will continue. Fox News will continue.

None of those things will stop and suddenly play by "civil" rules.

Not only is this a terrible message for Democratic politicians, but for the average rank and file. It is a part of the problem we have already. That one part victory, (Obama as President) means we can all relax and hope civility is enough to defeat a rising, huge monster who is only going to get bigger and more powerful with even more conservative media monopolies like Sinclair taking over our airwaves.

[Power 2 the People]

48. +1000

Wow! Powerful stuff LLL.

[Chickensoup]

55. What is " are u advocating for violence shit"

The choices are not violence or resisting
Through submission. The idea that love your
enemy so they me see the light it all
depends on the level of darkness .
you will never win over nazis through love,
they will laugh while finishing us.
We must vote ,march, strike, revolt
because the threat is so real and existential
that we have no choice.

[LovingA2andMI]

59. So....this is were you take this...

Maybe you should read this to know what this type of WAR is like....

Yes, Brett Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court. Rue the day. Rend your garments.

Then, step back, view the entirety of the battle in which you are engaged, and understand that Kavanaugh is just one part of a much larger plan by conservatives to fundamentally change the American political structure so that it enshrines and protects white male power even after America’s changing demographics and mores move away from that power.

This, for them, is not simply a game about political passion and political principles. This is a game of power, pure and simple, and it’s about whether the people who have long held that power will be able to retain it.

For them, Trump is just a useful idiot, a temporary anomaly.

They are thinking generationally, not in terms of the next election cycle but in terms of the next epoch.

Liberals can get so high-minded that they lose sight of the ground war. Yes, next month it is important to prove to the rest of Americans, and indeed the world, that Trump and the Republicans who promote and protect him are at odds with American values and with the American majority.

On one level this would provide relief and release for a pent-up demand by most Americans to be heard and to calm some of the chaos. But, catharsis is an emotional response and an emotional remedy.

Liberals have to look beyond emotions, beyond reactionary electoral enthusiasm, beyond needing to fall in love with candidates in order to vote for them, beyond the coming election and toward the coming showdown.

Any Supreme Court confirmation is transformative. This is a court that is often equally divided. At the end of the day, I think what’s really important to remember is that there’s been a movement on the court toward being more originalist and textualist. In other words, the idea that law means something, it has determinate meaning. And that’s the trend that I think this president wants to continue.

But, when I think of originalism, I think this: Many of the founders owned slaves; in the Constitution they viewed black people as less than fully human; they didn’t want women or poor white men to vote. The founders, a bunch of rich, powerful white men, didn’t want true democracy in this country, and in fact were dreadfully afraid of it.

Now, a bunch of rich, powerful white men want to return us to this sensibility, wrapped in a populist “follow the Constitution” rallying cry and disguised as the ultimate form of patriotism.

We have to learn to see everything around us, all that is happening on the political front, through that lens. This is what the extreme measures on illegal immigration and even the efforts to dramatically slash legal immigration are all about.

Catch Up More Here: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court.html

[Beartracks]

62. Wow, thanks for this post! So true. n/t

[Beartracks]

61. Lack of civility / violence. n/t

[niyad]

45. that is an insult to animals, who do NOT behave like the pukes.

[Power 2 the People]

46. LOL. True

I'll have to edit my post to show the superiority of animals to Republicans.

[gopiscrap]

53. I totally agree

[dalton99a]

2. Be bold. Be direct. Be ruthless. Hit hard.

And never, ever apologize to a Republican.

[blue-wave]

3. Thank You Again, Hillary

You continue to fight for us. Just like a true patriot and real President.

[SunSeeker]

4. As always, Hillary speaks the truth. nt

[C Moon]

5. We gotta go back to the early labor union days of the Democratic Party.

[brush]

6. Agreed. This is what Avenatti has been saying.

[Pachamama]

12. +1000

Exactly - I have been in complete agreement on this and am so glad to hear her now agreeing too....

[Honeycombe8]

7. The leaders, and us, need to be bold, outspoken, respond like with like...up to a point.

I think it helps to act like a normal person. Enthusiastic, angry, but not yelling. If Repubs keep pushing their talking point "mob rule! Mob rule!," we should respond by saying Trump is the ultimate mob boss, requiring pledges of loyalty, authoritarianism, acting more like a dictator than a President, surrounded by his "family." But not yell like Lindsey Graham.

I'm thinking people are looking for normal people, tired of all the exhausting lies and drama. People who actually are interested in governing and not just looking to use the government to enrich themselves. Drain the swamp!

[OhNo-Really]

10. I agree. Words are powerful. We have to be the press

[Volaris]

8. And even then I'm not sure I really want to be nice to them

[nycbos]

11. Deal with them like this

[Power 2 the People]

18. Yes Yes Yes

It's time to start winning.

[elmac]

14. Finally the party gets it, something that should have been apparent decades ago

thank you Madame President, you are the only president I recognize.

[calimary]

15. She's right. As usual.

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I. Am. STILL. With. HER.

[roamer65]

16. It's war even after we gain power again.

They are going to obstruct and fight even harder. We need to be firm and unwavering when we take power.

First thing we do is kill the filibuster completely. GONE. Second we stack the SCOTUS with 13 justices.

[7962]

21. Although tempting, I dont agree with increasing the size of the court.

It would be painted as "sore losers" and might end up tossing the Congress right back to the right. Remember the majority of voters consider themselves independent. They may view an attempt to increase the number of judges as just a cheap way around.
Plus, has anyone actually polled the Democrats in Congress to see what they think of it?
It doesnt require a 2/3 vote, so its not out of the question.
Then again, the GOP could do the same thing and what would we say?

[LiberalLovinLug]

49. I think if it is explained properly, most would side with that decision

How the Republicans stole two seats. That they were only making up for, and balancing the court to closer to what it should have been. (Actually it would have been a majority of D appointed)

But you are right, no way because it means a 2/3 vote. Not to mention the lack of an appetite for fighting "dirty" by top Democrats.

[David__77]

30. The filibuster should go.

Getting rid of it would help much over the long run.

[certainot]

17. the first part of offense on cons is rw radio because it's the

only medium they completely own - so it's the best point for offense

Artificial intelligence will force ad industry to kill RW radio. Dems can accelerate the process.

[certainot]

19. reading some of the other comments, we're doomed

the only advantage these cons have is RW radio. every other medium is challenged and the right has convinced the idiot left that 95% of the americans that listen to talk radio prefer RW talk radio - they just love the lies and ignorance and hate

limbaugh just kicked the crap out of dr ford the way he did anita hill and the left is too fucking stupid and music-centric to recognize it - 30 years later it's exactly the same

dear left, respectfully, you're a fucking idiot

[Fatemah2774]

39. Bring back the Fairness Doctrine

Allowing equal opportunity and time to different viewpoints.

Bingo RW radio and Fox news will be challenged and maybe even stifled

Hillary is right...we can disagree but we must agree on fighting back and I say with more vigor and tenacity than in years past.

Just my thoughts IMHO

[certainot]

60. hillary mentioned "vast rw conspiracy" and was right. obama mentioned talk radio

several times but democrats did not pick up the batons. in general they got trolled by the right suggesting hillary was nuts, and obama couldn't get any traction vs limbaugh, considered to be a radio clown -instead of the most effective political voice the last 30 years

the left collectively cannot say it got their backs, nor anita hill's nor blasey ford's

artificial intelligence makes digitizing what the talk radio propaganda operation much easier and cheaper and guarantees its eventual death, but dems could speed that up with sandra fluke x 100

[SkatmanRoth]

20. I am still disappointed with the outcome from 2009

We were in complete control with the Republicans on the down hill slope to irrelevance. But our Congressional leaders saw fit to let the Republicans slide out of the noose, and 'pubs lied, cheated, and stole their way back to power.

Never again! When we regain control of Government, (and we will) we have to put our boot heel on the throat of the opposition and choke them out.

[The Liberal Lion]

24. You are right on the money

For as much as I love Bam, one his biggest errors while President was his continual search for middle ground with the GOP. Basically we had the GOP with their mouths on the curb, and we (as represented by our chosen representatives) refused to stomp. Instead we helped them up, brushed them off, welcomed them to the table, and for our efforts we got a punch in the mouth. Now, there is no longer any room for compromise, as compromise means capitulation of morality.

[Baitball Blogger]

22. There is no reason to be civil. They lost the high ground.

[The Liberal Lion]

23. Auntie Maxine said it first!

Maybe we should have listed to Maxine Waters the first time when she essentially said the same thing Clinton says in the article. Will Nancy (Pelosi) rebuke Hillary as she did Auntie Maxine? It's time Nancy got with it or got out of the way.

[FreepFryer]

25. Turning this into an attack on Pelosi? Waters is a Rep in Pelosi's D caucus, Clinton is not. (n/t)

[The Liberal Lion]

27. Nancy has done a wonderful job for the Democratic Party

and has been instrumental for the advancement of the liberal/progressive agenda. These things I praise her for. However, she is not the right leader for these times. She should have never tried to quiet down Maxine Waters. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

[FreepFryer]

32. I am solidly behind both women and Pelosi wasn't mentioned, not sure why you invoked her at all. nt

[LiberalLovinLug]

50. +1000

[Nitram]

26. Word!

[bronxiteforever]

29. Learn from their majority LEADER.

To win, do to them as McConnell did to us.

[exboyfil]

31. When the President and AG

are leading chants to lock political opponents in jail, then what sort of civility can you have.

Seems like it is burn the house down time.

[sarcasmo]

33. They go low, we fight back.

[dajoki]

34. Even when we get the power back n/t

[henbuck]

35. Then why didn't she tell Trump to back off

When he hovered over her during the debates.

[Paladin]

36. We're on to you, Comrade. (nt)

[apnu]

37. She's right, but her campaign didn't punch up this issue.

The Republicans were aware of the SCOTUS issue, they held Scalia's seat open for over 400 days and the Democrats did nothing about it.

They didn't hammer that theft as a campaign issue, they didn't call out the GOP for its gross misconduct. I know they didn't have the votes in the Senate, but this wasn't a big issue in 2016. It was more like a smaller line item at a campaign stop.

There were a lot of mistakes made in 2016, this is but one of them.

[BigDemVoter]

38. Excellent point.

That is the Dems BIGGEST error. . . Repigs don't fight fair and never have. They lie and fight dirty. It's goddamned time Dems quit trying to be nice and start bringing a gun to a knife fight instead of a fucking spoon.

[maxrandb]

40. My God! Even Hillary still doesn't get it

This line right here is complete and total bullshit!

Clinton told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "That's why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again."

I'm sorry madam president, but that is wrong. If we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when "an eye for a fucking eye" needs to "start".

I don't want Democrats to be civil until we've carved out the entire Donnie Fungus Dick misadministration with a chainsaw!

I don't want to be civil, until we've buried Retrumplicanism 100 feet below 40 foot steel reinforced concrete and have salted the ground above.

I don't want to be civil until fucking Russian traitors are serving life sentences in Leavenworth.

I don't want to be civil until I can turn on my radio and NOT HEAR ONE SINGLE FUCKING REICH WING TALKER SPEWING RACIST HATEFUL SHIT OUT OF MY SPEAKERS

I don't want to be civil until we've stomped out every reich wing nut job at the FBI and the Justice Department, and added six more justices to the Supreme Court, and I mean Justices that will cause Lindsey Graham to have a fatal attack of the "vapors".

I don't want to be civil until we've ridden our courts OF EVERY GOD DAMNED FEDERALIST SOCIETY FUCKTWIT.

I don't want to win another "majority" and then listen to dumbfucks in the MSM tell me that it's "time to heal". We win the House and Senate, it's NOT a time for "civility"...it's a time for vengeance!

[Paladin]

42. I'm with you. None of this goody-two-shoes behavior, not for a long time.

Democrats need to bring knives to political knife fights. We need to get even, against some genuinely evil people. When our country is secure again, we can play nice. That's a long way down the road.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. Me Three

"Can't be civil", while correct is filed under "Well, duh!"
When they feel the other side of the shoe, maybe then civility can be restored. But, they need to feel the boot FIRST>

[LiberalLovinLug]

54. +10,000

[Maxheader]

51. Thanks hillary...

I've said it many times and many ways...But you do it best..

[gopiscrap]

52. Jesus fucking Christ I have been syaing this since 1980

all republicans are shit stain scum who need to crawl in a hole

[samnsara]

56. YES!!!! to Madam President!!!

[BeckyDem]

57. Operative observation: demeaned women for many years leading up to the campaign.

The press thought he was cool, he was THE DONALD. He was always a piece of shit, unfit to serve.


If you listened to the interview, Hillary is not suggesting his opponents sound like Trump imo. It is more about direct confrontations, prepare for them and then deliver.

[Initech]

58. After some of the shit I've seen on her twitter feed I agree!

No being civil with these assholes.

[Rizen]

63. Absolutely.

Republicans waged a war on women and betrayed the country.